I’ve been thinking about converting to Catholicism but I’m still on the fence.
Should I? Shouldn’t I?
What are some of the most compelling arguments for and against?
Also could a Catholic please tell me how Ex Cathedra isn’t cope? That’s the part I’m most cynical about…
The israelite on the cross is the ultimate virtue signaling, guilt inducing for bad goyim symbol.
If you have a brain you'll see how Catholicism is the worst form of the worst kind of religion.
This. I’ve got a tradcath roommate, and you can’t have an honest conversation with the guy without him waxing on and on about his narrow and chauvinistic worldview.
If you do, convert to Sedevacantist Catholicism and reject all forms of modernism. Remember the modernists were even running rampant before Vatican II.
Right now there is no pope and no ordinary jurisdiction of bishops but there are sacramental Bishops and priests who produce the true eucharist. The modernists have been infiltrating the Vatican for a long time and have been changing things. Even the TLM indult does not have valid priests or bishops and their eucharist is merely bread. The Latin rites of ordination and consecration changed in the 60s.
Hello Peter Dimond
Brother Peter Dimond slaughtered Cassman in the debate. Let's not kid ourselves.
according to peter dimond it's impossible to convert to catholicism since there are no valid priests to administer the sacraments.
Sounds like the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic Church to me.
Do your own research into it because the thing with religion is tricky. Sheep just kind of follow the herd without doing research into religions the different sects all that shit. Like
has a good point where if you don't do all your research it could just be a shitshow. As I feel religion is used to justify things that it shouldn't, I mean just look at the Mega churches and shit.
you need to see a psychiatrist and get tested for autism.
Stop asking for fricking life advice on IQfy.
Get a fricking job.
Get a girl.
And shut the frick up.
Catholicism is just the Roman Empire taking over a religion that it saw as a threat and changing it into something it could use. Go with Greek Orthodox.
>Go with Greek Orthodox.
How is this any better kek? It's literally just old offshoot with slightly better legitimacy than the early Protestant denominations.
This is the reason why one should be a Catholic over other israelitetroon sects.
It may take years for you to properly discern your course ahead. Once you're ready, just call your local parish and ask about RCIA. In my case, I have had nothing but supportive people in RCIA and among other converts. Some cradle catholics though don't really get it though. For example, when I first contacted my parish, the woman running the offices bluntly informed me I was 2 months late to start RCIA. I still got the teacher's number and the moment I spoke to him everything went smoothly from there.
To be blunt, if you want to be Christian, you *should* want to be fully Christian. There are few churches that hold to this, and of those, Rome has the most direct, historically consistent, and valid claim to leadership. Everything else, while filled with people of often equal fervor, is derivative.
The existence of the Patriarchate of Constantinople and the makeup of the Orthodox Church is literally the unilateral invention of the Roman state lol. Typical Orthodox just lying about history.
Agreed. You should believe the basics of Christ's death and resurrection at the very least or you're just converting for aesthetics. Get a Catechism and start reading to learn more. It is the complete Christianity.
Mere Christianity is exactly what its title describes, a theological primer. Read it but don't stop reading theology once you've read it. C.S. Lewis never intended it to be more than an introduction so I never understood lay protestants who seem to treat it as the whole of their theology.
If you "don't like" something I would study that specific issue in detail because it's entirely possible it was explained poorly.
It's repudiated by morons online who eat up every headline about the Pope and have never read the Catechism.
Correct.
The only people who convert used to be monarchs for political reasons. Do It if you like, but It doesn't carry any meaning as religions are fairy tales for ignorant cattle.
>Should I?
Yes
>Shouldn’t I?
No
IQfy is the worst possible place to be asking that question anon. Speak to a priest, an old priest preferably.
I don’t think op getting sexually assaulted will be good for him anon.
Shinto
It's the Church founded by Jesus Christ and his Apostles. If you want the fullness of faith, you pretty much have to become Catholic. It won't be easy though. You will lose a lot of friends and possibly family as well. You really have to feel something in your heart to convert, I would not convert because you think it's "based" or whatever else, it's a life changing commitment to make. I personally became obsessed with the Sacraments and praying, being able to go to Mass daily, and reading about the Saints. Things like Lectio Divina also changed the way I read the Bible completely and wish I knew about it years ago. The conversion process became easy because I had a lot of strong support from my local Church, the priest actually preached hard against sin and gave good homilies, and I had a very strong instruction during RCIA and other sessions. It was like everything that was missing from my prior understanding of Christianity got filled up during my conversion process.
Anyway, my advice would be to go to your local Church and talk to someone. You can go down a million rabbit holes reading about faith online and you can waste a lot of time.
Autistic people are almost always Atheist because of their overtly logical brain and can't accept the idea of faith, so I don't get your meme.
>I personally became obsessed with the Sacraments and praying, being able to go to Mass daily, and reading about the Saints.
Anon, I...
I don't see how that has anything to do with autism. Should I have been playing video games and watching porn during my conversion instead? Other religious groups pray excessively or remember entire parts of their scriptures. Are they all autistic too?
>obsession
>daily routine
>all for wanting to believe in mystical ridiculousness
Wanting to believe? It's not wanting, I literally do believe. It's pretty funny seeing you seethe this much, that someone like me can just enjoy a spiritual life and offer advice to others. I know Muslims as well who do their 5 daily prayers and tons of other "autistic" stuff, even though they have wives and large families and live totally normal lives. I think you need to go offline for once, bud. I'll pray for you.
>It's pretty funny seeing you seethe this much
Kek! Seething? Not even in the slightest, anon! This is hilarious!
>I'll pray for you.
Enjoy wasting your time.
>It's not wanting, I literally do believe
You literally subconsciously reinforce the desire to believe by rehearsing the rituals which make you convince yourself into believing. It's plainly lying to yourself over and over to a point where you actually believe it - a well documented psychological phenomenon. Same reason you people go out and preach and try to convince susceptible fools into falling for it: you get to thus convince yourself that it must be believable, because someone else is also able to fall for it.
>You literally subconsciously reinforce the desire to believe by rehearsing the rituals which make you convince yourself into believing
I don't think of it like this at all. I think you're way overcomplicating what it means to just have faith. Praying and doing spiritual activities is just a result of my already existing faith & belief. I never have done them to 'reinforce' anything because my faith was already there.
>I never have done them to 'reinforce' anything because my faith was already there
You have lied to yourself so much that you do actually believe it. Pathetic, really. You'd be doing the exact same thing if you were born in Japan prior to the introduction of 1600s, in Sweden prior to the 1000s, or if you were born in Mesopotamia 8000 years ago, but this one - this particular strain of religiousness known as Catholicism - this one is right and correct because of the coincidence that you of all people just happen to believe in it? Yeah, ok anon.
Oh my basedence! There have been 3000 gods! So Epic and true and valid!
Hahaha I have autism too and I’ve been thinking about Catholicism. I was baptised as an Anglican but I’ve been sympathetic to catholic theology. The other day I actually read the 39 articles and disagreed with a lot of what they have to say. Might convert after I’ve finished my degree and settled down idk
Anon, here is the best advice,
Read mere christianity by cs lewis
Catholics believe that the universe is the creation, and the exclusive dominion, of an infinitely powerful Spirit Being, called God, because the evidence which points to that conclusion is so overwhelming that there is not room left for even the slightest vestige of doubt. First, there is the evidence of logic. Through the process of simple mathematical-type reasoning, man inevitably comes face to face with certain indisputable principles: Everything has a cause; nothing can bring itself into existence. Obviously there is a long chain of causes in the universe, but ultimately there must be a first cause, and uncaused cause. This uncaused cause we call "God." (The theory of evolution, even if it could be proved, would not explain the origin of anything; evolution simply deals with what may have happened after matter came into existence.) Further, 1) personal creation (man) presupposes a superior Personal Creator, 2) universal order presupposes a Universal Orderer, 3) cosmic energy presupposes a Cosmic Energizer, 4) natural law presupposes a Universal Law Maker. Basic principles of reason such as these explain why so many of the world's leading scientists are firm believers in God.
There is the evidence of divine revelation, on countless occasions God has revealed Himself by voice, vision and apparition (by means which are receptive to the human senses), and demonstrated His Omnipotence by stupendous, obviously supernatural miracles. Many of these revelations are a matter of authenticated historical record. The Scriptures, for example, are full of such accounts; and in modern times the world has been witness to such Heaven-sent miracles as those at Fatima, Lourdes, and St. Anne de Beaupré in Quebec, Canada, where the cured have left a forest of crutches in testimony. (The Lourdes Medical Bureau is open for examination by any doctor.) In addition, there is the liquefaction of the blood of St. Januarius which still takes place in Naples each year on September 19, his feast day; the incorruption of the bodies of many Catholic saints (such as St. Bernadette, who died in 1879); and the miraculous Eucharistic Host of Lanciano, Italy, which has been scientifically proven to be human flesh and human blood, type AB, to mention only a few of the miracles still on-going in the 20th century, which point to the existence of a God. there is the evidence of human intuition. Psychologists have long known that every human being, the atheist included-intuitively seeks God's help in times of great calamity, and instinctively pleads for God's mercy when death is imminent. Hence the renowned Voltaire, who was so eloquent in his denial of God while he enjoyed health and fortune, repudiated all of his atheistic writings on his deathbed and frantically sought the ministrations of a Catholic priest. Nikolai Lenin, as he lay on his deathbed, looked around him and frantically asked pardon of the tables and chairs in the room. For as hunger for food proclaims the existence of food, man's intuitive hunger for God proclaims the Reality, the Omnipotence and the Justice of God. Catholic belief in God, therefore, is purely and simply an expression of intellectual sanity.
Catholics believe there is one God consisting of three distinct and equal divine Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, because on numerous occasions God has described Himself thus. The Old Testament gives intimations that there are more than one Person in God. In Genesis 1:26, God says, "Let us make man to our image and likeness." In Isaias 9:6-7, God the Father revealed the imminent coming into the world of God the Son. In Psalms 2:7, we read, "The Lord hath said to me: Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee." And in the New Testament, God reveals this doctrine even more clearly. For example, at the baptism of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit appeared in the form of a dove, and the voice of God the Father was heard: "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matt. 3:16-17). In Matthew 28:19, God the Son commanded the Apostles to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." And in 1 Cor. 12:4-6, the Bible refers to God with three names: Spirit, Lord, and God-corresponding to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Three divine Persons in one Godhead may be incomprehensible to the human mind, but that is to be expected. How can man fully comprehend God's infinite make-up when he cannot fully comprehend his own finite make-up? We have to take God's word for it. Also, we can satisfy ourselves as to the feasibility of God's triune make-up by considering various other triune realities. The triangle, for example, is one distinct form with three distinct and equal sides. And the clover leaf is one leaf with three distinct and equal petals. There are many physical trinities on earth, therefore a Spiritual Trinity, who is God in Heaven, is not against human reason, it is simply above human reason.
Catholics believe that Jesus was God the Son, incarnate in human flesh, firstly because God's physical manifestation on earth, plus all the circumstances of that manifestation, were prophesied time and again in Divine Revelation, and Jesus fulfilled that prophecy right to the letter; secondly, because He claimed that He was God (John 10:30, 14:-10 and numerous other passages), and He never deceived anyone; thirdly, because He proved His divinity by His impeccable holiness and the flawless perfection of His doctrine; fourthly, because only God could have performed the miracles He performed, miracles such as walking on the sea, feeding five thousand people with five loves of bread and two fish, and, after His death on the Cross, resurrecting Himself from His own tomb; fifthly, because only God could have, in the brief space of three years, without military conquest, without political power, without writing a single line or traveling more than a few score miles, so profoundly affected the course of human events; sixthly, because only God can instill in the soul of man the grace and the peace and the assurance of eternal salvation that Jesus instills.
Catholics believe that theirs is the one true Church of Jesus Christ, firstly, because theirs is the only Christian Church that goes back in history to the time of Christ; secondly, because theirs is the only Christian Church which possesses the invincible unity, the intrinsic holiness, the continual universality and the indisputable apostolicity which Christ said would distinguish His true Church; and thirdly, because the Apostles and primitive Church Fathers, who certainly were members of Christ's true Church, all professed membership in the same Catholic Church (See Apostles' Creed and the Primitive Christian letters). Wrote Ignatius of Antioch, illustrious Church Father of the first century: "Where the bishop is, there let the multitude of believers be, even as where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church." Our Lord said: "There shall be one fold and one shepherd, yet it is well know that the various Christian denominations cannot agree on what Christ actually taught. Since Christ roundly condemned inter-denominationalism, that house cannot stand." (Mark 3:25), Catholics cannot believe that He would even sanction it in His Church. Why do Catholics refuse to concede that their church became doctrinally corrupt in the Middle Ages, necessitating the Protestant Reformation?
Inquire about RCIA at your local church and attend that. You can ask all the questions you want there, and if you don't like the answers or the instruction they give, it's not like you commit to anything, you can just stop going.
Catholics refuse to concede such a thing out of faith in Jesus Christ. Christ solemnly pledged that the gates of Hell would never prevail against His Church (Matt. 16:18), and He solemnly promised that after His ascension into Heaven He would send His Church "another Paraclete...the spirit of truth," to dwell with it forever (John 14:16-17), and He inspired the Apostle Paul to describe His Church as "the pillar and ground of the truth." (1 Tim. 3:15). If the Catholic Church (which Protestants admit was the true Church of Jesus Christ before Luther's revolt) became doctrinal corrupt as alleged, it would mean that the gates of Hell had prevailed against it, it would mean that Christ had deceived His followers. Believing Christ to be the very essence of truth and integrity, Catholics cannot see how the division of Christianity into hundreds of rival camps and doctrinal variations can be called a "reformation" of the Christian Church. In the Catholic mind, hundreds of conflicting interpretations of Christ's teachings do not add up to a true interpretation of Christ's teachings.
If the basis of Catholic doctrine stems from the authority of the church through ecumenical councils, then how come Vatican II is so repudiated? One might think that a rejection of Vatican II delegitimizes the previous councils, no? And if the councils are illegitimate, what stops me from being an Arian?
Genuine question btw
Ex cathedra only applies as a last resort tie breaker. All the mechanisms of settling a question have been exhausted and only the pope can make the call. Imagine a case that goes all the way up to the supreme court and even they can’t agree on a ruling. In that case the pope would say what is the right thing to do inspired by the holy spirit, since all earthly institutions are incapable of doing so. That’s why the orthodox stay in perpetual fracture. They can’t have a final word on some things.
don't bother anon, you can't argue your way into it. you have to be crazy to be religious it has to be bound inside you somehow because it's inherently irrational. you are fighting an uphill battle trying to force it on yourslef.
>pros
-you can participate in a cult that rapes kids
-feeling of moral superiority
>cons
-you go to hell
if that seems good to you then yeah roman catholicism is for you
Ex Cathedra is dramatically more narrowly defined than its critics make it out to be. There are incredibly few documents produced by the Pope that are absolutely Ex Cathedra.
It doesn't mean that if the pope stabs someone to death that his action was automatically justified because he is "infallible."
I would say reach out to converts online if you can since they will be supportive.
Don't do it. Christianity is extremely if not the best tool in the israelites' kit for subversion. Reject Abrahamism. Reject all slave morality (this includes Marxism as well). My fricking race is in grave danger and Christianity offers no solutions. I couldn't in good conscience remain faithful to it, and the level of mental gymnastics Christians on the internet go through is unfathomable.
Christians on the internet change their faith like they change their underwear
Have you tried attending some Catholic services? That seems like a good place to start.
Best argument for against is that there's no reason to believe any of it and nobody here will be able to pose one
Positive (if you're coming from a Protestant background): you won't have to listen to reformed guys whining about people celebrating Christmas
Negative: You'll have to subject yourself to countless arguments over which papal statement is authoritative and which papal statement is not authoritative.
>Negative: You'll have to subject yourself to countless arguments over which papal statement is authoritative and which papal statement is not authoritative.
No you won't. I've literally never done this. You can practice peasant Catholicism, go to mass, receive the sacraments, pray, practice virtue. You don't need to be a theologian or follow church politics.
Find your nearest Latin Mass church (depending on where you live it's likely to be FSSP or ICKSP) and talk to a priest there. These questions are too important to trust to IQfy. If you're scared of going in person you can speak to a priest on the phone.
To add: I say Latin Mass not because there aren't good diocesan priests but because, ultimately, your chance of getting a devout, orthodox Catholic priest is far, far greater at a Latin Mass church.
>rootless internet addict either without a religious background or who went to church a few times a year suddenly wants to convert to Catholicism without even knowing why he wants to
Many such cases!