>Jesus is the son of god
Define specifically what "son" means in that context
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>Jesus is the son of god
>Jesus is the son of god
Define specifically what "son" means in that context
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angel + Black = white person
god + white person = super white person
is this mormonism?
male biological offspring produced by gametes from both sexes fusing together
Where exactly, in the words of rabbi Yeshua bar Yosef himself, does it be intended for this israeli preacher to be part of a pagan-god-trinity concept?
Words entirely made up by others hundreds of years later obviously doesn't count.
>Define specifically what "son" means in that context
The heir. The creation that will inherit the kingdom that God has created.
>creation
Formation
>created
Formed
God will die?
No
Will the concept of a hammer evaporate if the hammer breaks? Maybe, if the design of the hammer was flawed. The concept and the factory that made the hammer might shut down if they made bad hammers. But if there is a need, and a purpose for the hammer, then that ultimate need and purpose does not die, just because a hammer broke.
He has no human father, Mary instead being miraculously made pregnant with him by God
>He has no human father
If we say that the Father and the son are the same being. And we know that the son is 100% human. How can we say that the Father is also not 100% human?
Jesus' whole point that he often made is that he is much more than just a human, his origin is much higher.
Adam would have fit that description perfectly fine and he's as human as you can get. But anyway even if we assumed that how does that not transfer his own humanity to the Father seeing as they are the same being?
I had John 8:23 specifically in mind: "You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
Adam was made from the dust of earth, so its hard to think of someone who would better fit being "from beneath" and "of this world"!
>But anyway even if we assumed that how does that not transfer his own humanity to the Father seeing as they are the same being?
That seems like saying "if you foot is wet how can your head not be wet?"
>Adam was made from the dust of earth, so its hard to think of someone who would better fit being "from beneath" and "of this world"!
He was sent down to earth though clearly indicating he is from above. Anyways the material constructing Jesus' body is just as Adamic or otherwise he isn't fully human.
>That seems like saying "if you foot is wet how can your head not be wet?"
Partialism bro? What confines human nature to just one person?
>He was sent down to earth though
Nah Adam wasn't, what passage are you getting that from?
Indeed 1 Corinthians 15:46-49's point is that this isn't the case: "What comes first is the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later. Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man. Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man."
>Partialism bro?
Yeah just because part of you is one way doesn't mean all of you is that way
>What confines human nature to just one person?
I don't quite follow, could you rephrase the question perhaps? Every person has human nature
>what passage are you getting that from?
Genesis 3:23
>1 Corinthians 15:46-49
Read further ahead and explain to me your understanding
>"50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory."
Doesn't this just talk about us being remade into our heavenly bodies?
>Yeah just because part of you is one way doesn't mean all of you is that way
The problem you have is that Jesus is also 100% God. Also claiming God has parts is problematic for multiple reasons
>could you rephrase the question perhaps?
Divine nature is present in all the three persons of the trinity because they are the same being. But human nature is limited to only one of them?
>Genesis 3:23
That's him being expelled from Eden but Eden was on Earth. Genesis 4:16 says that the land of Nod was east of it.
In Genesis 1:28 God says to Adam and Eve (and this is before their expulsion from Eden) "fill the earth and subdue it". Genesis 2:13 says that a river flowing out of it went to Ethiopia.
And so on - there's no question that Eden was on Earth.
>Doesn't this just talk about us being remade into our heavenly bodies?
It does indeed, but I was how the specific part I quoted contrasts the natural Adam with the heavenly Jesus, i.e. Adam wasn't heavenly
>The problem you have is that Jesus is also 100% God
I don't think that terminology is actually meaningful in any useful way. What's a percentage point of God? What would something 25% or 50% or 99% God be like and how would it differ from something 100% God?
>Also claiming God has parts is problematic for multiple reasons
What would those reasons be?
Indeed for God to be omnipotent it's necessary for Him to have (or at least possess the active potential for) parts, take a look at https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SNn5QU-Py18 it proves that in less than 60 seconds
>Divine nature is present in all the three persons of the trinity because they are the same being. But human nature is limited to only one of them?
Well of course, if only one of them was a human that would be the case. This still sounds like you stepping in water and someone saying "it can't be that only your foot is wet". Part of you is wet and part of you isn't. To use your percentage points, your foot being 100% underwater doesn't mean you yourself are 100% underwater
How can Abraham be the father of nations?
It means that the white god committed adultery with the wife of Joseph and fathered Jesus in the process. Just like Zeus, another white god, committed adultery with the wife of Ixion and ended up fathering Peirithoos.
Whatever it needs to mean during any particular cope of trying to mesh contradictory theological themes
He was brought forth from God himself, not created ex nihilo (Proverbs 8:22-31; Micah 5:2; John 1:14,18; Hebrews 1:5).
That Jesus is one of the persons of the Trinity.
how is that being a son?
so the universe was carved from nothing except Jesus who was carved from God's flesh?
>the universe was carved from nothing
Created from nothing.
>Jesus who was carved
Begotten
>God's flesh
God is a Spirit (John 4:24) and does not have flesh.
>how is that being a son?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God
>son of man = man
>son of goat = goat
>son of God = God
Hope this helps
Begotten male person
god is his dad