Just finished The Odyssey. Is it weird that I read the last third as a political metaphor for modern day Europe?
Just finished The Odyssey. Is it weird that I read the last third as a political metaphor for modern day Europe?
Just finished The Odyssey. Is it weird that I read the last third as a political metaphor for modern day Europe?
Yes, stop spending so much time on /misc/. You fried your brain.
shut the frick up
shut the frick up too
(You)
*crack* *sip* it's only wierd if you see yourself as anyone other than Odysseus.
I imagined all of the wife's suitors were huge black bvlls, I think this was Homer's intent.
It is pretty weird but I'll give you a pass since the Odyssey is far enough removed from our day and age that it's not totally inappropriate to draw parallels. Still kinda weird though.
As in its prescriptive…? Who is Odysseus and who his son exactly? His wife?
The son is us. Odysseus is the personification of the old aristocratic militaristic ethos and exemplifies the strategy it needs to take in order to seize power again. The wife is the national state.
I didn't actually read the suitors as foreigners, more as the merchant globohomosexual elite that have taken control of western nations.
What strategy? Have divine aid and find an old farmer who can sneak you near to the 108 most essential people to the power structure? (I am not advocating this.)
The problem here is that it becomes very masturbatory escapism very quickly, to the point that it‘s practically an exit ramp from legitimate political organizing.
His son is telemachus you fricking moron
>Is it weird that I read the last third as a political metaphor for modern day Europe?
yes it obviously is weird/wrong, you doofus. Metaphor is far too strong a word. Applicability is closer to what you're thinking. The greatest art is perennially applicable.
You shouldnt read old books at metaphors for contemporary society you low iq homosexual. You're no better than leftist morons who would try reading Moby Dick as a metaphor for America's fear of communism during the Red Scare.
What's the best translation to read? Don't care about pinpoint accurate translation of the original text, just want something easy to read.
I read gayles because he also translated The Iliad and The Aeneid, so I can read all 3 by the same guy which I feel like gives them more consistency between them. Also he's considered easier to read compared to others but seems fairly highly regarded by critics still.
https://www.bopsecrets.org/gateway/passages/homer.htm
The feminist one is so stripped down and cringe holy shit
Peter Green's is fantastic and easy to read.
No that’s actually kinda based. It speaks of course to the Ancient Greek concepts of guest/host rights and sovereignty so you could make a connection there. Of course left wing homosexuals would b***h and moan about it and say your “appropriating the classics for exclusionary narratives!” Of course they politicise history and abuse culture to fit their ideology all the time. Overall though you should look into the philosophical, psychological and spiritual interpretations of the Odyssey over the political one.
Or you could just read it as a man trying to return home to his loved ones instead of implying your psychological nonsense onto it.
>It is just a story about a man going home and finding people there annoying his wife. Don't overthink it 🙂 and DEFINETELY DON'T recreate what happens after that!
Yes, it’s just a tale of the hero who won Troy for the Greeks. That’s all it is.
Yes exactly. And don't get inspired by it. Or form ideas around his journey and his arrival back home. Just enjoy it for what it is and don't think about what one should do if ones house had been overrun with would be usurpers.
If you had half a brain, you wouldn't need a book from 3000 years ago about some dude who never existed to tell you what to do.
>some dude who never existed
>he doesn't know
Jokes aside most of the characters in the Homeric epics very well may have been real people so you're clearly coping rn.
Kind of. They aren't specific to any battle. They are a mythologized mashup of every battle that ever happened condensed in a story. The pretext, the king, king's brother, young narcissisic noble lusting for fame, siege of fortress, etc.
There was a shitload of that occuring in Anatolia where Homer was from during the Bronze Age, especially MBA and LBA (Homer is right after LBA)
Not kind of. A good portion of them were more then likely real kings and warriors that existed around the end of the Bronze age. Its honestly super clear just based off the catalogue of ships in The Iliad every major city in the Hellenic world wanted their ancenstral King represented in the story.
I'm literally saying that they were real, just not the exact same people and the exact same battle. Such battles were common for the Ahhiyawa for example and Iliad/Odyssey postdate this
>NUH UH I STHAID THEY WERE REAL
You have to be over 18 to post here
Happened = real. Just not in the mythologized narrative, and throughout time in numerous battles
No one is saying there was Zeus out there throwing lightining bolts you fricking redditor.
who do you think zapped paul?
Source?
I am
It shouldn't be used like a guideline, it's more akin to justification.
If you had a even a quarter of a brain, you would've understood.
Only in the sense that there's no west european or north european or east european equivalent and will never be.
why would you ever be surprised? there has been nothing new under the sun since at least the neolithic agricultural revolution.
>I read the last third as a political metaphor for modern day Europe
This is your brain on /misc/
There is a big difference between Odysseus' house being overrun with strangers who want to steal his kingdom and his woman and modern day Europe housing peaceful refugees Chud.
Yes, Homer definitely worte The Odyssey as a metaphor for politics from modern Europe.
yea, modern post-Minoan Europe on the verge of collapse.
op here, oops sorry meant to post this on reddit haha