Indo-europeans were literally kavkaz churkas.
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Not what that says at all. Southern Churkaists got btfo actually. Lazaridis is crying inside.
>Instead of southern churkas now the community agrees that it was central and northern churkas instead
Steppe Eneolithic which were half EHG nordic forced the anatolians slaves to speak their nordic language via Steppe eneolithic. Lazaridis claimed MENA created IE and that no EHG existed in anatolians lmao. He failed. All you southern arcists got btfo today.
Wrong my beloved kang, they had nearly zero ehg
>nearly
HAHAHA! Moving the goal posts I see? Lazaridis claimed NO STEPPE and NO EHG in Anatolians. He got BTFO and proven wrong. PIE homeland is EUROPE.
Noise level admixture.
>10%
>noise
Nope. Anatolians were just so garbage they spoke the language of their superiors. Like iranjeets today lmao
Lazaridis is an author of the study. The study admits there is no EHG in Anatolians. You haven't read it.
…On opposite day
This, southron ackists BTFO
You are moronic and don't know what the study says.
A-West was dead for a long time. A-East is on life support.
Survive the Jive suspects A West is the correct one.
Hypothesis C is obviously the answer.
Hypothesis B was proven correct.
Its A-West
You can almost tell just by much they shill against it. Just in weird places too like in a totally unrelated hypothesis they will say "oh right and it couldnt be steppe because its unlikely" or "I had to have come from somewhere other than the steppe despite evidence pointing to the steppe"
Its 100% cope because if they admit it was from the steppe that means ALL PIE, which is just European-Aryan + 10% non-CWC derived groups, has an origin population that is closer to Europeans than to menamutts and this crushes the "MENA is the origin of civilization, see White people werent always on top"
The Aryans were always on top, you seethe at it because it is true and you know in your heart this is true.
>ANYTHING BUT EHG ANYTHING BUT EHG IE CANT COME FROM WHITE IE CANT BE WHITE
Why are they like this?
They fear the nordic man above all.
>The last thing proto-russoid uralics saw before getting raped by chvrka chads
Lmao read the study you worthless mena ape. You are slaves to europeans lmao. You have never invented anything. You speak nordic EHG language.
What does ilya think about this? cant take any sides yet
>Muh aryan ancestors actually turned out to be khabib clones
funny, well at least that proves that they were good at combat
Nope moron. They were half EHG nordic.
So it's complete and utter nordic victory over basal eurasian subhuman slaves? The usual.
nordicks looked like this before Yamnaya/ANF admixture. depigmented bantus
Looool are menagroids moronic? HALF EHG with EHG Y dna spread IE languages to brown shitholes like Anatolia. IT'S CONFIRMED IN THE STUDY READ IT!
Hope you`ll cheer the half mulattoes of future europe with the same enthusiasm
>irrelevant argumentation
Done.
Ape
Steppe eneolithic. Whatever path that is, is correct.
>Steppe eneolithic. Whatever path that is, is correct.
That would make it Hypothesis C.
Not exactly. Steppe eneolithic is north of the caucasus. East works fine if you just slightly move it south.
No. Steppe Eneolithic is the North Caucasus.
Steppe eneolithic is everywhere from south volga to north caucasus.
That's after CHG, EEF, and WHG admixture. EHG were literal onge negrito hijras.
Frisian / Mordvix Alliance victory.
qrd?
Proto Yamnaya spread Indo-european languages to Anatolia from Europe via the SLV or Steppe neolithic group amounting to 10% proto-steppe dna in anatolians. This is BIG because people used the lack of supposed steppe dna in anatolians as proof that steppe didn't bring indo-european languages to Anatolia, instead being brought by imaginary CHG/Iran_n armenian farmers.
Ok. What about them being churkas then?
Fanfiction. A unique georgian related cline of CHG contributed half of Steppe neolithic's dna, however 0% of this dna was paternal and thus unlikely to have any linguistic relevance.
They have an interesting, well-supported origin for the Yamnaya. Yamnaya from the east came and raped Sredni to death. Then from there moved back to the steppe.
moron, Sredni is Yamnaya's daddy.
Exact opposite. They term Sredni I was Ukrainian Hunter Gatherer which contributed 10% of ancestry, all maternal, to Yamnaya. Yamnaya destroyed them, moron.
You have to be more clear what sredny you speak of, ape. Don't be misguiding people for cheap "owns".
Also not all was maternal if you speak of dnieper donets people. I2 proves this.
Sorry I owned you because you are moronic. Sredni I is Dniepr Donets + farming. A Steppe eneolithic group from the east conquered Sredni. Yamnaya formed out of the Steppe men and Sredni women, but the Sredni component is only 10-30%, all of it maternal seen with the lack of I2 in the steppe but presence of U5.
>admits he is misleading for cheap worthless "owns"
Did you never learn true victory is achieved when to honest sides on the same playing field fight and one wins due to grit, wit and ability? Shame on you. Also, what then is I2 in Yamnaya? Is it from steppe eneolithic?
What the frick are you talking about incel? I am regurgitating the study for anons not trying to get a "true victory" LMAO.
Yamnaya doesn't have I2 in the steppe regions. The I2 is found in the far west.
What imaginary study are you talking of, ape? This is a preprint.
Those resemble the Sredni I people. They disappeared after the Steppe eneolithic invaded them.
Who cares what regions lmao? I2 proves Eneolithic absorbed men too. Your strange rape fantasies of Yamnaya formation is bizzare.
The steppe region is where pure Yamnaya resided. The outliers to the far west have lots of non-Yamnaya ancestry and could've gotten I2 from locals.
Most of Europe and Asia had and has nothing to do with the Yamnaya.
Complete nothing burger.
So you think Yamnaya got I2 from farmers instead of Dnieper Donets? The preprint claims the eneolithic steppe ignored the trypillians in favour of the foragers though. Seems non-intuitive.
You don't even understand how haplogroups work.
Just stfu and grow up already.
You're an idiot.
No, there's only one Yamnaya with I2 and it's a mutt in Bulgaria.
Target: Yamnaya_BGR_I2
Distance: 4.6345% / 0.04634488
58.0 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
42.0 Ukraine_EBA_GlobularAmphora
The majority of Don Yamnaya are I-L701>I-L699.
There is a previous published one from Kalmykia.
Muh meaningless haplogroup autism guyzzz
What do you want moron
I would like you to stop being an idiot?
How about that?
Wow, that doesn't mean anything.
Holy shit anon. Imagine if you spent this much time actually learning about ancient artifacts and archeological digs.
Then you would have some valid useful information.
Guess how Cheddar man was created?
With Haplogroup bullshit.
That's how.
Ancient ethnic Haplogroup comparisons are literally the woke blacked porn troony category of genetic "science".
That's amazing troony anon. Truly amazing stuff.
They're not in G25 to check autosomal.
"The inference of human genetic ancestry based on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups has been known to be less reliable than that based on genome-wide single-nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) platforms"
Wow, what are we going to do now haplo-autistic PIE idiots lol.
The Don guys are core yamnaya+Sredni Stog (in other words excess UKR_N) as per the paper.
The Kalmykia Yamnaya I2 is core yamnaya
The Don outliers are not Core Yamnaya and were excluded from the Yamnaya chart. I can count the Kalmykia one.
>The Don outliers are not Core Yamnaya and were excluded from the Yamnaya chart. I can count the Kalmykia one.
Like the guy you're replying to that doesn't mean anything.
The only reason haplogroups are used in archeological studies is because they are simpler and cheaper at the cost of far greater inaccuracies. They don't even tell you if two groups are similar because of a common ancestor or because of direct descent from one to another, or admixture.
That's already three different scenarios from one set of results.
How do you idiots not know this?
Kalmykia is not Core Yamnaya.
>Kalmykia is not Core Yamnaya.
Who even arbitrarily creates these categories lol?
Why are you all so stupid?
Read the paper
if anything it's too steppe-rich.
You need to read the paper it excludes Kalmykia from Core Yamnaya. The Caucasus Yamnaya are too steppe-rich. Kalmykia has less.
>You need to read the paper it excludes Kalmykia from Core Yamnaya. The Caucasus Yamnaya are too steppe-rich. Kalmykia has less.
This is nobody takes you guys seriously.
Can't even decide on what the same fricking paper even means.
Could you please both shut up?
Like seriously what is the purpose of you both existing?
Is it to argue about dark skinned Cheddar man was?
>excludes Kalmykia from Core Yamnaya
lol
Seriously anon. What is the point of even talking about that study?
What does anybody get out of it?
What's the point?
Wrong. That is listing individuals not population. Kalmykia population is excluded from Core Yamnaya. See Data Table 2.
Literally nobody cares.
you're gonna have to care though since this board is about getting to the truth.
>you're gonna have to care though since this board is about getting to the truth.
Of what?
Lol, this is like a troony pseudo-religious quest or something.
weird.
> buzzwords
what message are you even trying to convey?
>> buzzwords
>what message are you even trying to convey?
Lol, so English is your second language and you don't know what "buzzwords" are.
It's very simple anon.
WHAT are you trying to achieve here?
Why are you so vested in these haplogroup comparison studies that prove or show anything?
This is a religious type obsession with haplogroup idiocy.
Could you guys please shut up?
For real this time.
Too stupid to even read a single paper and come to agreement on what it means.
I never bought up haplos
4 words. get it through your head
Armenians aren't churkas
IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING ANON.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
Read the paper. It's the other way around.
>Read the paper. It's the other way around.
Neither of you can even work out what the fricking paper means lolz.
The I-L699 individual behaves differently from the rest of the Kalmykia set. It rests between Progress and Samara Yamnaya.
Russia_Kalmykia_EBA_Yamnaya.SG:RISE552_noUDG.SG,0.10927,0.089367,0.034318,0.107883,-0.036007,0.051874,0.00564,0.000462,-0.061766,-0.082917,0.001461,0.003297,-0.002527,-0.026424,0.031759,0.019358,0.00352,-0.003041,-0.000377,0.010505,-0.002246,-0.000124,0.004437,0.022774,-0.004191
BUT DEEZ HAPLOGROUPS HAVE 0.0004758 DISTANCE FROM THEEESE!!!!
OMG CHADZ BTFO BLM OWANGO!!!
It's not Core Yamnaya.
because it's too steppe rich
It isn't.
Samara and Caucasus have more steppe-rich samples so that has nothing to do with it.
Correct, it's within the range of other particularly steppe-rich Yamnaya samples.
morons still going.
>I never bought up haplos
All you guys have been talking about this whole time is stupid haplogroup comparison studies lol.
OMG stfu.
>Armenians aren't churkas
Wow, did anyone need to fricking haplogroup study to realize that?
No, of course not.
And that has nothing to do with why that Kalmykia sample is not Core Yamnaya.
The only difference I can see between it and the Core Yamnaya cluster is that it has too much steppe ancestry.
You're free to identify another reason.
>What the frick are you talking about incel?
troony PIE morons talking about sex again.
Calling other people incels when they themselves don't have any sex.
>Yamnaya doesn't have I2 in the steppe regions. The I2 is found in the far west.
Maybe you just don't know what you're talking about?
>Sredny Stog is older than Yamnaya, it carried both R1a and R1b
So what?
We share haplogroups with chimpanzees. It's a meaningless thing to bring up.
Sharing a haplogroup could mean that we descended from said people or share an ancestor with said people.
All you idiots miss that possibly and get on long stupid, pointless debates about nothing essentially
>Indo-europeans were literally kavkaz churkas.
Calm down troony OP. Once again completely wrong. You don't understand basic genetic principles.
>We share haplogroups with chimpanzees. It's a meaningless thing to bring up.
>Sharing a haplogroup could mean that we descended from said people or share an ancestor with said people.
>All you idiots miss that possibly and get on long stupid, pointless debates about nothing essentially
no, SS has the same clade as modern Euros which rules out Yamnaya as a Euro ancestor as Yamnaya has different clades - only Greeks and Armenians have Yamnaya R1b.
Sredny Stog (Steppe) had R1a and all kinds of R1b. Yamnaya having brown R1b might just be too low a sample size.
Serednii Stih*
Nope. They were mostly I2 with a bit of R1a.
still can't agree on basic information...
B-But I thought Progress raped the heckin dnieper donets bros!
These steppe fricks were extremely clannish. Like Mongols. Different culture is dominated by different Y-DNA and older more dominant haplogroups are often replaced by newcomers.
There are plenty of Yamnaya samples.
They are literally a single dead end tribe who's descendants are less than 15% of Greeks and Anatolians.
Yamnaya became famous because they were tested first.
Like if Kumsay was tested first everyone would be talking about Kumsay.
Now that we have a lot of samples we can see who actually did what.
It was relatives of Yamnaya living to the North who spread throughout Europe and the world and who's children eventually would displace Yamnaya who were already a very small tribe probably descended from a single family who moved southward from northern Russia.
Yamnaya/Sredny Stog is 80% Eneolithic/progress according to he study, rest UNHG and trypillian. Is this accurare in G25?
The study basically argues Yamnaya is Armenia_Aknashen_N + BPgroup + UKR_N or Middle Don (proxied by Igren_O in the image). They acknowledge that the precise, real sources probably rest somewhere on the clines discussed throughout the paper.
BP is Berezhnovka-Progress (PG2004 which is the most steppe rich progress sample).
They distinguish PG2004 from Vonyuchka and the other Progress sample, PG2001 (PV group), because they believe the latter have south caucasian ancestry (which is correct).
Essentially they are arguing Yamnaya is a result of something on the cline between Berezhnovka and neolithic armenia mixing with something UKR_N like.
G25 gives a preference for the Trypillia+BPgroup+UKR_N model.
Sredny Stog is older than Yamnaya, it carried both R1a and R1b, it is not certain that it is the ancestor of Yamnaya, but it is very likely that it is the direct ancestor of the early European CWC.
at the time of Sredny Stog there was no noticeable admixture of churka hunter in the steppe; muttization probably occurred somewhere in the northern Caucasus.
Why does it have the same fricking name as Sredni Stog. No wonder I was confused by that anon trying to own me epic style ben shapiro
> "people from Neolithic Armenia"
they're not churkas.
So, is Corded Ware directly derived from Yamnaya?
Well according the schizo above west Yamnaya isn't real yamnaya so eh
Hard to say. It is possible but so is a shared Sredny Stog (the steppe group) origin. It doesn't matter now though as it's all Steppe Eneolithic.
I don't care anymore, lol. I mean, this was obvious already some 2 years ago. I'm still curious why they're so sure about this Lower Volga origin. Why not Lower Don?
But I'm glad the CHG-EHG meme is finally dead and now they talk about Progress-EHG cline, which is the actual steppe cline.