>"Just turn off your brain and enjoy it."
>"it ain't that serious."
>"Why does it have to take itself seriously all the time."
>"Just have fun."
As a writer myself, nothing pisses me off more than these four phrases and they've lead to the death of good writing in general.
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They're cliche statements, part of the fashion to think and say. You may like this lecture:
>muh message
>muh themes
>muh ideas
kys my man
FRICK THEMES
>The most basic echelons of storytelling aren't worth paying attention to
The art of writing (prose) and characterisation are the most important things to consider while writing. Your fars of didactic writing will never consume the truth.
What? That themes, messages and ideas aren't a part of writing?
>Your fars of didactic writing
That's called writing. All writing is made to persuade or convince people.
>As a writer myself
lmao
> they've lead to the death of good writing in general.
why so melodramatic
What's wrong with kids on IQfy these days? Do they have no self-awareness? Imagine typing these posts unironically
>I will only judge an argument by the way a person says it. Not on the actual merits of the argument itself. I am very intelligent
You're a wannabe writer. The way you write kind of matters
>Lmao
>Why so melodramatic
Oh, so you have no argument against anything I'm saying. Amazing.
The traditional view is that true art is moral: it seeks to improve life, not debase it. It seeks to hold off, at least for a while, the twilight of the gods and us. I do not deny that art, like criticism, may legitimately celebrate the trifling. It may joke, or mock, or while away the time. But trivial art has no meaning or value except in the shadow of more serious art, the kind of art that beats back the monsters and, if you will, makes the world safe for triviality. That art which tends toward destruction, the art of nihilists, cynics, and merdistes, is not properly art at all. Art is essentially serious and beneficial, a game played against chaos and death, against entropy. It is a tragic game, for those who have the wit to take it seriously, because our side must lose; a comic game — or so a troll might say — because only a clown with sawdust brains would take our side and eagerly join in.
— John Gardener, 'On Moral Fiction'
>Gardner is best known for his 1971 novel Grendel, a retelling of the Beowulf myth from the monster's point of view.
i don't take advice from fanfic writers, sorry
Gardener says some good stuff in On Moral Fiction, so it's a pity that his actual novels aren't all that great (they didn't really grab me anyway). But he did run a creative writing class which Raymond Carver said helped him a lot, so maybe he produced some good work by proxy.
Let me introduce you to post modernism
I would agree that postmodernism is a "game played against chaos and death, against entropy"
Dunno if thats what you were saying
this is the sort of thinking that has led us to the current state of published fiction
holy shit thats how I do my shitposting, interesting.
I bet no one will read your books. You will never be a celebrated author. People like james paterson will be remembered in five hundred years and nobody will ever remember you or your "art"
If you're art isn't popular on release it'll always get vindicated with time.
Some art has meaning
Some art has no meaning
Only brainlets can't tell the difference
Only pseuds give a frick
It ain't that serious.
Just have fun.
god anon just let people enjoy things
Fun is literally capital's word for consumption as morality.
>"Just turn off your brain and enjoy it."
>"it ain't that serious."
>"Why does it have to take itself seriously all the time."
>"Just have fun."
>As a writer myself, nothing pisses me off more than these four phrases and they've lead to the death of good writing in general.
Tell me you’ve never read the classics without telling me you’ve never read the classics
Just have fun and be yourself
What if I don't want to have """""""fun""""'" and I want to learn and experience something?
Then ty should learn and experience something without having fun
then read non-fiction
Seething
>as a writer myself
You are not a writer and never will be.
>In order to be a writer you have to win awards
>As a writer myself
>In order to be a writer you have to have won awards and gone on Jimmey Kimmel.
I don't know about you but I don't want my reader's psycho analyzing my story about lesbian cyborgs sword fighting monsters
Why not? Why don't you want it to have any deeper meaning or message?
I hate DFW's face so much. He looks like the son of a dentist and I would beat that self-satisfied smirk off his face if only Allah would put the strength to do so in my limbs. He looks like he should be trying to pick up underage girls at a Phish concert, not writing books. This man has the audacity to preach to others about the nature of human experience yet one look at the "man" will tell you that he is a pathetic cringing coward who would die if he had to live the life of a man less fortunate than himself.
Frick DFW.