a DNM exit scammed with people's funds and is now also blackmailing them https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/03/incognito-darknet-market-mass-extorts-buyers-sellers/
You're a mental gatekeeping homosexual and you will die an NPC's death.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Cope. Drugs are for morons ahah
2 months ago
Anonymous
Forgot to take my adderall and was feeling rude kek apologies to any of the other gays in this thread but OP made me angry with his Black person tier XMR baiting XMR is the best frick you Black person monkey kek.
2 months ago
Anonymous
checked, but also typical xmr holder
2 months ago
Anonymous
>reading this thread, concerned for xmr, while coasting on a dexamp high
yeah
2 months ago
Anonymous
kino
2 months ago
Anonymous
I take vyvanse and some XRs weekly and I can feel it riding through me, but I still type coherently, you seem a bit tweaky earlier in the thread. What dose are you taking? Dextroamphetamine is a strong drug...
I liked when White Market did a gentleman's exit and simply announced a closure. My first thought was what
Glow op
The feds have seized the site but they don't actually have any real data
They are doing a fishing expedition to see who to prioritize
People frick up when they are panicked and start moving things around.
Also Base is a fed chain that never supported XMR
said, they've just gotten seized and now this 'blackmail' is a way to get people to turn themselves in. Or maybe the market changed hands and got bought by a scammer. The story could also be exactly as it presents itself, in which case most people who are doing pgp on their own computer and using a few XMR accounts are going to be fine.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I was not taking any at the time breh. The reason I seemed tweaky was because I wanted to insult people and a string of punctuation-less insults are bound to come off as tweaky imo. Maybe I'm wrong kek.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Omfg anon did you just imply that adderall is not an drug t attentin 25mg per day, sometimes feeling like a junkie but the calm over my impulsivity is life saving
2 months ago
Anonymous
>don't do drugs >gets pissy when he doesn't get his adderal(legal speed)
Bro wtf are you even doing?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Uhh calm down brahh its all priced in hahahahah
2 months ago
Anonymous
this is a parody.... right
please tell me its a parody lol
2 months ago
Anonymous
breasts or gtfo roastie.
2 months ago
Anonymous
This is why take precautions, encrypt sensitive details yourself, order small amounts for your own consumption and only use monero to transact. Just don't be a moron and you will be fine
2 months ago
Anonymous
the only way to do something illegally is to do it alone, once you involve npcs it quickly falls apart, you have to grow it yourself or synth it, easy for most things
2 months ago
Anonymous
Trustless systems exist, for example dead drops. People are lazy pussies these days though so don't want to use dead drops for their fricking drugs. They want them delivered like goddamn Uber eats.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I know, if I was to be a hotshot kingpin I would use dead drops with the darknet, why risk involving the post office, it's pretty moronic honestly but somehow it works for people, it would only really be profitable if you are selling a significant amount though, like 10k worth or more at a time
this is a creative way to add a layer to an exit scam, I don't not support these admins in their effort. I doubt they'll actually sell this data to anyone, it's just a bonus exit scam bump.
even if law enforcement had this information, "leaked" to them, I don't think you could use it in court, that's not a regular evidence discovery. it's blackmail from a criminal.
anyhow, creative stuff good on these guys.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No, but they could definitely use it to figure out who is selling drugs and where, which they could end up going after those people in various ways.
I don't think that this is legit but if it were he will likely:
1) Not release anything and just enjoy the money that gullible morons will send him;
2) Only release anything if he's caught by the cops and uses that data to get a plea bargain.
Even if he does release it, the info can't be trusted.
Even funnier, it could be the government trying to find out who is scared to be busted so they can bust them.
This guy is some pathetic neckbeard trying to LARP like he's some kind of criminal mastermind. His exit scam must not have netted him as much as he wanted. Regardless, all he is doing is painting a bigger target on his back, from both dealers and law enforcement. Sad.
I wonder if any smooth brain is going to pay, given that it's painfully obvious they'll get doxxed no matter what.
Save that money to acquire legal representation.
It's real. Monero has shit anonymity. Ring of 16 is nowhere near enough when all your darknet trades are considered together which this dataset provides.
because Monerosisters keep coping how their tech is "good enough". this data set would have been worthless had they used any SNARK coin.
2 months ago
Anonymous
so a zk-snark coin would have prevented people from relying on auto-encrypt on incognito? are you moronic?
2 months ago
Anonymous
the transaction hashes are separate from messages. it literally doesn't matter what the message encryption is, it is a sideshow
2 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking idiot you don't even understand what's being talked about here.
These people gave their unencrypted home addresses to a compromised dark net website. Their mistake was not using pgp to encrypt their address before sending it.
It's because the site itself probably backdoored the encryption or whatever. If the users were smart they would only use a clean transfer wallet on that site which would basically nullify any threat.
I've bought drugs before if you can't tell
>a clean transfer wallet nullifies any threat
it doesn't. Chainalysis is not dumb: when you deposit your "clean" deposits into an exchange and each of them references a bad transaction in their ring signature they flag you.
this matters more for sellers who receive XMR buyers never get touched anyway.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>when you deposit your "clean" deposits into an exchange and each of them references a bad transaction in their ring signature they flag you.
I don't really know what this means tbh
What I'm referencing is 2 wallets. One to connect to your on/off ramp and one to transact with the darkweb. The one that would potentially be used in the marketplace never sends funds back. Thus they don't have your original wallet
Right? You can't see addresses in tx history or am I moronic
2 months ago
Anonymous
the way Monero works is that each transaction references the real money spent + 15 possible extra outputs. this is the ring signature of size 16.
so a single transaction has plausible deniability: if I got money from darknet market and then deposited it into Binance, then they don't have enough suspicion to flag me - it is just one of 16 outputs that is bad.
but if I keep depositing money and every time my ring (or previous ring when you send you do DNM -> dirty wallet -> clean wallet -> Binance) has a member that glows, and all those glows go back to the same user ID (my seller ID on Incognito) then surely they will flag me.
this is a problem *even if* you do everything right. obviously sending your home address with trustmebro encryption
Fricking idiot you don't even understand what's being talked about here.
These people gave their unencrypted home addresses to a compromised dark net website. Their mistake was not using pgp to encrypt their address before sending it.
makes it worse. but the problem exists even if you use GPG and do everything by the book. 16 ring members is simply not enough.
2 months ago
Anonymous
However stealth addresses?
2 months ago
Anonymous
unfortunately stealth addresses and bulletproofs are irrelevant here as this attack operates purely on ring signature level and only requires tx hashes to work.
2 months ago
Anonymous
but you do multiple intermediary transactions.
2 months ago
Anonymous
multiple intermediaries could help but uncertain to what degree (are 2 hops enough? 5 hops?). also added complexity = more ways your average seller can screw up. in this regard SNARKs are one-and-done.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>SNARKs are one-and-done
Yes, lets conveniently fail to mention how SNARKs still lack the battle-testing and reliability of more established cryptography.
2 months ago
Anonymous
interesting thanks anon
2 months ago
Anonymous
>so a single transaction has plausible deniability
Which is why your output is repeatedly used in other people's TXs, sending adversaries on multiple wild goose chases. This is the compounding effect of ring signatures, your anonymity set grows over time and becomes effectively uncrackable, as the record shows.
>16 ring members is simply not enough.
Bullshit. Monero has been used in darknet commerce since 2017 with exactly ZERO users traced.
Ring signatures are being deprecated now anyway.
FUD harder.
2 months ago
Anonymous
unfortunately you are wrong. there is no compounding effect for repeated interactions with a single entity like a KYC exchange. the problem is that after a deposit 100 out of 100 real seller's rings will glow but for a regular Joe maybe 1 of 100 rings will glow. the effect that you are misunderstanding is that there will be many such 1% Joes and more as time goes on. but that does not change the fact that there will be only one 100% target.
I don't blame you for getting this wrong and you might think that a jury will be similarly confused and thus it is all fine. but remember that they don't need to prove any of this in court as they are masters of parallel construction (look it up)
>SNARKs are one-and-done
Yes, lets conveniently fail to mention how SNARKs still lack the battle-testing and reliability of more established cryptography.
it is not 2016 anymore, you can't claim that snarks are untested moon math. SNARKs have billions of dollars riding on them in protocols where you have actual liquidity (every zk rollup). monero ring signature protocol and implementation is only used by monero.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You're talking about theory, I'm talking about practice. This vulnerability exists and has been well understood for years (see Breaking Monero) and so is easily mitigated by either churning or avoiding KYC'd platforms altogether.
Furthermore, timing and amount correlation attacks can happen on any chain, nothing will protect you from shitty OPSEC.
>but remember that they don't need to prove any of this in court as they are masters of parallel construction (look it up)
I'm sure but they must still reference the markets involved, and so far in the few DNM cases brought to trial zero Monero-only markets have been implicated thusly. We can panic when one XMR-only market admin after another starts getting busted (don't hold your breath).
>it is not 2016 anymore, you can't claim that snarks are untested moon math
Novel cryptography typically takes 10 to 20 years to mature. See elliptic-curve cryptography.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>they must still reference the markets involved
they don't. tech cases are hard to prosecute and risk revealing sources and methods. that's why they always drop cases when pedos have good lawyers that start doing motion practice asking for details on their spyware. so they just focus on drug charges instead.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, until we notice a consistent pattern of Monero-only markets going down in succession there's no reason to assume XMR is fatally broken. It'll be a non-issue soon.
2 months ago
Anonymous
sure just two more weeks until Seraphis and then snarks are right around the corner.
>homosexual ID
literally has no idea what he's talking about, or what happened.
for anyone who wants to know what actually happened with Incognito market, go to the dread forum, or read the articles from The Tor Times- tor(DOT)taxi
Some morons really don't encrypt order details with PGP on their own before making an order on a DNM ?
Do people really trust DNMs when half of them end up exit scamming ?
>Do people really trust DNMs when half of them end up exit scamming ?
People are moronic. "Noooo this one wont ever scam it's my first DNM and I love it".
there is a significant portion of minorities on the darknet now, they treat it just like a cellphone, the average iq is 100, it is public knowledge that the darknet exists, we aren't in 2015 anymore when people went through the effort to understand pgp even though we used the shitty bitshit for transactions
I remember when Dutch authorities took over a DNM and then collected all the “in house pgp” data and then raided a guy… who was buying like half a gram of weed lmao.
>use pgp >use two random, fresh intermediary wallets before making a purchase
???????
Do people really not know how security works? lmao
btw I never used this site but the above precautions should be common sense.
Glow op
The feds have seized the site but they don't actually have any real data
They are doing a fishing expedition to see who to prioritize
People frick up when they are panicked and start moving things around.
Also Base is a fed chain that never supported XMR
i mean if you know what you are doing it works okay. for morons that buy into the advertisement it is a honeypot. rn without full membership anon set statistical analysis on the transaction graph is too easy.
Dear sir I have record the Webcam you watching the porn and doing very naughty thing with your hand. I am sending to your family if you don't send 20000000 rupees of cryptocurrency. This serious issue dear I am haxxer
is this real or a phishing site?
a DNM exit scammed with people's funds and is now also blackmailing them https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/03/incognito-darknet-market-mass-extorts-buyers-sellers/
FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK
i always used my own pgp, but im still scared
This is why you don't buy nor do drugs.
You're a mental gatekeeping homosexual and you will die an NPC's death.
Cope. Drugs are for morons ahah
Forgot to take my adderall and was feeling rude kek apologies to any of the other gays in this thread but OP made me angry with his Black person tier XMR baiting XMR is the best frick you Black person monkey kek.
checked, but also typical xmr holder
>reading this thread, concerned for xmr, while coasting on a dexamp high
yeah
kino
I take vyvanse and some XRs weekly and I can feel it riding through me, but I still type coherently, you seem a bit tweaky earlier in the thread. What dose are you taking? Dextroamphetamine is a strong drug...
I liked when White Market did a gentleman's exit and simply announced a closure. My first thought was what
said, they've just gotten seized and now this 'blackmail' is a way to get people to turn themselves in. Or maybe the market changed hands and got bought by a scammer. The story could also be exactly as it presents itself, in which case most people who are doing pgp on their own computer and using a few XMR accounts are going to be fine.
I was not taking any at the time breh. The reason I seemed tweaky was because I wanted to insult people and a string of punctuation-less insults are bound to come off as tweaky imo. Maybe I'm wrong kek.
Omfg anon did you just imply that adderall is not an drug t attentin 25mg per day, sometimes feeling like a junkie but the calm over my impulsivity is life saving
>don't do drugs
>gets pissy when he doesn't get his adderal(legal speed)
Bro wtf are you even doing?
Uhh calm down brahh its all priced in hahahahah
this is a parody.... right
please tell me its a parody lol
breasts or gtfo roastie.
This is why take precautions, encrypt sensitive details yourself, order small amounts for your own consumption and only use monero to transact. Just don't be a moron and you will be fine
the only way to do something illegally is to do it alone, once you involve npcs it quickly falls apart, you have to grow it yourself or synth it, easy for most things
Trustless systems exist, for example dead drops. People are lazy pussies these days though so don't want to use dead drops for their fricking drugs. They want them delivered like goddamn Uber eats.
I know, if I was to be a hotshot kingpin I would use dead drops with the darknet, why risk involving the post office, it's pretty moronic honestly but somehow it works for people, it would only really be profitable if you are selling a significant amount though, like 10k worth or more at a time
don't be a pussy, drugs are basically legal.
this is a creative way to add a layer to an exit scam, I don't not support these admins in their effort. I doubt they'll actually sell this data to anyone, it's just a bonus exit scam bump.
even if law enforcement had this information, "leaked" to them, I don't think you could use it in court, that's not a regular evidence discovery. it's blackmail from a criminal.
anyhow, creative stuff good on these guys.
No, but they could definitely use it to figure out who is selling drugs and where, which they could end up going after those people in various ways.
If you did it right you have nothing to fear.
I don't think that this is legit but if it were he will likely:
1) Not release anything and just enjoy the money that gullible morons will send him;
2) Only release anything if he's caught by the cops and uses that data to get a plea bargain.
Even if he does release it, the info can't be trusted.
Even funnier, it could be the government trying to find out who is scared to be busted so they can bust them.
This guy is some pathetic neckbeard trying to LARP like he's some kind of criminal mastermind. His exit scam must not have netted him as much as he wanted. Regardless, all he is doing is painting a bigger target on his back, from both dealers and law enforcement. Sad.
I wonder if any smooth brain is going to pay, given that it's painfully obvious they'll get doxxed no matter what.
Save that money to acquire legal representation.
Yes
It's real. Monero has shit anonymity. Ring of 16 is nowhere near enough when all your darknet trades are considered together which this dataset provides.
Nice cope, these people had accounts on these sites. Why are you blaming the monero instead of the chatlogs? Black person moron.
because Monerosisters keep coping how their tech is "good enough". this data set would have been worthless had they used any SNARK coin.
so a zk-snark coin would have prevented people from relying on auto-encrypt on incognito? are you moronic?
the transaction hashes are separate from messages. it literally doesn't matter what the message encryption is, it is a sideshow
Fricking idiot you don't even understand what's being talked about here.
These people gave their unencrypted home addresses to a compromised dark net website. Their mistake was not using pgp to encrypt their address before sending it.
>hehe we're extorting you lawl
It's because the site itself probably backdoored the encryption or whatever. If the users were smart they would only use a clean transfer wallet on that site which would basically nullify any threat.
I've bought drugs before if you can't tell
>a clean transfer wallet nullifies any threat
it doesn't. Chainalysis is not dumb: when you deposit your "clean" deposits into an exchange and each of them references a bad transaction in their ring signature they flag you.
this matters more for sellers who receive XMR buyers never get touched anyway.
>when you deposit your "clean" deposits into an exchange and each of them references a bad transaction in their ring signature they flag you.
I don't really know what this means tbh
What I'm referencing is 2 wallets. One to connect to your on/off ramp and one to transact with the darkweb. The one that would potentially be used in the marketplace never sends funds back. Thus they don't have your original wallet
Right? You can't see addresses in tx history or am I moronic
the way Monero works is that each transaction references the real money spent + 15 possible extra outputs. this is the ring signature of size 16.
so a single transaction has plausible deniability: if I got money from darknet market and then deposited it into Binance, then they don't have enough suspicion to flag me - it is just one of 16 outputs that is bad.
but if I keep depositing money and every time my ring (or previous ring when you send you do DNM -> dirty wallet -> clean wallet -> Binance) has a member that glows, and all those glows go back to the same user ID (my seller ID on Incognito) then surely they will flag me.
this is a problem *even if* you do everything right. obviously sending your home address with trustmebro encryption
makes it worse. but the problem exists even if you use GPG and do everything by the book. 16 ring members is simply not enough.
However stealth addresses?
unfortunately stealth addresses and bulletproofs are irrelevant here as this attack operates purely on ring signature level and only requires tx hashes to work.
but you do multiple intermediary transactions.
multiple intermediaries could help but uncertain to what degree (are 2 hops enough? 5 hops?). also added complexity = more ways your average seller can screw up. in this regard SNARKs are one-and-done.
>SNARKs are one-and-done
Yes, lets conveniently fail to mention how SNARKs still lack the battle-testing and reliability of more established cryptography.
interesting thanks anon
>so a single transaction has plausible deniability
Which is why your output is repeatedly used in other people's TXs, sending adversaries on multiple wild goose chases. This is the compounding effect of ring signatures, your anonymity set grows over time and becomes effectively uncrackable, as the record shows.
>16 ring members is simply not enough.
Bullshit. Monero has been used in darknet commerce since 2017 with exactly ZERO users traced.
Ring signatures are being deprecated now anyway.
FUD harder.
unfortunately you are wrong. there is no compounding effect for repeated interactions with a single entity like a KYC exchange. the problem is that after a deposit 100 out of 100 real seller's rings will glow but for a regular Joe maybe 1 of 100 rings will glow. the effect that you are misunderstanding is that there will be many such 1% Joes and more as time goes on. but that does not change the fact that there will be only one 100% target.
I don't blame you for getting this wrong and you might think that a jury will be similarly confused and thus it is all fine. but remember that they don't need to prove any of this in court as they are masters of parallel construction (look it up)
it is not 2016 anymore, you can't claim that snarks are untested moon math. SNARKs have billions of dollars riding on them in protocols where you have actual liquidity (every zk rollup). monero ring signature protocol and implementation is only used by monero.
You're talking about theory, I'm talking about practice. This vulnerability exists and has been well understood for years (see Breaking Monero) and so is easily mitigated by either churning or avoiding KYC'd platforms altogether.
Furthermore, timing and amount correlation attacks can happen on any chain, nothing will protect you from shitty OPSEC.
>but remember that they don't need to prove any of this in court as they are masters of parallel construction (look it up)
I'm sure but they must still reference the markets involved, and so far in the few DNM cases brought to trial zero Monero-only markets have been implicated thusly. We can panic when one XMR-only market admin after another starts getting busted (don't hold your breath).
>it is not 2016 anymore, you can't claim that snarks are untested moon math
Novel cryptography typically takes 10 to 20 years to mature. See elliptic-curve cryptography.
>they must still reference the markets involved
they don't. tech cases are hard to prosecute and risk revealing sources and methods. that's why they always drop cases when pedos have good lawyers that start doing motion practice asking for details on their spyware. so they just focus on drug charges instead.
Yeah, until we notice a consistent pattern of Monero-only markets going down in succession there's no reason to assume XMR is fatally broken. It'll be a non-issue soon.
sure just two more weeks until Seraphis and then snarks are right around the corner.
SNARKs aren't being used, Bulletproofs are.
>homosexual ID
literally has no idea what he's talking about, or what happened.
for anyone who wants to know what actually happened with Incognito market, go to the dread forum, or read the articles from The Tor Times- tor(DOT)taxi
It's a dark net drug website, don't go on fishy websites it's that easy
>y'all
Even the drug peddling homosexuals speak like 38 BMI collitch roasties.
Kek I was just reading it in a condescending redit gay voice because of the “Yall”
>use pgp for communication
>use monero
Wow, it's fricking nothing.
they didn't use pgp, they used "auto encrypt" messenger on a darknet site, lol, true brainlet shit
Some morons really don't encrypt order details with PGP on their own before making an order on a DNM ?
Do people really trust DNMs when half of them end up exit scamming ?
>Do people really trust DNMs when half of them end up exit scamming ?
People are moronic. "Noooo this one wont ever scam it's my first DNM and I love it".
there is a significant portion of minorities on the darknet now, they treat it just like a cellphone, the average iq is 100, it is public knowledge that the darknet exists, we aren't in 2015 anymore when people went through the effort to understand pgp even though we used the shitty bitshit for transactions
wtf is incognito market
It was a market to buy drugs with crypto.
I remember when Dutch authorities took over a DNM and then collected all the “in house pgp” data and then raided a guy… who was buying like half a gram of weed lmao.
>using dark net still
man i just buy thca flower legally.
>use pgp
>use two random, fresh intermediary wallets before making a purchase
???????
Do people really not know how security works? lmao
btw I never used this site but the above precautions should be common sense.
No they don't, and neither does OP as this has nothing to do with monero or any other coin being traced. The level of idiocy on this board is palpable
I thought lower traffic meant less moronation. I guess not.
>Riccardo "fluffypony" Spagni, accused of having stolen money from his former employer when he was their IT guy.
OH NO NO NO NO
https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/not-sweet-as-cape-cookies-former-manager-comes-under-cosh-85ad1b13-22c1-4c22-9580-5b8168985aad
>Using auto encryption on DNMs
Why are people stupid. This has happened before, hasn't it? You're supposed to use GNUpg.
drug addicts and pedos btfo
I don't buy drugs or child porn.
not my problem
Glow op
The feds have seized the site but they don't actually have any real data
They are doing a fishing expedition to see who to prioritize
People frick up when they are panicked and start moving things around.
Also Base is a fed chain that never supported XMR
>Pedos and druggies when their pedo and druggie habits land them in jail
Thanks for playing.
monero's been cracked for like 2 years now anyways
Stop this FUD immediately
but it's legit.
and it's 2 years old.
monero's just a honeypot.
It wasn't legit then and it isn't legit now.
i mean if you know what you are doing it works okay. for morons that buy into the advertisement it is a honeypot. rn without full membership anon set statistical analysis on the transaction graph is too easy.
>monero's been cracked for like 2 years now anyways
Make sure to inform the OPSEC gurus on Dread about this.
>d/OpSec
Wasn't this a lie perpetrated by glowBlack folk?
they can't do shit
CIA has had it for a long time. They only expose high value targets because they don't want to blow their honeypot.
So they don't care about your drugs or murder money.
Threaten globohomosexual or Israel and you will be dealt with
Monero is the crypto version of Encrochat
Dear sir I have record the Webcam you watching the porn and doing very naughty thing with your hand. I am sending to your family if you don't send 20000000 rupees of cryptocurrency. This serious issue dear I am haxxer
i cant help but somewhat respect the absolute balls it takes to extort a shitload of drug dealers like this
you just warned drug dealers to clean up their shit before you potentially rat on them
if you pay the blackmail you have no guarantee that he won't do it
imagine not using pgp, lol, kids these days
This guy will probably be killed. It's really stupid to try to extort criminals who thought they could trust you.
>Prices double on April 1
APRIL FOOLS!
Imagine how silly these people will feel when nothing happens and they just gave their money away for free.
this guy also owns darknetlive. what are the implications of this?
Cumyholein is really upset that XMR is back at $150 lol
I wonder what the new COINTELPRO will be when full membership proofs are added.