KDE and GNOME get the most attention and funding as the big TWO DEs, But lately Cinnamon has been getting some attention and development and it has Mint team backing it, do you think someday we will see it among the two or it will be forever KDE vs GNOME?
Isn't Cinnamon basically a remix of GNOME 3?
It's GNOME done right. Yeah.
Following several attempts to extend GNOME 3 such that it would suit the Linux Mint design goals, the Mint developers forked several GNOME 3 components to build an independent desktop environment. Separation from GNOME was completed in Cinnamon 2.0, which was released in October 2013. Applets and desklets are no longer compatible with GNOME 3.
No Wayland support means no adoption.
>No Wayland support means no adoption.
Mint is one of the most popular distros and sorry chud year of Wayland won't happen before 2025
>Mint is one of the most popular distros
Not anymore. Most people got tired of Mint being downstream LTS and have moved onto Arch due to its newer packages and Wayland support.
Arch is only popular with experienced linux users.
that never happened, outside of greasy redditors and IQfyners, Ubuntu and Mint are king for normies and people who wants to get the job done
Your trans Rust programming discord server isn't "most people," Lilith.
>Most people did [thing that doesn't make sense]
If you said Manjaro, it would be plausible at least.
>Most people
1.5% of Linux Desktop market share. Firefox users make up roughly 4% of total market share, and out of this 4% of market share Wayland users take up 7% of share while the rest 90% are happy users of Xorg.
Definition of "most people" according to average reddi- sorry, average /gee/ user: 7% out of 1.5% out of 4% of market share. So like a few thousand people at best.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Firefox-Wayland-X11-Stats
Why do x trannies have a complete disregard of privacy? First they don’t have any problem with a keylogger running as a root and then they leave their browser telemetry on? Wtf?
are there keyloggers in the room with us right now?
Yes its in your computer. Are you fricking blind?
Sorry but people with life have no time to tinker with their browsers and OS. This is why they install Ubuntu and use ungoogled chromium.
Cinnamon stagnated massively. Mint team needs to get off Ubuntu and do it’s own thing vis a vis Debian.
I remember using cinnamon in like 2014 or 15, and again in 2020. Virtually identical and perhaps even more bloated
Whats their reason for sticking with ubuntu?
I really don’t know. But when they were a new distro it made sense… now that they’re one of the most adopted distros it doesn’t make so much sense
because Ubuntu is the default distro and actually it's better than Debian
t. used Debian in the past
best support really.
What would they even do to make Cinnamon newer? It is already feature complete as it is, I'm not sure I understand the problem. If it ain't broke, dont fix it. Cinnamon is generally a snappier desktop environment these days and they put out a new stock theme a couple of years ago. Thats really all that needs to be done for a feature complete software outside of patches.
What? It makes complete sense to me. Ubuntu is the most popular distribution (on desktop), has the most native software packaging support for Linux (however this started with debian being popular first before ubuntu came out to be fair), is backed by and developed by a corporation (Canonical), and has the largest community for support questions (askubuntu). They can get most of these benefits from normal upstream Debian but they can't get the last two, which are both desirable things, and Ubuntu's stable branch packages are much newer than Debian's. Of course Mint Team wants to base themselves on Ubuntu and not Debian, basing yourself on the easiest and most widely-supported distribution for the desktop is the best decision you could make if youre making a "just works" distro like Mint, not to mention it alleviates a lot of work on their end because 99% of their job is done by already done by Canonical and Mint just pulls it downstream (and it also gets all that community help and support on askubuntu and omg!ubuntu and shit downstream from ubuntu too as I mentioned). This allows them more room to work on what they actually work on, which is removing Canonical's influence from their downstream (mainly snaps) and developing Cinnamon.
If you really want to see Mint based on Debian go look up LMDE, it already exists and is a side-project of theirs. Its a mess.
I don’t like Mont’s management. The 2014ish mint I was amazed by has stagnated. Lots of issues in security and bloat.
Just embrace the canonical relationship and have a better product as Ubuntu Mint. Or don’t, but I wish mint team would step up their game
>Lots of issues in security and bloat.
I can't name a single security issue, and if you dont like bloat then youre gonna hate the next Mint. Its based on GNOME 42
Historically mint lagged in implementing security patches compared to Ubuntu, and they didn’t sign all their updates the same way Ubuntu did.
But being based off Gnome420*10^99 is meme worthy. Gnome is awful and has been since the gnome 3 disaster
People don't need an epic wheel reinvention every two years on their desktop workflow. Muscle memory is a thing. If working on the backend side of things is necessary, that's another matter, but if it looks identical for years is irrelevant for pretty much anyone but trend chasers and zoomers.
Tbh they should just make it an independent distro like solus.
Not unless they fix the blatant performance issues and start supporting a wayland session.
For fricks sake, I was using cinnamon today and elder scrolls online ran with constant performance issues, while on GNONE with the same settings and playing a 1080p memetube video runs perfectly fine on my RX 580.
>Not unless they fix the blatant performance issues
These performance issues you speak of were backported from GNOME since Cinnamon is forked from GNOME (specifically version 3.38 in its last major release, which is pretty old now), GNOME has fixed these issues since but Cinnamon develops at a slower pace to that of GNOME so it does not have these fixes yet. There is a new LTS release of Mint coming out this month and it comes with a new version of Cinnamon based on GNOME 42, so it too will have an upgrade in performance soon too the same way GNOME did when it hit 40.
>and start supporting a wayland session.
They have no plans for this because Wayland is still buggy crap. Last I used Wayland (2 months ago) I still couldn't launch certain games I had (like Huniepop 2), but I could the moment I switched back to X11. X11 may be abandonware and objectively terrible but it still works on every machine it runs on, unlike Wayland, so Mint plans to stick with X until Wayland is more viable.
>For fricks sake, I was using cinnamon today and elder scrolls online ran with constant performance issues, while on GNONE with the same settings and playing a 1080p memetube video runs perfectly fine on my RX 580.
Wait until Mint 21 in two weeks.
Cinnamon is forked from GNOME 3.2 or 3.6 which is ancient, and it's main reason it works like shit, new release will contain Cinnamon based on 3.36, which is better, but still far from ideal.
It took monumental effort (it started almost year ago) and there are still regressions and bugs, so don't expect Cinnamon based on GNOME 40+ anytime soon. Probably when next LTS drops in 2024.
>new release will contain Cinnamon based on 3.36, which is better, but still far from ideal.
No.
https://itsfoss.com/linux-mint-21-features/
stop reading shitty new sources that have no clue what are they talking about
I follow their Github
New Cinnamon is based on GNOME 3.36, not GNOME 40
The new cinnamon implementation for Mint 21 isnt on their github yet you goof, this is not that
it is, it's merged Jun 9, there are not hiding it in secret repos
>But lately Cinnamon has been getting some attention and development and it has Mint team backing it, do you think someday we will see it among the two or it will be forever KDE vs GNOME?
Budgie managed to survive by creating the buddies of budgie group.
Cinnamon could do something similar i guess.
In general if you notice all big or long lasting desktops have groups
Cinnamon is fundamentally Mint-centric. You can use it on other distros, but you won't get the same level of quality control. I feel like the kind of person who would really like Cinnamon is also the kind of person who would rather just use Mint than go out of their way to install it on something else.
As for GNOME and KDE's dominance, I see very little reason for change. Maybe when KDE 6 comes out and it's a buggy unusable piece of shit, or when GNOME 50 comes out and deprecates multitasking, people will start looking at alternatives, but for now the scene is pretty stable.
Yes I think it will be seen as part of the big two, largely by displacing users from GNOME.
I like Cinnamon and IMO the UX is better than either of GNOME or KDE. It doesn't have as big as foundation/company backing as those two so it has a struggle getting mindshare but more hobbyists using it will eventually push it into workplaces, universities, etc.
Linux is going through a de-democratization phase where the big corp Linux distros are becoming more dissimilar to the hobbyist ones. Ultimately I think the hobbyists will win for the same reasons Linux won in the first place.
cinnamon is trash, always has been same as Mint
Cinnamon is just so comfy and it just works. Something KDE could never achieve.
Never, cinnamon isn’t gonna survive the great Wayland filter.
Wayland is not going to survive
despite being in development for 15 years, it's still buggy mess with less than 20% market share
Lmao only in IQfy you see these ridiculous opinions.
Wayland is already in use in every single enterprise relevant distros and even steam deck is using Wayland.
Xorg has been in development for 40 years and it still lacks a standard implementation of VRR without driver specific hacks. A lot of Nvidia cancer fanboys plague the community and they constantly shill Xorg but once gtk moves to Wayland only, it’s their final nail in their coffin.
sorry chud but no one is using despite being pushed hard
>browser telemetry data
X trannies getting very desperate
Less than 10% actually
> it has Mint team backing it
That's not a good thing.
Cinnamon is an irrelevant hobby project based on the codes of an ancient gnome 3 version (3.18?). It’s not going to survive as there’s no Wayland support.
A lot of these Wayland deniers are not programmers, they’re unable to solve any problem that’s going to emerge in near future. They should hire someone to write xorgs xwayland equivalent before it’s too late.