>glasses are -13.0 index
Holy shit that's bad. My father had Lasik ~20 years ago and his vision is still fine, his vision was a -6.5 though. Mine is -4.25, I'm thinking of getting lasik too.
No, it can't. The chances of having to get repeat surgery or simply failing go up astronomically beyond 6, and by 10 they generally won't even attempt it. There's little chance for correction and a very high chance for deviation.
I'm -8.5 and I've had long-term opticians tell me that it isn't worth it long term. So many people with astigmatism (wrong shape) come out worse in the long run, or just aging makes it worse. Right now its just a butcher shop of lasers and hoping for the best.
The only thing I have heard good things about overall is complete artificial cornea replacement. I know three older people who have had it, two had very good results, one was kind of not a good example as she had an already deeply fricked situation and it was hard to tell if the outcome was worse than what would have naturally progressed.
most contacts have a max index of -12 tho. i'm fortunate that despite my -13 glasses i can get away with -12 contact lenses, and i pray my eyes don't get any worse
honestly give contacts a shot, yes they will cost more than a pair of glasses but if you like how you look in contacts, they are great. I wear dailies. pop em in in the morning, pop em out before bed. ez pz no way am I putting a frickin laser in my eye cmon now WHAT?
contacts make driving hard for me. Also I feel like I have to focus a lot more on things to "analyze" them, especially in the evening after whole day of dealing with monitors. Like I can see something clearly but have to fire-up some additional brain cells to tell what does it mean.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I always prefer wearing glasses when using a computer. Whenever I wear contacts everything looks bigger that it should and it's harder to focus on things.
moron, your eyes continue to degrade. You know how you keep needing new glasses? Same thing.
All these surgeries literally turn your cornea into tiny glasses lenses.
There is no surgery to correct the lens itself (as almost everyone's lens they're born with is slightly not correct) nor the muscles that eventually fail (which is why your vision gets "worse"; the muscles cannot overcome the defect in your lens and the lens loses plasticity as well).
I wanted to have LASIK until I heard that it won't matter if I keep up my lifestyle of straining my eyes all the time (no sysadmin job, no reading books etc.)
Same. I honestly worry more and more about having to deal with living a very very lite of shithole post-apocalyptic type world sometimes. I'm fricked because of my eyes. Might as well be dead frankly because without corrective lenses it's over for me.
>Might as well be dead frankly because without corrective lenses it's over for me.
if shit truly hit the fan, 99% of this site would have way bigger issue to worry about than their glasses breaking
stop caring and be glad we don't treat diseases with bloodletting anymore
Poor eyesight (without correction) means no hunting, fishing, foraging safely, and really not able to do much of anything except be a burden to yourself and those around you. Might as well just get it over with and kys at that point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
post-civilization living would be hell by modern standards, and the people who think otherwise are either delusional larpers, or schizotypals who would tolerate hell if it meant being alone. we'd all neckrope anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Poor eyesight (without correction) means no hunting, fishing, foraging safely, and really not able to do much of anything except be a burden to yourself and those around you
Not if you're a hyperopic chad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Poor eyesight means ... no fishing
how the frick do you fish? you don't have to see them in the water.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>t. fishlet
depends on method if you do net fishing then ja you need less eyetism
but if you harpoon fishing or rod fishing then you need to see the bobble/line getting tight to hook the fish
I'm -1.75 I can kinda see shit sorta fine probably even drive generally need glasses contacts everyday though should I fly to Turkey and get correction surgery?
I'm too used to my glasses since I was a kid , plus it provides protection for my right eye since my left eye was born with optic nerve damage so I mostly only see out of my right. I'd basically be blind if something were to happen to it. Plus I get the bonus of since I have transitions lens they turn into sunglasses outside so I never have to worry about grabbing sunglasses.
Not him, just agreeing with you
Yeah my glasses have uv protection only. As do my contacts and I'm happy. I hate transition lenses. They just scream "I own an iPhone and I use Ubuntu and mawmie pays for everything I own!!!"
>you use thing so you must be like consumers of other things I don't like!
This is some tryhard shit. Maybe instead of lasik, you should have got soijak surgery.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I clearly stated that I wear glasses. I never got lasik. I'm not a moron like you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Notice how I didn't say you didn't wear glasses, or that you got lasik surgery - I said those posts were tryhard, because your opinions on people who use those glasses is circlejerky and way less useful to me than experiences of why they're bad.
yeah, and they're annoying when they transition back to normal too slowly. then you're stuck walking around a dark interior with sunglasses on looking like an asshat
>they're annoying when they transition back to normal too slowly
The transition speeds up over time. So after a few months it should take ~30s to darken; and probably 60 seconds the change back.
My biggest problem with these myopia reversal people is that they never explain how myopia happens in the first place, when I first realized my vision was bad, i had not grown up with computers or smartphones, i couldn't see shit on the school whiteboard and thought this was just normal.
They make it seem like corrective lenses are what cause myopia and no other societal factors like never having to look at or focus on any object more than 100 feet in any direction because you've lived in a city your whole life and buildings always block the horizon.
Every time I go to the woods, whenever i look down at some valley, i feel like my glasses aren't enough to focus on it correctly, I'm simply not used to seeing detail in scenes that are a mile or two away because I almost never get to see that far away in a city environment.
>Every time I go to the woods, whenever i look down at some valley, i feel like my glasses aren't enough to focus on it correctly, I'm simply not used to seeing detail in scenes that are a mile or two away because I almost never get to see that far away in a city environment.
“Infinity focus” is a few meters for the human eye. This should only be an issue if you never go outside. Maybe it’s time to get a new prescription.
My aunt did it in her late 40s. After 5 years she needed glasses. In her late 50s she needed bifocals. One of my cousins got it and 8 years later he says he will need glasses again soon as things are getting blurry again.
Frankly I think it is a scam. Sure it works, but then you will end up with glasses in at best 10 years, but now also with shaved eyes making contacts unavailable. Just use contacts if you hate glasses that much.
My experience has been good overall.
I did the normal LASIK.
For the first 6-12months i actually had 15/20 vision. Everything was so sharp and crisp it was astounding.
Now, 2.5 years later my vision is getting a bit blurrier again but thats not the fault of the surgery. My eyes were still slowly getting worse with age.
Night vision is much worse now though, halos and glare are pretty bad.
If I've been staring at a screen all day, my night vision is fricked..otherwise its fine.
Overall I'd still do it again.
Its so fricking incredibly nice to never wear glasses or fiddle with my contacts.
All glasses gays are coping hard if they say they don't mind. I thought that too... Until I didnt have to care.
Life changing.
I had Wavefront PRK 2-3 years ago, there isn't a flap and you can get LASIK later. Regression is really normal and is expected, mine only regressed 0.25 with astigmatism but I believe it is just irregular epithelium growth that can be fixed with another scraping + drops.
Get "No Touch PRK" - recovery is slow and first few days are painful - if you can and don't listen to schizos, its really worth it.
if PRK is less destructive than LASIK why is LASIK considered superior tech?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>why is LASIK considered superior tech
It doesn't hurt and recovery time is a day.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because you can go back to wageslaving after 24 hours, nevermind that the flap never actually heals over and can become infected later because the eye cells don't actually have any blood vessels or healing mechanism and they're completely ignored by the body's immune system, so diseases only fester.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>don't actually have any blood vessels or healing mechanism
Not completely wrong, but wrong still. To preserve clarity, it is functionally risky to have blood vessels exist on what should be a completely transparent tissue. So both nutrition, oxigenation, and immune and chemical protection comes just as abundant in the form of tears. Nutrient and gas diffusion occurs just as effectively, so the flap should heal just like any other average corneal insult.
This, don't fall for the flap israelite.
PRK is super simple by comparison, they rub off a thin layer of cornea, reshape underneath, and your cornea naturally heals over time.
Yeah, takes longer to get good vision, but being able to rub or wash out your eyes without worrying about a fricking flap flying loose and ruining your vision forever is worth it.
I ain't ever letting some smug, greedy optologist point their laser in my face. For most people, myopia can be halted or even reversed with the right type of stimulus. I've gone from past -6 to currently -4.25 through change of habit and correct stimulus.
yeah homie let me not use my glasses for a few years and swap an eyepatch between my eyes every 30 minutes for the rest of my life
get the frick off of 技術
My biggest problem with these myopia reversal people is that they never explain how myopia happens in the first place, when I first realized my vision was bad, i had not grown up with computers or smartphones, i couldn't see shit on the school whiteboard and thought this was just normal.
They make it seem like corrective lenses are what cause myopia and no other societal factors like never having to look at or focus on any object more than 100 feet in any direction because you've lived in a city your whole life and buildings always block the horizon.
Every time I go to the woods, whenever i look down at some valley, i feel like my glasses aren't enough to focus on it correctly, I'm simply not used to seeing detail in scenes that are a mile or two away because I almost never get to see that far away in a city environment.
Not sure about Relax smile, but while Lasik is extremely save I wouldn't take the risk, apparently some people suffer from Halos and dry eyes.
In any case our childhood is detrimental for good eyesight. The main 2 reasons are not getting enough sunlight, and starring at a screen/blackboard/book for many hours.
I do believe we should emphasize eye health more. 80 percent of teens in Singapore need Glases. It's baffling that people just accept that as normal.
None of what you said is correct and is literal superstition tier nonsense.
You are literally unironically born with eyes as good or bad as they're going to be and grow to that potential outcome as a consequence of aging.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5829843/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29450383/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6020759/ >You are born with your eyesight
Then how come the majority of Chinese people born in Singapore need Glases at such an extremely high rate? If it's not for the fact that it's an extremely competitive environment with children spending the entire day in front of a screen or book with almost no sunlight exposure, then how come genetically similar people don't need Glases at such high rates in other countries.
This is true, and it can be fixed by just having kids read in direct sunlight. They're a tropical country too so it shouldn't be hard at all, an open window might even be good enough.
Has there been any research into the exact spectrum and intensity needed to induce the growth stalling mechanism? Could also work for designing light bulbs that don't literally make you go blind
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure about the wavelength of artificial light, but the intensity of the light is much lower. We don't realize it, but even an Overcast day is much brighter than most artificial lights.
>We don't realize it
I do. pretty obvious if you compare the details you can see looking at yourself in the mirror indoors vs outdoors. Another easy example is fabric. just look at your cloths indoors vs outdoors.
>You are literally unironically born with eyes as good or bad as they're going to be and grow to that potential outcome as a consequence of aging.
None of what you said is correct and is literal superstition tier nonsense. It has been proven there is mechanisms that affect eye development, strongest one being sun exposure.
A computer system tracks the patient's eye position 60 to 4,000 times per second, depending on the specifications of the laser that is used. The computer system redirects laser pulses for precise laser placement. Most modern lasers will automatically center on the patient's visual axis and will pause if the eye moves out of range and then resume ablating at that point after the patient's eye is re-centered.
The outer layer of the cornea, or epithelium, is a soft, rapidly regrowing layer in contact with the tear film that can completely replace itself from limbal stem cells within a few days with no loss of clarity. The deeper layers of the cornea, as opposed to the outer epithelium, are laid down early in life and have very limited regenerative capacity. The deeper layers, if reshaped by a laser or cut by a microtome, will remain that way permanently with only limited healing or remodeling.
With PRK, the corneal epithelium is removed and discarded, allowing the cells to regenerate after the surgery. The procedure is distinct from LASIK (laser-assisted in-situ keratomileusis), a form of laser eye surgery where a permanent flap is created in the deeper layers of the cornea.
who's israeliteing who in the vision improvement market? are the glasses israelites israeliteing the contact israelite? Is the contact israelite israeliteing the lasik israelite? I dont know who.
They both get a healthy slice of the pie, since corrective lenses objectively make your vision worse over time, making you require stronger lenses every time.
morons here getting q surgery and then doing the same exact shit as they did before causing them to lose eyesight. Like wtf do you expect? If you strain your eyes all day, they will get bad. Lasik gives you a fresh start, take care of your eyes like a normal person and you'll be fine.
the only other thing i worry for besides deterioration after surgery is if it might cause migraines
some of my glasses lenses are stronger than others, and while i need the stronger ones on paper my entire head feels like exploding after hours of wearing them
i don't know how much stress it would cause for me, but to be fair i'm no doctor and very dumb so maybe it's just needless paranoia
some eyeballs are born super scuffed like how people are just born with nonfunctional legs and no amount of "training" can fix it unless it involves surgery
Migraines with bad eyesight are usually either because of astigmatism or because the lenses are mismatched and you have different corrected acuity with different eyes. If your eyes are not way too fricked and you can attain normal acuity with both eyes after the surgery then you'll have less migraines, or even none at all.
I looked into them, and they are a meme. I lmao at the comments going >duuuuude, it's perfect, literally zero problems, I've had my surgery 8 months ago, and now I only have to use eyedrops 2 times a day
Back then I got the choice between LASIK and PRK, and I did extensive research on the issue. Turned out LASIK was trash.
It looks like a miracle, people stand up and say "wow I can see everything!", and the recovery is near immediate. But not only does it have the most possible immediate complications, it also has long term side effects. The scar never fully heals and remains slightly opaque in some parts, which is especially terrible in low light, as looking at a bright light makes it shine like a huge ring, obscuring vision.
PRK is painful and recovery takes days, but it has next to no side effects, in fact my eyes show no trace of the the surgery having happened, I have perfect eyesight, flawless low light visibility, and zero side effects after 10 years.
That's just how it is, deal with it. Funny how PRK is supposedly the one with the most side effects, but that's not really what happens. No one complains about PRK, everybody complains about LASIK side effects.
That's just because much more people chose LASIK over PRK. Corneal haze almost never happens after LASIK but even with the use of mitomycin it still not that uncommon after PRK.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not completely moronic anon, I can understand the difference between a total and a ratio. I didn't base this opinion on hearsay, there are reports and studies on the subject.
during night does anyone see weak little lights that worsen the vision? they are always there, always.
i don't know if it's normal but i think i have never seen true dark.
every doctor i have visited has no idea what it is.
i did all the tests and everything is normal.
Never wearing glasses.
Never wearing contacts.
Never ever getting surgery.
I'm pretty sure refusing to do any of the above actually slowed down the sight degradation. I think I lost 0.25 or 0.50 in like 5 years, euro units, whatever they mean.
I have just -1.00 sphere but -1.00 astigmatism, thinking about getting this for a long time. Then again, I barely wear glasses or contacts, I just live my life slightly blurry lmao.
Had LASIK over a decade ago, it was amazing for about 8 years then it started to get worse. I would say my eyes are about what I was originally at, was 8 years of being able to see worth it? Probably. No idea if I can get it again, I'd probably do it again if I wasn't a hopeless neet
I considered lasik but I don't want to take the risk for non reversable complications. Glasses are good enough for me and I have multiple pairs for use in the sun, swimming, and for using helmets.
If you want comfortable glasses you gotta get the highest index possible and avoid chink plastic frames.
I got it in 2019 at LasikPlus when I was in my late 30s. I've needed glasses to see all of my life, because I was almost blind without them. I felt so weak and helpless with poor eyesight. I thought Lasik would help my life, but I was wrong. They give you eye tests, treat you nice, and sell Lasik and PRK like you're at a car dealership. They will tell pretty much anyone that they can get the surgery because money and it's not their eyes. The day of my surgery, I signed legal papers and papers with all the side effects that might happen. Then saw the israelite surgeon for the first time and we talked for a few minutes. Then I paid and got the surgery and it gave me some PTSD. After it was over I could see and everything was fine. Days later I could open my eyes again and everything was clear and I was so happy, but I had, floaters, dry eye, starbursts, and my night vision sucked. They told me it'll go away in a few months, but it all never went away. 3 months later, my vision started getting blurry, LasikPlus gave me a glasses prescription and denied they caused anything. Throughout the 3 years, my vision pretty much returned to what it was, I developed basement membrane dystrophy, been to all kinds of eye doctors, went through all kinds of contacts, went though all kinds eye drops, went through all kinds of medicines, went through all kinds of vitamins, went though all kinds of eye pain, and went though just trying to get some kind of help to get my life back. Just look up all the laser eye surgery complications that has happened to people. It doesn't matter, who you are, where you go, which doctor it is, or how much money you spend. The procedures are all lasers that are cutting, burning off, and destroying nerves in your corneas. Nobody should do any kind of laser eye surgery and you take a gamble when you have any kind of surgery. Don't listen to the shills, this shit needs to be banned.
Sorry man. I can relate to the "helpless without glasses" thing so much, but I'd rather feel helpless in that way than what you've got.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Glasses and contacts are the way to go. People need to accept they have bad eyesight and laser eye surgery is not a cure. Never listen to anyone about glasses and contacts being bad and having to replace them all the time. You can replace glasses and contacts, you can't replace your eyes. The only medically necessary laser eye surgery and lens implants that someone would need is for things like treating glaucoma and restoring vision after cataract surgery. Even the medically necessary laser eye surgery and lens implants can have bad outcomes. Like I said, all surgeries have risks. I've learned so much about eyes and how fragile they are in 3 years. I hope someday we'll have nerve regenerating technology and a way to restore corneas without transplants. I've made myself sick and depressed, I'm going to take a few Tylenols and go to sleep.
Yeah, I'm embracing being a nerd with glasses. Maybe I'll do contacts sometimes. But never any corrective surgery. I'm sorry that happened to you mate.
I had Lasik when I was 19.5 years old, essentially the youngest age the Doctors felt comfortable doing the procedure. They essentially told me I'd probably have to have the procedure done again when I was in my 40s/50s.
Anyways, this was back in 2008. My vision has been 20/20 ever since and it was at a cost of $2,400. So I feel that the cost has been very justified and probably paid for itself by now in regards to eye dr fee's and glasses replacements, never wore contacts.
The only negative I would say is that I experience a greater starburst effect from lights while driving at nighttime than before I had Lasik done. It isn't really that bad, but if it is I have a pair of yellow tinting nighttime driving glasses which completely eliminates the effect.
10/10 would do all over again if needed. Plus I obviously look way better without the glasses and it was a nice boon for my college years.
I go outside regularly, it did nothing to improve my eyesight, I still need Glases.
Going outside won't magically fix your sight. It's important for children so their eyesight doesn't start deteriorating, but once you need you can't just change that by going outside.
your fricking eyes are biological and not software. you stop healing so much as you get older. don't frick with something that requires multiple surgical procedures, ever, because your body doesn't like that shit. Scarring over can happen and then you'll have cloudy vision. Or you know, do it, and be the guinea pig for the rest of us. Whatever.
My in law keeps seeing lights and shit after the procedure. Very bad experience and now she's fricked forever. I'm never touching my eyes with that shit.
I risked it, I do think that my eyes are forever more sensitive. I wouldnt want to swim with open eyes, that could destroy them now imo. I mean I was never a fan but this is an example I give. It's been ~3 years now and I still think that my eyes are more sensitive than before. Otherwise it was worth it, glasses feel like a cage.
I wouldn't count on it. The surgical procedures that they are doing today - LASIK, was made in 1948. Really started being offered to the public about 20 years ago. And is still fricking garbage compared to where it SHOULD be. You have a higher chance waiting for stem cell regeneration than thinking this shit will be where eye improvement will be in another 20 years. It's horribly fricking behind other technological areas and I cannot suggest it.
That isn't to say I don't know some people who had good outcomes. But I also know just as many people who had pretty shitty outcomes. You only get one pair of eyes, take care of them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Mr. Anon, the contract clearly stipulates in the fine print that every touch up will be done using the same technology as the first surgery. Please, sit down and let our 80 years old surgeon do his magic.
You guys work for Big Glasses don't you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't be ridiculous! There's no such thing as "Big Glasses".
>Mr. Anon, the contract clearly stipulates in the fine print that every touch up will be done using the same technology as the first surgery. Please, sit down and let our 80 years old surgeon do his magic.
Was good at the beginning, now my eyes are much worse. Just a scam, for most people it's not permanent and in the end worse.
what method did you use? and what happened, did your cornea change shape?
i'm interested in relex smile because my vision is really bad (glasses are -13.0 index)
>glasses are -13.0 index
Holy shit that's bad. My father had Lasik ~20 years ago and his vision is still fine, his vision was a -6.5 though. Mine is -4.25, I'm thinking of getting lasik too.
yeah it sucks and most glasses look like shit on me because of how severe the refraction is
If you're beyond about -7 or -8 you can't get laser eye surgery. Its literally too late for you.
relex smile can do it bro
No, it can't. The chances of having to get repeat surgery or simply failing go up astronomically beyond 6, and by 10 they generally won't even attempt it. There's little chance for correction and a very high chance for deviation.
relex smile is for people whose index is -8 or worse
I'm -8.5 and I've had long-term opticians tell me that it isn't worth it long term. So many people with astigmatism (wrong shape) come out worse in the long run, or just aging makes it worse. Right now its just a butcher shop of lasers and hoping for the best.
The only thing I have heard good things about overall is complete artificial cornea replacement. I know three older people who have had it, two had very good results, one was kind of not a good example as she had an already deeply fricked situation and it was hard to tell if the outcome was worse than what would have naturally progressed.
Ha you're fricking blind bud
-14 here
I feel your pain dude
I just never take my contacts out and LARP that I have good eyes.
>contacts
enjoy your inevitable infection
just use dailies lol
most contacts have a max index of -12 tho. i'm fortunate that despite my -13 glasses i can get away with -12 contact lenses, and i pray my eyes don't get any worse
How is the night vision, significantly different?
I would never do it, I rather wear my stupid glasses than this mostly because of stories like this
honestly give contacts a shot, yes they will cost more than a pair of glasses but if you like how you look in contacts, they are great. I wear dailies. pop em in in the morning, pop em out before bed. ez pz no way am I putting a frickin laser in my eye cmon now WHAT?
>he puts tiny little plastic lenses on top of his eyeballs
You're a frickin' freak mate
I'd trust the lasers sooner
contacts make driving hard for me. Also I feel like I have to focus a lot more on things to "analyze" them, especially in the evening after whole day of dealing with monitors. Like I can see something clearly but have to fire-up some additional brain cells to tell what does it mean.
I always prefer wearing glasses when using a computer. Whenever I wear contacts everything looks bigger that it should and it's harder to focus on things.
this.
>contacts
vision very good eyes can get dry THOUGH
>glasses
world turns into a fisheye and has chromatic abberation
moron, your eyes continue to degrade. You know how you keep needing new glasses? Same thing.
All these surgeries literally turn your cornea into tiny glasses lenses.
There is no surgery to correct the lens itself (as almost everyone's lens they're born with is slightly not correct) nor the muscles that eventually fail (which is why your vision gets "worse"; the muscles cannot overcome the defect in your lens and the lens loses plasticity as well).
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>the muscles that eventually fail
Unironically, train them.
I wanted to have LASIK until I heard that it won't matter if I keep up my lifestyle of straining my eyes all the time (no sysadmin job, no reading books etc.)
i would like perfect vision, but i am not going to risk worse vision just for the slight convenience of no contact lenses when i go out.
Same. I honestly worry more and more about having to deal with living a very very lite of shithole post-apocalyptic type world sometimes. I'm fricked because of my eyes. Might as well be dead frankly because without corrective lenses it's over for me.
>Might as well be dead frankly because without corrective lenses it's over for me.
if shit truly hit the fan, 99% of this site would have way bigger issue to worry about than their glasses breaking
stop caring and be glad we don't treat diseases with bloodletting anymore
Poor eyesight (without correction) means no hunting, fishing, foraging safely, and really not able to do much of anything except be a burden to yourself and those around you. Might as well just get it over with and kys at that point.
post-civilization living would be hell by modern standards, and the people who think otherwise are either delusional larpers, or schizotypals who would tolerate hell if it meant being alone. we'd all neckrope anyway.
>Poor eyesight (without correction) means no hunting, fishing, foraging safely, and really not able to do much of anything except be a burden to yourself and those around you
Not if you're a hyperopic chad.
>Poor eyesight means ... no fishing
how the frick do you fish? you don't have to see them in the water.
>t. fishlet
depends on method if you do net fishing then ja you need less eyetism
but if you harpoon fishing or rod fishing then you need to see the bobble/line getting tight to hook the fish
Frick off and buy a heavy duty pair of glasses and attach them to a holder/wire around your neck so you never lose them plus a backup pair.
Holy frick you're stupid.
Poor eyesight is caused by society anyways, give up sugar and enjoy seeing hair growing from pores on people's noses standing 6ft away
Also being older than 30
Why the frick would I hunt, fish or forage for food when I can just go to the store?
Pick up a biology textbook you moron
>pick up a propaganda book
no thanks
>contact lenses
enjoy your inevitable infection
That's one way to tell everyone you're moronic without actually coming out and saying it
enjoy your inevitable infection
Enjoy your death from full blown AIDS
eye lasers are cool. i got one for a fungal infection in my eye that almost made me a cripple
I'm -1.75 I can kinda see shit sorta fine probably even drive generally need glasses contacts everyday though should I fly to Turkey and get correction surgery?
only if you wanna go blind lol
uchiha bros we dabin on this losers
just squint bro
I don't get this saying. It has never once actually helped me read something easier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinhole_glasses
Same mechanism
best money i ever spent
>did it degrade?
ya close to my 40s. still better than it ever was.
I'm too used to my glasses since I was a kid , plus it provides protection for my right eye since my left eye was born with optic nerve damage so I mostly only see out of my right. I'd basically be blind if something were to happen to it. Plus I get the bonus of since I have transitions lens they turn into sunglasses outside so I never have to worry about grabbing sunglasses.
Transition lenses make you look like a underweight basement dweller
Not him, just agreeing with you
Yeah my glasses have uv protection only. As do my contacts and I'm happy. I hate transition lenses. They just scream "I own an iPhone and I use Ubuntu and mawmie pays for everything I own!!!"
>you use thing so you must be like consumers of other things I don't like!
This is some tryhard shit. Maybe instead of lasik, you should have got soijak surgery.
I clearly stated that I wear glasses. I never got lasik. I'm not a moron like you.
Notice how I didn't say you didn't wear glasses, or that you got lasik surgery - I said those posts were tryhard, because your opinions on people who use those glasses is circlejerky and way less useful to me than experiences of why they're bad.
Oh well, that's how it is then. I know who I am.
yeah, and they're annoying when they transition back to normal too slowly. then you're stuck walking around a dark interior with sunglasses on looking like an asshat
>they're annoying when they transition back to normal too slowly
The transition speeds up over time. So after a few months it should take ~30s to darken; and probably 60 seconds the change back.
>Every time I go to the woods, whenever i look down at some valley, i feel like my glasses aren't enough to focus on it correctly, I'm simply not used to seeing detail in scenes that are a mile or two away because I almost never get to see that far away in a city environment.
“Infinity focus” is a few meters for the human eye. This should only be an issue if you never go outside. Maybe it’s time to get a new prescription.
>corrective lenses objectively make your vision worse over time
Lying on the internet doesn’t make you cool, anon.
Can I get lasik/relex smile if I have very dry eyes and sensitivity to light?
It all depends on the thickness of your cornea.
My aunt did it in her late 40s. After 5 years she needed glasses. In her late 50s she needed bifocals. One of my cousins got it and 8 years later he says he will need glasses again soon as things are getting blurry again.
Frankly I think it is a scam. Sure it works, but then you will end up with glasses in at best 10 years, but now also with shaved eyes making contacts unavailable. Just use contacts if you hate glasses that much.
My experience has been good overall.
I did the normal LASIK.
For the first 6-12months i actually had 15/20 vision. Everything was so sharp and crisp it was astounding.
Now, 2.5 years later my vision is getting a bit blurrier again but thats not the fault of the surgery. My eyes were still slowly getting worse with age.
Night vision is much worse now though, halos and glare are pretty bad.
If I've been staring at a screen all day, my night vision is fricked..otherwise its fine.
Overall I'd still do it again.
Its so fricking incredibly nice to never wear glasses or fiddle with my contacts.
All glasses gays are coping hard if they say they don't mind. I thought that too... Until I didnt have to care.
Life changing.
I had Wavefront PRK 2-3 years ago, there isn't a flap and you can get LASIK later. Regression is really normal and is expected, mine only regressed 0.25 with astigmatism but I believe it is just irregular epithelium growth that can be fixed with another scraping + drops.
Get "No Touch PRK" - recovery is slow and first few days are painful - if you can and don't listen to schizos, its really worth it.
whats the advantage over lasik?
>LASIK
No flap, you don't get your nerves cut. (Dry eyes)
You can only get LASIK once. (You can get LASIK after PRK)
>SMILE
picrel
if PRK is less destructive than LASIK why is LASIK considered superior tech?
>why is LASIK considered superior tech
It doesn't hurt and recovery time is a day.
Because you can go back to wageslaving after 24 hours, nevermind that the flap never actually heals over and can become infected later because the eye cells don't actually have any blood vessels or healing mechanism and they're completely ignored by the body's immune system, so diseases only fester.
>don't actually have any blood vessels or healing mechanism
Not completely wrong, but wrong still. To preserve clarity, it is functionally risky to have blood vessels exist on what should be a completely transparent tissue. So both nutrition, oxigenation, and immune and chemical protection comes just as abundant in the form of tears. Nutrient and gas diffusion occurs just as effectively, so the flap should heal just like any other average corneal insult.
this pic doesn't make sense
i thought PRK didn't cut off a flap
why the flap is off?
laser, brush, blade, or alcohol solution to remove the epithelium, or the outer layer of the cornea
Heals back
This, don't fall for the flap israelite.
PRK is super simple by comparison, they rub off a thin layer of cornea, reshape underneath, and your cornea naturally heals over time.
Yeah, takes longer to get good vision, but being able to rub or wash out your eyes without worrying about a fricking flap flying loose and ruining your vision forever is worth it.
what about implanted lenses
I'll never do eye surgery, just buy better glasses
easy for the guy without -13.0 vision to say
I don't know what that means, I have around 9 degrees in myopia, possibly more as it has been years since my last eye check
I ain't ever letting some smug, greedy optologist point their laser in my face. For most people, myopia can be halted or even reversed with the right type of stimulus. I've gone from past -6 to currently -4.25 through change of habit and correct stimulus.
yeah homie let me not use my glasses for a few years and swap an eyepatch between my eyes every 30 minutes for the rest of my life
get the frick off of 技術
shut up queer
dont do it anon, you are risking your eyes.
https://lasikcomplications.com/
>permanent dark circles
I'll stay with glasses
No. I don't want more higher order aberrations.
I was able to smell the small piece of my cornea they cooked and boy was that a strange experience.
Try this, it might be a meme but it's worth a try.
https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/EndMyopia_Wiki
My biggest problem with these myopia reversal people is that they never explain how myopia happens in the first place, when I first realized my vision was bad, i had not grown up with computers or smartphones, i couldn't see shit on the school whiteboard and thought this was just normal.
They make it seem like corrective lenses are what cause myopia and no other societal factors like never having to look at or focus on any object more than 100 feet in any direction because you've lived in a city your whole life and buildings always block the horizon.
Every time I go to the woods, whenever i look down at some valley, i feel like my glasses aren't enough to focus on it correctly, I'm simply not used to seeing detail in scenes that are a mile or two away because I almost never get to see that far away in a city environment.
Not sure about Relax smile, but while Lasik is extremely save I wouldn't take the risk, apparently some people suffer from Halos and dry eyes.
In any case our childhood is detrimental for good eyesight. The main 2 reasons are not getting enough sunlight, and starring at a screen/blackboard/book for many hours.
I do believe we should emphasize eye health more. 80 percent of teens in Singapore need Glases. It's baffling that people just accept that as normal.
None of what you said is correct and is literal superstition tier nonsense.
You are literally unironically born with eyes as good or bad as they're going to be and grow to that potential outcome as a consequence of aging.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5829843/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29450383/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6020759/
>You are born with your eyesight
Then how come the majority of Chinese people born in Singapore need Glases at such an extremely high rate? If it's not for the fact that it's an extremely competitive environment with children spending the entire day in front of a screen or book with almost no sunlight exposure, then how come genetically similar people don't need Glases at such high rates in other countries.
This is true, and it can be fixed by just having kids read in direct sunlight. They're a tropical country too so it shouldn't be hard at all, an open window might even be good enough.
Has there been any research into the exact spectrum and intensity needed to induce the growth stalling mechanism? Could also work for designing light bulbs that don't literally make you go blind
I'm not sure about the wavelength of artificial light, but the intensity of the light is much lower. We don't realize it, but even an Overcast day is much brighter than most artificial lights.
Forgot to post pic
>We don't realize it
I do. pretty obvious if you compare the details you can see looking at yourself in the mirror indoors vs outdoors. Another easy example is fabric. just look at your cloths indoors vs outdoors.
>You are literally unironically born with eyes as good or bad as they're going to be and grow to that potential outcome as a consequence of aging.
None of what you said is correct and is literal superstition tier nonsense. It has been proven there is mechanisms that affect eye development, strongest one being sun exposure.
I have starburst and halos but they are pretty mild. Dry eyes are a common problem that usually last few months till nerves regenerate.
How do they make sure your eye is facing the correct direction? Having my eyes messed with makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable.
t. moron with passable eyesight
What??
A computer system tracks the patient's eye position 60 to 4,000 times per second, depending on the specifications of the laser that is used. The computer system redirects laser pulses for precise laser placement. Most modern lasers will automatically center on the patient's visual axis and will pause if the eye moves out of range and then resume ablating at that point after the patient's eye is re-centered.
The outer layer of the cornea, or epithelium, is a soft, rapidly regrowing layer in contact with the tear film that can completely replace itself from limbal stem cells within a few days with no loss of clarity. The deeper layers of the cornea, as opposed to the outer epithelium, are laid down early in life and have very limited regenerative capacity. The deeper layers, if reshaped by a laser or cut by a microtome, will remain that way permanently with only limited healing or remodeling.
With PRK, the corneal epithelium is removed and discarded, allowing the cells to regenerate after the surgery. The procedure is distinct from LASIK (laser-assisted in-situ keratomileusis), a form of laser eye surgery where a permanent flap is created in the deeper layers of the cornea.
im seriously considering one of these options, which one would you suggest?
Are you really asking for a medical advice on an imageboard? He copied his post from wikipedia, by the way.
sure why not im a little drunk so i might as well take advice from strangers
Pour some bleach in your eyes. That's basically the same as they do when they prep you for PRK anyway.
Just ask your eye doctor
-8 in one eye, -9.50 in the other. Is it too late for me?
doing water fasting, intensive stretching and keeping my skin moist moves me from -10 to -2.
anyone can relate to that?
>contacts $200 for a 6 month supply
>contact solution $25 for a month supply
lasik pays for itself in three years
who's israeliteing who in the vision improvement market? are the glasses israelites israeliteing the contact israelite? Is the contact israelite israeliteing the lasik israelite? I dont know who.
They both get a healthy slice of the pie, since corrective lenses objectively make your vision worse over time, making you require stronger lenses every time.
I got it but i worry it is going to wear off… my right eye is not doing so well bros…
Me too bro.. Oh well, worst case we just have to get glasses again.
Wont your cornea pop out if you get bonked on the head? seems pretty dangerous tbh
depressing thread tbh
scales literally form on your cornea after 12-15 years, guaranteed
PRK
no flap.
embrace the pain.
>letting a computer (the antichrist) modify your body directly
I'll just stick to glasses, thanks.
morons here getting q surgery and then doing the same exact shit as they did before causing them to lose eyesight. Like wtf do you expect? If you strain your eyes all day, they will get bad. Lasik gives you a fresh start, take care of your eyes like a normal person and you'll be fine.
I'm getting a neuralink camera mounted on top of my head with robocop vision
based
> - 23.5 on both eyes
agony
holy frick post a pic of your glasses
if you are over 8+ or something you dont wear glasses, you are forced on eye contacts
if eyes are a muscle, can't you just train them to recover?
the only other thing i worry for besides deterioration after surgery is if it might cause migraines
some of my glasses lenses are stronger than others, and while i need the stronger ones on paper my entire head feels like exploding after hours of wearing them
i don't know how much stress it would cause for me, but to be fair i'm no doctor and very dumb so maybe it's just needless paranoia
some eyeballs are born super scuffed like how people are just born with nonfunctional legs and no amount of "training" can fix it unless it involves surgery
Migraines with bad eyesight are usually either because of astigmatism or because the lenses are mismatched and you have different corrected acuity with different eyes. If your eyes are not way too fricked and you can attain normal acuity with both eyes after the surgery then you'll have less migraines, or even none at all.
Had FemtoLASIK seven years ago, now my vision is so good I can see the people who wear glasses and contacts for what they are - subhuman scum.
cui bono? - the israelites!
first they came for your foreskin. now they come for your eyes. lasik refractive surgery is literally circumcision for the cornea.
why are amerimutts like this?
https://eyedocmackay.com/complications-of-lasik/
I looked into them, and they are a meme. I lmao at the comments going
>duuuuude, it's perfect, literally zero problems, I've had my surgery 8 months ago, and now I only have to use eyedrops 2 times a day
Why do you need lasers when you have the sun?
Back then I got the choice between LASIK and PRK, and I did extensive research on the issue. Turned out LASIK was trash.
It looks like a miracle, people stand up and say "wow I can see everything!", and the recovery is near immediate. But not only does it have the most possible immediate complications, it also has long term side effects. The scar never fully heals and remains slightly opaque in some parts, which is especially terrible in low light, as looking at a bright light makes it shine like a huge ring, obscuring vision.
PRK is painful and recovery takes days, but it has next to no side effects, in fact my eyes show no trace of the the surgery having happened, I have perfect eyesight, flawless low light visibility, and zero side effects after 10 years.
So yeah, frick LASIK.
Your research was shit and you just got lucky.
That's just how it is, deal with it. Funny how PRK is supposedly the one with the most side effects, but that's not really what happens. No one complains about PRK, everybody complains about LASIK side effects.
That's just because much more people chose LASIK over PRK. Corneal haze almost never happens after LASIK but even with the use of mitomycin it still not that uncommon after PRK.
I'm not completely moronic anon, I can understand the difference between a total and a ratio. I didn't base this opinion on hearsay, there are reports and studies on the subject.
LASIK shill is gay
during night does anyone see weak little lights that worsen the vision? they are always there, always.
i don't know if it's normal but i think i have never seen true dark.
every doctor i have visited has no idea what it is.
i did all the tests and everything is normal.
>ctrl-f "lens induced myopia"
>0 results
Have fun murdering your eyes with literal lasers, gays.
>fricking with your eyes
stop it
Never wearing glasses.
Never wearing contacts.
Never ever getting surgery.
I'm pretty sure refusing to do any of the above actually slowed down the sight degradation. I think I lost 0.25 or 0.50 in like 5 years, euro units, whatever they mean.
>degradation
You vision should not change at all between 25-50 years or later if you have good genes.
I have just -1.00 sphere but -1.00 astigmatism, thinking about getting this for a long time. Then again, I barely wear glasses or contacts, I just live my life slightly blurry lmao.
Had LASIK over a decade ago, it was amazing for about 8 years then it started to get worse. I would say my eyes are about what I was originally at, was 8 years of being able to see worth it? Probably. No idea if I can get it again, I'd probably do it again if I wasn't a hopeless neet
I considered lasik but I don't want to take the risk for non reversable complications. Glasses are good enough for me and I have multiple pairs for use in the sun, swimming, and for using helmets.
If you want comfortable glasses you gotta get the highest index possible and avoid chink plastic frames.
https://lasikcomplications.com/suicide.htm
I want SMILE but I’m scared of the horror stories and possibly getting neuralgia
38 y/o 20/20 reporting in
What's all this eye surgery nonsense?
Lasik destroyed my eyes and my life
Story?
I got it in 2019 at LasikPlus when I was in my late 30s. I've needed glasses to see all of my life, because I was almost blind without them. I felt so weak and helpless with poor eyesight. I thought Lasik would help my life, but I was wrong. They give you eye tests, treat you nice, and sell Lasik and PRK like you're at a car dealership. They will tell pretty much anyone that they can get the surgery because money and it's not their eyes. The day of my surgery, I signed legal papers and papers with all the side effects that might happen. Then saw the israelite surgeon for the first time and we talked for a few minutes. Then I paid and got the surgery and it gave me some PTSD. After it was over I could see and everything was fine. Days later I could open my eyes again and everything was clear and I was so happy, but I had, floaters, dry eye, starbursts, and my night vision sucked. They told me it'll go away in a few months, but it all never went away. 3 months later, my vision started getting blurry, LasikPlus gave me a glasses prescription and denied they caused anything. Throughout the 3 years, my vision pretty much returned to what it was, I developed basement membrane dystrophy, been to all kinds of eye doctors, went through all kinds of contacts, went though all kinds eye drops, went through all kinds of medicines, went through all kinds of vitamins, went though all kinds of eye pain, and went though just trying to get some kind of help to get my life back. Just look up all the laser eye surgery complications that has happened to people. It doesn't matter, who you are, where you go, which doctor it is, or how much money you spend. The procedures are all lasers that are cutting, burning off, and destroying nerves in your corneas. Nobody should do any kind of laser eye surgery and you take a gamble when you have any kind of surgery. Don't listen to the shills, this shit needs to be banned.
Sorry man. I can relate to the "helpless without glasses" thing so much, but I'd rather feel helpless in that way than what you've got.
Glasses and contacts are the way to go. People need to accept they have bad eyesight and laser eye surgery is not a cure. Never listen to anyone about glasses and contacts being bad and having to replace them all the time. You can replace glasses and contacts, you can't replace your eyes. The only medically necessary laser eye surgery and lens implants that someone would need is for things like treating glaucoma and restoring vision after cataract surgery. Even the medically necessary laser eye surgery and lens implants can have bad outcomes. Like I said, all surgeries have risks. I've learned so much about eyes and how fragile they are in 3 years. I hope someday we'll have nerve regenerating technology and a way to restore corneas without transplants. I've made myself sick and depressed, I'm going to take a few Tylenols and go to sleep.
Yeah, I'm embracing being a nerd with glasses. Maybe I'll do contacts sometimes. But never any corrective surgery. I'm sorry that happened to you mate.
considered lasik, corneas too thin
frick the other cornea ablation madness
knew 2 people who had lasik
they couldnt see for about a week
after the 2nd or 3rd week everything was fine
I had Lasik when I was 19.5 years old, essentially the youngest age the Doctors felt comfortable doing the procedure. They essentially told me I'd probably have to have the procedure done again when I was in my 40s/50s.
Anyways, this was back in 2008. My vision has been 20/20 ever since and it was at a cost of $2,400. So I feel that the cost has been very justified and probably paid for itself by now in regards to eye dr fee's and glasses replacements, never wore contacts.
The only negative I would say is that I experience a greater starburst effect from lights while driving at nighttime than before I had Lasik done. It isn't really that bad, but if it is I have a pair of yellow tinting nighttime driving glasses which completely eliminates the effect.
10/10 would do all over again if needed. Plus I obviously look way better without the glasses and it was a nice boon for my college years.
Go outside, view the world. It will fix your sight. Stop fricking yourselves
I go outside regularly, it did nothing to improve my eyesight, I still need Glases.
Going outside won't magically fix your sight. It's important for children so their eyesight doesn't start deteriorating, but once you need you can't just change that by going outside.
nah mate, some people are fricked big time
your fricking eyes are biological and not software. you stop healing so much as you get older. don't frick with something that requires multiple surgical procedures, ever, because your body doesn't like that shit. Scarring over can happen and then you'll have cloudy vision. Or you know, do it, and be the guinea pig for the rest of us. Whatever.
My in law keeps seeing lights and shit after the procedure. Very bad experience and now she's fricked forever. I'm never touching my eyes with that shit.
I risked it, I do think that my eyes are forever more sensitive. I wouldnt want to swim with open eyes, that could destroy them now imo. I mean I was never a fan but this is an example I give. It's been ~3 years now and I still think that my eyes are more sensitive than before. Otherwise it was worth it, glasses feel like a cage.
>I wouldnt want to swim with open eyes, that could destroy them now imo.
No, it can't, lmao.
>twigs and little pebbles of dirt dont exist
They aren't gonna do shit.
I'm about to get lasik in July bros, they said they do lifetime updates for free. Whats the catch?
>oops, sorry, your eyes are too fricked up for the third touch up
But I'm 27 anons won't it be good until I'm like fifty then I'll get touchup with advanced tech and be done until the singularity?
I wouldn't count on it. The surgical procedures that they are doing today - LASIK, was made in 1948. Really started being offered to the public about 20 years ago. And is still fricking garbage compared to where it SHOULD be. You have a higher chance waiting for stem cell regeneration than thinking this shit will be where eye improvement will be in another 20 years. It's horribly fricking behind other technological areas and I cannot suggest it.
That isn't to say I don't know some people who had good outcomes. But I also know just as many people who had pretty shitty outcomes. You only get one pair of eyes, take care of them.
You guys work for Big Glasses don't you?
Don't be ridiculous! There's no such thing as "Big Glasses".
>Mr. Anon, the contract clearly stipulates in the fine print that every touch up will be done using the same technology as the first surgery. Please, sit down and let our 80 years old surgeon do his magic.
i have -5 on both of my eyes and i would like to stop the israelite to buy lens every 6 months. what procedure is the best? prk? smile? lasek?
smile > lasik > prk
lasEk is prk
thanks anon. my only fear is that being on university books all day will bring back my shitty vision after a while.
Smile is the latest and most advanced
just stop wearing contacts or glasses and your eyesight will return lol
>just stop wearing prosthetics and your limbs will grow back
my eye sight has been roughly this bad since i was in preschool. it's not getting better, dude.