>What's stopping rustaceans from forking systemd and adding Rust?
unbelievable but the same issues that Poettering described. Rust is a bloat language that struggles with any architecture that is not mainstream. Replacing entirety of Linux with Rust would mean it can only run on the modern x86 desktops and servers. ARM support got added only recently. Linux gained such popularity for being the exact opposite.
>Replacing entirety of Linux with Rust would mean it can only run on the modern x86 desktops and servers
not it wouldn't >ARM support got added only recently
no it wasn't recently
>Andrew Tanenbaum >cuck license extraordinaire >doesnt even get acknowledgment from israelitetel (he's israeli too) for his contributions to their spyware engine
he does it for free. also, linux is the most pervasive OS on the planet kiddo.
i make shitty wordpress sites for people too moronic to follow wordpress tutorials and make good money off it with minimal effort
2 years ago
Anonymous
>rust proponents - actual professional low-level C/C++ developers >rust detractors - word press jannies
Can't make this shit up, fricking christ anon at least lie about being a student or something, this is even more embarrassing than unemployment
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are we reading the same posts here? The big name C/C++ dudes are explicitly *against* rust, the only proponents are unemployed trannies
2 years ago
Anonymous
big name dudes like Torvalds? check the other threads, rust is going in linux
because nobody has respect for Poettering, if I were him I wouldn't add rust either, why throw away all this work of hiding backdoors in his trashware
2 years ago
Anonymous
what else was he supposed to do? oppose rust and be called a bigot, kicked off the linux foundation?
2 years ago
Anonymous
spare me the cope
2 years ago
Anonymous
spare me the shill and go do an actual project with rust that isn't a rewrite
2 years ago
Anonymous
>that isn't a rewrite
implying that troon even actually rewrites anything
2 years ago
Anonymous
>check the other threads, rust is going in linux
Linux (the kernel) won't have any Rust code. They'll just allow people to write drivers in Rust. That is a big difference and honestly not that big of a deal. I doubt this will get any traction anyway. People writing the drivers are mostly diehard C boomers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Torvalds would be farting in Rust's general direction if it weren't for the "intervention" and his "break."
>What does Torvalds make of all this? He's in "the 'wait and see' camp -- I'm interested in the project, but I think it's driven by people who are very excited about Rust, and I want to see how it actually then ends up working in practice." >"Personally," Torvalds is "in no way "pushing" for Rust, [but] I'm open to it considering the promised advantages and avoiding some safety pitfalls, but I also know that sometimes promises don't pan out."
https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-on-where-rust-will-fit-into-linux/
It's a very elegant way of saying he thinks they're all fricking idiots.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"intervention" >"break"
Please take your meds
2 years ago
Anonymous
Huh? They've been strong-arming him ever since.
I'd rather a based Torvalds who occasionally flips out and hurts people's feelings, than a söy Torvalds who brings Rust into Linux.
https://itsfoss.com/torvalds-takes-a-break-from-linux/
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They've been strong-arming him ever since.
Who? George Soros?
Please take your meds.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The diversity and troony hires of gayMAN, for example, and therefore, by proxy, also George Soros, yes.
How about you get off the meds first, maybe then you'd realize what's going on?
>Such an American meme, fix not the problem, but your perception of it, tsk, tsk, tsk.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Linus is being strong armed by gearge soros!!!
kek
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nooooo, a 50 year old man can't be a responsible adult and admit he was wrong for throwing autistic tantrums at his own colleagues! That would never happen! It has to be a massive conspiracy led by George Soros!
Please take your meds.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he was wrong for throwing autistic tantrums
They were no such thing, they were justified rages at idiots doing shit things, and they made them either learn or pack up and leave.
Why do you think Linux has been on such a downward trajectory since 2018?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wow it's another anon who can't tell the difference between telling someone they're wrong and throwing a tantrum. Torvalds was able to learn the difference, you can too.
Everybody talked like that. What's the big fricking deal. It had never been a problem until "sensitivity" became holy. it all started with Obama.
>Barack Obama invented not wanting to have autistic nerds throw tantrums at you
Please take your meds.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wow, it's another anon who fails at everything he does and couldn't bear for someone to rip him a new one showing how much of a failure he is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're correct, I can't bear autistic nerds throwing tantrums endlessly. It's a waste of fricking time. I'll spell it out for you. Here's a constructive approach to telling someone they're wrong: >You made a mistake on line 2. You can fix it by changing the while loop to a for loop. Please fix and resend. Thank you.
And here's throwing a tantrum: >You fricked up. You are stupid. You are gay. You are dumb. You are moron. have a nice day gay. Frick you.
Learn the difference, it will save you lots of time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Woe is me, somebody rightfully called you a homosexual. I'm literally crying right now, tears down my face. What ever will you do against those ebil autists?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>somebody rightfully threw an autistic tantrum
Nobody did that. Take your meds.
>P-PLEASE DADDY HOLD MY HAND AND GUIDE ME THROUGH >I'M TOO STUPID TO SEE MY OWN MISTAKES
Who, exactly, is the manchild here?
No one in the world writes bug free code all the time. Other programmers are expected each other's mistakes. That's what programming on a team is about. You obviously have never had a job.
2 years ago
Anonymous
*expected to fix
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No one in the world writes bug free code all the time
You probably can't even write a bug-free Hello World, which is why you're being so butthurt over this.
Cope, seethe and dilate.
Also, no, I don't expect anyone to clean up a mess I made.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't expect anyone to clean up a mess I made.
You obviously have never had a job with teammates who have each other's back
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're obviously the one who's constantly making the mess, and never the one cleaning it up, which is why it's unfathomable to you for someone to flip out and tear down on you for having to clean up your mess.
Pro-tip: Your teammates actually hate you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
When you have a good team, sometimes you clean up their mess and sometimes they clean up yours. No one complains because they don't mind doing nice things for their teammates. There's an understanding that everyone helps out
When you have a bad team, everyone says "you are stupid, you are gay" while refusing to fix anything, nothing gets done
2 years ago
Anonymous
>When you have a good team, sometimes you clean up their mess and sometimes they clean up yours. No one complains because they don't mind doing nice things for their teammates. There's an understanding that everyone helps out
Women, gays and trannies. >When you have a bad team, everyone says "you are stupid, you are gay" while refusing to fix anything, nothing gets done
Chads.
You've mixed up the outcomes, though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I see you have given up and are just memeing now
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, you started with that. And your teammates talk behind your back how much you suck, but they're nice enough to not hurt your feelings. But they're actually egoistical, telling you how much you suck is actually a sign of trust, but you don't understand these concepts, though I suppose, as a product of modern times, you're not the one to blame.
There is truth and enlightenment in your stereotypical drill sergeant calling you a 'maggot,' but you probably think that's abusive.
Good luck! For lack of skill, you'll need it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Still schizoposting this much
Cool story bro, take your meds and have a free (You). This one's on me
2 years ago
Anonymous
>P-PLEASE DADDY HOLD MY HAND AND GUIDE ME THROUGH >I'M TOO STUPID TO SEE MY OWN MISTAKES
Who, exactly, is the manchild here?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>autistic nerds throw tantrums at you
Someone being willing to speak openly and directly with you is a sign of respect. They know you can handle it. It's when people only talk to you because they have to and constantly tiptoe on eggshells when they do that there's a problem. You don't coddle people unless you think they're too sensitive and incompetent to handle real feedback.
Sound familiar, loony troon?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everybody talked like that. What's the big fricking deal. It had never been a problem until "sensitivity" became holy. it all started with Obama.
2 years ago
Anonymous
he has been tamed by his woke daughter. the old Linus woulda just told trannies to kill themselves.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the old Linus woulda just told trannies to kill themselves
A no-bullshit attitude which led to a no-bullshit product at the cost of some hurt feelings.
And yet, society now values these feelings more than a working product.
Dark days ahead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But it's actually the opposite. Being a bigot leads to a bullshit product and hurt feelings.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Show me a case where Torvalds was being a bigot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it doesn’t, stupid ass. Linux was successful because Linus didn’t allow a bunch of gays and morons to compromise his vision.
Show me a case where Torvalds was being a bigot.
>Show me a case where Torvalds was being a bigot.
When you use that guy’s weasel words, you’re arguing on his terms.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Linux was successful because Linus didn’t allow a bunch of gays and morons to compromise his vision.
Wow it's another anon who still can't tell the difference between telling someone they're wrong and throwing a tantrum. I doubt you can even explain what this "vision" is
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nooo you can't use his words! You have to use MY homophobic weasel words! Argue on my terms! Mine! Mine! Me me me!
2 years ago
Anonymous
Some people are internally unhappy, and they seek out external reasons that "hurt" them. It doesn't matter what you do, it's never enough for them, you are always doing something wrong.
Humans tolerate that if these people give birth to new humans. Not for the trannies though.
nothing but i don't see why anyone would
systemd-rustd would be another meme init system with none of the benefits that the other meme inits have
poettering is right for once: you would have to dump everything in unsafe blocks to get anything done in a reasonable amount of time, and that defeats the point of using rust over c
I don't really see how he can tbh because everything Lennart just said applies there too. Sure, some drivers for certain platforms can be rust but not any core shit.
No matte what you think about systemd and Poettering, he is absolutely right here. If the language doesn't support a significant portion of the platforms that systemd runs on, it cannot be used there, period.
This must be an outdated screenshot. Linux on Power is a tier 2 platform with host tools (so you can use e.g. rustc itself on the platform instead of just cross compiling).
why yes let's start relying critical infrastructure on tier 2 support that is only guaranteed to build! instead of just using... uh... some 90 years old languages that are already well tested, are minimal and work everywhere... that have all the required code already written and tested in critical environment... even though you would have to put unsafe blocks everywhere... but uh... le rustification!! le based rust language that gets everything right!!! we should replace systemd with rust! Help me Crust Goddess!!!!!!!!!!!
OP's screenshot seems to come from this issue. I guess Lennart deleted/edited a comment though because it's one is not exactly the same but the comment under it is identical.
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/18767
of course unsafe rust is better than c. it's more high level and more expressive. that guy is just dumb if he doesnt understand the benefits of high level languages.
So were there any significant projects done in rust over last couple of years? Where are the smug servo guys, and redox os gays? Rust trannies always follow the same pattern >have a meltdown over C and how memory management is the end of the world >rewrite C library and be extremely smug about it how it's safe and so much fricking faster >get lots of reddit upvotes >have talks at rust conferences while cross dressing as a woman >after few weeks project gets abandoned because nobody in real world cares >repeat cycle with something else >use same tactics as CoC crusaders and infiltrate existing projects to force use of your shitty technology >abandon everything a couple of years later
At least their buttplug library seems to be doing well.
>Where are the smug servo guys, and redox os gays?
Bureaucracy killed Servo, and Redox is still in development (though it was never going to be relevant for reasons irrelevant to the language it is written in).
Also, Poettering isn't saying systemd can't use Rust because Rust is shit, he's literally saying it can't because Rust is not as portable as C.
I'm willing to bet that Rust for Apple ARM is vastly more stable than rust for POWER, especially since there is already a tier 1 ARM port of Rust.
Mind you this is not even a criticism of Rust; it's just a large language. C is very small and simple, which is its main appeal.
Linux runs on almost as many architectures as NetBSD, i.e. more than you can count, while Rust has ran on how many platforms?
Yeah, thought so.
So if C is a "non portable mess" then what is Rust, considered it runs on a tiny fraction of the platforms the Linux kernel (written in C) does?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Have fun with make, cmake, qmake, mk, etc
2 years ago
Anonymous
>oh no, different ways to compile software exist
???
2 years ago
Anonymous
>completely ignores what he said about rust running on less architectures
ok sister
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't even use Rust. I barely even know C/C++.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>posts condescending comment >yeah im a moron and i don't know what i'm talking about btw
understandable, that's most of IQfy anyways. have a good day
2 years ago
Anonymous
using rust in linux will encourage those other platforms to start maintaining rust ports
Lennart is going to probably fork the kernel at some point, as well as write his own monolithic binary to replace bash and the coreutils. I mean systemd has its own bootloader. He pretty much owns linux audio. A lennart display server and DE are inevitable. GNU and Linux are both going to die at the hands of this man's brilliance and the SJW progress homosexualry of the rest of FOSS.
You don't get to make that decision though. Companies that sell products built on "outdated technology" make that decision
Wow it's another anon who can't tell the difference between telling someone they're wrong and throwing a tantrum. Torvalds was able to learn the difference, you can too.
[...] >Barack Obama invented not wanting to have autistic nerds throw tantrums at you
Please take your meds.
>Autistic nerds
Just admit you feel inferior to us. You aren't at our level so we simply ignored your existence until you kept annoying us
Systemd isn't as modular as the kernel, you don't have "systemd modules" and "systemd drivers", so there's no point in "supporting Rust". The kernel on the other hand is pretty modular and there's a lot to be gain from using a safer language like Rust for drivers, internet protocols, security modules etc.
Systemd is ultimately just a suite of programs, so it is actually extremely modular, possibly moreso than the kernel
Lennart has genuinely just become based and anti-Rust
>Rust does not even consider Linux on Power a fully supported target (just a third class tier)
powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu, powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu, and powerpc64le-unknown-linux-gnu are all tier 2 with host support, not tier 3. And tier 2 support is actually still pretty good.
Rust is inevitable, chuddies. Your legacy language is dying. Your language is bloated and unsafe.
Trump lost, /qa/ lost, C++ will lose.
Biden won, /lgbt/ won, Rust will win.
>Man does not use immature tool in use case it does not make sense in incredibly basic no-brainer engineering decision
Everybody will truly get buttblasted about this for no reason
> very long uid leads to var overflow and automatic uid 0 > i-it's a C problem, I swear, if only it wasn't shit > Rust? No way, I'll stick with C
Couldn't expect anything else from that c**t.
>systemd is low level software anywat, so we you just have to use unsafe everwhere.
This is an utterly moronic opinion, and I'm kind of surprised at the number of otherwise sensible people who repeat it.
The whole point of "unsafe" in Rust is for building safe abstractions overtop of potentially unsafe code. Low-level code is exactly where you would want to do that.
Based?
based on what?
ur mom
Was alpha as frick until he asked for permission to close issue
>When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
What's stopping rustaceans from forking systemd and adding Rust?
Inb4 rust copypasta
The work
>What's stopping rustaceans from forking systemd and adding Rust?
unbelievable but the same issues that Poettering described. Rust is a bloat language that struggles with any architecture that is not mainstream. Replacing entirety of Linux with Rust would mean it can only run on the modern x86 desktops and servers. ARM support got added only recently. Linux gained such popularity for being the exact opposite.
https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/rustc/platform-support.html
>Replacing entirety of Linux with Rust would mean it can only run on the modern x86 desktops and servers
not it wouldn't
>ARM support got added only recently
no it wasn't recently
Andrew Tanenbaum was right
Linux is obsolete and will only live on x86 and ARM in the near future
>Andrew Tanenbaum
>cuck license extraordinaire
>doesnt even get acknowledgment from israelitetel (he's israeli too) for his contributions to their spyware engine
he does it for free. also, linux is the most pervasive OS on the planet kiddo.
technically, I would say Minix is
> ARM support got added only recently.
homie i was running rust code on mobile with 0 issues 3 years ago. what do you mean recently
rust trannies aren't the ones doing any of the actual work, they just LARP and shill for it 24/7
what do u do anon except for seething about it 24/7
i make shitty wordpress sites for people too moronic to follow wordpress tutorials and make good money off it with minimal effort
>rust proponents - actual professional low-level C/C++ developers
>rust detractors - word press jannies
Can't make this shit up, fricking christ anon at least lie about being a student or something, this is even more embarrassing than unemployment
Are we reading the same posts here? The big name C/C++ dudes are explicitly *against* rust, the only proponents are unemployed trannies
big name dudes like Torvalds? check the other threads, rust is going in linux
because nobody has respect for Poettering, if I were him I wouldn't add rust either, why throw away all this work of hiding backdoors in his trashware
what else was he supposed to do? oppose rust and be called a bigot, kicked off the linux foundation?
spare me the cope
spare me the shill and go do an actual project with rust that isn't a rewrite
>that isn't a rewrite
implying that troon even actually rewrites anything
>check the other threads, rust is going in linux
Linux (the kernel) won't have any Rust code. They'll just allow people to write drivers in Rust. That is a big difference and honestly not that big of a deal. I doubt this will get any traction anyway. People writing the drivers are mostly diehard C boomers.
Torvalds would be farting in Rust's general direction if it weren't for the "intervention" and his "break."
>What does Torvalds make of all this? He's in "the 'wait and see' camp -- I'm interested in the project, but I think it's driven by people who are very excited about Rust, and I want to see how it actually then ends up working in practice."
>"Personally," Torvalds is "in no way "pushing" for Rust, [but] I'm open to it considering the promised advantages and avoiding some safety pitfalls, but I also know that sometimes promises don't pan out."
https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-on-where-rust-will-fit-into-linux/
It's a very elegant way of saying he thinks they're all fricking idiots.
>"intervention"
>"break"
Please take your meds
Huh? They've been strong-arming him ever since.
I'd rather a based Torvalds who occasionally flips out and hurts people's feelings, than a söy Torvalds who brings Rust into Linux.
https://itsfoss.com/torvalds-takes-a-break-from-linux/
>They've been strong-arming him ever since.
Who? George Soros?
Please take your meds.
The diversity and troony hires of gayMAN, for example, and therefore, by proxy, also George Soros, yes.
How about you get off the meds first, maybe then you'd realize what's going on?
>Such an American meme, fix not the problem, but your perception of it, tsk, tsk, tsk.
>Linus is being strong armed by gearge soros!!!
kek
>Nooooo, a 50 year old man can't be a responsible adult and admit he was wrong for throwing autistic tantrums at his own colleagues! That would never happen! It has to be a massive conspiracy led by George Soros!
Please take your meds.
>he was wrong for throwing autistic tantrums
They were no such thing, they were justified rages at idiots doing shit things, and they made them either learn or pack up and leave.
Why do you think Linux has been on such a downward trajectory since 2018?
Wow it's another anon who can't tell the difference between telling someone they're wrong and throwing a tantrum. Torvalds was able to learn the difference, you can too.
>Barack Obama invented not wanting to have autistic nerds throw tantrums at you
Please take your meds.
Wow, it's another anon who fails at everything he does and couldn't bear for someone to rip him a new one showing how much of a failure he is.
You're correct, I can't bear autistic nerds throwing tantrums endlessly. It's a waste of fricking time. I'll spell it out for you. Here's a constructive approach to telling someone they're wrong:
>You made a mistake on line 2. You can fix it by changing the while loop to a for loop. Please fix and resend. Thank you.
And here's throwing a tantrum:
>You fricked up. You are stupid. You are gay. You are dumb. You are moron. have a nice day gay. Frick you.
Learn the difference, it will save you lots of time.
Woe is me, somebody rightfully called you a homosexual. I'm literally crying right now, tears down my face. What ever will you do against those ebil autists?
>somebody rightfully threw an autistic tantrum
Nobody did that. Take your meds.
No one in the world writes bug free code all the time. Other programmers are expected each other's mistakes. That's what programming on a team is about. You obviously have never had a job.
*expected to fix
>No one in the world writes bug free code all the time
You probably can't even write a bug-free Hello World, which is why you're being so butthurt over this.
Cope, seethe and dilate.
Also, no, I don't expect anyone to clean up a mess I made.
>I don't expect anyone to clean up a mess I made.
You obviously have never had a job with teammates who have each other's back
You're obviously the one who's constantly making the mess, and never the one cleaning it up, which is why it's unfathomable to you for someone to flip out and tear down on you for having to clean up your mess.
Pro-tip: Your teammates actually hate you.
When you have a good team, sometimes you clean up their mess and sometimes they clean up yours. No one complains because they don't mind doing nice things for their teammates. There's an understanding that everyone helps out
When you have a bad team, everyone says "you are stupid, you are gay" while refusing to fix anything, nothing gets done
>When you have a good team, sometimes you clean up their mess and sometimes they clean up yours. No one complains because they don't mind doing nice things for their teammates. There's an understanding that everyone helps out
Women, gays and trannies.
>When you have a bad team, everyone says "you are stupid, you are gay" while refusing to fix anything, nothing gets done
Chads.
You've mixed up the outcomes, though.
I see you have given up and are just memeing now
Well, you started with that. And your teammates talk behind your back how much you suck, but they're nice enough to not hurt your feelings. But they're actually egoistical, telling you how much you suck is actually a sign of trust, but you don't understand these concepts, though I suppose, as a product of modern times, you're not the one to blame.
There is truth and enlightenment in your stereotypical drill sergeant calling you a 'maggot,' but you probably think that's abusive.
Good luck! For lack of skill, you'll need it.
>Still schizoposting this much
Cool story bro, take your meds and have a free (You). This one's on me
>P-PLEASE DADDY HOLD MY HAND AND GUIDE ME THROUGH
>I'M TOO STUPID TO SEE MY OWN MISTAKES
Who, exactly, is the manchild here?
>autistic nerds throw tantrums at you
Someone being willing to speak openly and directly with you is a sign of respect. They know you can handle it. It's when people only talk to you because they have to and constantly tiptoe on eggshells when they do that there's a problem. You don't coddle people unless you think they're too sensitive and incompetent to handle real feedback.
Sound familiar, loony troon?
Everybody talked like that. What's the big fricking deal. It had never been a problem until "sensitivity" became holy. it all started with Obama.
he has been tamed by his woke daughter. the old Linus woulda just told trannies to kill themselves.
>the old Linus woulda just told trannies to kill themselves
A no-bullshit attitude which led to a no-bullshit product at the cost of some hurt feelings.
And yet, society now values these feelings more than a working product.
Dark days ahead.
But it's actually the opposite. Being a bigot leads to a bullshit product and hurt feelings.
Show me a case where Torvalds was being a bigot.
No it doesn’t, stupid ass. Linux was successful because Linus didn’t allow a bunch of gays and morons to compromise his vision.
>Show me a case where Torvalds was being a bigot.
When you use that guy’s weasel words, you’re arguing on his terms.
>Linux was successful because Linus didn’t allow a bunch of gays and morons to compromise his vision.
Wow it's another anon who still can't tell the difference between telling someone they're wrong and throwing a tantrum. I doubt you can even explain what this "vision" is
>Nooo you can't use his words! You have to use MY homophobic weasel words! Argue on my terms! Mine! Mine! Me me me!
Some people are internally unhappy, and they seek out external reasons that "hurt" them. It doesn't matter what you do, it's never enough for them, you are always doing something wrong.
Humans tolerate that if these people give birth to new humans. Not for the trannies though.
so who are the people writing the rust code that is getting into the linux kernel that linus just talked about?
only for drivers
watch as it gets used for literally nothing
nothing but i don't see why anyone would
systemd-rustd would be another meme init system with none of the benefits that the other meme inits have
poettering is right for once: you would have to dump everything in unsafe blocks to get anything done in a reasonable amount of time, and that defeats the point of using rust over c
Their life expectancy is too short to complete the project
based poettering.
link?
There is no way for Linus to accept Rust code in the core kernel, r-right bros?
I don't really see how he can tbh because everything Lennart just said applies there too. Sure, some drivers for certain platforms can be rust but not any core shit.
No matte what you think about systemd and Poettering, he is absolutely right here. If the language doesn't support a significant portion of the platforms that systemd runs on, it cannot be used there, period.
Wtf i love rust now
Wtf i love poettering now
wtf... I luh
luh
li
lik
Poetteringware now???
suck my wiener troony
This must be an outdated screenshot. Linux on Power is a tier 2 platform with host tools (so you can use e.g. rustc itself on the platform instead of just cross compiling).
why yes let's start relying critical infrastructure on tier 2 support that is only guaranteed to build! instead of just using... uh... some 90 years old languages that are already well tested, are minimal and work everywhere... that have all the required code already written and tested in critical environment... even though you would have to put unsafe blocks everywhere... but uh... le rustification!! le based rust language that gets everything right!!! we should replace systemd with rust! Help me Crust Goddess!!!!!!!!!!!
OP's screenshot seems to come from this issue. I guess Lennart deleted/edited a comment though because it's one is not exactly the same but the comment under it is identical.
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/18767
not his first dunk on Rust
guy's not as stupid as he seems
>that many dislikes
lmao I love the smell of the seething crabs
I half suspect this man just says whatever he thinks will be least popular.
Post URL
https://github.com/search?q=commenter%3Apoettering&type=issues
https://github.com/search?o=desc&q=commenter:poettering+rust&s=created&type=Issues
of course unsafe rust is better than c. it's more high level and more expressive. that guy is just dumb if he doesnt understand the benefits of high level languages.
C is a high level language
@87458983
don't forget to report discriminative tweet rust sister
>@
So were there any significant projects done in rust over last couple of years? Where are the smug servo guys, and redox os gays? Rust trannies always follow the same pattern
>have a meltdown over C and how memory management is the end of the world
>rewrite C library and be extremely smug about it how it's safe and so much fricking faster
>get lots of reddit upvotes
>have talks at rust conferences while cross dressing as a woman
>after few weeks project gets abandoned because nobody in real world cares
>repeat cycle with something else
>use same tactics as CoC crusaders and infiltrate existing projects to force use of your shitty technology
>abandon everything a couple of years later
At least their buttplug library seems to be doing well.
>Where are the smug servo guys, and redox os gays?
Bureaucracy killed Servo, and Redox is still in development (though it was never going to be relevant for reasons irrelevant to the language it is written in).
Also, Poettering isn't saying systemd can't use Rust because Rust is shit, he's literally saying it can't because Rust is not as portable as C.
>not as portable as C
https://pngquant.org/rust.html
I'm willing to bet that Rust for Apple ARM is vastly more stable than rust for POWER, especially since there is already a tier 1 ARM port of Rust.
Mind you this is not even a criticism of Rust; it's just a large language. C is very small and simple, which is its main appeal.
Linux runs on almost as many architectures as NetBSD, i.e. more than you can count, while Rust has ran on how many platforms?
Yeah, thought so.
So if C is a "non portable mess" then what is Rust, considered it runs on a tiny fraction of the platforms the Linux kernel (written in C) does?
Have fun with make, cmake, qmake, mk, etc
>oh no, different ways to compile software exist
???
>completely ignores what he said about rust running on less architectures
ok sister
I don't even use Rust. I barely even know C/C++.
>posts condescending comment
>yeah im a moron and i don't know what i'm talking about btw
understandable, that's most of IQfy anyways. have a good day
using rust in linux will encourage those other platforms to start maintaining rust ports
Ruffle is in the making
I can't even play super deepthroat on that.
this is why I keep windows on dual boot, since I can't run sdt on linux's official adobe runtime either.
nevermind, it works fine on wine (but it feels a bit laggier)
It works in wine
Lennart is just being based, as always
wtf i love lennart poettering now
Wtf, I love rust now?
wtf im switching from artix to arch right now
Was alpha as frick until he edited it.
KEK reminder rustsisters can't even write a doubly linked list without unsafe blocks
Lennart is going to probably fork the kernel at some point, as well as write his own monolithic binary to replace bash and the coreutils. I mean systemd has its own bootloader. He pretty much owns linux audio. A lennart display server and DE are inevitable. GNU and Linux are both going to die at the hands of this man's brilliance and the SJW progress homosexualry of the rest of FOSS.
Nice post from 2021 moron
theres an open pr on github right now adding rust support
>closed
> open
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/19598
>last update was in 2021
>don't merge label
yeah thinking this is dead
linux doesn't need to support all those outdated platforms though
You don't get to make that decision though. Companies that sell products built on "outdated technology" make that decision
>Autistic nerds
Just admit you feel inferior to us. You aren't at our level so we simply ignored your existence until you kept annoying us
sure but they don't need to support them still.
I just installed systemd
Poettering is based now
The unsafe everywhere argument is peek midwit thinking. But he has a good point about portability.
wtf poettering is based now
Systemd isn't as modular as the kernel, you don't have "systemd modules" and "systemd drivers", so there's no point in "supporting Rust". The kernel on the other hand is pretty modular and there's a lot to be gain from using a safer language like Rust for drivers, internet protocols, security modules etc.
Systemd is ultimately just a suite of programs, so it is actually extremely modular, possibly moreso than the kernel
Lennart has genuinely just become based and anti-Rust
> rejects a troony while throwing around percentages
This man is playing with fire
he also basically admitted systemd is poorly architected
so tell me
i am a vendor oem
i need to write a driver
would i use rust or would i use c?
whatever windows and/or mac uses, companies dont give a crap about linux tbh.
so... c?
idk, i dont use windows tbh
Oh lord! Trannies comprehensively shat on by Poeterring.
>Rust does not even consider Linux on Power a fully supported target (just a third class tier)
powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu, powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu, and powerpc64le-unknown-linux-gnu are all tier 2 with host support, not tier 3. And tier 2 support is actually still pretty good.
wtf I love Lennart Prooting now
OH NO NO NO NO
does rhel even support m68k?
Rust is inevitable, chuddies. Your legacy language is dying. Your language is bloated and unsafe.
Trump lost, /qa/ lost, C++ will lose.
Biden won, /lgbt/ won, Rust will win.
>/lgbt/ won, Rust will win.
like pottery kek
Why? If anyone needs it, he does...he has massive amounts of bugs to fix
This is the first time I’ve ever agreed with something that gay has said
>Man does not use immature tool in use case it does not make sense in incredibly basic no-brainer engineering decision
Everybody will truly get buttblasted about this for no reason
thank god Poettering saves the kernel
Such bigotry.
> very long uid leads to var overflow and automatic uid 0
> i-it's a C problem, I swear, if only it wasn't shit
> Rust? No way, I'll stick with C
Couldn't expect anything else from that c**t.
>systemd is low level software anywat, so we you just have to use unsafe everwhere.
This is an utterly moronic opinion, and I'm kind of surprised at the number of otherwise sensible people who repeat it.
The whole point of "unsafe" in Rust is for building safe abstractions overtop of potentially unsafe code. Low-level code is exactly where you would want to do that.