>Lennart Poettering says no to Rust in systemd. This kills the crab

>Lennart Poettering says no to Rust in systemd
This kills the crab

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Based?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      based poettering.

      based on what?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        ur mom

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Was alpha as frick until he asked for permission to close issue

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What's stopping rustaceans from forking systemd and adding Rust?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Inb4 rust copypasta

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The work

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >What's stopping rustaceans from forking systemd and adding Rust?
      unbelievable but the same issues that Poettering described. Rust is a bloat language that struggles with any architecture that is not mainstream. Replacing entirety of Linux with Rust would mean it can only run on the modern x86 desktops and servers. ARM support got added only recently. Linux gained such popularity for being the exact opposite.

      https://doc.rust-lang.org/nightly/rustc/platform-support.html

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Replacing entirety of Linux with Rust would mean it can only run on the modern x86 desktops and servers
        not it wouldn't
        >ARM support got added only recently
        no it wasn't recently

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Andrew Tanenbaum was right
        Linux is obsolete and will only live on x86 and ARM in the near future

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Andrew Tanenbaum
          >cuck license extraordinaire
          >doesnt even get acknowledgment from israelitetel (he's israeli too) for his contributions to their spyware engine
          he does it for free. also, linux is the most pervasive OS on the planet kiddo.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            technically, I would say Minix is

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        > ARM support got added only recently.
        homie i was running rust code on mobile with 0 issues 3 years ago. what do you mean recently

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      rust trannies aren't the ones doing any of the actual work, they just LARP and shill for it 24/7

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what do u do anon except for seething about it 24/7

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          i make shitty wordpress sites for people too moronic to follow wordpress tutorials and make good money off it with minimal effort

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >rust proponents - actual professional low-level C/C++ developers
            >rust detractors - word press jannies
            Can't make this shit up, fricking christ anon at least lie about being a student or something, this is even more embarrassing than unemployment

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Are we reading the same posts here? The big name C/C++ dudes are explicitly *against* rust, the only proponents are unemployed trannies

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            big name dudes like Torvalds? check the other threads, rust is going in linux
            because nobody has respect for Poettering, if I were him I wouldn't add rust either, why throw away all this work of hiding backdoors in his trashware

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            what else was he supposed to do? oppose rust and be called a bigot, kicked off the linux foundation?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            spare me the cope

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            spare me the shill and go do an actual project with rust that isn't a rewrite

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >that isn't a rewrite
            implying that troon even actually rewrites anything

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >check the other threads, rust is going in linux
            Linux (the kernel) won't have any Rust code. They'll just allow people to write drivers in Rust. That is a big difference and honestly not that big of a deal. I doubt this will get any traction anyway. People writing the drivers are mostly diehard C boomers.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Torvalds would be farting in Rust's general direction if it weren't for the "intervention" and his "break."

            >What does Torvalds make of all this? He's in "the 'wait and see' camp -- I'm interested in the project, but I think it's driven by people who are very excited about Rust, and I want to see how it actually then ends up working in practice."
            >"Personally," Torvalds is "in no way "pushing" for Rust, [but] I'm open to it considering the promised advantages and avoiding some safety pitfalls, but I also know that sometimes promises don't pan out."
            https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-on-where-rust-will-fit-into-linux/

            It's a very elegant way of saying he thinks they're all fricking idiots.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >"intervention"
            >"break"
            Please take your meds

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Huh? They've been strong-arming him ever since.
            I'd rather a based Torvalds who occasionally flips out and hurts people's feelings, than a söy Torvalds who brings Rust into Linux.
            https://itsfoss.com/torvalds-takes-a-break-from-linux/

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >They've been strong-arming him ever since.
            Who? George Soros?
            Please take your meds.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The diversity and troony hires of gayMAN, for example, and therefore, by proxy, also George Soros, yes.
            How about you get off the meds first, maybe then you'd realize what's going on?

            >Such an American meme, fix not the problem, but your perception of it, tsk, tsk, tsk.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Linus is being strong armed by gearge soros!!!
            kek

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Nooooo, a 50 year old man can't be a responsible adult and admit he was wrong for throwing autistic tantrums at his own colleagues! That would never happen! It has to be a massive conspiracy led by George Soros!
            Please take your meds.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >he was wrong for throwing autistic tantrums
            They were no such thing, they were justified rages at idiots doing shit things, and they made them either learn or pack up and leave.
            Why do you think Linux has been on such a downward trajectory since 2018?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Wow it's another anon who can't tell the difference between telling someone they're wrong and throwing a tantrum. Torvalds was able to learn the difference, you can too.

            Everybody talked like that. What's the big fricking deal. It had never been a problem until "sensitivity" became holy. it all started with Obama.

            >Barack Obama invented not wanting to have autistic nerds throw tantrums at you
            Please take your meds.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Wow, it's another anon who fails at everything he does and couldn't bear for someone to rip him a new one showing how much of a failure he is.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You're correct, I can't bear autistic nerds throwing tantrums endlessly. It's a waste of fricking time. I'll spell it out for you. Here's a constructive approach to telling someone they're wrong:
            >You made a mistake on line 2. You can fix it by changing the while loop to a for loop. Please fix and resend. Thank you.

            And here's throwing a tantrum:
            >You fricked up. You are stupid. You are gay. You are dumb. You are moron. have a nice day gay. Frick you.

            Learn the difference, it will save you lots of time.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Woe is me, somebody rightfully called you a homosexual. I'm literally crying right now, tears down my face. What ever will you do against those ebil autists?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >somebody rightfully threw an autistic tantrum
            Nobody did that. Take your meds.

            >P-PLEASE DADDY HOLD MY HAND AND GUIDE ME THROUGH
            >I'M TOO STUPID TO SEE MY OWN MISTAKES
            Who, exactly, is the manchild here?

            No one in the world writes bug free code all the time. Other programmers are expected each other's mistakes. That's what programming on a team is about. You obviously have never had a job.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            *expected to fix

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >No one in the world writes bug free code all the time
            You probably can't even write a bug-free Hello World, which is why you're being so butthurt over this.
            Cope, seethe and dilate.

            Also, no, I don't expect anyone to clean up a mess I made.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't expect anyone to clean up a mess I made.
            You obviously have never had a job with teammates who have each other's back

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You're obviously the one who's constantly making the mess, and never the one cleaning it up, which is why it's unfathomable to you for someone to flip out and tear down on you for having to clean up your mess.
            Pro-tip: Your teammates actually hate you.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            When you have a good team, sometimes you clean up their mess and sometimes they clean up yours. No one complains because they don't mind doing nice things for their teammates. There's an understanding that everyone helps out
            When you have a bad team, everyone says "you are stupid, you are gay" while refusing to fix anything, nothing gets done

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >When you have a good team, sometimes you clean up their mess and sometimes they clean up yours. No one complains because they don't mind doing nice things for their teammates. There's an understanding that everyone helps out
            Women, gays and trannies.
            >When you have a bad team, everyone says "you are stupid, you are gay" while refusing to fix anything, nothing gets done
            Chads.

            You've mixed up the outcomes, though.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I see you have given up and are just memeing now

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well, you started with that. And your teammates talk behind your back how much you suck, but they're nice enough to not hurt your feelings. But they're actually egoistical, telling you how much you suck is actually a sign of trust, but you don't understand these concepts, though I suppose, as a product of modern times, you're not the one to blame.
            There is truth and enlightenment in your stereotypical drill sergeant calling you a 'maggot,' but you probably think that's abusive.
            Good luck! For lack of skill, you'll need it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Still schizoposting this much
            Cool story bro, take your meds and have a free (You). This one's on me

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >P-PLEASE DADDY HOLD MY HAND AND GUIDE ME THROUGH
            >I'M TOO STUPID TO SEE MY OWN MISTAKES
            Who, exactly, is the manchild here?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >autistic nerds throw tantrums at you
            Someone being willing to speak openly and directly with you is a sign of respect. They know you can handle it. It's when people only talk to you because they have to and constantly tiptoe on eggshells when they do that there's a problem. You don't coddle people unless you think they're too sensitive and incompetent to handle real feedback.
            Sound familiar, loony troon?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Everybody talked like that. What's the big fricking deal. It had never been a problem until "sensitivity" became holy. it all started with Obama.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            he has been tamed by his woke daughter. the old Linus woulda just told trannies to kill themselves.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the old Linus woulda just told trannies to kill themselves
            A no-bullshit attitude which led to a no-bullshit product at the cost of some hurt feelings.
            And yet, society now values these feelings more than a working product.
            Dark days ahead.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            But it's actually the opposite. Being a bigot leads to a bullshit product and hurt feelings.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Show me a case where Torvalds was being a bigot.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No it doesn’t, stupid ass. Linux was successful because Linus didn’t allow a bunch of gays and morons to compromise his vision.

            Show me a case where Torvalds was being a bigot.

            >Show me a case where Torvalds was being a bigot.
            When you use that guy’s weasel words, you’re arguing on his terms.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Linux was successful because Linus didn’t allow a bunch of gays and morons to compromise his vision.
            Wow it's another anon who still can't tell the difference between telling someone they're wrong and throwing a tantrum. I doubt you can even explain what this "vision" is

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Nooo you can't use his words! You have to use MY homophobic weasel words! Argue on my terms! Mine! Mine! Me me me!

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Some people are internally unhappy, and they seek out external reasons that "hurt" them. It doesn't matter what you do, it's never enough for them, you are always doing something wrong.

            Humans tolerate that if these people give birth to new humans. Not for the trannies though.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        so who are the people writing the rust code that is getting into the linux kernel that linus just talked about?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          only for drivers
          watch as it gets used for literally nothing

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      nothing but i don't see why anyone would
      systemd-rustd would be another meme init system with none of the benefits that the other meme inits have
      poettering is right for once: you would have to dump everything in unsafe blocks to get anything done in a reasonable amount of time, and that defeats the point of using rust over c

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Their life expectancy is too short to complete the project

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    based poettering.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    link?

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There is no way for Linus to accept Rust code in the core kernel, r-right bros?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't really see how he can tbh because everything Lennart just said applies there too. Sure, some drivers for certain platforms can be rust but not any core shit.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No matte what you think about systemd and Poettering, he is absolutely right here. If the language doesn't support a significant portion of the platforms that systemd runs on, it cannot be used there, period.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wtf i love rust now

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wtf i love poettering now

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wtf... I luh
    luh
    li
    lik
    Poetteringware now???

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      suck my wiener troony

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This must be an outdated screenshot. Linux on Power is a tier 2 platform with host tools (so you can use e.g. rustc itself on the platform instead of just cross compiling).

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      why yes let's start relying critical infrastructure on tier 2 support that is only guaranteed to build! instead of just using... uh... some 90 years old languages that are already well tested, are minimal and work everywhere... that have all the required code already written and tested in critical environment... even though you would have to put unsafe blocks everywhere... but uh... le rustification!! le based rust language that gets everything right!!! we should replace systemd with rust! Help me Crust Goddess!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      OP's screenshot seems to come from this issue. I guess Lennart deleted/edited a comment though because it's one is not exactly the same but the comment under it is identical.
      https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/18767

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    not his first dunk on Rust
    guy's not as stupid as he seems

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >that many dislikes
      lmao I love the smell of the seething crabs

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I half suspect this man just says whatever he thinks will be least popular.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Post URL

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        https://github.com/search?q=commenter%3Apoettering&type=issues

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Post URL

          https://github.com/search?o=desc&q=commenter:poettering+rust&s=created&type=Issues

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      of course unsafe rust is better than c. it's more high level and more expressive. that guy is just dumb if he doesnt understand the benefits of high level languages.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        C is a high level language

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    @87458983
    don't forget to report discriminative tweet rust sister

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >@

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So were there any significant projects done in rust over last couple of years? Where are the smug servo guys, and redox os gays? Rust trannies always follow the same pattern
    >have a meltdown over C and how memory management is the end of the world
    >rewrite C library and be extremely smug about it how it's safe and so much fricking faster
    >get lots of reddit upvotes
    >have talks at rust conferences while cross dressing as a woman
    >after few weeks project gets abandoned because nobody in real world cares
    >repeat cycle with something else
    >use same tactics as CoC crusaders and infiltrate existing projects to force use of your shitty technology
    >abandon everything a couple of years later
    At least their buttplug library seems to be doing well.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Where are the smug servo guys, and redox os gays?
      Bureaucracy killed Servo, and Redox is still in development (though it was never going to be relevant for reasons irrelevant to the language it is written in).
      Also, Poettering isn't saying systemd can't use Rust because Rust is shit, he's literally saying it can't because Rust is not as portable as C.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >not as portable as C
        https://pngquant.org/rust.html

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I'm willing to bet that Rust for Apple ARM is vastly more stable than rust for POWER, especially since there is already a tier 1 ARM port of Rust.
          Mind you this is not even a criticism of Rust; it's just a large language. C is very small and simple, which is its main appeal.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Linux runs on almost as many architectures as NetBSD, i.e. more than you can count, while Rust has ran on how many platforms?
          Yeah, thought so.
          So if C is a "non portable mess" then what is Rust, considered it runs on a tiny fraction of the platforms the Linux kernel (written in C) does?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Have fun with make, cmake, qmake, mk, etc

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >oh no, different ways to compile software exist
            ???

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >completely ignores what he said about rust running on less architectures
            ok sister

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't even use Rust. I barely even know C/C++.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >posts condescending comment
            >yeah im a moron and i don't know what i'm talking about btw
            understandable, that's most of IQfy anyways. have a good day

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            using rust in linux will encourage those other platforms to start maintaining rust ports

    • 2 years ago

      Ruffle is in the making

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I can't even play super deepthroat on that.
        this is why I keep windows on dual boot, since I can't run sdt on linux's official adobe runtime either.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          nevermind, it works fine on wine (but it feels a bit laggier)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It works in wine

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lennart is just being based, as always

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wtf i love lennart poettering now

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wtf, I love rust now?

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wtf im switching from artix to arch right now

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Was alpha as frick until he edited it.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    KEK reminder rustsisters can't even write a doubly linked list without unsafe blocks

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lennart is going to probably fork the kernel at some point, as well as write his own monolithic binary to replace bash and the coreutils. I mean systemd has its own bootloader. He pretty much owns linux audio. A lennart display server and DE are inevitable. GNU and Linux are both going to die at the hands of this man's brilliance and the SJW progress homosexualry of the rest of FOSS.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nice post from 2021 moron
    theres an open pr on github right now adding rust support

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >closed

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        > open
        https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/19598

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      > open
      https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/19598

      >last update was in 2021
      >don't merge label
      yeah thinking this is dead

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    linux doesn't need to support all those outdated platforms though

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You don't get to make that decision though. Companies that sell products built on "outdated technology" make that decision

      Wow it's another anon who can't tell the difference between telling someone they're wrong and throwing a tantrum. Torvalds was able to learn the difference, you can too.
      [...]
      >Barack Obama invented not wanting to have autistic nerds throw tantrums at you
      Please take your meds.

      >Autistic nerds
      Just admit you feel inferior to us. You aren't at our level so we simply ignored your existence until you kept annoying us

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        sure but they don't need to support them still.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I just installed systemd
    Poettering is based now

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The unsafe everywhere argument is peek midwit thinking. But he has a good point about portability.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wtf poettering is based now

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Systemd isn't as modular as the kernel, you don't have "systemd modules" and "systemd drivers", so there's no point in "supporting Rust". The kernel on the other hand is pretty modular and there's a lot to be gain from using a safer language like Rust for drivers, internet protocols, security modules etc.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Systemd is ultimately just a suite of programs, so it is actually extremely modular, possibly moreso than the kernel
      Lennart has genuinely just become based and anti-Rust

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > rejects a troony while throwing around percentages
    This man is playing with fire

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    he also basically admitted systemd is poorly architected

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    so tell me
    i am a vendor oem
    i need to write a driver
    would i use rust or would i use c?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      whatever windows and/or mac uses, companies dont give a crap about linux tbh.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        so... c?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          idk, i dont use windows tbh

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Oh lord! Trannies comprehensively shat on by Poeterring.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Rust does not even consider Linux on Power a fully supported target (just a third class tier)
    powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu, powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu, and powerpc64le-unknown-linux-gnu are all tier 2 with host support, not tier 3. And tier 2 support is actually still pretty good.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wtf I love Lennart Prooting now

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    OH NO NO NO NO

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    does rhel even support m68k?

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Rust is inevitable, chuddies. Your legacy language is dying. Your language is bloated and unsafe.
    Trump lost, /qa/ lost, C++ will lose.
    Biden won, /lgbt/ won, Rust will win.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >/lgbt/ won, Rust will win.
      like pottery kek

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why? If anyone needs it, he does...he has massive amounts of bugs to fix

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is the first time I’ve ever agreed with something that gay has said

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Man does not use immature tool in use case it does not make sense in incredibly basic no-brainer engineering decision
    Everybody will truly get buttblasted about this for no reason

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    thank god Poettering saves the kernel

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Such bigotry.

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > very long uid leads to var overflow and automatic uid 0
    > i-it's a C problem, I swear, if only it wasn't shit
    > Rust? No way, I'll stick with C
    Couldn't expect anything else from that c**t.

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >systemd is low level software anywat, so we you just have to use unsafe everwhere.
    This is an utterly moronic opinion, and I'm kind of surprised at the number of otherwise sensible people who repeat it.
    The whole point of "unsafe" in Rust is for building safe abstractions overtop of potentially unsafe code. Low-level code is exactly where you would want to do that.

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