Let’s face it, Rome would have converted anyway. If it not Christianity, what religion would replaced Rome’s Greek philosophy and Emperor worship?
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Lets face it, Rome would have converted anyway.
mormonism
>Implying Mormonism isn’t the true and original deposit of the Christian faith
Kek
Depends. Does Christianity still exist? If it doesn't then no Islam and Judaism would still have a side to it that actually promotes conversions. It's completely possible Rome would just still be nominally pagan with tons of small cults all over the place, maybe influenced by Zoroastrianism or even Buddhism.
Probably Judaism, to counter Persians Zoroasterism.
>judaism to counter persians
Anon, I...
And zoroastrians never wanted to spread their religion anyways.
>And zoroastrians never wanted to spread their religion anyways.
That's modern day.
>One sect in Iran can't because of the Muslims.
>The other sect in India told the Hindus they won't proselytize out of respect.
Bring me one case of mass conversion to Zoroastrianism outside the iranosphere.
>The other sect in India told the Hindus they won't proselytize out of respect.
Pre-islamic zoroastrianism, if you want.
They just didn't go out of thei way to convert people.
Jews as an ethnic group exist because of the Persians. That's my point. After the Second Temple destruction in 70 AD most Pharisees spread to the Roman Empire and Iran, then ruled by the almost Persian steppe Parthians. Then 60 years later Hadrian's intervention dispersed what was left of the Levantine israelites. When the Sassanids took over, they quickly capitalized on the israeli element in Iraq and promoted the writing of the Talmud. Shapur I is recorded as a major sponsor of talmudic Judaism, which was born in writing in Iraq around 400 AD. The Sassanids needed allies in their war with Christian Rome, and who better than a mercantile people with eyes and ears deep in enemy territory and a burning hatred for anything Roman or Christian.
It was very clearly on the road to Sol Invictus worship.
Probably Judaism. If not then it'd just devolve into something kind of similar to Hinduism but not really. With a billion mystery cults around.
It was never going to be Monotheistic..
So? Roman Catholicism isn’t monotheistic either. Saints, Mary, the devil himself these are treated as other gods in Christianity. My childhood church literally had a Mary shrine people would pray to. If you lost something people prayed to Saint Anthony. The devil was apparently in conflict with god, ruled the underworld. Sex drugs and rock and roll but Jesus couldnt defeat him entirely. It’s a polytheistic religion, maybe he not henotheistid despite the branding
>So?
It was never going to be exclusivistic, either. It just happened to be the god Aurelian had a fancy for.
>Saints, Mary, the devil himself these are treated as other gods in Christianity.
No. No they are not.
>My childhood church literally had a Mary shrine people would pray to. If you lost something people prayed to Saint Anthony.
Saintly intercession is not polytheism. I'm also a Hispanic, I can attest to this.
>Saintly intercession is not polytheism
lol
The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is elohim. The term elohim is most frequently used to refer to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Yahweh is referred to as the Elohim above all elohim (Psalm 95:3). Other uses of the term elohim include spiritual beings such as angels (Job 2:1; 38:7); demons, idols, and gods of foreign nations (Genesis 35:4; Deuteronomy 32:17; 1 Kings 11:33); and the disembodied dead (1 Samuel 28:13). The Hebrew word elohim is also translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28. Whom, then, does God call “gods” in Psalm 82:6? They are:
>God The Most High
>Angels (and demons)
>Saints
Funny, when one experiences God’s Energies you become a god right? Hell is also have God’s Energies, but they HATE God for it.
Henothesism
Theoisis
Theosis is weird, but its not Polytheism. Theosis involves becoming part of christ, who in addition to two other beings, composes God.
It's not. You can argue if its christian all you want but for polytheism to be polytheism you have to have other gods.
>we treat them like gods in every way, but if we don't call them gods it is not polytheism
Yes. That is how it works. You don't get to decide something that isn't worshipped as a god is suddenly a god because you feel that it's treated as one.
And they don't treat them like gods in every other way because saints don't have any power beyond intercession.
That's not what that means.
Henotheism would be if Roman catholicism recognized Zeus as real but didn't worship him.
Regardless, whn it comes to classifying subjective stuff in an impartial way, you have to take the worshippers of that religion at their word unless sustantive evidence comes out to contradict it.
And example of what I'm talking about is if the cultists tell you they think the aryan space chicken is the cult leader's sister then you will have to take their word for it until footage surfaces of them praising the children as the cult leader's mother.
Henotheism
>Funny, when one experiences God’s Energies you become a god right?
Everyone's made in the image of God so yes, yes you do.
i doubt sol invictus would stay monotheistic for long
i imagine it becoming like jade emperor worship in china, a supreme being ruling over previous divine beings
that could work out until the muslims start knocking
Rome never converted, they gave simply gave their pagan gods a divine paintjob.
I remember an article about some Greeks have this idea of one God called Deus (aka Zeus), and only one God. The problem is that the name Zeus had much “barnacles” of Greek mythology of made the name Zeus not appealing. I can’t remember the name though.
it wouldn't, it would just be coalesced into a more bureaucracy centered around a neoplatonic theology and become something like catholicism, but explicit polytheistic and monistic, with Apollo/Sol instead of Jesus and the classical Gods and Heroes in the place of Saint and Angels
>Rome’s Greek philosophy and Emperor worship to replace with more Rome’s Greek philosophy and Emperor worship.
it's not a replacement, but a development and organization into a more centralize structure
The organizational structure of Christianity was based off of that of Roman Religion, and we're told that various other sects and cults had adopted it much earlier. Christianity only taking it up in the mid-300s is actually really fricking late by comparison.
These althist thought experiments never work out because the only reason Christianity took off was state enforcement, without it Christianity would have remained a very, very minor sect of Judaism.
Why do you believe that it was inevitable that Rome would convert? It was mostly the elite and urbanites who were fervently Christian. Many people in the Empire still believed in Pagan Gods even centuries after Theodosius made Christianity the state religion and enacted harsh laws against pagan traditions.
As others have said, a Neoplatonic version of something like Hinduism.
Nothing, they'd just continue doing what 99% of the populace was already doing.
Some form of Mithrasim or a combination of other Oriential religions. It will still be "semetic" or Persian influenced regardless.
Is Christianity just the Cult of Orpheus? Christianity seems to have taken root first in areas where the cult of Orpheus was the dominant religion.
>The suffering and death of the god Dionysus at the hands of the Titans has been considered the central myth of Orphism. According to this myth, the infant Dionysus is killed, torn apart, and consumed by the Titans. In retribution, Zeus strikes the Titans with a thunderbolt, turning them to ash. From these ashes, humanity is born. In Orphic belief, this myth describes humanity as having a dual nature: body (Ancient Greek: σῶμα, romanized: sôma), inherited from the Titans, and a divine spark or soul (Ancient Greek: ψυχή, romanized: psukhḗ), inherited from Dionysus.
>In order to achieve salvation from the Titanic, material existence, one had to be initiated into the Dionysian mysteries and undergo teletē, a ritual purification and reliving of the suffering and death of the god.[7] Orphics believed that they would, after death, spend eternity alongside Orpheus and other heroes. The uninitiated (Ancient Greek: ἀμύητος, romanized: amúētos), they believed, would be reincarnated indefinitely.
No.
Christianity is the only answer because it was predestined.