The term light novel is more like a genre description than a hard and fast rule, pic related is a light novel series as well (horizon on the middle of nowhere). Both it and monogatari are pretty atypical however.
The IQfy and /jp/ equivalent of pulp. Pic related is an exception to the rule but most of these things are fantasy. They're briskly paced and contain occasional page illustrations. They also often have comically long titles
Teenage problems mixed with Japanese culture and every anime trope ever conceived
Light novels are Japanese young adult fiction hoe big they are doesn't actually matter.
Oh god i think i've seen these things. A girl at work is tying to have me read The scum villains something, something, something. She saw me reading The Magic Mountain and she asked me if it was fantasy.
She is a cute weeb tho, just knows shit about lit. No crime in that.
When i was younger cute mixed race weeb girls were like gold dust. Now it's less special.
Maybe. i will. She is kinda young and immature tho, and not in a sexy way.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Bro she better be legal man.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you haven't read enough yet to understand..
2 years ago
Anonymous
lol she's 21, im 30 next month.
Some people can just not give a shit a bout that and just have sex all the time, but i think ill die of boredom first .
Don’t fall for it. Consumerist women are just basedjaks in sisguise. They have no personality, have too many guy friends for your comfort once you take notice and although good at hiding them seemingly always are affected by some mental condition. When she calls you daddy, you better go to get some milk.
>I don’t know why people try to apologize for the Monogatari series as some exception.
I've heard Monogatari is actually placed in the "regular" books shelf instead of the one meant for LNs in Japanese bookstores, but I have no way to confirm this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Most likely, they’re suffering from the same thing we are where you walk into a book store and most of the store is toys and comics while what few books they do have are like low brow being advertised as high brow, or maybe they don’t care.
I like Monogatari but maybe it’s like their Harry Potter, you know? It’s just a story for teenage boys but they talk about it like you’d talk about Proust.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I've heard Monogatari is actually placed in the "regular" books shelf instead of the one meant for LNs in Japanese bookstores
it's not, it's about a horny teenager, his harem of young women, it has characters fighting and shouting at each other whilst doing so, it has illustrations of the characters and some scenes as is normal for light novels. in some respects it's even worse than other light novels as the author just inserts his fetishes in order to start a new character arc
it's excused because of the way it is written. it has more difficult kanji and uses them appropriately. there's a lot of play on words, self commentary, sentences structured ambiguously to setup a joke usually flat and pertaining to japanese writing and it's general long windedness.
It's probably not worth it to learn japanese just for this series but it's a good stepping stone from easier material to more pure literature
2 years ago
Anonymous
A lot of people think the books weren’t so much an otaku indulgence as a subversion of otaku indulgence. The perception is that the guy is a serious writer who used otaku tropes as an method of post-modern irony, then ran with it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If that's true, it indeed would be peak irony considering it's entire fanbase takes it at face value and has discussions like who is their favorite waifu.
If you make a otaku wish fullfillment fantasy, but make it self aware, does it stop being otaku wish fullfillment fantasy? At least on that part the writer failed, since that's what its entire fanbase it consuming it as. But it would be pretty funny if the books really are a meta-joke about otakus and otakus themselves are happily consuming it, blissfully unaware.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But it would be pretty funny if the books really are a meta-joke about otakus and otakus themselves are happily consuming it, blissfully unaware.
That's basically the situation with Eva – especially with the rebuild movies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this was pretty clear in EVA though. people didn't really like a ~25 year series being ended with "touch grass"
2 years ago
Anonymous
The rebuilt movies exist so he had an excuse to leave old projects and start new ones. That’s it. He’s probably the most dishonest director out there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, it doesn’t.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it's a pretty far fetched theory, considering there's some 30 books in the series. You'd think the author would've grown tired of the facade at some point.
I read Kizumonogatari a while back, and thought it was kind of shit. I asked IQfy about it, and apparently it's only good in Japanese because translations cannot represent it faithfully, since a large part of what makes it good is its unique prose. So if you're not reading it in Japanese, I wouldn't even bother with gatari. Then again, I wouldn't really bother with light novels in general
can't speak for the translated version but monogatari series is considerably less "light" than the average light novel with a heavy focus on word play (which i would imagine to be entirely lost in translation) and long analogous monologues. it's a light novel in subject matter and theme only
I'm quite enjoying it. It's no Reynard the Fox or Dune, but sometimes a light hearted read is just what someone needs. It's comical, even the translated version has some clever word play and the characters are fun. I could recommend Harry Potter or To Kill a Mocking Bird for some lullsome drivel.
There’s wordplay which doesn’t translate well but otherwise, it’s exactly the same, arguably worse. And the Monogatari series in general is a higher quality light novel series. These light novels are not good. No one who frequents a literature forum will find them interesting. Young weebs and otakus? Sure. Someone who reads Rilke? No.
I watched the anime of this and you couldn't pay me to read this pedo shit. I did read the first Haruhi book though and I thought it was pretty good YA. It's kind of like sci-fi John Green, it has that I'm 14 and this is deep sort of thing going for it.
>Continuing on after the vow for “fire” with Mio, was the e-girl succubus Naruse Maria, who held the element of “wood”.
>In the middle of the bed, she sat on his lap, looking up towards him wearing nothing but over-knee socks as she rode him.
>“Aaah, haah Fuuh, ah… Haah, haah… Fuaaaaahn ”
>Her moans grew louder with intoxicating pleasure, she was lost in moving her waist up and down on Basara, as her small elementary schooler body did a lewd dance on Basara’s lap.
>Maria looked at Basara as he fondled her breasts as if covering them from below, as his hardness lewdly pierced into her.
>He had gone all the way inside her, as she moved her hips, the membrane of her vegana was like it was a living creature sucking him in.
Right now, I’m in a graveyard.
A graveyard.
It felt like I had been here for a long time.
And I would probably continue to stay here.
As if I was here before I knew it.
I would probably stay here forever.
I was surrounded by gravestones.
The scenery stole my heart.
Of course, there was no individuality to these gravestones.
They were just arranged side by side in order.
Suddenly, I realized.
That these were the graves of the people I had killed so far.
So far…
The graves of the people who died by my fault.
Dizzily.
My body swayed.
Unstably.
The gravestones surrounding me swayed.
It was the wind’s fault.
A strong wind was blowing.
A strong wind.
The wind was blowing for somebody.
The wind was blowing for somebody’s sake.
It was a ridiculous delusion.
Wind is wind.
Stone is stone.
Dead people are dead people.
Dead people are, in the end, just dead people.
Just like strangers are, in the end, just strangers.
Thinking that, I walked onward.
I walked down the path.
Surrounded by gravestones on both sides,
I walked slowly along the stone path.
It was like a labyrinth.
It was like an impasse.
The more I walked, the more I got lost.
The more I walked, the more I felt lost.
It was like I was being led somewhere.
The water there is bitter.
The water here is sweet.
That too was a ridiculous delusion.
I repeated myself.
I repeated my ridiculous delusions.
The dead.
The people who died for my sake.
But I’m sure that those men,
and I’m sure that those women,
wouldn’t want me to think that their deaths were my fault.
When I realized that,
I felt like the path suddenly opened.
With an exact preciseness, the solution to the labyrinth revealed itself.
With a methodical strictness, the solution to the impasse revealed itself.
Those men.
Those women.
That boy.
That girl.
That person.
That person.
That person and that person and that person and that person.
There’s no doubt that they all lived their lives to the fullest.
They didn’t half-ass it.
Then.
Then I too.
Should live my life to the fullest.
Those men.
Those women.
That boy.
That girl.
That person.
That person.
That person and that person and that person and that person.
Even if they didn’t wish for it.
Even if that wasn’t something they wished for.
I should live according to my own will.
Enough already.
Enough acting like a child.
The pouting, the jealousy, and the feeling down.
Let’s put an end to my past self.
If I don’t do that, I…
I’m sure I could not even continue living.
And then;
I arrived in front of a gravestone.
There was no path anymore.
There was no other path anymore.
The problem with light novels isn’t that they’re anime and manga related. It’s that they’re usually low effort books that are cheaply churned out en masse for a quick buck. When people write them, it never occurs that instead of taking a bad manga and simply removing all the illustrations, you should actually replace the illustrations with good prose or some sort of written feature. Without that they are just really low effort anime and manga novels.
And here’s the other thing - a good story can elevate a good manga to a great manga, but it’s not the most essential thing. A manga can be good without a good story, sometimes without any story at all. It’s all of the other things that manga appealing as manga. So if you try to do manga, but without all that stuff, it just comes off poorly and misses the point.
They're light because they use simple kanji, as opposed to "real" Japanese novels where you may have to *gasp* crack a dictionary. People need to get it into their heads that light novel = Japanese YA. The difference is light novels have more pervy sex shit to appeal to nerdy teenage boys whereas western YA is more female-targeted.
Hey, that makes a lot more sense- I thought it had to do with the way it was written (the LN I've read seem to have notably less scene setting and background descriptions), but this makes much more sense. Thanks for the info.
I will never take any weeb shit seriously no matter what it is, so yes. No I won't look up a summary or read your post if you give one. Because I know it's crap.
>I'm dogmatic and judge things I haven't looked at
Sounds like a title for a light novel
2 years ago
Anonymous
I would not and will never know if your post is accurate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I won't look up a summary or read your post if you give one. Because I know it's crap. >I would not and will never know if your post is accurate.
Wow, you're quick to adapt
i have read that one – awful YA garbage and i am not even trying to be unfair.
I will never take any weeb shit seriously no matter what it is, so yes. No I won't look up a summary or read your post if you give one. Because I know it's crap.
obviously (niche) weeb media doesn't come close to the "classics" but nonetheless there are some still some competent prose writers. not many but they still exist; i have seen much praise for works like disco wednessday for example and sometimes you just want to have some "Zerstreuung". even works of inconsistent quality can be valuable to a person and perhaps make them reflect.
although i have to admit that i am losing more and more interest in "otaku media"
i have started learning japanese a few years ago and everyday i am asking myself if i shouldn't just give up
i could have read so many amazing novels in that time
the sunk cost fallacy is killing me
The "lightness" of a work has nothing to do with its length.
>Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus? Only 75 pages? Thats some light reading fr fr no cap
Don’t worry anon, I won’t let the weight of the book deceive me as to the weightiness of its contents. 😀
>reading translated monogatari
From zero it would take several years to be able to read the Monogatari series in full in original.
The term light novel is more like a genre description than a hard and fast rule, pic related is a light novel series as well (horizon on the middle of nowhere). Both it and monogatari are pretty atypical however.
No
LNs lack depth and complex prose so you can read 150+ pages an hour if you're not completely braindead
what is this masterpiece?
The monogatari series same as ops picture and pic related is the girl he’s taking about. I haven’t read the light novels but the anime is very good
Translating e-girlcon (?) with pedophile... Idk
I have news for you pedo.
alright ill bite, the frick are these things? As a genre the frick are they usually about?
Goblin Rape
Teenage problems mixed with Japanese culture and every anime trope ever conceived
The IQfy and /jp/ equivalent of pulp. Pic related is an exception to the rule but most of these things are fantasy. They're briskly paced and contain occasional page illustrations. They also often have comically long titles
Oh god i think i've seen these things. A girl at work is tying to have me read The scum villains something, something, something. She saw me reading The Magic Mountain and she asked me if it was fantasy.
She is a cute weeb tho, just knows shit about lit. No crime in that.
You should date her anon
When i was younger cute mixed race weeb girls were like gold dust. Now it's less special.
Maybe. i will. She is kinda young and immature tho, and not in a sexy way.
Bro she better be legal man.
you haven't read enough yet to understand..
lol she's 21, im 30 next month.
Some people can just not give a shit a bout that and just have sex all the time, but i think ill die of boredom first .
Don’t fall for it. Consumerist women are just basedjaks in sisguise. They have no personality, have too many guy friends for your comfort once you take notice and although good at hiding them seemingly always are affected by some mental condition. When she calls you daddy, you better go to get some milk.
It’s not an exception. I don’t know why people try to apologize for the Monogatari series as some exception.
just learn nip and read it moron
Imagine spending several years to learn a foreign language for the express purpose of reading a single series of low brow dime store novels.
No apologies, I was just saying it wasn't medieval fantasy like so many other light novels
>I don’t know why people try to apologize for the Monogatari series as some exception.
I've heard Monogatari is actually placed in the "regular" books shelf instead of the one meant for LNs in Japanese bookstores, but I have no way to confirm this.
Most likely, they’re suffering from the same thing we are where you walk into a book store and most of the store is toys and comics while what few books they do have are like low brow being advertised as high brow, or maybe they don’t care.
I like Monogatari but maybe it’s like their Harry Potter, you know? It’s just a story for teenage boys but they talk about it like you’d talk about Proust.
>I've heard Monogatari is actually placed in the "regular" books shelf instead of the one meant for LNs in Japanese bookstores
it's not, it's about a horny teenager, his harem of young women, it has characters fighting and shouting at each other whilst doing so, it has illustrations of the characters and some scenes as is normal for light novels. in some respects it's even worse than other light novels as the author just inserts his fetishes in order to start a new character arc
it's excused because of the way it is written. it has more difficult kanji and uses them appropriately. there's a lot of play on words, self commentary, sentences structured ambiguously to setup a joke usually flat and pertaining to japanese writing and it's general long windedness.
It's probably not worth it to learn japanese just for this series but it's a good stepping stone from easier material to more pure literature
A lot of people think the books weren’t so much an otaku indulgence as a subversion of otaku indulgence. The perception is that the guy is a serious writer who used otaku tropes as an method of post-modern irony, then ran with it.
If that's true, it indeed would be peak irony considering it's entire fanbase takes it at face value and has discussions like who is their favorite waifu.
If you make a otaku wish fullfillment fantasy, but make it self aware, does it stop being otaku wish fullfillment fantasy? At least on that part the writer failed, since that's what its entire fanbase it consuming it as. But it would be pretty funny if the books really are a meta-joke about otakus and otakus themselves are happily consuming it, blissfully unaware.
>But it would be pretty funny if the books really are a meta-joke about otakus and otakus themselves are happily consuming it, blissfully unaware.
That's basically the situation with Eva – especially with the rebuild movies.
this was pretty clear in EVA though. people didn't really like a ~25 year series being ended with "touch grass"
The rebuilt movies exist so he had an excuse to leave old projects and start new ones. That’s it. He’s probably the most dishonest director out there.
No, it doesn’t.
Yeah, it's a pretty far fetched theory, considering there's some 30 books in the series. You'd think the author would've grown tired of the facade at some point.
it's worse than YA.
Terrible fanfiction tier anime '''''books''''
Which ones have you read?
I read Kizumonogatari a while back, and thought it was kind of shit. I asked IQfy about it, and apparently it's only good in Japanese because translations cannot represent it faithfully, since a large part of what makes it good is its unique prose. So if you're not reading it in Japanese, I wouldn't even bother with gatari. Then again, I wouldn't really bother with light novels in general
>I wouldn't really bother with light novels in general
Which light novels have you read?
can't speak for the translated version but monogatari series is considerably less "light" than the average light novel with a heavy focus on word play (which i would imagine to be entirely lost in translation) and long analogous monologues. it's a light novel in subject matter and theme only
I'm quite enjoying it. It's no Reynard the Fox or Dune, but sometimes a light hearted read is just what someone needs. It's comical, even the translated version has some clever word play and the characters are fun. I could recommend Harry Potter or To Kill a Mocking Bird for some lullsome drivel.
There’s wordplay which doesn’t translate well but otherwise, it’s exactly the same, arguably worse. And the Monogatari series in general is a higher quality light novel series. These light novels are not good. No one who frequents a literature forum will find them interesting. Young weebs and otakus? Sure. Someone who reads Rilke? No.
Boogiepop and The Twelve Kingdoms are decent translated
Eh, most of them, like anything in any medium or genre, are shit. But there are a handful that are an okay or decent read.
people narrating an anime
Light novels are Japanese young adult fiction hoe big they are doesn't actually matter.
I watched the anime of this and you couldn't pay me to read this pedo shit. I did read the first Haruhi book though and I thought it was pretty good YA. It's kind of like sci-fi John Green, it has that I'm 14 and this is deep sort of thing going for it.
>Continuing on after the vow for “fire” with Mio, was the e-girl succubus Naruse Maria, who held the element of “wood”.
>In the middle of the bed, she sat on his lap, looking up towards him wearing nothing but over-knee socks as she rode him.
>“Aaah, haah Fuuh, ah… Haah, haah… Fuaaaaahn ”
>Her moans grew louder with intoxicating pleasure, she was lost in moving her waist up and down on Basara, as her small elementary schooler body did a lewd dance on Basara’s lap.
>Maria looked at Basara as he fondled her breasts as if covering them from below, as his hardness lewdly pierced into her.
>He had gone all the way inside her, as she moved her hips, the membrane of her vegana was like it was a living creature sucking him in.
Jesus that's terrible. I've read better porn on ff.net written by Russian ESL.
Right now, I’m in a graveyard.
A graveyard.
It felt like I had been here for a long time.
And I would probably continue to stay here.
As if I was here before I knew it.
I would probably stay here forever.
I was surrounded by gravestones.
The scenery stole my heart.
Of course, there was no individuality to these gravestones.
They were just arranged side by side in order.
Suddenly, I realized.
That these were the graves of the people I had killed so far.
So far…
The graves of the people who died by my fault.
Dizzily.
My body swayed.
Unstably.
The gravestones surrounding me swayed.
It was the wind’s fault.
A strong wind was blowing.
A strong wind.
The wind was blowing for somebody.
The wind was blowing for somebody’s sake.
It was a ridiculous delusion.
Wind is wind.
Stone is stone.
Dead people are dead people.
Dead people are, in the end, just dead people.
Just like strangers are, in the end, just strangers.
Thinking that, I walked onward.
I walked down the path.
Surrounded by gravestones on both sides,
I walked slowly along the stone path.
It was like a labyrinth.
It was like an impasse.
The more I walked, the more I got lost.
The more I walked, the more I felt lost.
It was like I was being led somewhere.
The water there is bitter.
The water here is sweet.
That too was a ridiculous delusion.
I repeated myself.
I repeated my ridiculous delusions.
The dead.
The people who died for my sake.
But I’m sure that those men,
and I’m sure that those women,
wouldn’t want me to think that their deaths were my fault.
When I realized that,
I felt like the path suddenly opened.
With an exact preciseness, the solution to the labyrinth revealed itself.
With a methodical strictness, the solution to the impasse revealed itself.
Those men.
Those women.
That boy.
That girl.
That person.
That person.
That person and that person and that person and that person.
There’s no doubt that they all lived their lives to the fullest.
They didn’t half-ass it.
Then.
Then I too.
Should live my life to the fullest.
Those men.
Those women.
That boy.
That girl.
That person.
That person.
That person and that person and that person and that person.
Even if they didn’t wish for it.
Even if that wasn’t something they wished for.
I should live according to my own will.
Enough already.
Enough acting like a child.
The pouting, the jealousy, and the feeling down.
Let’s put an end to my past self.
If I don’t do that, I…
I’m sure I could not even continue living.
And then;
I arrived in front of a gravestone.
There was no path anymore.
There was no other path anymore.
The problem with light novels isn’t that they’re anime and manga related. It’s that they’re usually low effort books that are cheaply churned out en masse for a quick buck. When people write them, it never occurs that instead of taking a bad manga and simply removing all the illustrations, you should actually replace the illustrations with good prose or some sort of written feature. Without that they are just really low effort anime and manga novels.
And here’s the other thing - a good story can elevate a good manga to a great manga, but it’s not the most essential thing. A manga can be good without a good story, sometimes without any story at all. It’s all of the other things that manga appealing as manga. So if you try to do manga, but without all that stuff, it just comes off poorly and misses the point.
it's light reading because the prose consists mostly of air.
They're light because they use simple kanji, as opposed to "real" Japanese novels where you may have to *gasp* crack a dictionary. People need to get it into their heads that light novel = Japanese YA. The difference is light novels have more pervy sex shit to appeal to nerdy teenage boys whereas western YA is more female-targeted.
Yeah. But people on IQfy don’t read so they don’t know.
Hey, that makes a lot more sense- I thought it had to do with the way it was written (the LN I've read seem to have notably less scene setting and background descriptions), but this makes much more sense. Thanks for the info.
is the current season good?
It's "light" because it is aesthetically and thematically insubstantial regardless of length
>Three Days of Happiness
>thematically insubstantial
I will never take any weeb shit seriously no matter what it is, so yes. No I won't look up a summary or read your post if you give one. Because I know it's crap.
>I'm dogmatic and judge things I haven't looked at
Sounds like a title for a light novel
I would not and will never know if your post is accurate.
>I won't look up a summary or read your post if you give one. Because I know it's crap.
>I would not and will never know if your post is accurate.
Wow, you're quick to adapt
i have read that one – awful YA garbage and i am not even trying to be unfair.
obviously (niche) weeb media doesn't come close to the "classics" but nonetheless there are some still some competent prose writers. not many but they still exist; i have seen much praise for works like disco wednessday for example and sometimes you just want to have some "Zerstreuung". even works of inconsistent quality can be valuable to a person and perhaps make them reflect.
although i have to admit that i am losing more and more interest in "otaku media"
i have started learning japanese a few years ago and everyday i am asking myself if i shouldn't just give up
i could have read so many amazing novels in that time
the sunk cost fallacy is killing me
IQfy bros how do I get a Kiss Shot Acerola Iron Heart Under Blade gf IRL?
>Is YA highbrow because I read a lot of it
kys