>it's another anon doesn't know what is the use case for linux episode
can't say I'm too surprised, but on IQfy? c'mon now bet you keep a windows 7 install too filled up to the brim with exploits and malware
shame
>>it's another anon doesn't know what is the use case for linux episode
what in the frick are you talking about? anon, what do you mean by use case? did you know all supercomputers are now linux? did you know linux runs in all spacecraft? did you know linux is on the majority of phones on the planet? did you know linux is almost all kiosk machines? did you know linux powers most of the servers on the internet? anon, are you really a massively stupid pedophile?
>slow
Not anymore >no Bluetooth support
It used to have it, I feel like I was the only user. Dropped as a security concern and as a security focused OS I can understand that. >server OS
It's dogfooded by the devs, it's a desktop OS. It even ships with multiple first party WMs
>Not anymore
Huh, seriously? That's pretty interesting, I'll have to give it another go. If the speed is in any way comparable to Linux or FreeBSD then I'll eat my own hat. >Dropped as a security concern and as a security focused OS I can understand that.
To be fair, I very rarely use Bluetooth at all. I could probably do just fine without any support at all, but it is a nice feature to have just in case. >It's dogfooded by the devs
FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine without this selling point.
>FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine >he >doesn't >know
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine without this selling point.
FreeBSD is not in fact doing fine, and the fact that its devs are all gays on Macbooks is probably not helping.
Please elaborate. >at its devs are all gays on Macbooks
Yet I'm pretty sure FreeBSD has more hardware support than macOS. We're not exactly talking about a hobby project like Redox OS here.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
FreeBSD does not even support modern graphical hardware natively.
NVIDIA for whatever reason still does provide the proprietary closed driver for it.
AMD and Intel are only supported by leeching Linux DRM code.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>FreeBSD does not even support modern graphical hardware natively.
Isn't that basically true for any OS except Windows and maybe Linux?
LONG story short it has basically deteriorated into an overly politicized, half assed linux copy for special cases like use by netflix. there is no reason whatsoever to use it, it doesn't even work ootb on reasonable consumer hardware half the time. everything is relatively bloaty, hacky and poorly thought out as they try to copy linux as much as possible. openbsd has surpassed them in donations past few years. use google or the archive you lazy frick
might as well stick with linux if you don't care about security/simplicity/correctness and care about performance and features
[...] >AMD and Intel are only supported by leeching Linux DRM code
openbsd also imports linux DRM code, that's not the reason freebsd is shit
>use google or the archive you lazy frick
Yeah, yeah, I know. Thanks for taking the time to explain anyway.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I ask God to write my drivers instead of pajeets.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How's that working out for you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
does not even support modern graphical hardware natively. >Isn't that basically true for any OS except Windows and maybe Linux?
It's the case for Windows, Linux (including Android) and macOS. So basically 99.9% of graphical devices.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and macOS
Pretty sure Apple Silicon Macs don't support graphics cards.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So they are communicating with Braille terminals or what?
Of course they support graphics cards - their own integrated ones. They do not support external ones when running on Apple Silicon, yet.
However running macOS on Intel hardware allows you to use eGPUs via Thunderbolt, so the OS-level support is there.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>However running macOS on Intel hardware allows you to use eGPUs via Thunderbolt
but.. it will still need drivers... internal or external
heh I have one of those alibaba pci-express for wifi to external pci express shits here, but I never used it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but.. it will still need drivers... internal or external
What are you on about? Apple supplies native drivers for AMD Radeons internal or external - https://support.apple.com/en-us/102363
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
so amd atleast, but no pic relatated
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You know why? Apple doesn't want to deal with NVIDIA. It's a political problem, not a technical one.
If you download the leaked NVIDIA drivers you'll see that macOS was supported internally.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You know why? Apple doesn't want to deal with NVIDIA. It's a political problem, not a technical one.
I suspecteded this from apples side too
but nvidia... yeah.. I haven't followed this late shit what's supposed to happen. I hope they fricking just opensauce the shit, it's not only for gfx but god damn fricking cuda as well
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Unfortunately CUDA is never, ever going to be open. It's too important.
However their huge business partners (think cloud vendors) demanded that NVIDIA end their stupid cat-and-mouse game with the Linux kernel developers over the proprietary driver and GPL. So NVIDIA moved all the required parts into a huge firmware blob, created an open driver to interface the blob to the rest of Linux and called it that. Now there won't be breakage of NV drivers during kernel updates.
At the same time this is going to help the open 3D nouveau driver, and the upcoming nvk driver, so at least the Linux desktop has a chance of having a fully open stack (sans that huge firmware) for modern (RTX 2000 and newer) NVIDIA hardware in the future.
Compute is still going to be locked to NVIDIA, and that's fine since it's all userspace anyway.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the open 3D nouveau driver, and the upcoming nvk driver,
reee why two
also all these clusters will be stuck on linux then and can never run ie freebsd. .I don't get them man, they are holding the world hostage
I dunno today but my campus cluster was debian, chock full of nvidia cards.. I'm sliding. heh I wonder if I still have access too it or not
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>reee why two
Why what? The NVIDIA open driver will expose features needed to use the open Mesa 3D drivers for OpenGL and Vulkan. It was impossible before since NVIDIA forbade distribution of their firmware blobs, an obstacle they themselves now removed. That is a good thing even for BSDs - they can rip this support from Linux just like the did Intel and AMD. >also all these clusters will be stuck on linux then and can never run ie freebsd. .I don't get them man, they are holding the world hostage
Why would you want to run FreeBSD on a cluster? There is no support for most features, and I doubt anyone is even testing huge machines with it. OpenBSD only recently gained proper support for multicore CPUs, so it's not any better.
There's a reason Linux killed every single competitor in the supercomputer/HPC market, including all the paid UNIXes of the past. >I dunno today but my campus cluster was debian, chock full of nvidia cards.. I'm sliding. heh I wonder if I still have access too it or not
Everyone uses Linux + NVIDIA for GPU compute because nothing else comes even close in terms of software support.
Intel's Ponte Vecchio series of server GPUs was a failure so bad its next generation is already cancelled. They do have oneAPI which is a set of software tools that's approaching what NVIDIA offers with CUDA, but only approaches. AMD offering are laughable in comparison, and only get support for the highest end CDNA chips. There is only ONE series of modern Radeon that's officially supported in their compute stack - the RX 7900 series, whole three (3) models. Intel supports everything from iGPUs to dGPUS, same with NVIDIA.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why would you want to run FreeBSD on a cluster?
the point isn't why would you? the point is why can't you?
who are they to set these restrictions? esp in academia..
no I never worked on cluster mates mine did I don't know enough. but the whole point is who are they to restrict this!?!
and all sure.. but the thing in acedemia, you are not supposed to be restricted by anyone or anything
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the point isn't why would you? the point is why can't you?
You can. The problem is that it will perform worse than Linux and will be harder to manage. >who are they to set these restrictions? esp in academia.. >no I never worked on cluster mates mine did I don't know enough. but the whole point is who are they to restrict this!?! >and all sure.. but the thing in acedemia, you are not supposed to be restricted by anyone or anything
What restrictions? They use whatever tool is best for the job, and that is Linux. At least at the moment.
It's not like Linus Torvalds is paying them to use it or anything. It's all free software and choices are based on merits, in this case performance and ease of management.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
this is really on fricking nvidia though
was going to run a partition with open on this laptop I bought last fall, but prev version didn't support my intel nic. haven't checked the new one
freebsd 13 didn't wanna, heck most linux distros didn't in the start either. only ubuntu, so had to install gentoo via ubuntu
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
LONG story short it has basically deteriorated into an overly politicized, half assed linux copy for special cases like use by netflix. there is no reason whatsoever to use it, it doesn't even work ootb on reasonable consumer hardware half the time. everything is relatively bloaty, hacky and poorly thought out as they try to copy linux as much as possible. openbsd has surpassed them in donations past few years. use google or the archive you lazy frick
might as well stick with linux if you don't care about security/simplicity/correctness and care about performance and features
FreeBSD does not even support modern graphical hardware natively.
NVIDIA for whatever reason still does provide the proprietary closed driver for it.
AMD and Intel are only supported by leeching Linux DRM code.
>AMD and Intel are only supported by leeching Linux DRM code
openbsd also imports linux DRM code, that's not the reason freebsd is shit
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>openbsd also imports linux DRM code, that's not the reason freebsd is shit
They are both shit in hardware support, which was the point i was responding to.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
if your hardware (laptop) is more than 3 years old it's basically guaranteed to be fully supported. hell, apmd is more reliable than linux most of the time. apropos the driver manpages to make sure
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nope, not a chance. I'd have given you the point of desktops having more or less equivalent support (thanks to leeching Linux), but laptops are absolutely not better supported than on Linux. Not even by a mile.
Even SPI and I2C keyboards for modern laptops are barely supported. Only a single driver for older macbook SPI keyboards is in 14 which isn't even released. And don't get me started on touchpads, which are even more of an issue.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the only part concerning linux is the DRM graphics drivers
here is a short list of relatively new laptops, as you can see most of which have full support:
https://jcs.org/openbsd-laptops
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the only part concerning linux is the DRM graphics drivers
You mean the most complex part that's not native?
Either way those are at most 11th gen, we're on 14th gen now with 15th coming later this year. Intel is releasing a next generation driver for their Xe GPUs under Linux so there's a lot of cop... work for the BSDs incoming.
>FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine without this selling point.
FreeBSD is not in fact doing fine, and the fact that its devs are all gays on Macbooks is probably not helping.
>FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine without this selling point.
FreeBSD was recently abandoned by their most prominent supporter - ixSystems, creators of FreeNAS. The name was changed to TrueNAS CORE in order to disaggregate themselves from FreeBSD. Also their main edition is now Debian-, thus Linux-based TrueNAS Scale.
They even offer upgrades from CORE to Scale. >Right now the plan for CORE is to release a 13.1 update in Q1 of 2024. >This will be a maintenance-only type update which includes an update to the FreeBSD base, OpenZFS and Samba. >No new features expected. >We have no plans for a FreeBSD 14-based TrueNAS at this time, and the 13.1 release will be a longer-lived maintenance
It's over.
Without ix FreeBSD wouldn't even have modern ZFS since their fork was long abandoned. They now use OpenZFS which is ZFS for Linux.
The bluetooth stack was shitty code ported from NetBSD and was dropped for that fact people are welcome to write a new stack and make a request, we will however not maintain it
>reee why two
Why what? The NVIDIA open driver will expose features needed to use the open Mesa 3D drivers for OpenGL and Vulkan. It was impossible before since NVIDIA forbade distribution of their firmware blobs, an obstacle they themselves now removed. That is a good thing even for BSDs - they can rip this support from Linux just like the did Intel and AMD. >also all these clusters will be stuck on linux then and can never run ie freebsd. .I don't get them man, they are holding the world hostage
Why would you want to run FreeBSD on a cluster? There is no support for most features, and I doubt anyone is even testing huge machines with it. OpenBSD only recently gained proper support for multicore CPUs, so it's not any better.
There's a reason Linux killed every single competitor in the supercomputer/HPC market, including all the paid UNIXes of the past. >I dunno today but my campus cluster was debian, chock full of nvidia cards.. I'm sliding. heh I wonder if I still have access too it or not
Everyone uses Linux + NVIDIA for GPU compute because nothing else comes even close in terms of software support.
Intel's Ponte Vecchio series of server GPUs was a failure so bad its next generation is already cancelled. They do have oneAPI which is a set of software tools that's approaching what NVIDIA offers with CUDA, but only approaches. AMD offering are laughable in comparison, and only get support for the highest end CDNA chips. There is only ONE series of modern Radeon that's officially supported in their compute stack - the RX 7900 series, whole three (3) models. Intel supports everything from iGPUs to dGPUS, same with NVIDIA.
I understand man, nobody can compete with nvidia. is just a big problem when they do like this buurp
Does it have CUDA support yet?
>better
>except worse
>much worse
>it's another anon doesn't know what is the use case for linux episode
can't say I'm too surprised, but on IQfy? c'mon now bet you keep a windows 7 install too filled up to the brim with exploits and malware
shame
>>it's another anon doesn't know what is the use case for linux episode
what in the frick are you talking about? anon, what do you mean by use case? did you know all supercomputers are now linux? did you know linux runs in all spacecraft? did you know linux is on the majority of phones on the planet? did you know linux is almost all kiosk machines? did you know linux powers most of the servers on the internet? anon, are you really a massively stupid pedophile?
So better than ``like Linux''. ``Almost GNU+Linux'' except infested with FBI and infected with a cuck license. lol
It's all I use for severs. Not very usable on the desktop though.
I appreciate that it's not bloated with half-baked features and trashy optimizations.
I once had an abusive relationship with OpenBSD and it was nice, But now I am back on Linux which treads me well, and I love it
>had an abusive relationship
>Linux treads me well
>treads
i mean just look at those big Black person lips
at least choose FreeBSD like a white man
Where's the Edomite Khazarian?
How do you see flags on IQfy? New addon?
If it can run hyprland and play games I'd try it.
>slow
>no Bluetooth support
It's a server OS and it will never be anything more by design.
>slow
Not anymore
>no Bluetooth support
It used to have it, I feel like I was the only user. Dropped as a security concern and as a security focused OS I can understand that.
>server OS
It's dogfooded by the devs, it's a desktop OS. It even ships with multiple first party WMs
>Not anymore
Huh, seriously? That's pretty interesting, I'll have to give it another go. If the speed is in any way comparable to Linux or FreeBSD then I'll eat my own hat.
>Dropped as a security concern and as a security focused OS I can understand that.
To be fair, I very rarely use Bluetooth at all. I could probably do just fine without any support at all, but it is a nice feature to have just in case.
>It's dogfooded by the devs
FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine without this selling point.
>FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine
>he
>doesn't
>know
Please elaborate.
>at its devs are all gays on Macbooks
Yet I'm pretty sure FreeBSD has more hardware support than macOS. We're not exactly talking about a hobby project like Redox OS here.
FreeBSD does not even support modern graphical hardware natively.
NVIDIA for whatever reason still does provide the proprietary closed driver for it.
AMD and Intel are only supported by leeching Linux DRM code.
>FreeBSD does not even support modern graphical hardware natively.
Isn't that basically true for any OS except Windows and maybe Linux?
>use google or the archive you lazy frick
Yeah, yeah, I know. Thanks for taking the time to explain anyway.
I ask God to write my drivers instead of pajeets.
How's that working out for you?
does not even support modern graphical hardware natively.
>Isn't that basically true for any OS except Windows and maybe Linux?
It's the case for Windows, Linux (including Android) and macOS. So basically 99.9% of graphical devices.
>and macOS
Pretty sure Apple Silicon Macs don't support graphics cards.
So they are communicating with Braille terminals or what?
Of course they support graphics cards - their own integrated ones. They do not support external ones when running on Apple Silicon, yet.
However running macOS on Intel hardware allows you to use eGPUs via Thunderbolt, so the OS-level support is there.
>However running macOS on Intel hardware allows you to use eGPUs via Thunderbolt
but.. it will still need drivers... internal or external
heh I have one of those alibaba pci-express for wifi to external pci express shits here, but I never used it
>but.. it will still need drivers... internal or external
What are you on about? Apple supplies native drivers for AMD Radeons internal or external - https://support.apple.com/en-us/102363
so amd atleast, but no pic relatated
You know why? Apple doesn't want to deal with NVIDIA. It's a political problem, not a technical one.
If you download the leaked NVIDIA drivers you'll see that macOS was supported internally.
>You know why? Apple doesn't want to deal with NVIDIA. It's a political problem, not a technical one.
I suspecteded this from apples side too
but nvidia... yeah.. I haven't followed this late shit what's supposed to happen. I hope they fricking just opensauce the shit, it's not only for gfx but god damn fricking cuda as well
Unfortunately CUDA is never, ever going to be open. It's too important.
However their huge business partners (think cloud vendors) demanded that NVIDIA end their stupid cat-and-mouse game with the Linux kernel developers over the proprietary driver and GPL. So NVIDIA moved all the required parts into a huge firmware blob, created an open driver to interface the blob to the rest of Linux and called it that. Now there won't be breakage of NV drivers during kernel updates.
At the same time this is going to help the open 3D nouveau driver, and the upcoming nvk driver, so at least the Linux desktop has a chance of having a fully open stack (sans that huge firmware) for modern (RTX 2000 and newer) NVIDIA hardware in the future.
Compute is still going to be locked to NVIDIA, and that's fine since it's all userspace anyway.
>the open 3D nouveau driver, and the upcoming nvk driver,
reee why two
also all these clusters will be stuck on linux then and can never run ie freebsd. .I don't get them man, they are holding the world hostage
I dunno today but my campus cluster was debian, chock full of nvidia cards.. I'm sliding. heh I wonder if I still have access too it or not
>reee why two
Why what? The NVIDIA open driver will expose features needed to use the open Mesa 3D drivers for OpenGL and Vulkan. It was impossible before since NVIDIA forbade distribution of their firmware blobs, an obstacle they themselves now removed. That is a good thing even for BSDs - they can rip this support from Linux just like the did Intel and AMD.
>also all these clusters will be stuck on linux then and can never run ie freebsd. .I don't get them man, they are holding the world hostage
Why would you want to run FreeBSD on a cluster? There is no support for most features, and I doubt anyone is even testing huge machines with it. OpenBSD only recently gained proper support for multicore CPUs, so it's not any better.
There's a reason Linux killed every single competitor in the supercomputer/HPC market, including all the paid UNIXes of the past.
>I dunno today but my campus cluster was debian, chock full of nvidia cards.. I'm sliding. heh I wonder if I still have access too it or not
Everyone uses Linux + NVIDIA for GPU compute because nothing else comes even close in terms of software support.
Intel's Ponte Vecchio series of server GPUs was a failure so bad its next generation is already cancelled. They do have oneAPI which is a set of software tools that's approaching what NVIDIA offers with CUDA, but only approaches. AMD offering are laughable in comparison, and only get support for the highest end CDNA chips. There is only ONE series of modern Radeon that's officially supported in their compute stack - the RX 7900 series, whole three (3) models. Intel supports everything from iGPUs to dGPUS, same with NVIDIA.
>Why would you want to run FreeBSD on a cluster?
the point isn't why would you? the point is why can't you?
who are they to set these restrictions? esp in academia..
no I never worked on cluster mates mine did I don't know enough. but the whole point is who are they to restrict this!?!
and all sure.. but the thing in acedemia, you are not supposed to be restricted by anyone or anything
>the point isn't why would you? the point is why can't you?
You can. The problem is that it will perform worse than Linux and will be harder to manage.
>who are they to set these restrictions? esp in academia..
>no I never worked on cluster mates mine did I don't know enough. but the whole point is who are they to restrict this!?!
>and all sure.. but the thing in acedemia, you are not supposed to be restricted by anyone or anything
What restrictions? They use whatever tool is best for the job, and that is Linux. At least at the moment.
It's not like Linus Torvalds is paying them to use it or anything. It's all free software and choices are based on merits, in this case performance and ease of management.
this is really on fricking nvidia though
was going to run a partition with open on this laptop I bought last fall, but prev version didn't support my intel nic. haven't checked the new one
freebsd 13 didn't wanna, heck most linux distros didn't in the start either. only ubuntu, so had to install gentoo via ubuntu
LONG story short it has basically deteriorated into an overly politicized, half assed linux copy for special cases like use by netflix. there is no reason whatsoever to use it, it doesn't even work ootb on reasonable consumer hardware half the time. everything is relatively bloaty, hacky and poorly thought out as they try to copy linux as much as possible. openbsd has surpassed them in donations past few years. use google or the archive you lazy frick
might as well stick with linux if you don't care about security/simplicity/correctness and care about performance and features
>AMD and Intel are only supported by leeching Linux DRM code
openbsd also imports linux DRM code, that's not the reason freebsd is shit
>openbsd also imports linux DRM code, that's not the reason freebsd is shit
They are both shit in hardware support, which was the point i was responding to.
if your hardware (laptop) is more than 3 years old it's basically guaranteed to be fully supported. hell, apmd is more reliable than linux most of the time. apropos the driver manpages to make sure
Nope, not a chance. I'd have given you the point of desktops having more or less equivalent support (thanks to leeching Linux), but laptops are absolutely not better supported than on Linux. Not even by a mile.
Even SPI and I2C keyboards for modern laptops are barely supported. Only a single driver for older macbook SPI keyboards is in 14 which isn't even released. And don't get me started on touchpads, which are even more of an issue.
the only part concerning linux is the DRM graphics drivers
here is a short list of relatively new laptops, as you can see most of which have full support:
https://jcs.org/openbsd-laptops
>the only part concerning linux is the DRM graphics drivers
You mean the most complex part that's not native?
Either way those are at most 11th gen, we're on 14th gen now with 15th coming later this year. Intel is releasing a next generation driver for their Xe GPUs under Linux so there's a lot of cop... work for the BSDs incoming.
>FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine without this selling point.
FreeBSD is not in fact doing fine, and the fact that its devs are all gays on Macbooks is probably not helping.
>FreeBSD seems to be doing just fine without this selling point.
FreeBSD was recently abandoned by their most prominent supporter - ixSystems, creators of FreeNAS. The name was changed to TrueNAS CORE in order to disaggregate themselves from FreeBSD. Also their main edition is now Debian-, thus Linux-based TrueNAS Scale.
They even offer upgrades from CORE to Scale.
>Right now the plan for CORE is to release a 13.1 update in Q1 of 2024.
>This will be a maintenance-only type update which includes an update to the FreeBSD base, OpenZFS and Samba.
>No new features expected.
>We have no plans for a FreeBSD 14-based TrueNAS at this time, and the 13.1 release will be a longer-lived maintenance
It's over.
Without ix FreeBSD wouldn't even have modern ZFS since their fork was long abandoned. They now use OpenZFS which is ZFS for Linux.
The bluetooth stack was shitty code ported from NetBSD and was dropped for that fact people are welcome to write a new stack and make a request, we will however not maintain it
that hedgehog is full of piss
pkg_add xfce
What I really like about openbsd is it's out of the box networking packages. You can build own isp with openbgp and pf without any external packages
so its bloated shit
0.001% users use it to build own isp
What's the use-case for better?
Can it play games?
On BSD games are text based adventures, yes.
Played openttd on obsd. Aside an sndio bug, it worked fine.
lol I think I did it too I had to check if it existed, supposedly freeciv is there too.. if it works however.. .
some of these older ones too I am sure I've played it there
>support for less devices
>support for less software on those devices that do work
>somehow better
cuck license
glowie nice try go back to fsb nsa
I understand man, nobody can compete with nvidia. is just a big problem when they do like this buurp
Irrelevant for users
It needs Wine support. That keeps me on Linux, sorry.
wine openbsd.. hahahahahaha
>It needs Wine support.
WINE is dependent on Linux now or systems with GNU-isms.
I unironically use it because it's less mainstream than linux
That's just sad.
Less sad than Linux users, who only use Linux because it's less mainstream than Windows.