i apply to everywhere i can, i apply to every job i see get a listing posted for within walking distance of me, i apply for shitty remote jobs and call centers, i even used loans to get certifications in microsoft cloud stuff, and yet nobody will hire me at all (i never even get anything back from the people i apply for in regards to an interview or anything). i dont have experience, but its kind of hard to get experience when nobody will hire you, and its hard to get hired when you dont have experience, so like i feel like im shit outta luck here. if anyone can potentially answer: wat do pls ty
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>i dont have experience, but its kind of hard to get experience when nobody will hire you
Which field?
all; retail, customer service, various it fields, etc. literally anything i could apply for that i could within 3 leaps of judgement be half qualified to do
that is absolute last straw lol, i would really really love to not do that, but its on a lil shitty cardboard flap at the bottom of my list, juuuust above the "have a nice day" option
Post pic of anonymised CV.
In IT you can easily grind experience yourself by just having private projects. Those you do abandon or think you can't leverage long term you can upload on GitHub to have a direct portfolio.
i dont have a CV, but i can run down what would basically be on it if i had one:
- GED
- AZ900/104 certification
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thats it
i have no skills that i can say i have without basically being like "just trust me lol"
also the field of IT im spec'ing into does not involve anything that would fit on github, its all just "i can do stuff in the cloud, heres my fancy pdf to prove that :)"
im either making this painfully obvious to describe, or complicating things beyond what is necessary. i apologize and thank the people that have replied to this post for taking the time to do so
thats what i fear is my main issue, the resume. ive been told that theres ways to build it from nothing but id have to see it to believe it... ill inquire with the relevant people further whenever i can
>dont have a CV
Make one, then. Pretty sure most larger companies simply don't consider you further if you don't have one. Lots of them pre-filter applications with usually crappy algorithms/AI.
>i have no skills that i can say i have without basically being like "just trust me lol"
Unless you are in your 30's that is fine.
Put some soft skills on your CV, too. "Can work in teams, likes challenges" or something like that. HR c**ts are normies of the highest degree who do not understand what Azure is.
If you do cover letters, write why you want THIS position in THIS company. Make it specific enough for them to think you actually care but partially generic enough to re-use some parts in other cover letters.
Nobody gives a frick about personal projects anymore
why not? What do they care about?
Consider military enlistment. Save money and capitalize on their educations programs. Leave immediately when you're done.
>but u going to die
>but u going to be sent to war
Maybe, yeah.
Kinda same experience, had a friend who applied to 40 jobs too recently and heard back from none of them. I think the job market's just really shit right now.
I had to apply to over 100 jobs over a couple months to finally get a job. It's really just a numbers game, you can also ATS optimize your resume for each individual listing but that only does so much and honestly I didn't find it that helpful for how much time it took. Just make sure you have a solid, easily readable resume and just spam apply. Dont give up
>I think the job market's just really shit right now.
> It's really just a numbers game
This anon is right, I'm going into month 2 of my job search and at least I get the interviews rolling, week in week out, got something daily. Keeps you on your toes, teaches to talk, allows to learn about the recruitment processes, stages of interviews etc, makes you better at presenting yourself thus increasing your chances.
Got 3 rejections already, have 5 more companies in the pipeline, and will keep applying. I simply refuse to feel down or give up, simply won't do it 😀
You have to pick one speciality and craft a CV specifically for that type of a job. Talk to ChatGPT about it, it will literally guide you through the process and will gladly assist in bullshitting your way through the CV filters. Microsoft Cloud? Good, call yourself a DevOps and write how you're PASSIONATE about Azure.
(me)
>ATS optimize
To expand on this for OP
, simply just nitpick keywords from the job listing, from the requirements/skills section, such as i dont know, if you work in tech "DevOps", "JavaScript", etc, and even buzzwords they include like "must be driven", "must be a good multitasker", and plug them all into your resume somehow. It can be under experience for a previous job even if that previous job had nothing to do with those skills, or it can be under a summary or skills section (this is especially why having a summary/skills section is great, it's very good for keyword stuffing).
If you don't know what an ATS is or how it works, I suggest you google a little about it, but it's essentially software that processes your resume before it gets viewed by human eyes; it will tell the HR roastie what exactly your skillset is, how many times a certain specified keyword pops up (so its never a bad thing to include multiple of the same keyword), etcetera etcetera.
As for some basic resume advice: Don't make it fancy (unless your field is graphic design), make it extremely simple, and easy to read + parse. The average employer takes like 7 seconds to read a resume before making an initial yes/no decision; keep that in mind when you're writing it. The most important bullet points under your experiences should come first, and the first couple words of those bullet points need to be the most captivating and striking. Remember, your resume is essentially just an advertisement to your prospective employer & their HR roastie; so write it like an advertisement, and write it like it's going to be sifted through along with hundreds of other resumes, so if it's hard to read, employers won't waste their time on you
Once one actually interviews, call them back two business days after the interview if not already hired just to "confirm your interest in the position".
moronic phone call to have to make but causes them to be far more likely to hire you.
Not OP but it's literally the first time I hear about such a way to follow-up. Can you elaborate?
Your reply rates on Indeed are abysmal because bots and morons spam applications without looking at the job, and even serious job seekers are all applying to 100 jobs
The HR person is stupid but also doesn't want to read 500 applications for each position
In-person interviews are less terrible but the same
Are they actually interested or is it a """practice interview""" (some people are moronic)
Are they actually going to show up first day or be lazy, "have a panic attack from social anxiety", and "self-sabotage" by no-showing because they have le bad feel about working
Will they show up but be such a bad hire that HR person gets blamed for hiring them
Are they too white and male (nothing you can do about this)
Will you be incredibly passive in your job to the point you won't do anything without being told every single time to do it, and dragging down productivity?
So you call two business days after the interview where they say they'll 'get back to you'.
"Hi yes my name is x, I was just calling to follow up on our interview and just to confirm I'm interested in this position"
This means you are actively seeking the job, online applications don't count and showing up for the interview only counts half.
Doing this puts you somewhere between standard person who interviews and getting called back for second interview (if they do it like that)
They might possibly hire you on the phone or they might set you up with a second interview on the phone, or they may say they'll call you back more probably, and then maybe they do actually call/email you to set up interview or with a job offer or to "walk you through the place".
I have already mentioned it a few times on IQfy so do it now before every tard starts doing it and it becomes the new spamming applications
Thanks for a detailed answer. I guess I'm kind of lucky that I don't need to apply on indeed or something similar as in my country they mostly hire local and the main advantage you can gain is by being referred by another employee of theirs. Never did the calling thing nor did I hear about it from my colleagues or acquaintances that's why I'm so curious. I will try it with a couple of companies during my current job hunt and see how it affects the process.
Yeah, a lot of people get jobs through friends here but less so because we have a lot of various anti-nepotism laws some of which are good but most iffy or bad, and also the government rapes you with more taxes if you don't hire "diverse" enough.
I did the calling thing because I have heard you can "follow up" with people after the interview to "take initiative" and "put the ball in their court" (more than an interview already should) and "single yourself out" so they look at your resume in the stack of them or have you prominent in their mind OR feel like they have a moral obligation to hire you since you must truly need the job OR think that you will work harder because you need the job and will put up with more OR that you're a "go-getter".
It's possible some of them may not hire you because you call them because it's cringe and I can't swear this was why I got jobs but twice now the job I have taken time to call back after the interview was the one that got back to me, or the one that got back to me first, with a formal job offer.
Don't know if culture differs where you're from but may still be effective, it's like the "going in and shaking the boss's hand" thing that zoomers cry about boomers saying.
Yeah it's largely a culture thing and can also be completely misinterpreted by the HR roastie, but definitely worth the try. Zoomers now call everything job related a 'humiliation ritual' and i can't blame them tbh, because your actual job, and the job search coupled with the interview processes are two completely different things. The latter is bloated, gimmicky, and seems nonsensical at times, but I DO get the employers because the amount of morons, freeloaders and actual autists/sociopaths they have tho filter out is insane.
I can and do blame them because they are just making up excuses to leech off of other people and feel proud of it, but yeah the "competency crisis" goes all the way to the top
>Are they too white and male (nothing you can do about this)
Well frick you too. What the frick are we supposed to do then? Unless we're already rich and successful then the non-whites are taking our women and taking our jobs we use to distract from that loneliness. And our media, internet, and to top it off they deny its even happening. What else do we have but weed and rage that will eventually become a war?
>kill the messenger
You're clearly not culturally white so no need to worry.
i appreciate yalls comments, i have saved the thread locally, and will take the advice provided and apply it. again i thank you all very much for taking the time to reply to my point of concern 🙂
1. Find a car/bike.
2. Go to all temporary-work agencies in your area.
3. Give them your resume. Tell them you work well, you have a vehicle and you're free to work any time day/morning/night/etc... Make sure to be available
4. Do as many temp jobs as you can, and BE AS GOOD AS YOU CAN ON THE JOB
5. Ask every employer/manager/teammates how you can improve. Show them you're willing to work well and to learn the job.
6. If there is someone you liked working with then tell them directly and tell the temp agency.
7. Read self-help and business books (audiobooks are fine too). Let their ideology groom you and fake it til you make it.
That's literally the surefire way of finding a job in your case. Someone is gonna hire you in no time.
was having the same problem i only got a job because my grandfathers friend worked at a place that was hiring. try knowing someone