>because you need a house full of batteries to actually supply you 24/7
no? just wire it into the grid, and have your power company reimburse your bill
>and have your power company reimburse your bill
In my country you actually need to pay to push energy on the net, because you could overload its capacity
Yes, it's stupid
>In my country you actually need to pay to push energy on the net, because you could overload its capacity >Yes, it's stupid
Are Americans really this stupid? Who do you think pays when you push energy and break their infrastructure? There's a reason companies sell electricity at negative rates.
I have. I only pay the line fee to be connected to the grid about 9 months out of the year. In the summer, I generate more than I use and the meter spins backwards. The electric company doesn't send me a check, but instead credits my account with that electricity, which I then use for part of the winter. It would probably be zero electric bill year round if I weren't using heat pumps for heating and cooling too, to reduce the gas bill.
I don't have any batteries. The grid is effectively a battery with 100% efficiency. When I use more than I generate, I just use power plant power. When I generate more than I use, I help power my neighbors and reduce load on the power plants.
Is that...a solar panel??
I didn't get the bird exclusion stuff and haven't had problems with them. They don't want to sit on a slippery hot surface, and what shit lands there from flying birds is washed off by the rain.
>The electric company doesn't send me a check, but instead credits my account with that electricity, which I then use for part of the winter.
I meant to add, this depends where you live. Some places they do pay you a fraction of the energy price. Where I live they never pay, but a 100% credit is worth far more.
Also, this arrangement wouldn't be very viable if everyone did it. If more power is generated than the grid uses, they need to build giant batteries, typically the water-gravity type, to store this power. Neither that nor maintaining a power plant that's idle when it's sunny, is free.
Nah, I live in Cali so peak hours are midday. I get money from PGE every month, and can run free AC and all my electronics without worry. i get 350days of pure sun a year though so obviously if you're not getting enough sun then solar doesn't make sense.
Also, the initial costs were basically free between the state and federal tax credits.
those solar panels require resources to make, and they're not renewable resources either. they also deteriorate quickly and have to be replaced every couple of years. you realize that, right?
>le 5mins of israelitegle says...
Those stupidly small sample sizes dont translate well to real life homosexual. You can't normalise data across over 100 countries and claim raingays are lying when they say their panels last 2 week. Go back to Rèddit with that "muh studies" bullshit.
Aren't most solar panels well beyond their official expiration date and still going strong?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Most
Who has ran solar panels for 25 years?
Warranty is usually 3-5 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They slowly degrade over time
2 years ago
Anonymous
what's the x-axis? years, days, minutes?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They slowly degrade over time
Even with crappy ones you get 80% out of them after 25 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are those years? Months?this graph is useless. Even if it's half as good it's still free once you've gotten more energy out than you would have paid to use fossil fueled power
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, solar panels go strong with very minimal maintenance and degradation year after year. Just clean up the stupid leaves/snow if its on top and you're good to go.
>solar shits itself after 20 years >solar's been around long enough that installers are constantly removing old systems to reinstall new ones >recycling solar panels that still have 80% efficiency is so chemically messy and costly that installers have to pay up the arse for someone else to take the panels >be anon >make frens with installer >get all their removed panels >connect each up with a $15 pwm charge controller >doesn't matter if the panels are all out of balance, nice clean 12v for $15 + a couple brackets >dump into used lifepo4 batteries >power all lights in house directly off 12v line >ws2811 strips everywhere, use onewire to control literally all of them >connect 12v line to 2kw pure sine wave inverter >batteries hold enough juice to keep all my computers running for a week even in complete darkness >wood fire for heating >life is good
kek
I'm an electrical contractor and panels do not last very long. You need to constantly clean them, too, or they lose efficiency.
I replace them every 2-3 years. After the first replacement most people just stop maintaining the system and turn it off.
The best part? Now your roof leaks. No refunds.
Anyone shilling their amazing solar panels hasn't owned the system for more than 3 years, guaranteed.
do you guys ever just marvel that 1 human thought it was OK to put that amount of pollution in the air for everyone to breath in the vicinity, for his own profits?
there's always someone whose idea this is. someone who takes the lion's share of profits. perhaps they think to themselves that they are creating jobs, products etc. but its always one c**t who took a huge share and poisoned the area for the others
2 years ago
Anonymous
In the West we realized we like breathing and our children growing up without cancer, mostly
those solar panels require resources to make, and they're not renewable resources either. they also deteriorate quickly and have to be replaced every couple of years. you realize that, right?
depends on the cost of the panels, your battery storage or ability to sell back to the grid (if any), and how much sunlight your roof gets. Oh yeah, and the price of grid power, the cheaper that is, the longer the payoff period. But yeah, it can easily be a long-ass time. My mom lives in the midwest US and bought a bunch of panels, and if I remember right she won't break even on them for something like fifteen years.
LOL, found the renter, the panels add their value or more to the equity of your house making them basically free, coupled that with them lowering your power bill and its basically free money
"home equity" is useless unless and until you sell. Is it worthwhile to own something instead of renting? Yes. Is it worth spending piles of money to increase the value of something you own when you aren't planning on selling it? No, it is not. All that does is increase your property taxes.
It's actually the opposite for all 3. The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
Is that...a solar panel??
Costs 200 extra to have bird exclusion kits installed at the same time to stop this.
>Costs a ton of money >Needs to be replaced every few years
It's literally free money!
Every panel you can buy from a decent company has at least 12 year manufacturing warranty, and 25 year performance warranty (around 85% after 25y) and the high end ones have 25 year manufacturing and performance. Best on the market is a lifetime warranty from SunPower.
because you need a house full of batteries to actually supply you 24/7
thats why
Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.
For a technology board you frickers know absolutely nothing about shit that isn't consumer PCs.
>muh 10000 year warranty
yeah until there's some new advancement in technology in 5 years and solar panels are way tinier and more efficient and don't require a house full of batteries to actually do anything worthwhile.
so now you either get rid of the old ones and buy the new ones, wasting all the money you paid (that is if you're not in debt for them still)
or just cry about it as you're forced to keep and maintain your outdated pieces of junk indefinitely because you listened to some shill online. but hey, if they break, the company will get you a set of the same exact obsolete ones for the next 50 years of warranty. awesome right? kek
What sort of fricking technology do you think is gonna allow solar panels to power your house at night with no form of energy storage?
Newer shit coming out doesn't render your old shit obsolete moron, unless you'd get a faster payback time for both systems overall by buying a new set rather than keeping your existing ones.
Also what maintenance do you think is required for a solar panel? You literally have to wash them once every 5 years, and maybe install pigeon netting so they don't roost under it. Once you've installed the panels if it's been done by competent people then there is no maintenance unless something happens to fail, but if you have a warranty anyway.
>solar panels are way tinier and more efficient and don't require a house full of batteries to actually do anything worthwhile.
Solar panels are 20% efficient. There is no concievable technology that could allow for more than maybe 50% efficiency in the next five years, if we're being very optimistic about things like multi-junction perovskite cells.
And even if they were 100% efficient, they wouldn't be able to do that. Just not enough light around.
>The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
Wind dies down at night. Usually to levels where the turbines won’t rotate. Maybe those tiny household units will. But the big ones are just as useless as photovoltaics once the sun goes down.
>Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.
my father back in the early bloom of PVs he threw away almost 40k to install a 49.5kwp system and this was back the early stages so he basicly had almost 2 hectares worth of land for this shits
this year after he upgraded the whole thing since even the cables were way past their date for the same yield(50kwp) he paid 29k and got 1 hectare of land back
currently he gets paid 0.1861/kwh at around 11k per year
currently he is thinking if he should just scrap the whole thing and slap a completely new system with some maxeon m series that will yield him on the same land(2ha)around 139kwp(give or take 130k kwh)so around 23k income
but the city council has some problem because their grid isnt really new and they are afraid if a blackout happens and the system shoots out a large amount of voltage it will do some damage
>Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.
For what? I use ~500 kWh per year. Even the sun doesn't shine for a week, that doesn't happen 10% of a year.
>Every panel you can buy from a decent company has at least 12 year manufacturing warranty, and 25 year performance warranty (around 85% after 25y) and the high end ones have 25 year manufacturing and performance. Best on the market is a lifetime warranty from SunPower.
how many of those companies will still exist in 25 years? easy enough to just disappear
>For a technology board you frickers know absolutely nothing about shit that isn't consumer PCs.
Or maybe they're not suckers who got conned by a shitty marketing campaign. Go peddle your bullshit and your warez on plebbit you homosexual fricking fraud.
if your house isn't big enough, there are lots of buildings around you etc. its useless also vibration is a big issue. Wind is nice in theory but you need a steady supply that highly depends on your location.
It's actually the opposite for all 3. The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
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Costs 200 extra to have bird exclusion kits installed at the same time to stop this.
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Every panel you can buy from a decent company has at least 12 year manufacturing warranty, and 25 year performance warranty (around 85% after 25y) and the high end ones have 25 year manufacturing and performance. Best on the market is a lifetime warranty from SunPower.
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Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.
For a technology board you frickers know absolutely nothing about shit that isn't consumer PCs.
>It's actually the opposite for all 3. The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
depends on the location but wind is everywhere in Europe while solar usually clocks to 1000h a year in Spain if I remember the data right.
Funny thing there is now talk on how wind turbines result in drier climates i.e. Europe is massively fricking themselves if they continue to go all in on Wind energy and the hypothesis turns out to be right I wouldn't put it into the schizo category considering the track record of political agenda.
Moving parts are a problem to maintain. You need to grease it, clean it, make sure it doesn't cause damage to the roof/people under if the motor explodes, etc.
Thats why its just better to have a larger solar panel + battery.
Now I'm not completely against wind turbines. I think there are some interesting solid state wind power, or bladeless power generators. However that's a long way off.
literally the opposite, wind power scales down terribly while PV scales fine. Most efficient to make the blades as big as possible (without the tips going supersonic). Offshore wind is more reliable too.
I live on a sailboat with both solar and wind. The solar puts out what it is rated for in full sun. Wind genny never puts out full rating solar is better.
nobody gives a shit about you karen, and you don't have the balls nor the capability of killing anybody. Shut the frick up. If you lived in my neighborhood I would build a whole windmill farm just to piss your pussy ass off.
What about the helix style turbines? They will always catch wind from every direction and should be easiwe to service with the generator on the bottom.
actually even my short workplace building kills like 2-3 birds a year and those are just the ones i see dead in front of the 2-story glass panels at the entrance. not counting how many more flew away with a concussion to die elsewhere
2 years ago
Anonymous
>don't those end up killing a ton of birds
don't cars kill a ton of birds? and humans? and all kind of other animals?
[...] >Even less efficient.
Can you provide any source?
Is it the height or the shape of the blades?
Does catching all wind from all angles offset the efficiency difference between the blades?
I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but you are making claims about efficiency without any numbers to back them up.
They kill a non-zero amount of birds. Not enough to actually matter.
>It's okay because all these other things are killing them too
Lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's not okay becuz it huwrts my wittle fweelings
Lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person, everything kills birds
even birds kill birds
birds are dumb as shit
except maybe parrots but in that case you should be keeping an eye on your goddamn pet
2 years ago
Anonymous
why must you be such a humongous homosexual?
2 years ago
Anonymous
frick birds and frick you homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok, there are a lot of feral cats.
The graph would be really fricking insane if they combined all cats in one bar.
Frick cats.
P.S. Windmills do mostly kill the larger (and often endangered) birds though, like eagles and vultures. Cats are their diner at best. Not saying I'm against windenergy, because I even have a small investment in it, but it would be nice if they didn't kill those beautiful soaring creatures.
>The Chad illegal hydroelectric dam built from a stream
the government will frick you so, so, so hard for doing stuff like this, at least american and canadian. they do not frick around when it comes to water.
how do I use it with car batteries? Batteries are fricking expansive only have a budget of 1k€ don't want to pay 1k for lithium batteries. Anyone can shill a good programmable solar charge controller so the car battery isn't deep (dis-)charged?
yeah but I will need thick power lines for that can't do that well without high losses. I am planning to get a couple truck batteries plug them in parallel but that is a massive fire hazard I think.
1. If you're on-grid and want net metering to balance your monthly bill, you will have to pay some fees to infrastructure/electric company and also the labor and connection equipment which will not be fewer than thousands of euros. They will last about 10 years if they are monocrystalline.
2. If you're off-grid you will have to invest on inverters/battery controllers and good lithium batteries which will cost thousands of euros, they will last around 10 years depending on what you paid.
3. If you want cheap batteries and cheap solar panels they will last for 2 years and it might be an even worse investment.
In any case, if you want to offset about 8kWh of consumption per day without destroying your electronics, you will need to spend about 10000 euros. Today I pretty much pay ~ 0.3 euros per kWh including the fixed costs for my bill.
10 years * 365 days * 8kWh/day * 0.3 EUR/kWh = 9636 EUR
If you are lucky and the panels and the batteries last twice as long, that will be a good investment in 20 years. But if you suspect the energy prices are going to be very high soon enough, then it's a good investment. It is a bad investment if your country has cheap energy like <0.15 EUR/kWh and you don't see this changing anytime soon. Net metering also has some weird terms and the electricity companies always have the final say.
Europe just declared Nuclear as green and are beginning to invest in nuclear energy thanks to Russia. Prices might drop significantly. But libtards and leftists don't want to hear this
>But libtards and leftists don't want to hear this
At least in the US, paranoia over nuclear power is a very bipartisan thing. Our right wing fetishizes fossil fuel and thinks a move to more nuclear is a slippery slope to getting nuked by muslims/chinks/whatever.
>Europe just declared Nuclear as green and are beginning to invest in nuclear energy thanks to Russia.
Should've fricking done this from the get go rather than having a significant chunk of energy delivered by fricking Russia of all places. Well at least this is a step in the right direction.
>Europe just declared Nuclear as green and are beginning to invest in nuclear energy thanks to Russia.
Should've fricking done this from the get go rather than having a significant chunk of energy delivered by fricking Russia of all places. Well at least this is a step in the right direction.
Too bad about Germany and France shutting down all their nuclear plants though. Maybe in 50 years or so they'll build some new ones.
I already have
Like 10y ago
Doubled in size 2018 and added a battery
Installed a heat pump in 2020 (great government benefits here in Germany, got like 20k for it)
The last few month assured me even further I've gone the right way
Spikes in gas prices? I don't care, don't use any
Highest electricity cost in the world here? So what I have over 90% autarky
When I bought my house it had a wood oven which can heat the whole house
I still use it in winter
Thinking about installing a rooftop wind turbine because even with wood heating I have to buy electricity in the winter
Frick you. I hate the environmental freaks that turn around and burn wood or other combustible materials that are transported by diesel trucks and trains.
You would unironically produce less emissions if you just used gas or electric heating from the grid.
>environmental freaks
Not him, but who says you need to be an environmentalist to use a wood stove? I use one because it costs me half of what heating with gas costs me in the winter. And guess what, burning wood is a terrible thing for the environment. It probably causes Alzheimer‘s for everyone in the neighborhood. But it’s frick cheap and it’s comfy, so I‘ll take it. In general, I’ll go the cheapest route and let others worry about climate and environment.
free electricity
Dumbass
You need to refine minerals and go through a lot of processing to get these silicon panels
They also degrade over time. Hopefully you can at least replace the glass separately.
Yeah solar doesn't solve the storage problem (which is already present thanks to wind turbines), fossil fuels serve two functions in one, they are a source of energy but also a store of energy.
>I have no security for my summer home
sounds like a poor folk problem to me
2 years ago
Anonymous
And that security would prevent them from just doing the same but with some more problems through the path?
And I hate to say this, but in my country with almost 40% of unemployment the rare occurrence is not being poor.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>40% of unemployment
The frick? Where are you from? The Marshall Islands?
[...]
are gypsies living gods of stealing shit or something?
i'm a mutt so i figured nogs are the same, and nogs are pretty easy to deal with unless you live in the hood. most of them are too pussy to steal something bolted down because they know the cops won't put up with their homosexualry.
Gypsies congregate at rural areas where the police presence is minimal and they make sure they have an absolute numbers advantage. They have guns, where the locals don't and they can pick up their stuff disappear from the area for a few weeks if need be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The frick? Where are you from? The Marshall Islands?
No, since the 2007 crisis Spain has had a constant over 30% unemployment.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The source of all knowledge and statistica say that you are lying. In EU greece has by far the largest unemployment rate, and they don't factor in the conscripts doing military time and college/uni students, and it isn't over 20%. There is no way spain has 40% unemployment rate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My bad, 30% is the unemployment of men under 25yo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My bad, 30% is the unemployment of men under 25yo.
spain anon is correct
Statistics lie all the time to make the government look "less" bad. Official Inflation numbers are at around 10% YoY and everyone knows it's bullshit, i'd ballpark it at 40%, depending on what you buy. Food and fuel is almost over 50% yoy and I'm not even getting into other energy prices.
Also, yes, young population is severely unemployed and the ones who are have ludicruos salaries.
And lastly, yes, gypsies (depends on the zones) do roam the rural lands, steal and do not have the same sub-zero IQ of feral Black folk, they're quite savvy at what they do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can you rephrase your question in English please? I don't speak whatever poor dialect you just typed at me.
He obviously not lived near gypsies. Anyone who has knows whats up. That being said, large panels weight a lot and are not as easy to move without a proper truck. That combined with some b***h ass alarm system and a couple of cameras would keep your property fairly safe. Thats how people are doing it in my area that is choke full of the scum.
He obviously not lived near gypsies. Anyone who has knows whats up. That being said, large panels weight a lot and are not as easy to move without a proper truck. That combined with some b***h ass alarm system and a couple of cameras would keep your property fairly safe. Thats how people are doing it in my area that is choke full of the scum.
are gypsies living gods of stealing shit or something?
i'm a mutt so i figured nogs are the same, and nogs are pretty easy to deal with unless you live in the hood. most of them are too pussy to steal something bolted down because they know the cops won't put up with their homosexualry.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gypsies know how to plug themselves on your house or on businesses and fire hydrants to have free water and electricity. They often steal copper from electric substations to resell it. I don't know how they can do all of this, but they live in a culture of theft, more than nogs, because their entire existence depends on it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they live in a culture of theft, more than nogs, because their entire existence depends on it.
ngl that sounds kind of based
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THINGS THROUGH FORCE YOU HAVE TO SLAVE AWAY FOR SHEKELSTEIN IN EXCHANGE FOR CONSOOMER POINTS NOOOOOO CAPITALISM IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED
How to spot the smelly NEETs of this board.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THINGS THROUGH FORCE YOU HAVE TO SLAVE AWAY FOR SHEKELSTEIN IN EXCHANGE FOR CONSOOMER POINTS NOOOOOO CAPITALISM IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED
pv solar is such garbage compared to concentrating solar-thermal powering a boiler and steam turbine.
if you don't have an array of mirrors creating a literal death beam of sunlight radiation energy are you even a nerd?
Besides thieving and murdering they also prostitute out their children and sell sub-par tainted drugs, of which they also give to their children when they want them compliant or to shut them up. There is nothing based about gypsies. They are literally subhuman scum. Btw they are working for the "jews". They pay them to do dirty work, to buy votes and to move in to areas in order to decrease the property values.
>Btw they are working for the "jews". >gypsies destroying capitalism by using capitalism against itself
With every post you make gypsies sound more and more based. How is this possible?
What a fricking meme.
We already have something we can lift upwards using excess electricity that can easily be lowered again without attaching steel cables to winches and heavy motors.
It's called 'water'.
Solar for backup power is pretty cool. I put together 2 server rack lifepo4 batteries, 10kw total and 2kw solar. Will run a dc fridge, cameras, monitor/router/modem/lights/a few blower fans, and other temporary appliances in an outage indefinitely. Could run a small window ac or small heater for most of the day or night if needed also.
i have some on my roof. it's a small array, but it was enough to fully cover my mid-day energy use in spring and it offsets my AC through summer so far, not to mention some kind of enviromental bonuses i'm getting from my energy provider for "using less than average two-person household" even though i use way more, but solar substraction gets me below threshold
>solar shits itself after 20 years >solar's been around long enough that installers are constantly removing old systems to reinstall new ones >recycling solar panels that still have 80% efficiency is so chemically messy and costly that installers have to pay up the arse for someone else to take the panels >be anon >make frens with installer >get all their removed panels >connect each up with a $15 pwm charge controller >doesn't matter if the panels are all out of balance, nice clean 12v for $15 + a couple brackets >dump into used lifepo4 batteries >power all lights in house directly off 12v line >ws2811 strips everywhere, use onewire to control literally all of them >connect 12v line to 2kw pure sine wave inverter >batteries hold enough juice to keep all my computers running for a week even in complete darkness >wood fire for heating >life is good
>most people getting system installed need 10-15 years minimum
10-15 years plus added maintenance means it will always be 10-15 years from the current date..
If you install a new system today in 15 years the ROI will still be another 15 years. Every component will be replaced in that time, most panels will be replaced 5 times in 15 years.
yea seems like a big scam unless cali is paying for it
for backup it's probably better just to get batteries and have them charge on utility during blackouts but probably a large amount of cost is also on the batteries
2 years ago
Anonymous
>yea seems like a big scam
It's a scam if someone is telling you that you will save money. The government subsidies are a joke, too. The people that can afford solar systems do not need subsidies.
Solar is cool if you want to live off grid or just like tinkering with electronics. It can be a great hobby. You will never save any money, though.
2 years ago
FURRY =^.^=
>You will never save any money, though.
At current market prices, my modestly sized solar system produces roughly six Euros worth of tax- and transfer fee free electricity per day. If I were to buy that electricity, it would cost closer to ten Euros. If this keeps up, it'll turn a profit in considerably less than a decade, lol.
>hundreds of years >billions of dollars >millions of man hours >all to bring you the most efficient energy on the planet on demand >virtue signaling morons would rather spend MORE money on meme energy and burning wood >virtue signaling morons create more emissions than normal people using the grid >virtue signaling morons are subsidized by the people they claim to hate so much >virtue signaling morons stop paying to use the grid that their taxes already funded >virtue signaling morons are literally the reason energy prices are going up because the grid is critical infrastructure and the remaining customers must pay for it >virtue signaling morons can't understand why their taxes go up when they don't use energy from the grid anymore
>3% of your earnings
where tf do you live? my electricity last month was almost triple that of june 2021. shit is getting to a point where I‘ll soon be spending more that I‘m earning. power, food, heating, rent now eats up almost 90% of my income, where it used to be closer to 50% a few years ago
the virgin solar panel >lame house accessory for homosexuals >works by sucking up the rays from the sun like a queer little flower >forces you to clean bird shit off of it >stops working if it's slightly cloudy >bought by sois and foids to virtue signal with no real expectation of ROI
the chad wind turbine >towering fiberglass wheel of death >works by harvesting the force of god that throws Black folk around like tumbleweeds during a hurricane >turns birds into mulch >stops working whenever it damn well feels like it >built to make moronic women seethe, somehow ends up being useful
I live where it is very sunny year round but even then dropping $16,000 on panels, batteries, and permits isn't worth it. If Biden could spare a moment between his diddling children and blaming everything on Trump maybe he could make the barrier to entry reasonable.
If it is so good for the environment and decreases our dependence on coal then why don't government gives us these solar panels for a fraction of their price?
Surely they can sell it at price or something.
Talking about rich first world countries obviously who have money.
It is kinda ingenious if you look at it. All the profit right at the start, and after that: transaction over. All other problems are now the owner's. Of course they'll go for this.
you don't get solar panels for "free electricity", you do it to become less dependent on the power grid. they're expensive as frick and you're never gonna offset the costs of the purchase + maintenance from the savings you're making.
>gypsies steal from their neighbor >communists pretend this is a strike against "the man"
just another example of how it's the man next door with two cows the reds are actually trying to hurt; envy.
I did the math and without having to replace any (we get hail here every so often) it would have taken me 20 years to pay off. Then I learned about efficiency loss over time and if it failed at the expected rate, it would go up to 25 or more.
Then I spoke to an older electrician who actually has solar hooked up to a shed and he claimed that it won't be commercially ready for full home power for a long time. Yes, it can be used to power parking lot lights, street signs, billboards, sheds or even off-grid things but if you want guaranteed power, it's not ready without a sizeable investment.
Oddly, he was all about roof-mounted water heating because it made sense. He also actually convinced me that geothermal is the way to go for heating/cooling. Yes, there is also a nice sized investment but it pays itself off rather quickly and is very reliable.
Got picrel incase of socialist powered power outages and as a laptop powerbank. When the sun is at full blast here my panels get around 120Watts. Whenever there's a slight cloud, it drops to 30Watts. Whenever there's regular clouds I barely get 10Watts.
The powerstation has it's uses, but those solar panels aren't even going to keep my laptop running unless I move to the sahara.
They take decades to get your money back and that's if they don't outright fail like most solar panels. You get caught in a loop of buying expensive shit over and over again costing you more than traditional energy. Solar panels are the ultimate midwit bait.
I'm in the process. I got about 100v of PV cells I'm rigging up to do device charging
I got a good deal on a pile of small cells so I gotta wire them up. currently working on a charging circuit. I'm gonna take all the disposable vape batteries I've gathered from vapers at woek and charge those during the day when the sun hits my apt window and then charge my phones and watches at night
it's a small start but it will give me experience in rolling my own solar and building the circuits to harness the energy and charge batteries. I find some lifepo4 batteries I want to get once I have some experience like a dollar an amp hour at 12 volts, seems like a good deal
I am thinking of setting up panels without batteries. Our power has different tiers and I am tired of getting ass fricked by tier two power. My understanding is that most of the cost is for the batteries but can't find much for this setup. Do I still need batteries as part of the power conditioning? I will only save money if I produce for 15% of my needs.
Solar panels are nifty, but just automate your power consumption based on current cost instead.
Automate your water boiler, lighting, car charging, laundry to happen at optimal cost times instead of peak times, and you'll save way more than by buying solar panels.
Then you can also do step-wise heating of your place based on current cost (if it steps above threshold, reduce temp by -1c, then just have several different thresholds).
They'd be communist if they were government mandated including expectation to give them 70% of your collected energy.
Wouldn't be surprised to see that happening though.
If you want to go off grid, but with electricity, it's one of the few choices.
Thermal power has always meant to be a supplement, not the main attraction like these green peace and politicians keep shilling for. Nuclear still is the way to go and is our inevitable future.
They are expensive and don't break even anywhere that supplies their own oil or coal. Most are made from material mined by child slaves. They never make up for their carbon cost either.
Taxed to us them, and the power company charges you a penalty if you put "too much" into their grid/use little grid energy. Wasn't the point of this to lower your bills or avoid consuming energy from a utility company? Energy independence/self sustainability is a meme when you get to the bureaucracy aspect because some person or consortium of unelected individuals will allow utility companies to fine you $45 for not using their infrastrucure all month.
I don't even understand why they themselves would want to live in such a world. Once they own everything, and control everything, they'll still be miserable c**ts, only now the entire world is paying for it.
the thing with communism is that they constantly purge the least leftist commie, he's next to get eaten. lefties call this the "circular firing squad", and wonder why they have such a tendency to fracture into a million parties (M, ML, M-L-M, etc etc)
which means that the only safe position to have around commies is to be more leftist than the next guy. this creates a holiness spiral, that only ends in the red khmers, or if you're lucky, stalin killing everyone who claims to be a better communist than he was.
Utility companies never replace infrastrucure until it's ready to fail. If your power goes out because you live in an area where the utility poles and cables are as old as your grandma then tough shit. Having customers generating electricity for the grid reduces their costs at your expense if you choose to supply them.
Define communist governing body. Because communists would just hard cap or cut off your energy if it was desired.
How can you even unironically put communist and liberal in the same sentence.
>or cut off your energy if it was desired.
Energy companies cut off energy all the time. All the black outs in the past ten years were from companies intentionally cutting the grid off.
1. I live in an apartment building, so can have it.
2. Even if I had my own house and land, regulations surrounding installing these, and selling electricity to the gird are breaking the deal. So much for governments supporting green transformation. They are green only when it comes to taxing you for breathing.
because you need a house full of batteries to actually supply you 24/7
thats why
>because you need a house full of batteries to actually supply you 24/7
no? just wire it into the grid, and have your power company reimburse your bill
net metering isnt that simple plus whats the point?
you need the batteries in case of a blackout
you don't need net metering to do it.
>and have your power company reimburse your bill
In my country you actually need to pay to push energy on the net, because you could overload its capacity
Yes, it's stupid
Belgium?
Use the excess electricity to mine Monero. It's a non-issue in 2022.
We had a similar law here in Spain. It was so fricking moronic and I'm glad it was eventually struck down.
>In my country you actually need to pay to push energy on the net, because you could overload its capacity
>Yes, it's stupid
Are Americans really this stupid? Who do you think pays when you push energy and break their infrastructure? There's a reason companies sell electricity at negative rates.
you get 1/10 of the price the energy costs you for usage, its a israelite scam
>ITS DA JUICE
many utilities are now starting to adopt a blowe minimum usage fee so you get fricked on that
this
frick those israelites i'd sooner use m
y excess to run growlights for ganja and sell it to black african Black folk on the dark web
thanks for clearing up that the african Black folk are indeed black
>subhuman state has subhuman policies
as usual
>in the sunshine state
this is why if you ever get solar you go off grid completely, never grid fed
>and pay income taxes on the power you feed into the grid
lol, lmao even
you are free to buy, or build batteries homie
I have. I only pay the line fee to be connected to the grid about 9 months out of the year. In the summer, I generate more than I use and the meter spins backwards. The electric company doesn't send me a check, but instead credits my account with that electricity, which I then use for part of the winter. It would probably be zero electric bill year round if I weren't using heat pumps for heating and cooling too, to reduce the gas bill.
I don't have any batteries. The grid is effectively a battery with 100% efficiency. When I use more than I generate, I just use power plant power. When I generate more than I use, I help power my neighbors and reduce load on the power plants.
I didn't get the bird exclusion stuff and haven't had problems with them. They don't want to sit on a slippery hot surface, and what shit lands there from flying birds is washed off by the rain.
>The electric company doesn't send me a check, but instead credits my account with that electricity, which I then use for part of the winter.
I meant to add, this depends where you live. Some places they do pay you a fraction of the energy price. Where I live they never pay, but a 100% credit is worth far more.
Also, this arrangement wouldn't be very viable if everyone did it. If more power is generated than the grid uses, they need to build giant batteries, typically the water-gravity type, to store this power. Neither that nor maintaining a power plant that's idle when it's sunny, is free.
Nah, I live in Cali so peak hours are midday. I get money from PGE every month, and can run free AC and all my electronics without worry. i get 350days of pure sun a year though so obviously if you're not getting enough sun then solar doesn't make sense.
Also, the initial costs were basically free between the state and federal tax credits.
>Costs a ton of money
>Needs to be replaced every few years
It's literally free money!
>le 5mins of israelitegle says...
Those stupidly small sample sizes dont translate well to real life homosexual. You can't normalise data across over 100 countries and claim raingays are lying when they say their panels last 2 week. Go back to Rèddit with that "muh studies" bullshit.
Aren't most solar panels well beyond their official expiration date and still going strong?
>Most
Who has ran solar panels for 25 years?
Warranty is usually 3-5 years.
They slowly degrade over time
what's the x-axis? years, days, minutes?
Even with crappy ones you get 80% out of them after 25 years.
Are those years? Months?this graph is useless. Even if it's half as good it's still free once you've gotten more energy out than you would have paid to use fossil fueled power
Yeah, solar panels go strong with very minimal maintenance and degradation year after year. Just clean up the stupid leaves/snow if its on top and you're good to go.
>That evidence is wrong because israelites reeeeeeeee
Holy frick have a nice day you Fricking autist
>still working at expected capacity
the thing is expected capacity at 40 years old is 0.02W per square kilometer on the most sunny day
This. "Expected" in that context means "like shit, or worse".
According to actual sources they lose like 10-15% of performance in 20 years
Warranty is usually 20 years
kek
I'm an electrical contractor and panels do not last very long. You need to constantly clean them, too, or they lose efficiency.
I replace them every 2-3 years. After the first replacement most people just stop maintaining the system and turn it off.
The best part? Now your roof leaks. No refunds.
Anyone shilling their amazing solar panels hasn't owned the system for more than 3 years, guaranteed.
>Now your roof leaks
Why?
because he's a fricking moron monkey who doesn't know how to install solar panels without making your roof leak
or he makes money from fixing the roof every week
If you have a flat roof it's trivial to DIY (outside some totalitarian hell holes like Oz, where you aren't allowed to DIY lekki).
Earn back time with net metering is a couple years.
Here's your "free", "green energy" solar panels being produced bro
honestly this is a cool aesthetic and i wish more fiction tried recreate it
That's a steel plant in china.
Same difference
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toxic-lake-black-sludge-result-mining-create-tech/story?id=30122911
damn they should get some solar panels
ah Shenzhen CBD, how i miss thee
do you guys ever just marvel that 1 human thought it was OK to put that amount of pollution in the air for everyone to breath in the vicinity, for his own profits?
>do you guys ever just marvel that 1 human thought
>photo is a plant in China
Anon, I...
same thought, but in the west
there's always someone whose idea this is. someone who takes the lion's share of profits. perhaps they think to themselves that they are creating jobs, products etc. but its always one c**t who took a huge share and poisoned the area for the others
In the West we realized we like breathing and our children growing up without cancer, mostly
dupoint? money(then power) is root of evil
>cyberpunk aesthetics
solarpunk
those solar panels require resources to make, and they're not renewable resources either. they also deteriorate quickly and have to be replaced every couple of years. you realize that, right?
remember that communists just steal the money to pay for them and call it "subsidies"
anything's cheap on a five finger discount
Implying fossil fuels aren’t subsidized?
takes about 20 years to pay themselves off, that's not worth the hassle and up-front cost.
20 years? This can't be right?
Depends a lot on how expensive electricity is where you live
depends on the cost of the panels, your battery storage or ability to sell back to the grid (if any), and how much sunlight your roof gets. Oh yeah, and the price of grid power, the cheaper that is, the longer the payoff period. But yeah, it can easily be a long-ass time. My mom lives in the midwest US and bought a bunch of panels, and if I remember right she won't break even on them for something like fifteen years.
>she won't break even on them for something like fifteen years
and that's only if she doesn't have to replace one or five in that time.
Takes like 5-7 years according to youtubers who have it.
((youtubers))
last time I trusted israeliteTubers I bought the Nexus 6P.
>according to youtubers
Who said anything about a loan? Just DIY.
govt already wasting money why not just give out / pay for them anyways with muh climax change
LOL, found the renter, the panels add their value or more to the equity of your house making them basically free, coupled that with them lowering your power bill and its basically free money
"home equity" is useless unless and until you sell. Is it worthwhile to own something instead of renting? Yes. Is it worth spending piles of money to increase the value of something you own when you aren't planning on selling it? No, it is not. All that does is increase your property taxes.
Is that...a solar panel??
IQfy is filled with misinformed, uneducated, poverty alt-right incels who stick a branch in their wheels every day to fuel their addiction to outrage
Rent free
with their parents
How about rooftop wind turbine, feel like it's cheaper, generate more energy and easier to maintenance
It's actually the opposite for all 3. The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
Costs 200 extra to have bird exclusion kits installed at the same time to stop this.
Every panel you can buy from a decent company has at least 12 year manufacturing warranty, and 25 year performance warranty (around 85% after 25y) and the high end ones have 25 year manufacturing and performance. Best on the market is a lifetime warranty from SunPower.
Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.
For a technology board you frickers know absolutely nothing about shit that isn't consumer PCs.
>muh 10000 year warranty
yeah until there's some new advancement in technology in 5 years and solar panels are way tinier and more efficient and don't require a house full of batteries to actually do anything worthwhile.
so now you either get rid of the old ones and buy the new ones, wasting all the money you paid (that is if you're not in debt for them still)
or just cry about it as you're forced to keep and maintain your outdated pieces of junk indefinitely because you listened to some shill online. but hey, if they break, the company will get you a set of the same exact obsolete ones for the next 50 years of warranty. awesome right? kek
What sort of fricking technology do you think is gonna allow solar panels to power your house at night with no form of energy storage?
Newer shit coming out doesn't render your old shit obsolete moron, unless you'd get a faster payback time for both systems overall by buying a new set rather than keeping your existing ones.
Also what maintenance do you think is required for a solar panel? You literally have to wash them once every 5 years, and maybe install pigeon netting so they don't roost under it. Once you've installed the panels if it's been done by competent people then there is no maintenance unless something happens to fail, but if you have a warranty anyway.
Just wait for perovskite+UCNP.
>hehe all your arguments are invalid because this few imaginary conditions will happen very soon.
You're the blackest in this thread.
>solar panels are way tinier and more efficient and don't require a house full of batteries to actually do anything worthwhile.
Solar panels are 20% efficient. There is no concievable technology that could allow for more than maybe 50% efficiency in the next five years, if we're being very optimistic about things like multi-junction perovskite cells.
And even if they were 100% efficient, they wouldn't be able to do that. Just not enough light around.
>The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
Wind dies down at night. Usually to levels where the turbines won’t rotate. Maybe those tiny household units will. But the big ones are just as useless as photovoltaics once the sun goes down.
>Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.
my father back in the early bloom of PVs he threw away almost 40k to install a 49.5kwp system and this was back the early stages so he basicly had almost 2 hectares worth of land for this shits
this year after he upgraded the whole thing since even the cables were way past their date for the same yield(50kwp) he paid 29k and got 1 hectare of land back
currently he gets paid 0.1861/kwh at around 11k per year
currently he is thinking if he should just scrap the whole thing and slap a completely new system with some maxeon m series that will yield him on the same land(2ha)around 139kwp(give or take 130k kwh)so around 23k income
but the city council has some problem because their grid isnt really new and they are afraid if a blackout happens and the system shoots out a large amount of voltage it will do some damage
>Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.
For what? I use ~500 kWh per year. Even the sun doesn't shine for a week, that doesn't happen 10% of a year.
>Every panel you can buy from a decent company has at least 12 year manufacturing warranty, and 25 year performance warranty (around 85% after 25y) and the high end ones have 25 year manufacturing and performance. Best on the market is a lifetime warranty from SunPower.
how many of those companies will still exist in 25 years? easy enough to just disappear
>For a technology board you frickers know absolutely nothing about shit that isn't consumer PCs.
Or maybe they're not suckers who got conned by a shitty marketing campaign. Go peddle your bullshit and your warez on plebbit you homosexual fricking fraud.
It's good if you live in a windy area, in most places you'll get frickall power out of them. Your $4k turbine will be averaging 100w.
connect turbine to a stationary bicycle when that happens
they are so ineffective, you need to live next to a see shore for it to be worth it
if your house isn't big enough, there are lots of buildings around you etc. its useless also vibration is a big issue. Wind is nice in theory but you need a steady supply that highly depends on your location.
>It's actually the opposite for all 3. The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
depends on the location but wind is everywhere in Europe while solar usually clocks to 1000h a year in Spain if I remember the data right.
Funny thing there is now talk on how wind turbines result in drier climates i.e. Europe is massively fricking themselves if they continue to go all in on Wind energy and the hypothesis turns out to be right I wouldn't put it into the schizo category considering the track record of political agenda.
Moving parts are a problem to maintain. You need to grease it, clean it, make sure it doesn't cause damage to the roof/people under if the motor explodes, etc.
Thats why its just better to have a larger solar panel + battery.
Now I'm not completely against wind turbines. I think there are some interesting solid state wind power, or bladeless power generators. However that's a long way off.
this, wind itself is fine but it's hard to do right. any moron can slap down a solar panel.
literally the opposite, wind power scales down terribly while PV scales fine. Most efficient to make the blades as big as possible (without the tips going supersonic). Offshore wind is more reliable too.
god i hate birds man
I live on a sailboat with both solar and wind. The solar puts out what it is rated for in full sun. Wind genny never puts out full rating solar is better.
>I live on a sailboat
photos or did didnt happen
these things are frickexpensive, kinda loud, hard to maintain and only work in a few places
>probably loud as shit
>need to be maintained constantly
>questionable efficiency
>better hope the wind doesn't get too strong
make your own by attaching the fan blade thing to a car battery charger
and free minced birds
You build that shit in my neighbourhood I'll kill you. Plain and simple. I will not abide those 70db monstrosities near me.
nobody gives a shit about you karen, and you don't have the balls nor the capability of killing anybody. Shut the frick up. If you lived in my neighborhood I would build a whole windmill farm just to piss your pussy ass off.
Wind turbines get more efficient the bigger/taller you make them.
That's why the latest wind turbines are gigantic.
Tiny ass home turbines are inefficient as frick.
>Tiny ass home turbines are inefficient as frick.
What about the helix style turbines? They will always catch wind from every direction and should be easiwe to service with the generator on the bottom.
I think the tradeoff with those is they are less efficient still but I could be wrong.
>What about the helix style turbines?
Even less efficient.
And turning a turbine into the wind is super easy anyways.
don't those end up killing a ton of birds
They kill a non-zero amount of birds. Not enough to actually matter.
>don't those end up killing a ton of birds
don't cars kill a ton of birds? and humans? and all kind of other animals?
>Even less efficient.
Can you provide any source?
Is it the height or the shape of the blades?
Does catching all wind from all angles offset the efficiency difference between the blades?
I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but you are making claims about efficiency without any numbers to back them up.
so do skyscrapers
actually even my short workplace building kills like 2-3 birds a year and those are just the ones i see dead in front of the 2-story glass panels at the entrance. not counting how many more flew away with a concussion to die elsewhere
>It's okay because all these other things are killing them too
Lol.
>it's not okay becuz it huwrts my wittle fweelings
Lol.
Yes.
Black person, everything kills birds
even birds kill birds
birds are dumb as shit
except maybe parrots but in that case you should be keeping an eye on your goddamn pet
why must you be such a humongous homosexual?
frick birds and frick you homosexual
Ok, there are a lot of feral cats.
The graph would be really fricking insane if they combined all cats in one bar.
Frick cats.
P.S. Windmills do mostly kill the larger (and often endangered) birds though, like eagles and vultures. Cats are their diner at best. Not saying I'm against windenergy, because I even have a small investment in it, but it would be nice if they didn't kill those beautiful soaring creatures.
house cats kill many more and yet we have cats
>feel like
found your problem
The virgin solar
Vs
The Chad illegal hydroelectric dam built from a stream.
Unless you're from the desert, I dismiss solar entirely.
>The Chad illegal hydroelectric dam built from a stream
the government will frick you so, so, so hard for doing stuff like this, at least american and canadian. they do not frick around when it comes to water.
>not thermo
It's richgay exclusive.
how do I use it with car batteries? Batteries are fricking expansive only have a budget of 1k€ don't want to pay 1k for lithium batteries. Anyone can shill a good programmable solar charge controller so the car battery isn't deep (dis-)charged?
Just get a power converter. They are usually used for camper vans, tho you'll be limited to 12V.
yeah but I will need thick power lines for that can't do that well without high losses. I am planning to get a couple truck batteries plug them in parallel but that is a massive fire hazard I think.
>Just get a power converter
inverter
It's only free if you steal the panels and then install them yourself.
cost, it snows here, gov't doesn't allow much besides credits for selling to grid.
The damn libtards like it!
I live in a shitty apartment
1. If you're on-grid and want net metering to balance your monthly bill, you will have to pay some fees to infrastructure/electric company and also the labor and connection equipment which will not be fewer than thousands of euros. They will last about 10 years if they are monocrystalline.
2. If you're off-grid you will have to invest on inverters/battery controllers and good lithium batteries which will cost thousands of euros, they will last around 10 years depending on what you paid.
3. If you want cheap batteries and cheap solar panels they will last for 2 years and it might be an even worse investment.
In any case, if you want to offset about 8kWh of consumption per day without destroying your electronics, you will need to spend about 10000 euros. Today I pretty much pay ~ 0.3 euros per kWh including the fixed costs for my bill.
10 years * 365 days * 8kWh/day * 0.3 EUR/kWh = 9636 EUR
If you are lucky and the panels and the batteries last twice as long, that will be a good investment in 20 years. But if you suspect the energy prices are going to be very high soon enough, then it's a good investment. It is a bad investment if your country has cheap energy like <0.15 EUR/kWh and you don't see this changing anytime soon. Net metering also has some weird terms and the electricity companies always have the final say.
Europe just declared Nuclear as green and are beginning to invest in nuclear energy thanks to Russia. Prices might drop significantly. But libtards and leftists don't want to hear this
>But libtards and leftists don't want to hear this
At least in the US, paranoia over nuclear power is a very bipartisan thing. Our right wing fetishizes fossil fuel and thinks a move to more nuclear is a slippery slope to getting nuked by muslims/chinks/whatever.
>Europe just declared Nuclear as green and are beginning to invest in nuclear energy thanks to Russia.
Should've fricking done this from the get go rather than having a significant chunk of energy delivered by fricking Russia of all places. Well at least this is a step in the right direction.
It took Europe Trump and Russia for them to realise how fragile globalism is. 1 rogue moron and everyone suffers.
>Well at least this is a step in the right direction.
You'd think so but the same bill declared gas as green.
Too bad about Germany and France shutting down all their nuclear plants though. Maybe in 50 years or so they'll build some new ones.
France isn't shutting them down, they're building even more.
I rent
The virgin photovoltaic vs the chad solar stirling engine.
>chad solar stirling engine.
how do i get one of these
free
as long as the sun is up. are batteries free yet?
I already have
Like 10y ago
Doubled in size 2018 and added a battery
Installed a heat pump in 2020 (great government benefits here in Germany, got like 20k for it)
The last few month assured me even further I've gone the right way
Spikes in gas prices? I don't care, don't use any
Highest electricity cost in the world here? So what I have over 90% autarky
When I bought my house it had a wood oven which can heat the whole house
I still use it in winter
Thinking about installing a rooftop wind turbine because even with wood heating I have to buy electricity in the winter
>wood burning oven
Frick you. I hate the environmental freaks that turn around and burn wood or other combustible materials that are transported by diesel trucks and trains.
You would unironically produce less emissions if you just used gas or electric heating from the grid.
>environmental freaks
Not him, but who says you need to be an environmentalist to use a wood stove? I use one because it costs me half of what heating with gas costs me in the winter. And guess what, burning wood is a terrible thing for the environment. It probably causes Alzheimer‘s for everyone in the neighborhood. But it’s frick cheap and it’s comfy, so I‘ll take it. In general, I’ll go the cheapest route and let others worry about climate and environment.
free electricity
Dumbass
You need to refine minerals and go through a lot of processing to get these silicon panels
They also degrade over time. Hopefully you can at least replace the glass separately.
it doesn't boil water to generate said electricity e.g. its useless
Personally what worries me most is the cost and longevity of the batteries and not the panel it self.
Yeah solar doesn't solve the storage problem (which is already present thanks to wind turbines), fossil fuels serve two functions in one, they are a source of energy but also a store of energy.
>Why haven't you adopted this technology yet?
Gypsies have an awful tendency to steal them.
consider bolting them down instead of duct taping them
Doesn't matter, if you put it at your summer house on the fields, since you don't live all year there they just hop in some night and unbolt them.
>I have no security for my summer home
sounds like a poor folk problem to me
And that security would prevent them from just doing the same but with some more problems through the path?
And I hate to say this, but in my country with almost 40% of unemployment the rare occurrence is not being poor.
>40% of unemployment
The frick? Where are you from? The Marshall Islands?
Gypsies congregate at rural areas where the police presence is minimal and they make sure they have an absolute numbers advantage. They have guns, where the locals don't and they can pick up their stuff disappear from the area for a few weeks if need be.
>The frick? Where are you from? The Marshall Islands?
No, since the 2007 crisis Spain has had a constant over 30% unemployment.
The source of all knowledge and statistica say that you are lying. In EU greece has by far the largest unemployment rate, and they don't factor in the conscripts doing military time and college/uni students, and it isn't over 20%. There is no way spain has 40% unemployment rate.
My bad, 30% is the unemployment of men under 25yo.
spain anon is correct
Statistics lie all the time to make the government look "less" bad. Official Inflation numbers are at around 10% YoY and everyone knows it's bullshit, i'd ballpark it at 40%, depending on what you buy. Food and fuel is almost over 50% yoy and I'm not even getting into other energy prices.
Also, yes, young population is severely unemployed and the ones who are have ludicruos salaries.
And lastly, yes, gypsies (depends on the zones) do roam the rural lands, steal and do not have the same sub-zero IQ of feral Black folk, they're quite savvy at what they do.
Can you rephrase your question in English please? I don't speak whatever poor dialect you just typed at me.
lol you think gypsies stop at stealing things that aren't bolted down
He obviously not lived near gypsies. Anyone who has knows whats up. That being said, large panels weight a lot and are not as easy to move without a proper truck. That combined with some b***h ass alarm system and a couple of cameras would keep your property fairly safe. Thats how people are doing it in my area that is choke full of the scum.
are gypsies living gods of stealing shit or something?
i'm a mutt so i figured nogs are the same, and nogs are pretty easy to deal with unless you live in the hood. most of them are too pussy to steal something bolted down because they know the cops won't put up with their homosexualry.
Gypsies know how to plug themselves on your house or on businesses and fire hydrants to have free water and electricity. They often steal copper from electric substations to resell it. I don't know how they can do all of this, but they live in a culture of theft, more than nogs, because their entire existence depends on it.
>they live in a culture of theft, more than nogs, because their entire existence depends on it.
ngl that sounds kind of based
How to spot the smelly NEETs of this board.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THINGS THROUGH FORCE YOU HAVE TO SLAVE AWAY FOR SHEKELSTEIN IN EXCHANGE FOR CONSOOMER POINTS NOOOOOO CAPITALISM IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED
*blocks ur path*
¡ES TOTALAS DISASTOROS!
the FAA owns the airspace above your home, you are STEALING sunlight from the government
pv solar is such garbage compared to concentrating solar-thermal powering a boiler and steam turbine.
if you don't have an array of mirrors creating a literal death beam of sunlight radiation energy are you even a nerd?
25 year last
why spend money on it best way is waiting once solar panels price is around 50 box
it's insane how many people here are angry at solar energy. not even against but angry.
I guess it has something to do with american politics, as everything on else IQfy
the site has been flooded with alt-right election tourists who refuse to frick off
it's not alt right to be seething at the habitat destruction large scale solar and wind installs are causing
I live somewhere without sun during wintertime. Granted I am renter too.
>gypies and Black folk refuse to slave away for israelites and make them richer
unironically based
Large up-front capital expense
Live in a cloudy city
Doesn't work at night
Doesn't work when snowed on
holy shit that's even more based
if nogs functioned like that i'd have way more respect for them
Besides thieving and murdering they also prostitute out their children and sell sub-par tainted drugs, of which they also give to their children when they want them compliant or to shut them up. There is nothing based about gypsies. They are literally subhuman scum. Btw they are working for the "jews". They pay them to do dirty work, to buy votes and to move in to areas in order to decrease the property values.
>Btw they are working for the "jews".
>gypsies destroying capitalism by using capitalism against itself
With every post you make gypsies sound more and more based. How is this possible?
is this supposed to turn me off of them? it just keeps sounding better and better
how is it free if I have to pay for them?
too much waste
better stored as heated water
or water reservoir
It's not free in my country.
panels and batteries are not
>literally free waste of cobalt
just lift a rock
What a fricking meme.
We already have something we can lift upwards using excess electricity that can easily be lowered again without attaching steel cables to winches and heavy motors.
It's called 'water'.
>store
>hydrogen
No
Solar for backup power is pretty cool. I put together 2 server rack lifepo4 batteries, 10kw total and 2kw solar. Will run a dc fridge, cameras, monitor/router/modem/lights/a few blower fans, and other temporary appliances in an outage indefinitely. Could run a small window ac or small heater for most of the day or night if needed also.
i have some on my roof. it's a small array, but it was enough to fully cover my mid-day energy use in spring and it offsets my AC through summer so far, not to mention some kind of enviromental bonuses i'm getting from my energy provider for "using less than average two-person household" even though i use way more, but solar substraction gets me below threshold
good shit
It's not free. Here in Brazil at least you still need to pay a minimum for electricity even if your panels cover everything.
>solar shits itself after 20 years
>solar's been around long enough that installers are constantly removing old systems to reinstall new ones
>recycling solar panels that still have 80% efficiency is so chemically messy and costly that installers have to pay up the arse for someone else to take the panels
>be anon
>make frens with installer
>get all their removed panels
>connect each up with a $15 pwm charge controller
>doesn't matter if the panels are all out of balance, nice clean 12v for $15 + a couple brackets
>dump into used lifepo4 batteries
>power all lights in house directly off 12v line
>ws2811 strips everywhere, use onewire to control literally all of them
>connect 12v line to 2kw pure sine wave inverter
>batteries hold enough juice to keep all my computers running for a week even in complete darkness
>wood fire for heating
>life is good
free electricity
ROI = 2 more weeks
>ROI = 2 more weeks
most people getting system installed need 10-15 years minimum
>most people getting system installed need 10-15 years minimum
10-15 years plus added maintenance means it will always be 10-15 years from the current date..
If you install a new system today in 15 years the ROI will still be another 15 years. Every component will be replaced in that time, most panels will be replaced 5 times in 15 years.
yea seems like a big scam unless cali is paying for it
for backup it's probably better just to get batteries and have them charge on utility during blackouts but probably a large amount of cost is also on the batteries
>yea seems like a big scam
It's a scam if someone is telling you that you will save money. The government subsidies are a joke, too. The people that can afford solar systems do not need subsidies.
Solar is cool if you want to live off grid or just like tinkering with electronics. It can be a great hobby. You will never save any money, though.
>You will never save any money, though.
At current market prices, my modestly sized solar system produces roughly six Euros worth of tax- and transfer fee free electricity per day. If I were to buy that electricity, it would cost closer to ten Euros. If this keeps up, it'll turn a profit in considerably less than a decade, lol.
Literally free electricity while doing sports.
Why haven't you adopted 1900s bicycle technology?
could be very useful for regen braking
basically add a giant 5 Ohms resistor and turns into heat. le maximum efficiency
>hundreds of years
>billions of dollars
>millions of man hours
>all to bring you the most efficient energy on the planet on demand
>virtue signaling morons would rather spend MORE money on meme energy and burning wood
>virtue signaling morons create more emissions than normal people using the grid
>virtue signaling morons are subsidized by the people they claim to hate so much
>virtue signaling morons stop paying to use the grid that their taxes already funded
>virtue signaling morons are literally the reason energy prices are going up because the grid is critical infrastructure and the remaining customers must pay for it
>virtue signaling morons can't understand why their taxes go up when they don't use energy from the grid anymore
Why are you so fricking moronic?
I live in an apartment.
It's cloudy 70% of the year.
My electricity bill is around 3% of my earnings
>3% of your earnings
where tf do you live? my electricity last month was almost triple that of june 2021. shit is getting to a point where I‘ll soon be spending more that I‘m earning. power, food, heating, rent now eats up almost 90% of my income, where it used to be closer to 50% a few years ago
central europe
blessed coal power
the virgin solar panel
>lame house accessory for homosexuals
>works by sucking up the rays from the sun like a queer little flower
>forces you to clean bird shit off of it
>stops working if it's slightly cloudy
>bought by sois and foids to virtue signal with no real expectation of ROI
the chad wind turbine
>towering fiberglass wheel of death
>works by harvesting the force of god that throws Black folk around like tumbleweeds during a hurricane
>turns birds into mulch
>stops working whenever it damn well feels like it
>built to make moronic women seethe, somehow ends up being useful
Oh but I have.
Currently charging at 2,7 kW. Feels good man.
>earn back $3000 in powering the grid during the day
>pay for maximum usage at night
>costs $4000 to install
gg
unless u live in a place that is very sunny its not worth.
I live where it is very sunny year round but even then dropping $16,000 on panels, batteries, and permits isn't worth it. If Biden could spare a moment between his diddling children and blaming everything on Trump maybe he could make the barrier to entry reasonable.
Because government want to tax me to get off the grid. I would be paying 4 times of the cost of material and instalation.
If it is so good for the environment and decreases our dependence on coal then why don't government gives us these solar panels for a fraction of their price?
Surely they can sell it at price or something.
Talking about rich first world countries obviously who have money.
solar is subsidized out the ass; for every panel installed hundreds of dollars have been stolen from tax payers to pay for it.
So are creditcards. I've got a creditcard and I've got PV which will likely be making money next year with current electricity prices.
If you are going to pay for it any way, might as well benefit.
Only $20k and you get free electricity for a while!
Don't they have like 20 year age?
capitalisms at work
It is kinda ingenious if you look at it. All the profit right at the start, and after that: transaction over. All other problems are now the owner's. Of course they'll go for this.
>so inefficient it takes 10 year to pay for itself
>by the time its paid, its already broken
it has been cloudy for past month right now and I've seen the sun only on like 3 separate days
you don't get solar panels for "free electricity", you do it to become less dependent on the power grid. they're expensive as frick and you're never gonna offset the costs of the purchase + maintenance from the savings you're making.
Aussie here unless you have a 10kw+ system and good feed in tariff and battery storage it's useless.
>gypsies steal from their neighbor
>communists pretend this is a strike against "the man"
just another example of how it's the man next door with two cows the reds are actually trying to hurt; envy.
I did the math and without having to replace any (we get hail here every so often) it would have taken me 20 years to pay off. Then I learned about efficiency loss over time and if it failed at the expected rate, it would go up to 25 or more.
Then I spoke to an older electrician who actually has solar hooked up to a shed and he claimed that it won't be commercially ready for full home power for a long time. Yes, it can be used to power parking lot lights, street signs, billboards, sheds or even off-grid things but if you want guaranteed power, it's not ready without a sizeable investment.
Oddly, he was all about roof-mounted water heating because it made sense. He also actually convinced me that geothermal is the way to go for heating/cooling. Yes, there is also a nice sized investment but it pays itself off rather quickly and is very reliable.
energy is highly fungible, if one type goes up the rest do too
gonna be funny when the guys who spent a grand on a brand new wood furnace find out what the price of firewood is gonna be this winter
Simple, Because the amount of energy that comes outta these are shit.
Got picrel incase of socialist powered power outages and as a laptop powerbank. When the sun is at full blast here my panels get around 120Watts. Whenever there's a slight cloud, it drops to 30Watts. Whenever there's regular clouds I barely get 10Watts.
The powerstation has it's uses, but those solar panels aren't even going to keep my laptop running unless I move to the sahara.
They take decades to get your money back and that's if they don't outright fail like most solar panels. You get caught in a loop of buying expensive shit over and over again costing you more than traditional energy. Solar panels are the ultimate midwit bait.
I'm in the process. I got about 100v of PV cells I'm rigging up to do device charging
I got a good deal on a pile of small cells so I gotta wire them up. currently working on a charging circuit. I'm gonna take all the disposable vape batteries I've gathered from vapers at woek and charge those during the day when the sun hits my apt window and then charge my phones and watches at night
it's a small start but it will give me experience in rolling my own solar and building the circuits to harness the energy and charge batteries. I find some lifepo4 batteries I want to get once I have some experience like a dollar an amp hour at 12 volts, seems like a good deal
I am thinking of setting up panels without batteries. Our power has different tiers and I am tired of getting ass fricked by tier two power. My understanding is that most of the cost is for the batteries but can't find much for this setup. Do I still need batteries as part of the power conditioning? I will only save money if I produce for 15% of my needs.
I believe you will always need batteries, its too variable. perhaps a capacitor bank could work for your usecase.
are you really this fricking moronic? do you even have a full solar home before questioning others?
Solar panels are nifty, but just automate your power consumption based on current cost instead.
Automate your water boiler, lighting, car charging, laundry to happen at optimal cost times instead of peak times, and you'll save way more than by buying solar panels.
Then you can also do step-wise heating of your place based on current cost (if it steps above threshold, reduce temp by -1c, then just have several different thresholds).
It's easy to do as well.
What if your power company charges a flat rate at all hours?
then I guess there's no point, but home automation is still a fun little hobby.
Because nuclear is da way
Solar panels are so communist, it hurts.
They'd be communist if they were government mandated including expectation to give them 70% of your collected energy.
Wouldn't be surprised to see that happening though.
If you want to go off grid, but with electricity, it's one of the few choices.
Thermal power has always meant to be a supplement, not the main attraction like these green peace and politicians keep shilling for. Nuclear still is the way to go and is our inevitable future.
ill do it later, still recovering from mercury poisoning thanks to all the CFL bulbs I installed
They are expensive and don't break even anywhere that supplies their own oil or coal. Most are made from material mined by child slaves. They never make up for their carbon cost either.
Taxed to us them, and the power company charges you a penalty if you put "too much" into their grid/use little grid energy. Wasn't the point of this to lower your bills or avoid consuming energy from a utility company? Energy independence/self sustainability is a meme when you get to the bureaucracy aspect because some person or consortium of unelected individuals will allow utility companies to fine you $45 for not using their infrastrucure all month.
you will own nothing and never disconnect from the system
I don't even understand why they themselves would want to live in such a world. Once they own everything, and control everything, they'll still be miserable c**ts, only now the entire world is paying for it.
Powerhungry psychopaths never think in the long term. Well they do, but in terms of consequences, it doesnt matter to them.
the thing with communism is that they constantly purge the least leftist commie, he's next to get eaten. lefties call this the "circular firing squad", and wonder why they have such a tendency to fracture into a million parties (M, ML, M-L-M, etc etc)
which means that the only safe position to have around commies is to be more leftist than the next guy. this creates a holiness spiral, that only ends in the red khmers, or if you're lucky, stalin killing everyone who claims to be a better communist than he was.
Utility companies never replace infrastrucure until it's ready to fail. If your power goes out because you live in an area where the utility poles and cables are as old as your grandma then tough shit. Having customers generating electricity for the grid reduces their costs at your expense if you choose to supply them.
In capitalism companies have the right to make a profit and the bourgeois state must guarantee this, forcing people to give money to them.
You would be calling it an infrastructure tax if the utility were operated by the state.
>You have to pay for it because everyone uses it, it's the people's infrastructure!
And then they would seize your solar panels, say you don't need them and reinstall them near a government office, school, or police station.
>You spend too much time on the computer, so from now on the power will be shutoff between 6pm and 6am
Bureauceacy is the problem no matter what economic system is in place.
>literally free
This is where I knew that you're a fricking moron.
I fricking hate utility companies. Literally the definition of a communist governing body. They are literal cartels
Define communist governing body. Because communists would just hard cap or cut off your energy if it was desired.
How can you even unironically put communist and liberal in the same sentence.
Socialism is the same as communism.
>or cut off your energy if it was desired.
Energy companies cut off energy all the time. All the black outs in the past ten years were from companies intentionally cutting the grid off.
1. I live in an apartment building, so can have it.
2. Even if I had my own house and land, regulations surrounding installing these, and selling electricity to the gird are breaking the deal. So much for governments supporting green transformation. They are green only when it comes to taxing you for breathing.
>can't have it
Too late anon, we already saw
Doesn't give enough Chinese kids cancer to be worth buying yet
Oy vey won't someone think of the poor Sun.