>literally free electricity

>literally free electricity
Why haven't you adopted this technology yet?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    because you need a house full of batteries to actually supply you 24/7
    thats why

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >because you need a house full of batteries to actually supply you 24/7
      no? just wire it into the grid, and have your power company reimburse your bill

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        net metering isnt that simple plus whats the point?
        you need the batteries in case of a blackout

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          you don't need net metering to do it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >and have your power company reimburse your bill
        In my country you actually need to pay to push energy on the net, because you could overload its capacity
        Yes, it's stupid

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Belgium?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Use the excess electricity to mine Monero. It's a non-issue in 2022.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          We had a similar law here in Spain. It was so fricking moronic and I'm glad it was eventually struck down.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >In my country you actually need to pay to push energy on the net, because you could overload its capacity
          >Yes, it's stupid
          Are Americans really this stupid? Who do you think pays when you push energy and break their infrastructure? There's a reason companies sell electricity at negative rates.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you get 1/10 of the price the energy costs you for usage, its a israelite scam

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >ITS DA JUICE

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        many utilities are now starting to adopt a blowe minimum usage fee so you get fricked on that

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this

        you get 1/10 of the price the energy costs you for usage, its a israelite scam

        frick those israelites i'd sooner use m
        y excess to run growlights for ganja and sell it to black african Black folk on the dark web

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          thanks for clearing up that the african Black folk are indeed black

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        because you need a house full of batteries to actually supply you 24/7
        thats why

        you get 1/10 of the price the energy costs you for usage, its a israelite scam

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >subhuman state has subhuman policies
          as usual

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >in the sunshine state

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          this is why if you ever get solar you go off grid completely, never grid fed

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >and pay income taxes on the power you feed into the grid
        lol, lmao even

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          you are free to buy, or build batteries homie

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I have. I only pay the line fee to be connected to the grid about 9 months out of the year. In the summer, I generate more than I use and the meter spins backwards. The electric company doesn't send me a check, but instead credits my account with that electricity, which I then use for part of the winter. It would probably be zero electric bill year round if I weren't using heat pumps for heating and cooling too, to reduce the gas bill.

      I don't have any batteries. The grid is effectively a battery with 100% efficiency. When I use more than I generate, I just use power plant power. When I generate more than I use, I help power my neighbors and reduce load on the power plants.

      Is that...a solar panel??

      I didn't get the bird exclusion stuff and haven't had problems with them. They don't want to sit on a slippery hot surface, and what shit lands there from flying birds is washed off by the rain.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The electric company doesn't send me a check, but instead credits my account with that electricity, which I then use for part of the winter.
        I meant to add, this depends where you live. Some places they do pay you a fraction of the energy price. Where I live they never pay, but a 100% credit is worth far more.
        Also, this arrangement wouldn't be very viable if everyone did it. If more power is generated than the grid uses, they need to build giant batteries, typically the water-gravity type, to store this power. Neither that nor maintaining a power plant that's idle when it's sunny, is free.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, I live in Cali so peak hours are midday. I get money from PGE every month, and can run free AC and all my electronics without worry. i get 350days of pure sun a year though so obviously if you're not getting enough sun then solar doesn't make sense.

      Also, the initial costs were basically free between the state and federal tax credits.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Costs a ton of money
    >Needs to be replaced every few years
    It's literally free money!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      those solar panels require resources to make, and they're not renewable resources either. they also deteriorate quickly and have to be replaced every couple of years. you realize that, right?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >le 5mins of israelitegle says...
        Those stupidly small sample sizes dont translate well to real life homosexual. You can't normalise data across over 100 countries and claim raingays are lying when they say their panels last 2 week. Go back to Rèddit with that "muh studies" bullshit.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Aren't most solar panels well beyond their official expiration date and still going strong?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Most
            Who has ran solar panels for 25 years?
            Warranty is usually 3-5 years.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They slowly degrade over time

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            what's the x-axis? years, days, minutes?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They slowly degrade over time

            Even with crappy ones you get 80% out of them after 25 years.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Are those years? Months?this graph is useless. Even if it's half as good it's still free once you've gotten more energy out than you would have paid to use fossil fueled power

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, solar panels go strong with very minimal maintenance and degradation year after year. Just clean up the stupid leaves/snow if its on top and you're good to go.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >That evidence is wrong because israelites reeeeeeeee

          Holy frick have a nice day you Fricking autist

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >still working at expected capacity
        the thing is expected capacity at 40 years old is 0.02W per square kilometer on the most sunny day

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          This. "Expected" in that context means "like shit, or worse".

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          According to actual sources they lose like 10-15% of performance in 20 years

          >Most
          Who has ran solar panels for 25 years?
          Warranty is usually 3-5 years.

          Warranty is usually 20 years

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you are free to buy, or build batteries homie

        >solar shits itself after 20 years
        >solar's been around long enough that installers are constantly removing old systems to reinstall new ones
        >recycling solar panels that still have 80% efficiency is so chemically messy and costly that installers have to pay up the arse for someone else to take the panels
        >be anon
        >make frens with installer
        >get all their removed panels
        >connect each up with a $15 pwm charge controller
        >doesn't matter if the panels are all out of balance, nice clean 12v for $15 + a couple brackets
        >dump into used lifepo4 batteries
        >power all lights in house directly off 12v line
        >ws2811 strips everywhere, use onewire to control literally all of them
        >connect 12v line to 2kw pure sine wave inverter
        >batteries hold enough juice to keep all my computers running for a week even in complete darkness
        >wood fire for heating
        >life is good

        kek

        I'm an electrical contractor and panels do not last very long. You need to constantly clean them, too, or they lose efficiency.

        I replace them every 2-3 years. After the first replacement most people just stop maintaining the system and turn it off.

        The best part? Now your roof leaks. No refunds.

        Anyone shilling their amazing solar panels hasn't owned the system for more than 3 years, guaranteed.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Now your roof leaks
          Why?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            because he's a fricking moron monkey who doesn't know how to install solar panels without making your roof leak

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            or he makes money from fixing the roof every week

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If you have a flat roof it's trivial to DIY (outside some totalitarian hell holes like Oz, where you aren't allowed to DIY lekki).

      Earn back time with net metering is a couple years.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Here's your "free", "green energy" solar panels being produced bro

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      honestly this is a cool aesthetic and i wish more fiction tried recreate it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's a steel plant in china.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Same difference

        https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/toxic-lake-black-sludge-result-mining-create-tech/story?id=30122911

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      damn they should get some solar panels

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      ah Shenzhen CBD, how i miss thee

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      do you guys ever just marvel that 1 human thought it was OK to put that amount of pollution in the air for everyone to breath in the vicinity, for his own profits?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >do you guys ever just marvel that 1 human thought
        >photo is a plant in China
        Anon, I...

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          same thought, but in the west

          there's always someone whose idea this is. someone who takes the lion's share of profits. perhaps they think to themselves that they are creating jobs, products etc. but its always one c**t who took a huge share and poisoned the area for the others

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            In the West we realized we like breathing and our children growing up without cancer, mostly

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        dupoint? money(then power) is root of evil

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >cyberpunk aesthetics

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        solarpunk

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    those solar panels require resources to make, and they're not renewable resources either. they also deteriorate quickly and have to be replaced every couple of years. you realize that, right?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      remember that communists just steal the money to pay for them and call it "subsidies"

      anything's cheap on a five finger discount

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Implying fossil fuels aren’t subsidized?

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    takes about 20 years to pay themselves off, that's not worth the hassle and up-front cost.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      20 years? This can't be right?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Depends a lot on how expensive electricity is where you live

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        depends on the cost of the panels, your battery storage or ability to sell back to the grid (if any), and how much sunlight your roof gets. Oh yeah, and the price of grid power, the cheaper that is, the longer the payoff period. But yeah, it can easily be a long-ass time. My mom lives in the midwest US and bought a bunch of panels, and if I remember right she won't break even on them for something like fifteen years.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >she won't break even on them for something like fifteen years
          and that's only if she doesn't have to replace one or five in that time.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      20 years? This can't be right?

      Depends a lot on how expensive electricity is where you live

      Takes like 5-7 years according to youtubers who have it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        ((youtubers))

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        last time I trusted israeliteTubers I bought the Nexus 6P.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >according to youtubers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Who said anything about a loan? Just DIY.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      govt already wasting money why not just give out / pay for them anyways with muh climax change

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      LOL, found the renter, the panels add their value or more to the equity of your house making them basically free, coupled that with them lowering your power bill and its basically free money

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        "home equity" is useless unless and until you sell. Is it worthwhile to own something instead of renting? Yes. Is it worth spending piles of money to increase the value of something you own when you aren't planning on selling it? No, it is not. All that does is increase your property taxes.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is that...a solar panel??

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    IQfy is filled with misinformed, uneducated, poverty alt-right incels who stick a branch in their wheels every day to fuel their addiction to outrage

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Rent free

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        with their parents

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How about rooftop wind turbine, feel like it's cheaper, generate more energy and easier to maintenance

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's actually the opposite for all 3. The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.

      Is that...a solar panel??

      Costs 200 extra to have bird exclusion kits installed at the same time to stop this.

      >Costs a ton of money
      >Needs to be replaced every few years
      It's literally free money!

      Every panel you can buy from a decent company has at least 12 year manufacturing warranty, and 25 year performance warranty (around 85% after 25y) and the high end ones have 25 year manufacturing and performance. Best on the market is a lifetime warranty from SunPower.

      because you need a house full of batteries to actually supply you 24/7
      thats why

      Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.

      For a technology board you frickers know absolutely nothing about shit that isn't consumer PCs.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >muh 10000 year warranty
        yeah until there's some new advancement in technology in 5 years and solar panels are way tinier and more efficient and don't require a house full of batteries to actually do anything worthwhile.
        so now you either get rid of the old ones and buy the new ones, wasting all the money you paid (that is if you're not in debt for them still)
        or just cry about it as you're forced to keep and maintain your outdated pieces of junk indefinitely because you listened to some shill online. but hey, if they break, the company will get you a set of the same exact obsolete ones for the next 50 years of warranty. awesome right? kek

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What sort of fricking technology do you think is gonna allow solar panels to power your house at night with no form of energy storage?

          Newer shit coming out doesn't render your old shit obsolete moron, unless you'd get a faster payback time for both systems overall by buying a new set rather than keeping your existing ones.

          Also what maintenance do you think is required for a solar panel? You literally have to wash them once every 5 years, and maybe install pigeon netting so they don't roost under it. Once you've installed the panels if it's been done by competent people then there is no maintenance unless something happens to fail, but if you have a warranty anyway.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Just wait for perovskite+UCNP.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >hehe all your arguments are invalid because this few imaginary conditions will happen very soon.
          You're the blackest in this thread.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >solar panels are way tinier and more efficient and don't require a house full of batteries to actually do anything worthwhile.
          Solar panels are 20% efficient. There is no concievable technology that could allow for more than maybe 50% efficiency in the next five years, if we're being very optimistic about things like multi-junction perovskite cells.
          And even if they were 100% efficient, they wouldn't be able to do that. Just not enough light around.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
        Wind dies down at night. Usually to levels where the turbines won’t rotate. Maybe those tiny household units will. But the big ones are just as useless as photovoltaics once the sun goes down.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.

        my father back in the early bloom of PVs he threw away almost 40k to install a 49.5kwp system and this was back the early stages so he basicly had almost 2 hectares worth of land for this shits
        this year after he upgraded the whole thing since even the cables were way past their date for the same yield(50kwp) he paid 29k and got 1 hectare of land back
        currently he gets paid 0.1861/kwh at around 11k per year
        currently he is thinking if he should just scrap the whole thing and slap a completely new system with some maxeon m series that will yield him on the same land(2ha)around 139kwp(give or take 130k kwh)so around 23k income
        but the city council has some problem because their grid isnt really new and they are afraid if a blackout happens and the system shoots out a large amount of voltage it will do some damage

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.
        For what? I use ~500 kWh per year. Even the sun doesn't shine for a week, that doesn't happen 10% of a year.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Every panel you can buy from a decent company has at least 12 year manufacturing warranty, and 25 year performance warranty (around 85% after 25y) and the high end ones have 25 year manufacturing and performance. Best on the market is a lifetime warranty from SunPower.
        how many of those companies will still exist in 25 years? easy enough to just disappear

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >For a technology board you frickers know absolutely nothing about shit that isn't consumer PCs.
        Or maybe they're not suckers who got conned by a shitty marketing campaign. Go peddle your bullshit and your warez on plebbit you homosexual fricking fraud.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's good if you live in a windy area, in most places you'll get frickall power out of them. Your $4k turbine will be averaging 100w.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        connect turbine to a stationary bicycle when that happens

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      they are so ineffective, you need to live next to a see shore for it to be worth it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      if your house isn't big enough, there are lots of buildings around you etc. its useless also vibration is a big issue. Wind is nice in theory but you need a steady supply that highly depends on your location.

      It's actually the opposite for all 3. The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.

      [...]
      Costs 200 extra to have bird exclusion kits installed at the same time to stop this.

      [...]
      Every panel you can buy from a decent company has at least 12 year manufacturing warranty, and 25 year performance warranty (around 85% after 25y) and the high end ones have 25 year manufacturing and performance. Best on the market is a lifetime warranty from SunPower.

      [...]
      Most people need around 7-10kWh battery storage to take them off grid for 90% of the year.

      For a technology board you frickers know absolutely nothing about shit that isn't consumer PCs.

      >It's actually the opposite for all 3. The only benefit with turbines is generating when its dark.
      depends on the location but wind is everywhere in Europe while solar usually clocks to 1000h a year in Spain if I remember the data right.
      Funny thing there is now talk on how wind turbines result in drier climates i.e. Europe is massively fricking themselves if they continue to go all in on Wind energy and the hypothesis turns out to be right I wouldn't put it into the schizo category considering the track record of political agenda.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Moving parts are a problem to maintain. You need to grease it, clean it, make sure it doesn't cause damage to the roof/people under if the motor explodes, etc.

      Thats why its just better to have a larger solar panel + battery.

      Now I'm not completely against wind turbines. I think there are some interesting solid state wind power, or bladeless power generators. However that's a long way off.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this, wind itself is fine but it's hard to do right. any moron can slap down a solar panel.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      literally the opposite, wind power scales down terribly while PV scales fine. Most efficient to make the blades as big as possible (without the tips going supersonic). Offshore wind is more reliable too.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      god i hate birds man

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I live on a sailboat with both solar and wind. The solar puts out what it is rated for in full sun. Wind genny never puts out full rating solar is better.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I live on a sailboat

        photos or did didnt happen

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      these things are frickexpensive, kinda loud, hard to maintain and only work in a few places

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >probably loud as shit
      >need to be maintained constantly
      >questionable efficiency
      >better hope the wind doesn't get too strong

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      make your own by attaching the fan blade thing to a car battery charger

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      and free minced birds

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You build that shit in my neighbourhood I'll kill you. Plain and simple. I will not abide those 70db monstrosities near me.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        nobody gives a shit about you karen, and you don't have the balls nor the capability of killing anybody. Shut the frick up. If you lived in my neighborhood I would build a whole windmill farm just to piss your pussy ass off.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wind turbines get more efficient the bigger/taller you make them.
      That's why the latest wind turbines are gigantic.

      Tiny ass home turbines are inefficient as frick.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Tiny ass home turbines are inefficient as frick.

        What about the helix style turbines? They will always catch wind from every direction and should be easiwe to service with the generator on the bottom.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I think the tradeoff with those is they are less efficient still but I could be wrong.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >What about the helix style turbines?
          Even less efficient.
          And turning a turbine into the wind is super easy anyways.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        don't those end up killing a ton of birds

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          They kill a non-zero amount of birds. Not enough to actually matter.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >don't those end up killing a ton of birds

          don't cars kill a ton of birds? and humans? and all kind of other animals?

          >What about the helix style turbines?
          Even less efficient.
          And turning a turbine into the wind is super easy anyways.

          >Even less efficient.
          Can you provide any source?

          Is it the height or the shape of the blades?

          Does catching all wind from all angles offset the efficiency difference between the blades?

          I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but you are making claims about efficiency without any numbers to back them up.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          so do skyscrapers

          actually even my short workplace building kills like 2-3 birds a year and those are just the ones i see dead in front of the 2-story glass panels at the entrance. not counting how many more flew away with a concussion to die elsewhere

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >don't those end up killing a ton of birds

            don't cars kill a ton of birds? and humans? and all kind of other animals?

            [...]
            >Even less efficient.
            Can you provide any source?

            Is it the height or the shape of the blades?

            Does catching all wind from all angles offset the efficiency difference between the blades?

            I'm not saying that I don't believe you, but you are making claims about efficiency without any numbers to back them up.

            They kill a non-zero amount of birds. Not enough to actually matter.

            >It's okay because all these other things are killing them too
            Lol.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >it's not okay becuz it huwrts my wittle fweelings

            Lol.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Black person, everything kills birds
            even birds kill birds
            birds are dumb as shit
            except maybe parrots but in that case you should be keeping an eye on your goddamn pet

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            why must you be such a humongous homosexual?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            frick birds and frick you homosexual

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Ok, there are a lot of feral cats.
            The graph would be really fricking insane if they combined all cats in one bar.
            Frick cats.
            P.S. Windmills do mostly kill the larger (and often endangered) birds though, like eagles and vultures. Cats are their diner at best. Not saying I'm against windenergy, because I even have a small investment in it, but it would be nice if they didn't kill those beautiful soaring creatures.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          house cats kill many more and yet we have cats

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >feel like
      found your problem

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The virgin solar
    Vs
    The Chad illegal hydroelectric dam built from a stream.

    Unless you're from the desert, I dismiss solar entirely.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The Chad illegal hydroelectric dam built from a stream
      the government will frick you so, so, so hard for doing stuff like this, at least american and canadian. they do not frick around when it comes to water.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >not thermo

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's richgay exclusive.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    how do I use it with car batteries? Batteries are fricking expansive only have a budget of 1k€ don't want to pay 1k for lithium batteries. Anyone can shill a good programmable solar charge controller so the car battery isn't deep (dis-)charged?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just get a power converter. They are usually used for camper vans, tho you'll be limited to 12V.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but I will need thick power lines for that can't do that well without high losses. I am planning to get a couple truck batteries plug them in parallel but that is a massive fire hazard I think.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Just get a power converter
        inverter

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's only free if you steal the panels and then install them yourself.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    cost, it snows here, gov't doesn't allow much besides credits for selling to grid.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The damn libtards like it!

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I live in a shitty apartment

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1. If you're on-grid and want net metering to balance your monthly bill, you will have to pay some fees to infrastructure/electric company and also the labor and connection equipment which will not be fewer than thousands of euros. They will last about 10 years if they are monocrystalline.
    2. If you're off-grid you will have to invest on inverters/battery controllers and good lithium batteries which will cost thousands of euros, they will last around 10 years depending on what you paid.
    3. If you want cheap batteries and cheap solar panels they will last for 2 years and it might be an even worse investment.

    In any case, if you want to offset about 8kWh of consumption per day without destroying your electronics, you will need to spend about 10000 euros. Today I pretty much pay ~ 0.3 euros per kWh including the fixed costs for my bill.

    10 years * 365 days * 8kWh/day * 0.3 EUR/kWh = 9636 EUR

    If you are lucky and the panels and the batteries last twice as long, that will be a good investment in 20 years. But if you suspect the energy prices are going to be very high soon enough, then it's a good investment. It is a bad investment if your country has cheap energy like <0.15 EUR/kWh and you don't see this changing anytime soon. Net metering also has some weird terms and the electricity companies always have the final say.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Europe just declared Nuclear as green and are beginning to invest in nuclear energy thanks to Russia. Prices might drop significantly. But libtards and leftists don't want to hear this

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >But libtards and leftists don't want to hear this
        At least in the US, paranoia over nuclear power is a very bipartisan thing. Our right wing fetishizes fossil fuel and thinks a move to more nuclear is a slippery slope to getting nuked by muslims/chinks/whatever.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Europe just declared Nuclear as green and are beginning to invest in nuclear energy thanks to Russia.
        Should've fricking done this from the get go rather than having a significant chunk of energy delivered by fricking Russia of all places. Well at least this is a step in the right direction.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It took Europe Trump and Russia for them to realise how fragile globalism is. 1 rogue moron and everyone suffers.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Well at least this is a step in the right direction.
          You'd think so but the same bill declared gas as green.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Europe just declared Nuclear as green and are beginning to invest in nuclear energy thanks to Russia.
        Should've fricking done this from the get go rather than having a significant chunk of energy delivered by fricking Russia of all places. Well at least this is a step in the right direction.

        Too bad about Germany and France shutting down all their nuclear plants though. Maybe in 50 years or so they'll build some new ones.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          France isn't shutting them down, they're building even more.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I rent

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The virgin photovoltaic vs the chad solar stirling engine.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >chad solar stirling engine.
      how do i get one of these

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    free
    as long as the sun is up. are batteries free yet?

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I already have
    Like 10y ago
    Doubled in size 2018 and added a battery
    Installed a heat pump in 2020 (great government benefits here in Germany, got like 20k for it)

    The last few month assured me even further I've gone the right way
    Spikes in gas prices? I don't care, don't use any
    Highest electricity cost in the world here? So what I have over 90% autarky

    When I bought my house it had a wood oven which can heat the whole house
    I still use it in winter
    Thinking about installing a rooftop wind turbine because even with wood heating I have to buy electricity in the winter

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >wood burning oven

      Frick you. I hate the environmental freaks that turn around and burn wood or other combustible materials that are transported by diesel trucks and trains.

      You would unironically produce less emissions if you just used gas or electric heating from the grid.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >environmental freaks
        Not him, but who says you need to be an environmentalist to use a wood stove? I use one because it costs me half of what heating with gas costs me in the winter. And guess what, burning wood is a terrible thing for the environment. It probably causes Alzheimer‘s for everyone in the neighborhood. But it’s frick cheap and it’s comfy, so I‘ll take it. In general, I’ll go the cheapest route and let others worry about climate and environment.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    free electricity
    Dumbass
    You need to refine minerals and go through a lot of processing to get these silicon panels
    They also degrade over time. Hopefully you can at least replace the glass separately.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it doesn't boil water to generate said electricity e.g. its useless

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Personally what worries me most is the cost and longevity of the batteries and not the panel it self.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah solar doesn't solve the storage problem (which is already present thanks to wind turbines), fossil fuels serve two functions in one, they are a source of energy but also a store of energy.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Why haven't you adopted this technology yet?
    Gypsies have an awful tendency to steal them.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      consider bolting them down instead of duct taping them

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't matter, if you put it at your summer house on the fields, since you don't live all year there they just hop in some night and unbolt them.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >I have no security for my summer home
          sounds like a poor folk problem to me

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            And that security would prevent them from just doing the same but with some more problems through the path?
            And I hate to say this, but in my country with almost 40% of unemployment the rare occurrence is not being poor.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >40% of unemployment
            The frick? Where are you from? The Marshall Islands?

            [...]
            are gypsies living gods of stealing shit or something?
            i'm a mutt so i figured nogs are the same, and nogs are pretty easy to deal with unless you live in the hood. most of them are too pussy to steal something bolted down because they know the cops won't put up with their homosexualry.

            Gypsies congregate at rural areas where the police presence is minimal and they make sure they have an absolute numbers advantage. They have guns, where the locals don't and they can pick up their stuff disappear from the area for a few weeks if need be.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The frick? Where are you from? The Marshall Islands?
            No, since the 2007 crisis Spain has had a constant over 30% unemployment.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The source of all knowledge and statistica say that you are lying. In EU greece has by far the largest unemployment rate, and they don't factor in the conscripts doing military time and college/uni students, and it isn't over 20%. There is no way spain has 40% unemployment rate.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            My bad, 30% is the unemployment of men under 25yo.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            My bad, 30% is the unemployment of men under 25yo.

            spain anon is correct

            Statistics lie all the time to make the government look "less" bad. Official Inflation numbers are at around 10% YoY and everyone knows it's bullshit, i'd ballpark it at 40%, depending on what you buy. Food and fuel is almost over 50% yoy and I'm not even getting into other energy prices.

            Also, yes, young population is severely unemployed and the ones who are have ludicruos salaries.

            And lastly, yes, gypsies (depends on the zones) do roam the rural lands, steal and do not have the same sub-zero IQ of feral Black folk, they're quite savvy at what they do.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Can you rephrase your question in English please? I don't speak whatever poor dialect you just typed at me.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        lol you think gypsies stop at stealing things that aren't bolted down

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He obviously not lived near gypsies. Anyone who has knows whats up. That being said, large panels weight a lot and are not as easy to move without a proper truck. That combined with some b***h ass alarm system and a couple of cameras would keep your property fairly safe. Thats how people are doing it in my area that is choke full of the scum.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He obviously not lived near gypsies. Anyone who has knows whats up. That being said, large panels weight a lot and are not as easy to move without a proper truck. That combined with some b***h ass alarm system and a couple of cameras would keep your property fairly safe. Thats how people are doing it in my area that is choke full of the scum.

          are gypsies living gods of stealing shit or something?
          i'm a mutt so i figured nogs are the same, and nogs are pretty easy to deal with unless you live in the hood. most of them are too pussy to steal something bolted down because they know the cops won't put up with their homosexualry.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Gypsies know how to plug themselves on your house or on businesses and fire hydrants to have free water and electricity. They often steal copper from electric substations to resell it. I don't know how they can do all of this, but they live in a culture of theft, more than nogs, because their entire existence depends on it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >they live in a culture of theft, more than nogs, because their entire existence depends on it.
            ngl that sounds kind of based

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THINGS THROUGH FORCE YOU HAVE TO SLAVE AWAY FOR SHEKELSTEIN IN EXCHANGE FOR CONSOOMER POINTS NOOOOOO CAPITALISM IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED

            How to spot the smelly NEETs of this board.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE THINGS THROUGH FORCE YOU HAVE TO SLAVE AWAY FOR SHEKELSTEIN IN EXCHANGE FOR CONSOOMER POINTS NOOOOOO CAPITALISM IS SUPPOSED TO BE BASED

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    *blocks ur path*

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      ¡ES TOTALAS DISASTOROS!

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the FAA owns the airspace above your home, you are STEALING sunlight from the government

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    pv solar is such garbage compared to concentrating solar-thermal powering a boiler and steam turbine.
    if you don't have an array of mirrors creating a literal death beam of sunlight radiation energy are you even a nerd?

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    25 year last
    why spend money on it best way is waiting once solar panels price is around 50 box

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it's insane how many people here are angry at solar energy. not even against but angry.

    I guess it has something to do with american politics, as everything on else IQfy

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      the site has been flooded with alt-right election tourists who refuse to frick off

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it's not alt right to be seething at the habitat destruction large scale solar and wind installs are causing

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I live somewhere without sun during wintertime. Granted I am renter too.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >gypies and Black folk refuse to slave away for israelites and make them richer
    unironically based

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Large up-front capital expense
    Live in a cloudy city
    Doesn't work at night
    Doesn't work when snowed on

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    holy shit that's even more based
    if nogs functioned like that i'd have way more respect for them

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Besides thieving and murdering they also prostitute out their children and sell sub-par tainted drugs, of which they also give to their children when they want them compliant or to shut them up. There is nothing based about gypsies. They are literally subhuman scum. Btw they are working for the "jews". They pay them to do dirty work, to buy votes and to move in to areas in order to decrease the property values.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Btw they are working for the "jews".
        >gypsies destroying capitalism by using capitalism against itself
        With every post you make gypsies sound more and more based. How is this possible?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        is this supposed to turn me off of them? it just keeps sounding better and better

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    how is it free if I have to pay for them?

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    too much waste
    better stored as heated water
    or water reservoir

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's not free in my country.

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    panels and batteries are not

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >literally free waste of cobalt

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    just lift a rock

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What a fricking meme.
      We already have something we can lift upwards using excess electricity that can easily be lowered again without attaching steel cables to winches and heavy motors.
      It's called 'water'.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >store
      >hydrogen
      No

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Solar for backup power is pretty cool. I put together 2 server rack lifepo4 batteries, 10kw total and 2kw solar. Will run a dc fridge, cameras, monitor/router/modem/lights/a few blower fans, and other temporary appliances in an outage indefinitely. Could run a small window ac or small heater for most of the day or night if needed also.

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i have some on my roof. it's a small array, but it was enough to fully cover my mid-day energy use in spring and it offsets my AC through summer so far, not to mention some kind of enviromental bonuses i'm getting from my energy provider for "using less than average two-person household" even though i use way more, but solar substraction gets me below threshold

    good shit

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's not free. Here in Brazil at least you still need to pay a minimum for electricity even if your panels cover everything.

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >solar shits itself after 20 years
    >solar's been around long enough that installers are constantly removing old systems to reinstall new ones
    >recycling solar panels that still have 80% efficiency is so chemically messy and costly that installers have to pay up the arse for someone else to take the panels
    >be anon
    >make frens with installer
    >get all their removed panels
    >connect each up with a $15 pwm charge controller
    >doesn't matter if the panels are all out of balance, nice clean 12v for $15 + a couple brackets
    >dump into used lifepo4 batteries
    >power all lights in house directly off 12v line
    >ws2811 strips everywhere, use onewire to control literally all of them
    >connect 12v line to 2kw pure sine wave inverter
    >batteries hold enough juice to keep all my computers running for a week even in complete darkness
    >wood fire for heating
    >life is good

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    free electricity

    ROI = 2 more weeks

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >ROI = 2 more weeks
      most people getting system installed need 10-15 years minimum

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >most people getting system installed need 10-15 years minimum

        10-15 years plus added maintenance means it will always be 10-15 years from the current date..

        If you install a new system today in 15 years the ROI will still be another 15 years. Every component will be replaced in that time, most panels will be replaced 5 times in 15 years.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          yea seems like a big scam unless cali is paying for it
          for backup it's probably better just to get batteries and have them charge on utility during blackouts but probably a large amount of cost is also on the batteries

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >yea seems like a big scam

            It's a scam if someone is telling you that you will save money. The government subsidies are a joke, too. The people that can afford solar systems do not need subsidies.

            Solar is cool if you want to live off grid or just like tinkering with electronics. It can be a great hobby. You will never save any money, though.

          • 2 years ago
            FURRY =^.^=

            >You will never save any money, though.
            At current market prices, my modestly sized solar system produces roughly six Euros worth of tax- and transfer fee free electricity per day. If I were to buy that electricity, it would cost closer to ten Euros. If this keeps up, it'll turn a profit in considerably less than a decade, lol.

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Literally free electricity while doing sports.
    Why haven't you adopted 1900s bicycle technology?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      could be very useful for regen braking
      basically add a giant 5 Ohms resistor and turns into heat. le maximum efficiency

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >hundreds of years
    >billions of dollars
    >millions of man hours
    >all to bring you the most efficient energy on the planet on demand
    >virtue signaling morons would rather spend MORE money on meme energy and burning wood
    >virtue signaling morons create more emissions than normal people using the grid
    >virtue signaling morons are subsidized by the people they claim to hate so much
    >virtue signaling morons stop paying to use the grid that their taxes already funded
    >virtue signaling morons are literally the reason energy prices are going up because the grid is critical infrastructure and the remaining customers must pay for it
    >virtue signaling morons can't understand why their taxes go up when they don't use energy from the grid anymore

    Why are you so fricking moronic?

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I live in an apartment.
    It's cloudy 70% of the year.
    My electricity bill is around 3% of my earnings

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >3% of your earnings
      where tf do you live? my electricity last month was almost triple that of june 2021. shit is getting to a point where I‘ll soon be spending more that I‘m earning. power, food, heating, rent now eats up almost 90% of my income, where it used to be closer to 50% a few years ago

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        central europe
        blessed coal power

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the virgin solar panel
    >lame house accessory for homosexuals
    >works by sucking up the rays from the sun like a queer little flower
    >forces you to clean bird shit off of it
    >stops working if it's slightly cloudy
    >bought by sois and foids to virtue signal with no real expectation of ROI

    the chad wind turbine
    >towering fiberglass wheel of death
    >works by harvesting the force of god that throws Black folk around like tumbleweeds during a hurricane
    >turns birds into mulch
    >stops working whenever it damn well feels like it
    >built to make moronic women seethe, somehow ends up being useful

  50. 2 years ago
    FURRY =^.^=

    Oh but I have.

    Currently charging at 2,7 kW. Feels good man.

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >earn back $3000 in powering the grid during the day
    >pay for maximum usage at night
    >costs $4000 to install

    gg

  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    unless u live in a place that is very sunny its not worth.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I live where it is very sunny year round but even then dropping $16,000 on panels, batteries, and permits isn't worth it. If Biden could spare a moment between his diddling children and blaming everything on Trump maybe he could make the barrier to entry reasonable.

  53. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because government want to tax me to get off the grid. I would be paying 4 times of the cost of material and instalation.

  54. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If it is so good for the environment and decreases our dependence on coal then why don't government gives us these solar panels for a fraction of their price?
    Surely they can sell it at price or something.
    Talking about rich first world countries obviously who have money.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      solar is subsidized out the ass; for every panel installed hundreds of dollars have been stolen from tax payers to pay for it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So are creditcards. I've got a creditcard and I've got PV which will likely be making money next year with current electricity prices.

        If you are going to pay for it any way, might as well benefit.

  55. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only $20k and you get free electricity for a while!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Don't they have like 20 year age?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >so inefficient it takes 10 year to pay for itself
      >by the time its paid, its already broken

      capitalisms at work

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It is kinda ingenious if you look at it. All the profit right at the start, and after that: transaction over. All other problems are now the owner's. Of course they'll go for this.

  56. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >so inefficient it takes 10 year to pay for itself
    >by the time its paid, its already broken

  57. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it has been cloudy for past month right now and I've seen the sun only on like 3 separate days

  58. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    you don't get solar panels for "free electricity", you do it to become less dependent on the power grid. they're expensive as frick and you're never gonna offset the costs of the purchase + maintenance from the savings you're making.

  59. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Aussie here unless you have a 10kw+ system and good feed in tariff and battery storage it's useless.

  60. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >gypsies steal from their neighbor
    >communists pretend this is a strike against "the man"
    just another example of how it's the man next door with two cows the reds are actually trying to hurt; envy.

  61. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I did the math and without having to replace any (we get hail here every so often) it would have taken me 20 years to pay off. Then I learned about efficiency loss over time and if it failed at the expected rate, it would go up to 25 or more.
    Then I spoke to an older electrician who actually has solar hooked up to a shed and he claimed that it won't be commercially ready for full home power for a long time. Yes, it can be used to power parking lot lights, street signs, billboards, sheds or even off-grid things but if you want guaranteed power, it's not ready without a sizeable investment.
    Oddly, he was all about roof-mounted water heating because it made sense. He also actually convinced me that geothermal is the way to go for heating/cooling. Yes, there is also a nice sized investment but it pays itself off rather quickly and is very reliable.

  62. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    energy is highly fungible, if one type goes up the rest do too

    gonna be funny when the guys who spent a grand on a brand new wood furnace find out what the price of firewood is gonna be this winter

  63. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Simple, Because the amount of energy that comes outta these are shit.

  64. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Got picrel incase of socialist powered power outages and as a laptop powerbank. When the sun is at full blast here my panels get around 120Watts. Whenever there's a slight cloud, it drops to 30Watts. Whenever there's regular clouds I barely get 10Watts.
    The powerstation has it's uses, but those solar panels aren't even going to keep my laptop running unless I move to the sahara.

  65. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They take decades to get your money back and that's if they don't outright fail like most solar panels. You get caught in a loop of buying expensive shit over and over again costing you more than traditional energy. Solar panels are the ultimate midwit bait.

  66. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm in the process. I got about 100v of PV cells I'm rigging up to do device charging
    I got a good deal on a pile of small cells so I gotta wire them up. currently working on a charging circuit. I'm gonna take all the disposable vape batteries I've gathered from vapers at woek and charge those during the day when the sun hits my apt window and then charge my phones and watches at night

    it's a small start but it will give me experience in rolling my own solar and building the circuits to harness the energy and charge batteries. I find some lifepo4 batteries I want to get once I have some experience like a dollar an amp hour at 12 volts, seems like a good deal

  67. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I am thinking of setting up panels without batteries. Our power has different tiers and I am tired of getting ass fricked by tier two power. My understanding is that most of the cost is for the batteries but can't find much for this setup. Do I still need batteries as part of the power conditioning? I will only save money if I produce for 15% of my needs.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I believe you will always need batteries, its too variable. perhaps a capacitor bank could work for your usecase.

  68. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    are you really this fricking moronic? do you even have a full solar home before questioning others?

  69. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Solar panels are nifty, but just automate your power consumption based on current cost instead.

    Automate your water boiler, lighting, car charging, laundry to happen at optimal cost times instead of peak times, and you'll save way more than by buying solar panels.

    Then you can also do step-wise heating of your place based on current cost (if it steps above threshold, reduce temp by -1c, then just have several different thresholds).

    It's easy to do as well.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What if your power company charges a flat rate at all hours?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        then I guess there's no point, but home automation is still a fun little hobby.

  70. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because nuclear is da way

  71. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Solar panels are so communist, it hurts.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They'd be communist if they were government mandated including expectation to give them 70% of your collected energy.
      Wouldn't be surprised to see that happening though.
      If you want to go off grid, but with electricity, it's one of the few choices.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Thermal power has always meant to be a supplement, not the main attraction like these green peace and politicians keep shilling for. Nuclear still is the way to go and is our inevitable future.

  72. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ill do it later, still recovering from mercury poisoning thanks to all the CFL bulbs I installed

  73. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They are expensive and don't break even anywhere that supplies their own oil or coal. Most are made from material mined by child slaves. They never make up for their carbon cost either.

  74. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Taxed to us them, and the power company charges you a penalty if you put "too much" into their grid/use little grid energy. Wasn't the point of this to lower your bills or avoid consuming energy from a utility company? Energy independence/self sustainability is a meme when you get to the bureaucracy aspect because some person or consortium of unelected individuals will allow utility companies to fine you $45 for not using their infrastrucure all month.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      you will own nothing and never disconnect from the system

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I don't even understand why they themselves would want to live in such a world. Once they own everything, and control everything, they'll still be miserable c**ts, only now the entire world is paying for it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Powerhungry psychopaths never think in the long term. Well they do, but in terms of consequences, it doesnt matter to them.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          the thing with communism is that they constantly purge the least leftist commie, he's next to get eaten. lefties call this the "circular firing squad", and wonder why they have such a tendency to fracture into a million parties (M, ML, M-L-M, etc etc)

          which means that the only safe position to have around commies is to be more leftist than the next guy. this creates a holiness spiral, that only ends in the red khmers, or if you're lucky, stalin killing everyone who claims to be a better communist than he was.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Utility companies never replace infrastrucure until it's ready to fail. If your power goes out because you live in an area where the utility poles and cables are as old as your grandma then tough shit. Having customers generating electricity for the grid reduces their costs at your expense if you choose to supply them.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      In capitalism companies have the right to make a profit and the bourgeois state must guarantee this, forcing people to give money to them.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You would be calling it an infrastructure tax if the utility were operated by the state.

        >You have to pay for it because everyone uses it, it's the people's infrastructure!

        And then they would seize your solar panels, say you don't need them and reinstall them near a government office, school, or police station.

        >You spend too much time on the computer, so from now on the power will be shutoff between 6pm and 6am

        Bureauceacy is the problem no matter what economic system is in place.

  75. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >literally free
    This is where I knew that you're a fricking moron.

  76. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking hate utility companies. Literally the definition of a communist governing body. They are literal cartels

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Define communist governing body. Because communists would just hard cap or cut off your energy if it was desired.
      How can you even unironically put communist and liberal in the same sentence.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Socialism is the same as communism.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >or cut off your energy if it was desired.
        Energy companies cut off energy all the time. All the black outs in the past ten years were from companies intentionally cutting the grid off.

  77. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1. I live in an apartment building, so can have it.
    2. Even if I had my own house and land, regulations surrounding installing these, and selling electricity to the gird are breaking the deal. So much for governments supporting green transformation. They are green only when it comes to taxing you for breathing.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >can't have it

  78. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I fricking hate utility companies. Literally the definition of a communist governing body. They are literal cartels

    Too late anon, we already saw

  79. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't give enough Chinese kids cancer to be worth buying yet

  80. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Oy vey won't someone think of the poor Sun.

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