people who know nothing about computer software don't really know there's a big difference between a ps2-looking game made in 2001 with 2001 tools and technologies designed to run well on a pentium 3, and a ps2-looking game on a modern engine with modern tools designed to run well on a computer made in the last 5-10 years
I will admit I don't mind the people unwilling to move to a newer system. I actually admire them, but making demands for windows xp? Just shut the frick up son you chose this path and now you have to walk it stoically like a monk
WinXP is a great OS for the VM. It's relatively lightweight, quick to install, boot and run. Runs with less memory than the shitty newer Windows. And it's well cracked. I run WinXP in a VM for legacy games myself.
>Baby duck syndrome: The tendency of computer users to think the system (software or usage paradigm) they originally started using is better than others.
Some mongoloids on IQfy think this is the reason people don't want to use Windows 11
There are actual literal shills here promoting products so naturally they have to try and gaslight people into thinking they need the latest bullshit for their home use, which will not see 99% of attack vectors anyways. There's gays shilling for muh windows security updates who completely neglect their routers which is way more relevant for a home network than a local computer on the network
1 month ago
Anonymous
just another shill term, move along anon
Artificial glowie meme to bully people into using software with more surveillance
well tbh it does exist. there's nothing wrong with it either though. I'm baby ducked into some specific software setup and I like it that way, I'm not going to pretend it's rational (sometimes it's just little quirks, for example I never used Reddit without Rif. the moment I uninstalled it like 7 years ago I never used Reddit again). but it will still mean that I just won't use software that doesn't fit my baby duck preference.
I know, I know the new update has modern UI and uses best practices in UX research or whatever... but basically I'm just not gonna get the update. I know.. UGH I know.. IM SORRY! It's just that I'm not getting it is all. Hahahaha.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Which says nothing of their IoT devices or cellphone which are an even better vector. But hey, at least windeez 11 is safe right? oh shit wait.... you didn't patch every 5 seconds? Thats' a virus'n
Baby ducks form an attachment bond with whatever animal it first sees after hatching. Hopefully that's its mother but if it's a human, it will see the human as its mother. Or maybe it's a racoon, in which case the duckling's very short life will be of it trying to nestle up against its masked "mother" right before it tears the duckling's head off and eats it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Baby ducks form an attachment bond with whatever animal it first sees after hatching.
We raised ducks from eggs and they imprinted on chickens, even scratching for food like chickens which was hilarious.
Started on 3.x and 7 was indeed peak. Everything before it had regular headaches. I noticed when going to 7 that I didn't even have to do the regular format anymore. It just werked.
We are not laughing at you for not wanting to use Windows 11, moron. We laugh at you because you stick to a twenty year-old deadshitos full of security holes instead of just switching to Linux.
Seriously, this is the most baby duck reply ever. You just assume you either stay on Windows fricking XP or upgrade to Windows 11, because apparently other operating systems do not exist. Holy kek.
Most people b***hing about 11 are 10 users.
They're people who have been conditioned to think 11 is much worse than 10 when 10 is already a miserable piece of shit that shouldn't have been conceived. They even have the gall to praise it these days.
It is an undeniable fact of life that every single time a windows version comes out, some people will stick to the previous one, no matter how bad it is, because having to right click here instead of there is such a gargantuan effort for these wienermunchers, you don't even know.
10 users migrating from 7 who are now acting like 10 was never bad deserve Windows 11 to be forced upon them without a chance to ever switch back.
>baby ducks
it's a term that this one schizophrenic uses constantly, to the point that it's basically avatar posting. the guy himself makes absolutely no sense about anything, and his only response is just to call people baby ducks like it's the biggest comeback ever. he's mentally ill.
I will admit I don't mind the people unwilling to move to a newer system. I actually admire them, but making demands for windows xp? Just shut the frick up son you chose this path and now you have to walk it stoically like a monk
>baby ducks
it's a term that this one schizophrenic uses constantly, to the point that it's basically avatar posting. the guy himself makes absolutely no sense about anything, and his only response is just to call people baby ducks like it's the biggest comeback ever. he's mentally ill.
this is one of the reasons why I just don't bother to pick up any new slang from the internet
Yes, basically this. They mostly do that because they are too poor to buy a new computer and can't cope with modern UI. At the same time they are too proud, tech-illiterate or lazy to do the rufus trick in order to bypass hardware requirements or give linux a try.
Wouldn't surprise me if these people are underage. There's a whole fanbase of children that are into old windows operating systems or anything from the 2000s.
god, that would actually be a blessing >poor pajeets now have access to the internet >still in their shitboxes with winxp >flood game makers and others with requests for winxp support >??? >it works >back to the golden age
pajeets, please redeem yourselves
even my phone is 64bit despite being 8 years old
even my fricking router is 64bit, also 10 years old
how anybody can actually be stuck with a 32bit machine in current year is beyond me (stuck as in incapable of getting a newer machine of some kind and not simply having no desire to)
windows XP actually does support PAE, the 4GB limit is purely a licensing limitation. in fact from sp2 pae is enabled by default so it can use DEP, but it still soft-limits you to 4GB
most windows editions have licensing-based ram and cpu count limits
i'd be surprised if there wasn't some hack available to remove said limit
XP does not support more than 4 GB. He wants Windows Server 2003.
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that said i do realise there's still a 4GB limit per process because it's still a 32bit architecture, and you can't even use all of that since some of the address space is reserved by the os (iirc by default a process can only use 2GB, but there's a kernel switch to bump that up to 3GB)
XP 32-Bit only supports 3GB but you can still load your OS with as many gigabytes your motherboard can handle. It will only use 3GB.
Works on my machine.
Running Windows XP Integral Edition w/ PAE hack that comes in the batch file with it.
windows XP actually does support PAE, the 4GB limit is purely a licensing limitation. in fact from sp2 pae is enabled by default so it can use DEP, but it still soft-limits you to 4GB
most windows editions have licensing-based ram and cpu count limits
i'd be surprised if there wasn't some hack available to remove said limit
that said i do realise there's still a 4GB limit per process because it's still a 32bit architecture, and you can't even use all of that since some of the address space is reserved by the os (iirc by default a process can only use 2GB, but there's a kernel switch to bump that up to 3GB)
I've used to use PAE and had more memory. Stop lying. The only limitation is the 32bit application can't address more than 3.5GB or something around this. But if all your application use less than that it's not a problem.
The guy's got a point, but he's too stupid to properly express it. Games with retro graphics shouldn't require a 1050 ti and a Ryzen 5 to run properly when a game that looks and plays the exact same ran on hardware not even 1% as powerful 20 years ago. The only reason this happens is laziness on the part of the devs who want to use some premade engine which includes a million features they aren't even using.
This same principle applies to software in general as well. If you can make your program capable of running on weaker hardware you should. Too many devs "being forced to drop support" for older OSes because they relied on electron for everything.
Until we know what game this is about there's no way to judge.
People also have no fricking idea how bad games used to look and what limitations there were during the 2000s.
Especially on the backend where it's not about graphics.
>People also have no fricking idea how bad games used to look and what limitations there were during the 2000s. Especially on the backend where it's not about graphics.
Doesn't change the fact that if they're not doing anything different on the front end, there's no reason to change the backend. I'm still mad that ren'py (a visual novel engine) can't run on half of my systems while half-life 2 can.
I'm sure there are such cases.
There certainly are the opposite of those too.
Case in point Rainworld and vampire Survivors.
The former one simulates an ecosystem on the entire map while you're only interacting with a single screen and the latter spawns so many mobs that modern cpus crap out.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Those examples are not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about stuff like ren'py, which has existed for 20 years and isdoing the same thing it did 20 years ago, only with 20x the system requirements and all those retro shooters that have been coming out recently where they're just doom/quake clones.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>ren'py
It's free software, so you can compile it yourself to run on XP if you like to.
Quite possibly you'll run into a few roadblocks and that's the thing, if none of the devs have a machine with the OS why should they have to overcome those instead of you?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>doom/quake clones
And that was JOHN FRICKING CARMACK.
Indies cobbling something together with Unity or Godot won't be able to optimize their slop to run on old OSes.
Also what's the problem, there's more maps for doom and quake maps out there for a lifetime, just play that instead of some clone.
Which is why almost every major new game is a remake or rerelease of games from the 2000's? Hmmmm funny that. Almost like fun games are just fun and the graphics don't fricking matter at all.
Just because something looks like a retro game, does not mean it actually conforms to the unseen limitations that real retro games are forced to comply with.
yea, most of the time they are only intending to make something retro-like, but have no desire to actually use retro tools to make it or adhere to retro limitations
In case you didn't know, it is ALWAYS like that. Baby duckies always whine in their hourly cope threads how they will never updoot and patch deadshitos system to keep it usable but in reality, they just keep begging others to do all the work for them since 99% of them are incapable of getting any work done. >inb4 troony updooter quack qu-ACK
Please give my post a (You). My post is of good quality and getting lots of (You)s it is the ideal outcome for it. Since my post is of good quality, getting lots of (You)s would be the ideal outcome for it.
kinda OT but is there any good reason to update to windows 22 if im on win 10 ltsc iot? i dont *hate* windows 11 but shit like being unable to move and adjust the taskbar freely and the file explorer somehow taking so long to load even on modern hardware turned me off. does w11 introduce any real killer features that make up for its shortcomings?
what
there is no reason why a retro looking game should require windows 10 to run it
Which is why you can run it on a free linux distro with ease
you say windows 10 like it's not nearly 9 years old
notice you said retro looking and not retro
there is no reason a retro looking game has to be programmed like a retro game
people who know nothing about computer software don't really know there's a big difference between a ps2-looking game made in 2001 with 2001 tools and technologies designed to run well on a pentium 3, and a ps2-looking game on a modern engine with modern tools designed to run well on a computer made in the last 5-10 years
pls explain the baby ducks meme
does it mean schizos who refuse to upgrade their OS's because they are afraid of the boogeyman?
I will admit I don't mind the people unwilling to move to a newer system. I actually admire them, but making demands for windows xp? Just shut the frick up son you chose this path and now you have to walk it stoically like a monk
forced meme by morons
WinXP is a great OS for the VM. It's relatively lightweight, quick to install, boot and run. Runs with less memory than the shitty newer Windows. And it's well cracked. I run WinXP in a VM for legacy games myself.
>Baby duck syndrome: The tendency of computer users to think the system (software or usage paradigm) they originally started using is better than others.
Some mongoloids on IQfy think this is the reason people don't want to use Windows 11
holy frick THATS what it means?
man. I need a drink.
why is everyone fricking moronic
There are actual literal shills here promoting products so naturally they have to try and gaslight people into thinking they need the latest bullshit for their home use, which will not see 99% of attack vectors anyways. There's gays shilling for muh windows security updates who completely neglect their routers which is way more relevant for a home network than a local computer on the network
well tbh it does exist. there's nothing wrong with it either though. I'm baby ducked into some specific software setup and I like it that way, I'm not going to pretend it's rational (sometimes it's just little quirks, for example I never used Reddit without Rif. the moment I uninstalled it like 7 years ago I never used Reddit again). but it will still mean that I just won't use software that doesn't fit my baby duck preference.
I know, I know the new update has modern UI and uses best practices in UX research or whatever... but basically I'm just not gonna get the update. I know.. UGH I know.. IM SORRY! It's just that I'm not getting it is all. Hahahaha.
Which says nothing of their IoT devices or cellphone which are an even better vector. But hey, at least windeez 11 is safe right? oh shit wait.... you didn't patch every 5 seconds? Thats' a virus'n
No one using that term likes windows 11. It's just for making fun of people who like windows at all.
I don't get the connection to ducks though. Are ducks particularly known for being judgemental about operating systems, any more than other animals?
obviously, moron
Baby ducks form an attachment bond with whatever animal it first sees after hatching. Hopefully that's its mother but if it's a human, it will see the human as its mother. Or maybe it's a racoon, in which case the duckling's very short life will be of it trying to nestle up against its masked "mother" right before it tears the duckling's head off and eats it.
>Baby ducks form an attachment bond with whatever animal it first sees after hatching.
We raised ducks from eggs and they imprinted on chickens, even scratching for food like chickens which was hilarious.
>started on Windows 95
>think Windows 7 was peak
i started on 3.1 but think 2k is peak
same here oldbro. I still miss it. LTSC kind of gives me a similar feel but it's just not the same and never will be
I started on XP and ArchLinux has been the best from all versions of windows.
Nooooooo you must redeem the W̶i̶n̶d̶o̶w̶s̶ 1̶0 Windows 11!
Started on 3.x and 7 was indeed peak. Everything before it had regular headaches. I noticed when going to 7 that I didn't even have to do the regular format anymore. It just werked.
people don't use 11 because it's shit. at least 10 was somewhat bearable.
We are not laughing at you for not wanting to use Windows 11, moron. We laugh at you because you stick to a twenty year-old deadshitos full of security holes instead of just switching to Linux.
Seriously, this is the most baby duck reply ever. You just assume you either stay on Windows fricking XP or upgrade to Windows 11, because apparently other operating systems do not exist. Holy kek.
Linux is getting worse too. All modern operating systems are unusable.
Most people b***hing about 11 are 10 users.
They're people who have been conditioned to think 11 is much worse than 10 when 10 is already a miserable piece of shit that shouldn't have been conceived. They even have the gall to praise it these days.
It is an undeniable fact of life that every single time a windows version comes out, some people will stick to the previous one, no matter how bad it is, because having to right click here instead of there is such a gargantuan effort for these wienermunchers, you don't even know.
10 users migrating from 7 who are now acting like 10 was never bad deserve Windows 11 to be forced upon them without a chance to ever switch back.
Most moronic post ITT
Artificial glowie meme to bully people into using software with more surveillance
just another shill term, move along anon
>baby ducks
it's a term that this one schizophrenic uses constantly, to the point that it's basically avatar posting. the guy himself makes absolutely no sense about anything, and his only response is just to call people baby ducks like it's the biggest comeback ever. he's mentally ill.
Baby duck skill issues are the worst.
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this is one of the reasons why I just don't bother to pick up any new slang from the internet
forced discord troony meme
many such cases.
Yes, basically this. They mostly do that because they are too poor to buy a new computer and can't cope with modern UI. At the same time they are too proud, tech-illiterate or lazy to do the rufus trick in order to bypass hardware requirements or give linux a try.
>baby duck
That's troony speak. Stop grooming kids troony.
Wouldn't surprise me if these people are underage. There's a whole fanbase of children that are into old windows operating systems or anything from the 2000s.
A classic example of baby ducks on IQfy is those that go apeshit if any programming language has a type declaration syntax that's different to C's
They're right, however. C has everything you'll ever need.
That's what every noob larping as a zen master says
just when things were getting boring
the dark pajeet rises
giving us deserved comments instead of needed comments
we did this
we did this when we allowed people to post text on the internet.
this was always going to happen, and it's only just beginning
god, that would actually be a blessing
>poor pajeets now have access to the internet
>still in their shitboxes with winxp
>flood game makers and others with requests for winxp support
>???
>it works
>back to the golden age
pajeets, please redeem yourselves
Why 32-bit specifically though? He's not even being reasonable
He can’t afford a new computer on his only source of income, disability payments for his autism.
Who the hell is still on a 32-bit system?
It's so strange. I've had 64-bit cpu since 2004 and os since 2005. I bet this pajeet wasn't even born then.
same, the last time i even used a 32bit machine for anything was 10 years ago now
even my phone is 64bit despite being 8 years old
even my fricking router is 64bit, also 10 years old
how anybody can actually be stuck with a 32bit machine in current year is beyond me (stuck as in incapable of getting a newer machine of some kind and not simply having no desire to)
I'm embarrassed to say I know this guy from Discord
lol, lmao even
>p-wease support my deadshitos. I NEED A STIMULATION!!!I NEED TO SHOW EVIL UPDOOTERS THAT WE ARE STILL VALID!!! I WILL NEVER UPDOO-ACK!
What's the problem? Do these old and simple games really need more than 4GB of RAM? Is there any actual reason that -march=386 wouldn't work??
>Is there any actual reason that -march=386 wouldn't work??
Yes, Win XP wouldn't run on i386
They are made in Unity and Unity itself doesnt work in Xp 32 bits
https://www.reddit.com/user/RaulKong898/
What a moron.
XP does not support more than 4 GB. He wants Windows Server 2003.
windows XP actually does support PAE, the 4GB limit is purely a licensing limitation. in fact from sp2 pae is enabled by default so it can use DEP, but it still soft-limits you to 4GB
most windows editions have licensing-based ram and cpu count limits
i'd be surprised if there wasn't some hack available to remove said limit
Works on my machine.
Running Windows XP Integral Edition w/ PAE hack that comes in the batch file with it.
SOVL
that said i do realise there's still a 4GB limit per process because it's still a 32bit architecture, and you can't even use all of that since some of the address space is reserved by the os (iirc by default a process can only use 2GB, but there's a kernel switch to bump that up to 3GB)
I've used to use PAE and had more memory. Stop lying. The only limitation is the 32bit application can't address more than 3.5GB or something around this. But if all your application use less than that it's not a problem.
It's a shame we never got anything cool out of the XP source code
XP 32-Bit only supports 3GB but you can still load your OS with as many gigabytes your motherboard can handle. It will only use 3GB.
Just get some Linux distro and add an XP themed DE
He's right you know.
>baby ducks
is this some groomer catchphrase?
The guy's got a point, but he's too stupid to properly express it. Games with retro graphics shouldn't require a 1050 ti and a Ryzen 5 to run properly when a game that looks and plays the exact same ran on hardware not even 1% as powerful 20 years ago. The only reason this happens is laziness on the part of the devs who want to use some premade engine which includes a million features they aren't even using.
This same principle applies to software in general as well. If you can make your program capable of running on weaker hardware you should. Too many devs "being forced to drop support" for older OSes because they relied on electron for everything.
Until we know what game this is about there's no way to judge.
People also have no fricking idea how bad games used to look and what limitations there were during the 2000s.
Especially on the backend where it's not about graphics.
>People also have no fricking idea how bad games used to look and what limitations there were during the 2000s. Especially on the backend where it's not about graphics.
Doesn't change the fact that if they're not doing anything different on the front end, there's no reason to change the backend. I'm still mad that ren'py (a visual novel engine) can't run on half of my systems while half-life 2 can.
I'm sure there are such cases.
There certainly are the opposite of those too.
Case in point Rainworld and vampire Survivors.
The former one simulates an ecosystem on the entire map while you're only interacting with a single screen and the latter spawns so many mobs that modern cpus crap out.
Those examples are not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about stuff like ren'py, which has existed for 20 years and isdoing the same thing it did 20 years ago, only with 20x the system requirements and all those retro shooters that have been coming out recently where they're just doom/quake clones.
>ren'py
It's free software, so you can compile it yourself to run on XP if you like to.
Quite possibly you'll run into a few roadblocks and that's the thing, if none of the devs have a machine with the OS why should they have to overcome those instead of you?
>doom/quake clones
And that was JOHN FRICKING CARMACK.
Indies cobbling something together with Unity or Godot won't be able to optimize their slop to run on old OSes.
Also what's the problem, there's more maps for doom and quake maps out there for a lifetime, just play that instead of some clone.
Which is why almost every major new game is a remake or rerelease of games from the 2000's? Hmmmm funny that. Almost like fun games are just fun and the graphics don't fricking matter at all.
Just because something looks like a retro game, does not mean it actually conforms to the unseen limitations that real retro games are forced to comply with.
yea, most of the time they are only intending to make something retro-like, but have no desire to actually use retro tools to make it or adhere to retro limitations
Looking at this thread reminds me of how many homosexuals that no life this board have no background in tech let alone ability to operate tech
Elaborate.
In case you didn't know, it is ALWAYS like that. Baby duckies always whine in their hourly cope threads how they will never updoot and patch deadshitos system to keep it usable but in reality, they just keep begging others to do all the work for them since 99% of them are incapable of getting any work done.
>inb4 troony updooter quack qu-ACK
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@99997653
No
Zoomers and their obsession with windows xp and other old garbage they've never used is beyond moronic.
I am 24yo zoom zoom and XP was my first OS ever. Regardless, I am on 11 currently and I dab on all the XPedos doing hourly cope threads.
kinda OT but is there any good reason to update to windows 22 if im on win 10 ltsc iot? i dont *hate* windows 11 but shit like being unable to move and adjust the taskbar freely and the file explorer somehow taking so long to load even on modern hardware turned me off. does w11 introduce any real killer features that make up for its shortcomings?