>Look up the Noble families in the Russian Empire for my personal project
>Poles, Germans, French and other nationalities are more represented than Russians
>Fricking Georgians are more represented than Russian by absolute number of families
How the frick do Russians have nostalgia for an empire where they were underrepresented among the rulling class?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Russian_noble_families
I noticed the same thing with turks too, where 90%+ of the ottoman administrative, rulling and military elite were either from the Balkans or the Caucasus yet they kang around as if they were bossing around the natives of those areas
There's even rumors that Ataturk himself was actually an Albanian, so even modern Turkey was created by a non-Turk.
wowzers! 90%!
that chart greatly overrepresents the Turkish numbers. The methodology was basically this
>Born in Anatolia with no mention of parents ethnicity?
>Turkish
>Born in the Balkans with no mention of parents ethnicity?
>Turkish
It is assuming turkish ethnicity for all who were born in anatolia while not doing the same for the balkan region. In fact its the same kind of cope modern turks do where somehow every person from turkish history who was born in the balkans is Yoruk turk and totally not a balkan native
>noooooooo!!!!!!!!! WE WUZ KANGZ
frick off stepanovic
>No counter-argument
reminder that calling an Ottoman aristocrat a "t*rk" was an insult that could result in execution
according to that chart, a muslim albanian was about 20x more likely to become a grand vizier than a turk
So even by your own admission, the majority of Ottoman grand viziers were non-Turkish. Sad!
>In contrast, the term "Turk" (Türk) was used to refer to the Anatolian peasant and tribal population and was seen as a disparaging term when applied to urban, educated individuals.[28]:26[29] In the early modern period, an educated, urban-dwelling Turkish-speaker who was not a member of the military-administrative class typically referred to themselves neither as an Osmanlı nor as a Türk, but rather as a Rūmī (رومى), or "Roman", meaning an inhabitant of the territory of the former Byzantine Empire in the Balkans and Anatolia.
this
Ottomans were of Germanic origin as name suggest OTTO MAN
>Ottoman royal family is more white than majority of IQfy users
>what balkan pussy do to a dynasty
>be ottoman sultan
>after a long day of imperial administration you decide to take a bath
>see this
Wat dou?
cause dynastic crisis of succession of course
How did Muslim scholars back in the day justify this?
Everyone knows that whites are the best, so what was to acknowledge outside of the obvious?
>In Anatolia in the late Middle Ages, the term "Turkmen" was gradually supplanted by the term "Ottomans".[37] The Ottoman ruling class identified themselves as Ottomans until the 19th century.[38] In the late 19th century, as the Ottomans adopted European ideas of nationalism, they preferred to return to a more common term Turk instead of Turkmen, whereas previously Turk was used to exclusively refer to Anatolian Turkmen peasants.[39]
falsifying history twice and still getting btfo'd
>t. Balkanoid rat
> " The turk savages were brutal warlords!"
>" They did nothing but rob our lands of wealthy and people! That is why we are poor shithole today, before turks Illyria was israeliteel of Europe, bro! I hate turks! Remove kebab bro!
ALSO TRUE IN THE BALKANOID SKULL
>Actually the Ottoman Empire was ruled by a caste of high iq balkaners
>that's right, the Turkish empire was really an Albanian or Serbian empire bro, turks were just janitors or someshit
Yes, the balkanoid moron genuinely believes the Ottoman Empire wad ruled by self hating Serbs and Albanians lmao
also dont forget that 99.999999% of all turks are ackshually balkaners as well
Surprising amount of Scottish descended families there
Russia is not blood or soil. It's a state of mind.
hush noviop, rootless pig-dog.
Based and interesting
I'm looking forward to the Caucasian and Central Asian masters starting to slaughter russians in broad daylight, maybe this will teach them not to be a rootless prostitute.
although in fact I think that nothing will fix them, except for the tombstone of course.
Sovl
>How the frick do Russians have nostalgia for an empire
they have more nostalgia for the USSR. the Russian empire lost a world war, the USSR didn't (it lost a worldwide economic/proxy war instead lol)
the same could be said for the USSR though, Lenin was some Uralic mutt, Stalin Georgian, Khrushev Ukro, Brezhnev and andropov were ukros too I think and I think Gorbachev was the only relevant Russian leader there
while true that doesn't change what i said
The ruling class was actively distancing themselves from Russians, like spoke French instead
Russians haven't ruled Russia for 800 years, 1200 if you count the Ruotsi (Rus') vikings. Their entire national identity is founded on a millennium of being Quislings for foreign oppression; that sort of mindbreaks a people.
the so-called ethnic “Russians” have always been amorphous cattle suitable only for hard physical labor in serfdom.
This is a people completely devoid of any honor or self-esteem, a people victim, a people pidoras.
they are ironically the most hardworking and most loyal supporters of ''russian'' empires tho
which is double ironic as even now putin is trying to replace them with muslims and churkas who would slit his throat and are generally both drain on economy and terrible in combat
If you rule competently, then no one will care if you are a foreigner. Else your foreign status becomes a bane.
Many countries have invited foreigners to rule over them before.
Russia being one of them
This but also people were much more willing to be ruled by foreigners then. While forms of nationalism existed, it wasn’t the end-all-be-all. Religion and personal allegiances were more important. Most of these nobles were related to whoever was the native dynasty anyway; that’s how they made such claims to whatever lands or thrones.
For Europe, nationalism only really became the buzzword that it is today in the 19th century iirc.
I might be a historylet but it blew my mind a little when I realized how many German generals there were in the Imperial Russian army during WW1. Only then were people starting to have a problem with them.
Because Russians owned the Germanic Baltic states+the various German populations spread throughout Poland/Ukraine. Combined with German reputation for martial prowess, not a surprise so many were integrated with the Russian army. Hence, you end up with kino officers like Roman Von Ungern-Sternberg.
Because nobles from captured lands would keep their titles so they could stick around and remain happy, while the Russian bureaucracy did its thing with mass administration. Georgian nobles in Georgia, Poles nobles being druk and dramatic in Partitioned Poland, Frenchies popping up because Russians were Francophiles, Baltic Germs etc.
Russians are incapable of self-governance, history has shown this time and time again and this far precedes the Russian empire.
>be bunch of ooga booga tribes chimping out
>Varangian Rurik dynasty restores order, everything is fine for a while
>Russians ape out again during the Time of Troubles
>Prussian Romanov dynasty comes to restore order, everything is fine again
>Russians ape out again with the Revolution
>Stalin, a Georgian, restores order for a while
And the cycle will probably keep repeating far into the future.
It's kind of weird, Putin is the first Ethnic Russian leader (they came from Tver) in...... ever?
>moron is only learning now that european monarchs are a hodgepodge of inbred germans
This board fricking sucks
Russia is a Germanic state which ruled over local Slavs. It was never "Russian" in the sense of having Slavic Russians in charge. It's foundations were Germanic and so was all the cities and rulers.
Poland is the only true Slavic kingdom. And even that was closely tied to the HRE at its foundations.
, Germans, French and other nationalities are more represented than Russians
This is actually why I like the pre 1900s Russification Autism phase of the Russian Empire. Finland had a great deal, even some Irish exiles got to be Baltic Nobles
>How the frick do Russians have nostalgia for an empire where they were underrepresented among the rulling class?
One of the underlying tensions that caused Russian communism IMHO