MATE to be abandonware soon

>https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-mate-24-04/
The development of the MATE desktop environment has come to a halt in the past year, and distro maintainers from not only Linux Mint but other distros that offer MATE are worried that it is not going to be around for much longer.

MATE's chief maintainer and flagship distro, Ubuntu MATE, has removed several features from it's latest 24.04 LTS release such as the software boutique, the welcome app, and are using a version of MATE that is nearing a year old (1.26). The maintainer for Ubuntu MATE has been focusing more on NixOS development than working on the desktop or the ubuntu spin. Linux Mint maintainers have also claimed there has been some friction between them and the MATE development team, and that MATE is now considered to be on life-support.

Where will you be when GNOME 2 finally breathes it's last breath?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was inevitable, at least we had a good 10+ years run

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is a likely outcome for not only MATE but every other GTK based desktop environment other than GNOME. GNOME's hard push for GTK4 and libadwaita integration has been destroying compatibility of newer applications on these alternative GTK based desktops. Linux Mint's team has even put forward that they will be maintaining previous GTK3 versions of popular applications that have moved onto libadwaita, simply because of the restrictions put in place by GNOME.
    >https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4675

    This is a bandaid solution for now, but I dont believe Mint has the development power to maintain GTK3 on their own. The future of GTK based desktops are to either integrate with GNOME entirely, or rebase onto Qt, like LXDE did. GNOME is single handedly destroying 25 years worth of desktop development

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Mint lads also have Cinnamon to support, don't they? And Cinnamon is GTK-based, so even if they don't want to move to GTK4 they'll have to continue supporting GTK3. Maybe make a fork based on it that moves away from GNOME's bullshit?

      I fricking hate Qt, please don't let that become the new standard.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        forking and maintaining GTK is not easy.
        Mostly because GTK is shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They should have forked GTK2 when they had the chance so they didnt. GTK desktops are cucked. Your alternative is just Enlightenment since you dont like Qt.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Mint lads also have Cinnamon to support, don't they? And Cinnamon is GTK-based, so even if they don't want to move to GTK4 they'll have to continue supporting GTK3. Maybe make a fork based on it that moves away from GNOME's bullshit?

      I fricking hate Qt, please don't let that become the new standard.

      >fork/maintain GTK3
      They can just port their stack to GTK4 when they feel like it without using Libadwaita. The reason Mint devs want to fork more GNOME apps is because they have adopted Libadwaita and no longer can be themed with ease like other GTK apps.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      are you seriously telling me that a soiboy famous for "what is the use case of Gnome" is also destroying half of Linux DEs? What even is the use case of his life?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What even is the use case of his life?
        force the linux ecosystem into a corporate duopoly of KDE and GNOME. Independent, hobby-based desktop environments shall not survive (long term plans are for hobby applications to die off too).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >duopoly
          You forgot about Cosmic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hope COSMIC gets ported to other distros quickly. It makes footgays seethe, so I will be supporting it even if it turns out to be a meme like Budgie.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This could help smaller DEs long term if they align themselves under it. Mint's Xapps project could be ported over if iced enables enough theming support. Should be better than maintaining GTK3 forever.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ummm sweaty sway works just fine

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Independent, hobby-based desktop
          KDE is independent

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GNOME poeple had audacity to call out system76 for not contributing to the ""upstream"" while they eat away and lock down their GTK ecosystem like how systemd locked and ate down shitton of userspace and init-time utilitites. both are heavily associated with redhad and RHs intetntins seem preety clear. they sabotage important linux roject by either buying people in influential projects off or by putting RH puppets in decision making roles.
      Red Hat found a pretty cool workaround for GPL. make the code open source but make sure thats its fricking pain in the ass for anyone else but their own ecosystem to use or port. they currently have total control over linux. its already too late.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Red Hat found a pretty cool workaround for GPL. make the code open source but make sure thats its fricking pain in the ass for anyone else but their own ecosystem to use or port. they currently have total control
        This is nothing new and is not exclusive to GPL or Red Hat. See also:
        >Microsoft's OOXML
        >Google's (WHATWG) Web browser APIs
        Having your own people set "open" standards while everyone else eternally and desperately plays catch up is a time-tested strategy at this point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >GNOME's hard push for GTK4 and libadwaita integration has been destroying compatibility of newer applications on these alternative GTK based desktops.
      Blame upstream projects for giving into the bullying. None of this would be a problem if they only targeted mature Ubuntu/RHEL builds and told ebussy and Arch updooters to frick off. https://stopthemingmy.app

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >https://stopthemingmy.app
        Thanks, adding to my no-hire list https://github.com/do-not-theme/do-not-theme.github.io/graphs/contributors

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >baaahhh please use our toolkit
          >waaaahh please don't make us use your toolkit
          what a bunch of whiny homosexuals

    • 3 weeks ago
      EclipseAnon2024

      lmao, this is absolute bullshit nonsense.
      GTK4 is completely separate from libadwaita and you can use it just fine to build apps that don't follow the Gnome design guidelines.
      Heck the only reason libadwaita was created was to not let the gnome design guidelines affect GTK4 and let GTK4 be a desktop agnostic GUI library that is not tied to the gnome design guidelines.
      if you are not making a gnome application. don't use libadwaita. libadwaita was made specifically to ease the building of Gnome applications. it builds on top of GTK4 and doesn't affect GTK4 whatsoever. it just uses GTK4 to build more widgets and patterns to fit the gnome UX/UI guidelines.
      GTK4 by itself literally looks the same as GTK3 with very small API changes which makes working with it less of a pain. it also makes it easier to make custom widgets.
      if you are not gnome. literally just don't use adwaita and use GTK4 and stop sperging out.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No.

        • 3 weeks ago
          EclipseAnon2024

          saying no means nothing
          mention one way in which libadwaita affects GTK4

      • 3 weeks ago
        EclipseAnon2024

        and btw, kde has the same shit. it's called kirigami and it's built on top of qtquick

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Heck the only reason libadwaita was created
        its a fork of libhandy which was made by the Librem devs (I think) . Imagine that the only thing worth shit about gtk4 is made by someone other than gnome they just took it, forked it and slapped a name on it. Then they went and fricked up scrolling for gtk4 wonder when they will fix that or the blurry fonts.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the blurry fonts.
          pangogays hate you and want you to suffer with blurry fonts so they killed bitmap font support everywhere they could

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hate them too. I want my crispy Tahoma, goddammit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        gtk4 has thick black borders on all the menu thingies that gnome wont fix
        its also feels slower and sometimes has blurry text
        that all i know

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This sucks for people who still want to LARP as using GNOME 2 even in a GTK 3 world where it doesn't look right but it's hard to see this overall as a majorly bad thing for Linux. MATE focused too much on preserving GNOME 2 as it was, Cinnamon started from GNOME 2 and continuously improved it, and way more people use Cinnamon compared to MATE compared to in the past. Also MATE has the highest end-to-end input latency by like a factor of 5. Out with a wimper.

      Don't underestimate the Mint team's ability to maintain shit on their own. They've been adopting projects faster than KDE and are doing completely fine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >people who still want to LARP as using GNOME 2 even in a GTK 3 world where it doesn't look right
        I think MATE looks like a decent operating system. Pretty much all other DEs look like nu-design cancer soiware. I don't care about the underlying technologies as long as they work (so shit like Wayland is out of the question obviously). If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
        If they just made modern DEs soulful looking and lightweight, this wouldn't be such a pressing issue.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't mean design sensibilities as much as what it was supposed to look like vs what it looks like now. When distros started yoinking GTK 2 from their repos, Cinnamon was the only GNOME fork to put in the effort to keep their appearance consistent. MATE and Xfce now look weird and inconsistent like Windows even if you do your best to theme them, but it wasn't always so.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not extremely familiar with the way these GTK things work, but I don't find inconsistencies in Mate to be an issue. When I tried xfce, the inconsistencies felt much worse. Anyway, I'll take some windows looking funny over all the windows looking like some cheap ipad/windows 11 mix.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ironically, if you want to preserve a consistent GTK2 looking interface the best way to go is to use qt5 programs with QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't use it but it was really good, what a shame.

      Why doesn't Mint switch to Qt6?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I already switched from LXDE to LXQt because of GTK3. GTK3 apps look like shit on Xorg because they intentionally cap the frame rate at 60fps even on faster monitors. I'd rather use Qt than Wayland.

    • 3 weeks ago
      I think .17hmr is really cool

      Okay. So all the other DEs that all use GTK need to hand together to save GTK from the GNOME team. I said years ago that GNOME was going to frick everything up for everybody else since they own GTK and the GNOME guys are all buttholes.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >MATE is now considered to be on life-support
    >not only Linux Mint but other distros that offer MATE are worried that it is not going to be around for much longer
    This is nothing but unfunded GNUMALE FUD.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    great, now i have to also use linux abandonware
    hopefully it will be easier than windows 7

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm concerned. I don't use the Mate desktop itself, I use XFCE. But I do use some of the Mate apps, like the search tool, the calculator, the image viewer, the pdf reader, and the archiver tool... It'd suck if those disappear.

    But that said, the search tool is kind of shit, I could make my own search tool in Tcl/Tk that would probably be better.
    As for the calculator, I can just use a terminal window with tclsh running and use 'expr' to do calculations, and for pdfs, I can use the KDE pdf reader instead, it's pretty good.. The image viewer is the maybe the main thing I would miss..

    Oh yeah... the archiver tool, engrampa..... I would miss that..

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is xfce standing strong? If they kill the rat it's fricking over...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes, they're even working on Wayland support which is a good indicator that Xue will STAY STAY STAY

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MATE 1.28 just released though? It was like last month.

      yes, they're even working on Wayland support which is a good indicator that Xue will STAY STAY STAY

      MATE already has a Wayland session, so if MATE is dead, Xfce is even more dead.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mate doesn't support Wayland yet

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-wayland-session

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not in stable yet

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As opposed to xfeces wayland implementation not even being in testing, frickface. I know this is the rat fanatic from yesterday, keep bashing MATE, you are only digging your own grave.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    stop reading itsFOSS?
    Yes mate is still in development.
    all components are now wayland compatible and are working on moving build systems to meson too
    https://wiki.mate-desktop.org/developers-corner/wayland-meson/
    They haven't made a blog post in 2 years which is bad but its not dead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      good post. stops people waisting time on bait thread.
      very good desktop btw. mate alts are better than gnome in cases as well.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Tcl/Tk Master

    Would anyone be interested in helping build a totally new desktop environment in Tcl/Tk?
    We'd make the basic set of utilities needed:

    - Panels, window manager, etc
    - file manager
    - text editor
    - archive browser and extractor
    - image viewer
    - calculator
    - MS Paint clone
    - etc.

    All written in pure Tcl. Well, we might need C extensions to write a window manager in Tcl. But otherwise pure Tcl.
    Is anyone up for it?

    I've already got one useful utility prepared, a file system space usage analysis tool. It's a bit like "baobab" from gnome except faster and it doesn't drag in 5 gigabytes of shitty dependencies and "libadwaita"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This looks hideous bro
      Where's the STYLE

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's the usecase for so called "style"?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        id rather use half baked shit that looks like this instead of gnome "adwaita" bullshit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        hideous? it looks functional. If you were in charge you put makeup all over it and bloat it to Hell.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it looks functional.
          No one with a DE that looks like that is doing any useful work with it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > fricking burger menu and fat buttons on 90s UI with no style
      It's like you took the worst parts of gnome and 90s UI.
      Honestly at this point I would say why don't you fork the serenity UI toolkit and spin it off from there?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you are to resort to tcl might as well contribute to GNUstep

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        god i love windowmaker and GNUstep

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >GNUstep
        >go to their site
        >"Attractive applications"
        >this
        lol
        lmao, even

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hey I never said it's in anyway shiny, I told

          Would anyone be interested in helping build a totally new desktop environment in Tcl/Tk?
          We'd make the basic set of utilities needed:

          - Panels, window manager, etc
          - file manager
          - text editor
          - archive browser and extractor
          - image viewer
          - calculator
          - MS Paint clone
          - etc.

          All written in pure Tcl. Well, we might need C extensions to write a window manager in Tcl. But otherwise pure Tcl.
          Is anyone up for it?

          I've already got one useful utility prepared, a file system space usage analysis tool. It's a bit like "baobab" from gnome except faster and it doesn't drag in 5 gigabytes of shitty dependencies and "libadwaita"

          ObjC is a step up from tcl and it had like half of those utilities done

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          unfortunately all gnustep dev activity died in 2014 after apple announced swift

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They should just work with Cinnamon's XApp project to port all Mate utilities worth saving like Engrampa or Pluma then move on. Caja is going to be a bit of a sentimental loss but now Thunar supports split views so i guess that also could be folded. Albeit honestly, ideally they would just ditch Nemo and use Caja instead. Caja is a lot snappier.

      This looks like a cobbled together clone of this
      https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wrote a filepicker in tkinter (wrapper around tcl/tk) and it has some performance and style shortcomings because of that. Not sure I'd trust it with a DE.
      What we really need is more rust/iced development. GTK can be deprecated now that its language is deprecated.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >now that its language is deprecated.
        What?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          C is deprecated, and with it, GTK

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >C is deprecated

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        make a usable fast frontend for tmsu when u save a file and u won't need a file picker

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      god I hate Tcl. Props to you for actually building something with it though. It looks good btw

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tcl/Tk
      That's even worse than GTK. There is no way I'm touching that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it very ugly though.
      can opengl drawn stuff on screen?
      do all cpus and gpus support opengl?
      why is there no simple opengl based stuff out there?
      i do not know much about these things.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm Interested. Where do I sign up?
      There are already xlib bindings in Tcl. Writing a Window manager should be easy.

      GNOME poeple had audacity to call out system76 for not contributing to the ""upstream"" while they eat away and lock down their GTK ecosystem like how systemd locked and ate down shitton of userspace and init-time utilitites. both are heavily associated with redhad and RHs intetntins seem preety clear. they sabotage important linux roject by either buying people in influential projects off or by putting RH puppets in decision making roles.
      Red Hat found a pretty cool workaround for GPL. make the code open source but make sure thats its fricking pain in the ass for anyone else but their own ecosystem to use or port. they currently have total control over linux. its already too late.

      This!

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of MATE when it's just xfce but worse?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MATE has way better apps than Xfce, which is why even Xubuntu uses some of them.

      They should just work with Cinnamon's XApp project to port all Mate utilities worth saving like Engrampa or Pluma then move on. Caja is going to be a bit of a sentimental loss but now Thunar supports split views so i guess that also could be folded. Albeit honestly, ideally they would just ditch Nemo and use Caja instead. Caja is a lot snappier.

      This looks like a cobbled together clone of this
      https://github.com/NsCDE/NsCDE

      Thunar is trash compared to Caja or any other file manager really.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder what the Serenity OS Main Dev is going to use once this is gone.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh god please no, this is literally the only Linux DE that I actually like 🙁

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP is bullshitting everyone. MATE's latest release was 2 months ago (https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/releases), and the devs have been focusing on supporting Wayland.
      OP, probably Ebussy himself, claims MATE is dead because the main maintainer of the MATE flavor of Ubuntu likes NixOS more and isn't paying enough attention to Ubuntu MATE. That's all.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >devs have been focusing on supporting Wayland.
        That's even worse than letting it die.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Like it or not, Wayland is the future.
          At least there is near constant improvement.
          I remember how shit the first releases were.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Wayland is the future
            Even so, I'm still using X11.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, so am I for now, at least at home.
            I don't game at work, so Wayland is fine there.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >At least there is near constant improvement.
            Oh yeah so they reinvented something that's worse than what they had, and it still is, but it's better because it is improving. This is some discord furry hugbox tier logic here.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you completely unfamiliar with software development? It's always been like this.
            Damn near everything is shit and worse than what's it's "replacing" for a while.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and the devs have been focusing on supporting Wayland.
        OH NO NO NO AHAHAHAHA

        OP is right after all, it's over.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm honestly shocked it even lasted as long as it did. I saw MATE as more of a stopgap DE for people who knew GNOME 3.x was a trainwreck but didn't want to switch to Xfce.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm honestly surprised how long it lasted, considering how much of a trainwreck gtk is. I would be very sad if mate gets discontinued, it's one of the only DE's that can make my shitty dell 330 still feel smooth.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have a Dell studio 1737 c2d 6600, 4 GB ddr2 RAM that runs quick and handles a dozen firefox tabs (as long as only 2 are youtube, but who uses browser yt when freetube blah blah blah...)
      With
      >bodhi Linux
      I have 6. there are newer versions. Memory idles around 330MB

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MATE was never good. Unstable piece of shit. Once they ported to GTK3, it was over.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Linux Mint maintainers have also claimed there has been some friction between them and the MATE development team, and that MATE is now considered to be on life-support
    Good. Maybe the Mint devs will replace the MATE edition with something good like KDE

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I swear every time Linux Mint is mentioned there's at least one homosexual begging them to drop everything they've done in the past decade and become another generic KDE distro that nobody would use.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >begging them to drop everything they've done in the past decade
        You call having a MATE edition "Everything the Mint devs have done in the past decade"? I'd understand if we were talking about Cinnamon but MATE?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Clem and other LM developers were involved in MATE's development until very recently.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    mate is not gnome 2. it's just another gtk3.x abomination.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >One less GTK shit desktop
    Good, next should be Cinnamon or XFCE

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gnome2 made sense when your display was 4 by 3 or 5 by 4
    gnome2 makes 0 sense when ur display is 16 by 9 etc

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what are you basing this on? you can kill the second bar and move the window list and such to the first one if wasted height is your concern. I did that back with actual GNOME 2 on Ubuntu

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    finally some finished software

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Qt won.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > The maintainer for Ubuntu MATE has been focusing more on NixOS development than working on the desktop or the ubuntu spin

    Imagine abandon best DE and best distro (Ubuntu) in favor of some meme distro for troon sisters. I just can handle it any longer, linux is so dead.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Where will you be when GNOME 2 finally breathes it's last breath?
    If Gnome 2 has a million fans I am one of them
    If Gnome 2 has ten fans I am one of them
    If Gnome 2 has one fan that one is me
    If Gnome 2 has no fans then I am no longer alive
    If the entire world is against Gnome 2 then I am against the world

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've used LXQt for 10 years and I'm still a GNOME 2 fan. I just don't see the point in MATE if the underlying graphic framework is a horrible, bloated mess. Kindly compare your memory and CPU footprint on these 3 platforms:
      - any distro running current MATE
      - Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with GNOME 2
      - Fedora 14 with GNOME 2
      - FreeBSD 8.0 with GNOME 2

      You'll see what I mean. Sadly this enshittification is the fate of all DEs, not just MATE.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mate scored lower memory usage than XFCE in some recent bench, the issue is the whole system becoming more bloated

        ie: Ubuntu 8.04 had a cool boot progress bar that showed real progress, it was later replaced by a more bloated thing that only showed moving dots with some stupid excuse

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GNOME chads cant stop winning

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >using a version of MATE that is nearing a year old
    No, mom, you don't understand - I NEED my UPDOOTS

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TCL or Obj-C sound better than GTK's horrible use of Glib/GObject.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://github.com/iverg/TclObjC

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it really that difficult?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They took this from you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do you mean. You can still install it. Duh.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They literally had the most polished KDE4 experience of all distros, why did they drop it again?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        According to themselves, it was difficult to integrate their homemade GTK tools and apps in KDE/Qt:
        https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3418
        >KDE is a fantastic environment but it’s also a different world, one which evolves away from us and away from everything we focus on. Their apps, their ecosystem and the QT toolkit which is central there have very little in common with what we’re working on.

        >We’re not just shipping releases and distributing upstream software. We’re a product distribution and we see ourselves as a complete desktop operating system. We like to integrate solutions, develop what’s missing, adapt what’s not fitting perfectly, and we do a great deal of that not only around our own Cinnamon desktop environment but also thanks to cross-DE frameworks we put in place to support similar environments, such as MATE and Xfce.

        >When we work on tools like Xed, Blueberry, Mintlocale, the Slick Greeter, we’re developing features which benefit these 3 desktops, but unfortunately not KDE.

        >Our own mission isn’t to diversify as much as possible in an effort to attract a bigger chunk of the Linux market, and it’s with a bit of sadness that we’re letting this edition go. We focus on things we do well and we love doing to get better and better at doing them. KDE is amazing but it’s not what we want to focus on.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is all fricking moronic and I'm glad I left those mongoloids, everything they talk about is better accomplished with Qt/KDE, look at them now getting pegged by ebussy and co, on the other hand LXQt is doing great

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >LXQt is doing great
            lol, lmao. LXQt is proof that DEs based on Qt other than KDE can't work.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Third desktop to get Wayland

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did they drop the leaf shaped logo for just a circle?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The average 20s tech user craps their pants when forced to see aggressive shapes
        Circles are inoffensive, nonjudgemental, safe, motherly.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The average 20s tech user craps their pants when forced to see aggressive shapes
        Circles are inoffensive, nonjudgemental, safe, motherly.

        frick circles.
        My desktop has no rounded corners and I use
        * {
        border-radius: 0px !important;
        -webkit-border-radius: 0px !important;
        border-top-left-radius: 0px !important;
        }
        in my Firefox userContent.css.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's Gnome Flashback

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The last update was a month ago.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I used MATE for a while after GNOME 2 died, but the persistent problems with screen tearing drove me away. I suppose their inability to fix this for so long caused a bit of an exodus.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is what awaits all GTK shitty desktops, KDE3.5 is still going strong after 20 years lol

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good, it might be somewhat sad but we need less fragmentation, wish the XFCE, Mate and Cinamon teams would join forces... LxQt can keep doing their own thing.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literally one look at their GitHub should make you immediately realize that MATE is actively developed.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    never moving from GTK 2 or GTK 3 until there's a gtk4-classic like https://github.com/lah7/gtk3-classic

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even if, and I mean IF, Mate development stopped right now, it would still be usable for years to come.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently people need money in order to work. Who woulda thought.

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