>Matt 19:21 Jesus told him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me."
Why is this so hard
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Because the poor of that time were victims of their circumstance, in the modern West most of the "poor" are so because of failed ethical living, aside from the obvious few.
LMAO
What's so funny? If you end up poor in Sweden it's literally your moral failing unless a disease or something engulfs you.
>Not like a basic apartment can cost half your monthly income and many of the lowest pyong jobs also don’t let you work overtime and have schedules too unpredictable to have multiple jobs.
>Look at that nice $600 paycheck, now to pay $200 to the government and $250 to rent, plus an additional $30 for utilities and a phone plan, leaving me $120 for food and emergency expenses, oh frick a sudden expense, need to use a credit card to cover the cost, good thing it only has a 15% interest so it’ll only take me a year to pay it off if I have no more unexpected expenses for the next year.
>don’t let you work overtime
Lol?
>Can I work overtime?
>And get paid 50% more than normal? You’re lucky we let you work full time!
Found the Calvinist
It isn’t, if you actually believe. Clearly most Christians do not actually believe and this all about putting a cross emoji in your Twitter bio and childish discord memes. Boomers just have brain damage from lead poisoning so they can’t read and follow instructions
How do I do what's best for my family if I give all my money away
Family?
So I should let them starve?
More or less. Don’t worry God will provide unless your family dying was part of his plan.
>Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’ For it is the gentiles who seek all these things, and indeed your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
It's important to remember that Jesus and his followers were fully convinced the Apocalypse would happen in their lifetimes.
Matthew 24:34
>Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Jesus's sermon in Matthew makes that abundantly clear. If you believe that the world is ending within your generation, then clinging to worldly possessions or caring about your own family doesn't make much sense.
False, Matthew 24:34 is referring to the last generation that will witness all the signs of the end, not his own generation. Jesus himself tells is that he does not know when the end would come:
>But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Matthew 24:36
We know that this is the correct interpretation, because even though Jesus didn't give a date, he did give us conditions that needed to be met for the end to come, among them was that the gospel was to be declared to the whole world:
>And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 24:14
It is just not realistic that Jesus would expect this to be fulfilled within the lifespan of his generation, this obviously signals something that will take quite a lot of time to fulfill, even today it hasn't been fulfilled completely.
Notice as well that these statements are from exactly the same chapter, Matthew 24, not different parts of the NT, Jesus said all these things together, so we can only understand them correctly when we read them together.
Jesus is still saying in his sermon in Matthew that "all these things" (e.g. the sun and moon going dark, stars falling from the sky, and his return alongside trumpets wherein "all the tribes of the earth will mourn") will happen in this generation - which will not pass away UNTIL they have occurred. Your argument still doesn't address the fact Jesus is straight up wrong here. It also makes his argument that he and YHVH are one (John 10:30) fall flat on its face if he can't even correctly interpret the prophecy he's meant to fulfill.
>Jesus is still saying in his sermon in Matthew that "all these things" (e.g. the sun and moon going dark, stars falling from the sky, and his return alongside trumpets wherein "all the tribes of the earth will mourn") will happen in this generation
And I already told you that "this" generation does not refer to "his generation", it refers to the future generation that is yet to come. It should be read as "that" generation.
See pic related. Jesus uses the term "generation" to refer to the singular generation he's addressing elsewhere in the sermon. It would make zero sense for him to change the implicit meaning of the word at the end.
Obviously the same word is used when refering to generations, either his own or the future one. The word that you're misreading is "this". You're reading it as "my" generation, instead of the correct reading which is "that" (future) generation.
That sounds like pure headcanon to me. You're inferring that Jesus deliberately misled his followers by changing up the meaning of the word "generation" he already had used in the sermon to describe those witnessing it themselves.
>That sounds like pure headcanon to me.
No it isn't, it only requires you to realize that you're misreading a single word, "this", you keep reading it as "my" rather than "that"
>ou're inferring that Jesus deliberately misled his followers by changing up the meaning of the word "generation"
No you fricking idiot, generation just means generation, either Jesus' generation or the future generation that will witness the end, they're both generations, no different meaning. Your mistake is thinking that Jesus is talking in this verse about his generation, that part of his sermon is entirely about future events that I've already shown you are prophesied again in the book of Revelation.
You're saying that Jesus meant "that" when he said "this" but you have no evidence for that other than headcanon. You still have yet to address this point.
>You're saying that Jesus meant "that" when he said "this" but you have no evidence for that other than headcanon.
I already showed you how we know that this is the correct reading:
We know that this is the correct interpretation, because even though Jesus didn't give a date, he did give us conditions that needed to be met for the end to come, among them was that the gospel was to be declared to the whole world:
>And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Matthew 24:14
It is just not realistic that Jesus would expect this to be fulfilled within the lifespan of his generation, this obviously signals something that will take quite a lot of time to fulfill, even today it hasn't been fulfilled completely.
Notice as well that these statements are from exactly the same chapter, Matthew 24, not different parts of the NT, Jesus said all these things together, so we can only understand them correctly when we read them together.
And again, I showed you that the events prophesied by Jesus in Matthew 24 are repeated and prophesied again in Revelation:
So clearly even by the time Revelation was written these events had yet to happen.
You still haven't shown how that's the correct reading. Your argument is essentially, "Jesus couldn't have meant that because then he would've been wrong." That's not an argument unless you believe that Jesus must've been omniscient / knew better.
>You still haven't shown how that's the correct reading. Your argument is essentially, "Jesus couldn't have meant that because then he would've been wrong."
No, idiot. Jesus said that the end would not come until the gospel had been spread throughout the whole world, which is a feat obviously impossible within the lifespan of a single generation. If he thought that it could be accomplished within the lifetime of his generation, Jesus would have ordered his followers to start preaching and spreading his message immediately, not after his resurrection, he wouldn't even have bothered with the sermon, he would've been traveling everywhere similar to Paul.
>No, idiot. Jesus said that the end would not come until the gospel had been spread throughout the whole world, which is a feat obviously impossible within the lifespan of a single generation. If he thought that it could be accomplished within the lifetime of his generation, Jesus would have ordered his followers to start preaching and spreading his message immediately, not after his resurrection, he wouldn't even have bothered with the sermon, he would've been traveling everywhere similar to Paul.
Jesus did urge his followers to spread his message. In fact, he was actively doing that with his sermon - which makes this non-argument a little silly. Jesus was literally proselytizing in the verse we're discussing.
>Jesus did urge his followers to spread his message.
No he didn't, during his ministry he specifically ordered his followers to keep a low profile and not talk about his miracles.
>Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.
Matthew 16:20
>And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter answered him, “You are the Christ.” And he strictly charged them to tell no one about him.
Mark 8:29-30
>Then he said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” And Peter answered, “The Christ of God.” And he strictly charged and commanded them to tell this to no one, saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.”
Luke 9.20-22
>And Jesus sternly charged him and sent him away at once, and said to him, “See that you say nothing to anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, for a proof to them.”
Mark 1:43.44
>And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.” And he strictly ordered them not to make him known.
Mark 3:11-12
>No he didn't, during his ministry he specifically ordered his followers to keep a low profile and not talk about his miracles.
That's because he was worried about being killed for promoting blasphemy. He still went on and gave many sermons, speaking to large crowds about his new faith, throughout the New Testament.
>Matthew 28:16-20. He says, "I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to obey everything I have commanded you
>That's because he was worried about being killed for promoting blasphemy.
Right so again, this shows that his goal was not to spread the gospel as far and wide as possible, again he had no intention of declaring the gospel to the whole world during his lifetime.
>again he had no intention of declaring the gospel to the whole world during his lifetime.
Did you not read the verse I included in the very post you're replying to?
>Matthew 28:16-20. He says, "I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Go, then, to all peoples everywhere and make them my disciples: baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and teach them to obey everything I have commanded you
Maybe you should re-read the New Testament again before arguing about it online. Clearly you have some catching up to do.
>Did you not read the verse I included in the very post you're replying to?
Matthew 28:16-20 happens AFTER the Resurrection, dumbass. After his ministry has ended and he returns to heaven.
>if i take a bunch of random verses out of order and context...
Oh man are you in for a wild ride when you crack open your bible lmfao
Every verse he quoted exemplifies his point.
The context is that Jesus explicitly told his disciples multiple times not to identify him as Christ to those people they preached to who didn't know he was Christ.
He did this for two reasons. The first was that he wanted people to realize he was Christ because of faith and recognition of his deeds, rather than because they were simply told so.
Another is that there were many others in his day who claimed to be Christ, and proudly went about proclaiming it. He wanted to distinguish his ministry from their likes.
Anyways, the reason there were so many other messianic claimants at the time is because that period of time is when their messiah was actually supposed to manifest.
>Jesus was literally proselytizing in the verse we're discussing.
No, he was privately explaining to his disciples why he trashed the Temple courtyard. His cleansing of the Temple was proselytization.
What he does in Matthew 24 is wisdom teaching, not for the public.
>(e.g. the sun and moon going dark, stars falling from the sky, and his return alongside trumpets wherein "all the tribes of the earth will mourn")
All of these things are future events taking place in the end times, they're repeated in the book of Revelation.
>When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
Revelation 6:12-13
>Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
Revelation 11:15
>For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.”
Revelation 18:3
Matthew 24 has Jesus answering 2 different questions from his disciples.
The first, when would the Temple be destroyed? Second, what would the sign of his second coming be?
Note, this means that the destruction of the Temple would not be the sign of his second coming.
Jesus foretold that the Temple would be destroyed in their generation, which it was.
Family is not a priority.
>Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple
You are going to lose everything anyway, Jesus is just being realistic here. You will not carry anything after death, maybe not even your mind.
Why even care about the afterlife if you don’t have your mind? You don’t go to heaven, simply someone claiming to be you.
Who said you is your mind? You could have a mental disorder, like that guy that got struck by a pipe inside his head, but you are still yourself somehow. I know it is counter intuitive, but one of the aspects what we are is also something changes overtime.
>You could have a mental disorder, like that guy that got struck by a pipe inside his head, but you are still yourself somehow.
But not really. If I knew I was going to become that pipe guy I would have no reason to care what happens to me after the accident, if anything I would be incentivized to take shit from my future self to enrich people who I actually care about instead of someone whose essentially a stranger.
>I know it is counter intuitive, but one of the aspects what we are is also something changes overtime.
The issue is continuity. You change every moment, but it’s little by little over time, a sudden inversion or major change cuts off that continuity. Obama, Trump, and Biden were/are all US presidents, even if they had different governments they were all American presidents. However if someone declared himself dictator for life, abolished congress, and stripped states of almost all rights while abolishing the bill of rights, many people would declare America dead even if a geopolitical entity calling itself America and inhabiting the same region still existed.
They appear in the pupils.