Has anyone else read this? I thought it was pretty good, but definitely could've been half the length with little lost, he really repeats the same few points over and over. He also goes full on SJW at the end at quotes Robin DiAngelo to prove that mindfulness is heckin white supremacy (despite the fact that the two people he critiques the most are named Kabat-Zinn and Goldstein).
The first bit, however, is very good, reminded me of late Roman cities, with millions of plebs meditating to distract and sedate themselves while everything went to shit.
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Seems like an interesting read, thank you.
link?
>reminded me of late Roman cities, with millions of plebs meditating to distract and sedate themselves while everything went to shit.
Second, this shit seems sus
Well it makes sense. I was taught mindfulness while I was in a psychiatric clinic in order to manage various symptoms of crippling mental disorders. Considering what capitalism does to the human psyche, it only makes sense that they'd be pushing it; you want your trained monkeys to remain sane enough to pull their stupid monkey lever.
>he thinks we have capitalism
Lolbert detected
McMindfulness is thinking too small. There's a much bigger issue, something like McMeaning, and it affects the whole spectrum from Peterson through Sam Harris to Russell Brand. Somebody should crack this shit right open and write about it. Someone more insightful than me, because I can only see the surface symptoms of the faux meaning and I can barely articulate what I see. Or maybe the whole diagnosis is as old as Nietzsche and that's all there is to it, might be.
Elaborate tard, what do you mean by Mcmeaning? Something about the fact that politics, virtues etc are fashion statements?
Something about the most important individual drives being subservient to and molded by the lowest common denominator, all while pretending to be universally virtuous or at least historically so. It's not quite about values being fashion statements, because fashions make you adopt something without distorting what it was in the first place, so that metaphor doesn't quite cut it. Yeah, I told you I suck at articulating it.
Not him but more like meaning and authenticity has become a consumable commodity.
we're constantly pushed a message of "goodness" whether that be via social justice, environmentalism, new age spirituality, green consumption, etc yet each and every one of us is a hypocrite, a member of a society that enslaves other sentient beings, processes their flesh and consumes them while simultaneously and subconsciously pushing the limits of consumption and materialism
piss off, vegangay
It’s called pseudo-initiation and it was retroactively refuted by Guenon (pbuh)
I will articulate your point and all your subconscious ideas into a very simple sentence:
Society is collapsing
McMeaning pundits offer nothing but solutions for the collapsing society.
And now your subconscious disposition: Losers always feel as if their society is on the brink of some major collapse when really it's just their impoverished circumstances whether morally spiritually physically mentally etc.
>just ignore the below replacement birthrates, 1 in 3 Americans being obese, the opioid epidemic, kids on SSRI anxiety meds and hormones, people living paycheck to paycheck bro, its just a couple of losers
>losers
I love that robots use this word a lot
>I am not a loser like you, I'm a winner, I will do EVERYTHING it takes to win. Do I have to suck a wiener? Yes I WILL suck that wiener. Over and over again. And I'll take it in the ass and smile! I'm not a little b***h like you, I'll gobble all those wieners and I'll WIN!!!
Nothing lasts forever homie.
Read "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Quick read and points out the deep flaw that we're all running on (it's not what ya think, either).
I'll check it out.
>Already done by Baudrillard
Where? In Simulacra...?
>Somebody should crack this shit right open and write about it
Already done by Baudrillard
>Already done by Baudrillard
true. It's amazing what he wrote about and what has come true
Sam Harris is the one person I wish to be proven wrong via might makes right. Every time I listen to his effete drawling voice I want to play Minecraft.
Unfortunately he knows bjj so odds are he’d completely frick your shit up if you tried to beat his ass.
The reason people seek meaning is it justifies their "self"-existence in this world. The "justification" is a high level word, but the gist of it is that it allows the notion of "self" to model itself around the world and the role it plays in the larger world (society/community/work/home/family/etc). Its a brain's way to fill in the "gap" in modeling of the world in which we find ourselves situated in.
If we go to the Descarte/Kant/Husserl/Theologists/etc route, then your soul and consciousness existence gets confirmed and it allows your mind's modeling to be at ease. Atleast from the stand point of the soul and the world building upward from there.
If we go the Buddhist route, the the "meaning of life" are a way to reinforce the delusions of the existence of a permanent enduring self. Its a way to grasp at reality and try to find a firm ground to stand on. While the others may think their grounds are solid because every else is also having the same feeling and thus creating a meta false sense of consensus of the society, Buddhists see that as a mass delusion.
McMindfulness is a tool used by corporates to pacify individuals who feel dissatisfaction with the corporate/city living. Of the utter meaningless that they find themselves, day and night, slaving away at their life.
Baudrillard?
This has nothing to do with McDonalds. Stop diluting the literal bovine McHolocaust that is the beef-based agriculture industry with your lazy dismissiveness of warehouse labor! It's not very nice!
Interesting how Buddhist techniques and philosophy are applicable to and helpful in so many different circumstances that The Buddha couldn't have anticipated, yet Christianity has zero to offer the Amazon warehouse worker but unconvincing afterlife cope.
Uh huh.
cope
western buddhist "meditation" is literally the same kind of useless perversion as telling someone to say a rosary to relax. the only reason Amazon won't do this is because people in the west see doing Christian shit as doing "religious" shit while le buddhist mindfulness is atheist practice (99% of westerners think that Buddhism is a philosophy and not a religion even though it talks about reincarnation, karma, etc.)
it's all cope
The article is good and to the point. The book I dropped about a third of the way through since he starts tediously repeating himself. Trungpa's Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism is a better rec and you'll learn something about Buddhism. But that's essentially what this—using techniques from religion to achieve secular purposes, in this case therapeutic or productivity-based.
I think most of the posts in this thread are midwit tier thinking. You're trying to be edgy for criticizing something that is obviously the abhorrent - the amazon wagie mindfulness cage.
"mindfulness" or whatever you want to call it is not simply a tool to be used as a drug to numb out. If used correctly, it readjusts perception to liberate your conscious experience from the ride that you feel like you are forcefully strapped into. Shit on Sam Harris all you want, I've been in a rough yet transformative time for the past 8 months and Sam's waking up app along with therapy and alot of self-inquiry has led to the start of a shift in my perception that, for the first time, has given me a chance at actually feeling engaged with life instead of feeling like a pin ball getting tossed around by my emotions.
>wienerily criticize all posts as midwit
>inmediately expose himself as midwit
why its always like this?.
This isn't about mindfulness, its about McMindfulness, specifically in the context of corporate culture. Aka sanitized 5 min self help garbage you see.
Its sanitized to the point that you get nothing from the experience that a buddhist meditation would get, maybe except that quiet 5 minute break. Which you could get just by being quiet for 5 minute.
This
I did a double take when I was at work and saw a commercial (since I don't have a television at home) for a new phone app called "Coping-19", literally an app designed to help people cope with the pandemic- and I looked underneath the television and see people gambling in my casino as they always have just with masks on. Very surreal.
>Its sanitized to the point that you get nothing from the experience that a buddhist meditation would get, maybe except that quiet 5 minute break.
Its actually worse than that. It's using techniques that deliberately induce depersonalization, normally done in a specific framework that orients you towards a spiritual goal, to kill the part of your brain that complains about your job. It's pretty vile.
>maybe except that quiet 5 minute break
dude they're basically giving employees a healthier alternative to smoking to get a break and think about their breathing. i used to smoke and only at work because it's a chance to go outside and take deep breaths for five minutes. once you quit smoking you lose that smoker's perk. that's really what these are, the company saying "it's fine if you want a five minute breather, you don't have to smoke cigarettes to do it" i actually think it's a good idea.
>the company saying "it's fine if you want a five minute breather, you don't have to smoke cigarettes to do it" i actually think it's a good idea.
this is okay but it's really the company saying,
"it's fine if you want a five minute breather, you can shut yourself in this small plastic box and get your breath in there,"
which is fricking weird. Less expensive than having a playroom or whatever, zen garden, or whatever.
Seems more like a mental health experiment.
>i used to smoke
and then you stopped. some people have no will power. shameful.
They’re taking away the social element from the smoke break.
“Don’t talk about how much your job sucks with your coworkers, just focus on yourself!”
Yeah they probably have data showing that smoking areas lead to unionization. They've got the same regarding lower levels of diversity. Everything Amazon (or any similar sized firm) does is data-driven and about cutting costs.
>Yeah they probably have data showing that smoking areas lead to unionization.
Probably
you're expecting far too much from these cow-orks imo
>I think most of the posts in this thread are midwit tier thinking.
>I've been in a rough yet transformative time for the past 8 months and Sam's waking up app
holy fricking lmao
Having a computer beep at you to modify your behavior is not an engagement with life. You will be reborn as livestock.
>you will be reborn as livestock
I laughed out loud in a teams meeting frick you
Mindfulness is basic therapy 101, when a person arrives in a completely clueless state; frenzied and fraught and panicked from all angles and they have to be calmed down and learn to think in terms of perspectives and proportion.
This box is ... sort of like a poor mans version of Reichs padded cell idea. are you allowed to go in there and scream? Probably not. the walls look too thin.
They've been desperately looking for the new thing - "new age (one world) religion". Since Christianity is such an outdated method not suitable anymore for grand scale political control. "Scientific Mindfulness" is just one of those iterations.
And of course most of the front people pushing it are israelites:
- Jack Kornfield
- Joseph Goldstein
- Jon Kabat-Zinn
- Bernie Glassman
- Cheryl Greene aka Thubten Chodron
- Jeffery Block aka Bikkhu Bodhi
- Steve Young aka Shinzen Young
- Allen Ginsberg
- Leonard Cohen
- Robert Downey Jr.
- Sylvia Boorstein
- Mark Epstein
- Dan Harris