What impact has and or will quantum physics have on our metaphysical understanding of reality? Especially in regards to things such as consciousness and God?
Metaphysics And Quantum Physics
What impact has and or will quantum physics have on our metaphysical understanding of reality? Especially in regards to things such as consciousness and God?
Less than the impact of a grain of sand in the ocean, 95% of the Universe is unknown.
>94% of the universe is unknown
vs.
>our theories are fricked but we don't want to abandon them
They're probably fricked up in many ways, but the problem is that they're still great in terms of predictive power.
Not necessarily, that 5% can still make us a type 3 civilization it's like being Iron man but people want to be Superman instead. That 95% has probably been cracked by these Aliens who use these sentient UAPs without propulsion but humans don't need that, in most movies they show you spaceship going through portals or hyperspace with ships propelled by some type of zero point energy, so humans can still conquer the visible Universe with transformers-like high-tech but people want to be Superman mutant freaks instead and roam the Universe naked like Gods.
Quantum Physics sustains on the idea that our universe in a micro-scale has a random and unpredictable nature, it’d support the conception that reality isn’t deterministic.
lol, no
Suppose hidden variables is true. Does that prevent me from doing quantum physics? No, of course not.
Hidden variables theory has been long refuted in Quantum Physics, see the Bell test.
Lmao, you don't know shit
Please explain how "the Bell test" makes is so determinism cannot be true.
>theory
It's not a theory. Theories can be falsified.
The hidden variables. Are HIDDEN. They cannot be falsified, even in principle.
The narratives behind science which currently dominates academia, almost always frames their studies as grand universal truths about the nature of the subject via materialist/determinist methodology. But these Platonist understandings of science are starting to breakdown as physicists study quantum mechanics, since a lot of the basic metaphysical assumptions they've derived from classical mechanics (i.e. determinate causality and the inherent mind independence of objects) just doesn't exist on a local quantum scale.
There's also a declassified CIA paper that references a Japanese scientist who points out the reason why we can't unify classical and quantum mechanics with a coherent understanding of gravity is because modern scientists have never factored in a theory of consciousness into their metaphysical ruleset.
Reading Schrodinger's "What Is Life?" and reading up on the theory of informational monism makes it seem like the entire dichotomy between the world of the physical and world of phenomenon is just an illusion where consciousness seems to play a major role in things.
The biggest impact is attracting schizos and grifters.
we have evidence for quantum physics. we do not have evidence for metaphysics, if we had evidence for metaphysics, it would no longer be metaphysics. Hope this helps
What if everything is made up of consciousness? What if planets are conscious? What if black holes are conscious? What would happen if we angered them?
Roger Penrose basically not only posits the idea that consciousness is a result of quantum phenomenon, but also that everything is "consciousness" and that consciousness is more like a spectrum, where a human would be fully conscious and thus could be given a consciousness value of 100, whereas a rock is, for all intents and purposes, non-conscious, and could be given a value of 0.1, since its a far simpler quantum system than the human brain
What would that imply though? About reality? About God? About you?
I too, as a materialist, believes rock would be conscious if you arranged the rock-matter like a brain
>unironic r*ddit post
That's just embarrassing
What do we disagree about?
materialism doesn't account for consciousness at all.
Do you mean the brain?
What the problem with brains existing and materialism being true?
Experience itself cannot be explained via materialism, it will always lead you to the problem of philosophical zombies. Saying that consciousness is an "emergent" quality is essentially just saying that it is magic.
Why do you think a story about imaginary zombies is a problem for materialism?
Very little
None
Platonism in all its forms has long been disproven. Nomalism, the "atheism of metaphysics", is thus proven right by default and all quantum phenomenoms are compatible with it.
>*consciousness exists*
>*BTFO's your gay ass homosexualry*
Me 1, you 0.
Merely a projection of thought processing, of cognition. There is no mystic to it and zero necessity for it
>Merely a projection of thought processing
Literal gibberish that means "I don't exist we're all NPCs". moron
No?
Thoughts are processed information from input from your senses and memories. That process is cognition.
Consciousness is projected during cognition, it is overlying it. It still is an effect of cognition and that can be determined by inhibiting said cognition causing consciousness to cease. Consciousness is thus an effect not a cause. An effect of cognition.
If you doubt any of what I demonstrated then I invite you to try the "Bonk test" on yourself, hit your head with a blunt object until you pass out then hope you may regain consciousness later. You'd notice that since your thinking was impaired so was your conscious experience
>Thoughts are processed information
No they aren't, they are ideas. You aren't "processing information" by thinking, there aren't hidden ones and zeroes falling down your eyes, what they *are* is images and sounds projected in your mind, the activity of a thinking thing.
>input from your senses and memories
You don't need either to have thoughts, and thoughts often have nothing to do with either.
>Consciousness is projected
What does that mean? Your posts are full of pseudo-profound bullshit
>If you doubt any of what I demonstrated
You not only didn't "demonstrate" anything, your line of crap is barely coherent, if that.
>hit your head with a blunt object until you pass out then hope you may regain consciousness later
Brilliant. What did we ever do without a savant like you
>one and zero
No there are neurons firing which is what binary codes somewhat emulates.
The images and ideas are constructs encoded by neuron state.
>you don't need either
You do, tho you don't need to do it consciously. Everything you know, every shape and color you think of comes through sensory processes past or present. Without inputs there would be no processes or consistancy behind them. You'd be the same as brain dead.
>consciousness is projected
It means what it means, consciousness is an effect of cognition. That is merely an observation.
You only reject it because it does not fit your worldview.
>No there are neurons firing which is what binary codes somewhat emulates.
Those ones and zeroes are mathematical algorithms. Your brain matter isn't.
>constructs encoded by neuron state
More noise. Is this impressive on r/atheism?
>You do
No, you don't. How much memory or sense-experience do you need to think about mathematical formulae, for example? 0.
>Everything you know, every shape and color you think of comes through sensory processes past or present.
So my ability to imagine a unicorn is derived from my past experience with unicorns?
>Without inputs there would be no processes or consistancy behind them.
Chocolate is the power of sunshine.
>It means what it means
Ok, so it doesn't mean anything
>You only reject it
There's nothing to reject, you're stringing together epic basedence words to create meaningless phrases to appear smarter than you are
>not mathematic
It is still encoding
>noise
No, it is what it is. You've got specific zones in the brain for those type of things.
>mathematics
It's not a self-taught logic system, even if units are self evident through observation and deduction you still need external intput to picture units themselves and figure out basic arithmetic.
And concepts such as zero null are not truly self evident. Being taught is an external input.
You underestimate how much you were taught what you know and take for granted.
>unicorns
Yes, through pictures and descriptions of what a unicorn is supposed to be like. Even if you were to think of them yourself, you'd still simply be remixing your image of an horse with an image of a horn.
>chocolate
Is produced through the power of sunshine, photosynthesis, and the calories it contains derived their energical potential from it as well.
>doesn't mean anything
It does, a projection is something that comes from something else.
>smarter
And you deny everything to appear dumber???
>Thoughts are processed information from input from your senses and memories.
If you worked like that you would literally crash like a computer. You don't know what you are talking about.
But you work like that, you think the same as me.
>muh qualia
You can think of the past and the thing you're seeing at the same time. And you don't crash because you're not electronics you're neurons firing.
>Platonism in all its forms has long been disproven.
How's that, Morty?
Bringing in quantum physics into philosophical arguments its one my pet peeves because the conversation starts going off the rails because its clear the concepts are not being understood. Watch it happen in this very thread, look out for words like consciousness of particles or saying we are all connected or something like that, often based on misunderstandings of the double slit experiment.
None because bohmian mechanics will be vindicated and restore our understanding of particle physics back to normalcy.
Does quantum physics tend to agree more with Platonism or with the thoughts of Heraclitus and his flux?
Since it necessitates particule-wave dualogie, it would be Heraclitus' vision of a world in flow.
The energy of atoms themselves is flowing in and out an of each of them as they aborb photons and shed one back. Vibrate when exectited which is what heat is. Move around with waves of various fields. And move around with velocity as a single object the planet Earth.
Motion is an integral part of the inert, matter is a fluctuation of the void and forms are only a mental constuct.