>He uses Windows in 2022
Either open your mouth and accept the GNU wiener, or open your ass and accept the MacOS wiener. Sticking with Windows in current year is literally masochism.
Because Windows has more vulnerabilities than it has features. This shit is literally just surface level illusion that doesn't actually increase the system's security in any viable, just makes things harder on the user.
there is literally fricking nothing stopping linux malware if "sudo ./virus", same shit as clicking "run as administrator" like half of all windows installer EXE's require
Perhaps, just maybe, it may be possible that you you dont sudo random scripts you downloaded from the internet...?
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're lost, this whole thread is about crying about how microsoft makes you click twice before it lets you run arbitrary crap in .appx format.
or do you think installing rpm/deb isn't the same? news flash, it is. they both can ask for just running some random script as root
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dont temp big daddy MS to black your other eye too b***h! We both know youll never stand up for yourself! Just hope MS hasnt been hittin the sauce again and key that foundation around to cover your bruises
2 years ago
Anonymous
Now wouldnt it be a cool idea to make the repository of these scripts open to be audited and checked for security? Oh wait, nvm.
2 years ago
Anonymous
moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>moron
seethe cope dilate
2 years ago
Anonymous
>thread about nuances when installing software from unofficial sources >lmao just install from official sources
2 years ago
Anonymous
>flatpak >appimage >tarball >(in arch) AUR
2 years ago
Anonymous
why are you lying? at the very least flatpak and AUR needs extra enabling just like the problem described in OP.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Linux Community
"Software you need not in official repos? Here is flatpak/appimage/repo of said software. Heres how to enable it, but be careful not to add random programs from unknown sources." >Microsoft
"DANGER DANGER!!! App not part of our centralized garden of spyware!!!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
on windows its just 2 or 3 clicks and a warning
2 years ago
Anonymous
AppImages you can literally just download and click on and it will run.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes, but your grandma who knows nothing about a computer benefits from the warning, windows is designed to be usable to the people like your grandma, microsoft thinks that it is worth a few extra clicks to protect grandmas
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Linux
Ok so you open up a terminal, enter sudo nano vim /etc/apt/rpm/dnf/repos.homosexual.d/gayshit, press enter, enter your password, copypaste this url in, run like three different other commands, in the meantime letting our software do whatever as root and there, you're done >Windows
toggle this one thing in setting, then you get to install apps to your user only, without admin, and potentially even further sandboxed
2 years ago
Anonymous
>download flatpak >sudo install this >input password >"you sure? y/n" >done
Versus
>download dot exe >run as admin >"do you trust this? click y/n" >"this is outside our repo, are you sure?" >done
I cant believe windows did this. Also if you're not part of an org you dont get this warning, also you can disable the warning.
There's barely any difference between this and having to manually add shit outside of your linux walled garden repo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"this is outside our repo, are you sure?"
the prompt in the op is only for .appx, which is packaged apps for windows
An .exe doesnt have such prompt, it instead has the other one about unknown publisher with the direct yes button instead of settings change
2 years ago
Anonymous
you do realise that's exactly the same number of steps, right?
>more moron proof
As yes it makes it harder for me to open the doors in my car that doesn't have windows any way so if anyone wants to steal it they can always do it
>thinking users are so moronic they need a walled garden, which conveniently puts all the power in the hands of M$
Yes, 'moron proofing' was totally the reason.
no, that only works if you have the repo added, ie is your distro flavored "microsoft store". and (surprise surprise) you get basically the same shit when installing a new repo on most package managers. same with flatpak when adding a new repo
.. and that is somehow oh-so-much more user friendly than two clicks?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Arguably opening a lock that actually locks things by typing "y" is more user friendly than two clicks to dismiss a Microshit brand of a facsimile of security.
2 years ago
Anonymous
sudo apt install braincell
enter key
(y/n)
enter key
yeah its like pressing the same button twice
On linux you need to add a repository because you can only easily install $yourDistro-approved things, then you need to run apt as admin.
Its actually harder than what OP has (get the warning, follow the link to the warning, disable warning entirely).
The windows equivalent of the linux way is manually clicking through "yes I trust this developer", and then having to input your password, every time you want to install anything. Which you dont have to do.
On linux you need to add a repository because you can only easily install $yourDistro-approved things, then you need to run apt as admin.
Its actually harder than what OP has (get the warning, follow the link to the warning, disable warning entirely).
The windows equivalent of the linux way is manually clicking through "yes I trust this developer", and then having to input your password, every time you want to install anything. Which you dont have to do.
Great for boomers. Im tired of getting pinged because someone clicks on NEW-SALARIES-2023.xls.exe every single time they see it on their gmail.
Im just the IT guy so I know they dont listen to me, maybe they'll listen to microsoft. Or not who knows honestly.
>Anon we can't use this, How do we roll back to Windows 10? >All of our work partners agree and have phoned Dell/Lenovo-they say they are going to include W10 images with the recovery media from now on, you'll have to use their command line tools to replace the Windows folder after installing from Windows 11 recovery media...
Maybe while you're at it you can turn off FRICKING VIVA INSIGHTS. I swear to Jesus Christ almighty on his throne up in heaven if I have to block [email protected] ONE MORE FRICKING TIME I'm gonna flip a tit. >Take a short vacation >Get back >Five seconds after booting up Outlook >VIVA INSIGHTS WELCOME BACK ANON HOPE YOU HAD A RESTFUL BREAK
KILL ALL PROPRIETARDS IMMEDIATELY
>"Hello my finance department tech illiterate friends. As you can see I have installed Architect on all your machines. Excel? Right, simply open the command line and-"
We're not doing that, sorry.
Just give them Office PWA's running in Chrome. It's not like they will notice a difference. And it's seamless in Ubuntushit. You really are moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its also native, offline and seamless on windows. Why would I train 50 year olds on linux, are you mentally disabled?
Literally why the frick would I or anyone else do any of this? You go use whatever ricemaxxed galaxy brain gigachad distribution you want on your personal computer. On your cubicle you'll be running windows 10 as is everyone else.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah of course you don't have reasons to stop using Microsoft software, NONE AT ALL.
Meanwhile entire countries like China, Rusia, South Korea and Germany are starting to migrate. I WONDER WHY.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then stop using microsoft software if you dont like it, why are you talking to me? Im telling you a normal company isnt going to change to whatever indie distribution you're thinking of because we have a business to run. Why do you think the only "linux for business" distro is red hat, are you dumb?
Again im not going to restructure everything we have to change to linux. Firstly because im not a literal moron and second because a non-linux user using a linux machine is less productive and a literal security risk because there's no handholding. >china russia
microsoft is an GAE asset and having your machines run on code backdoored by unhinged americans is a terrible idea
Okay, that's what Windows Defender Application Control is for. You might want to implement a policy for that.
This is not a WDAC message.
.t IT guy who had just found out about it yesterday.
The user end difference between "Your company chose to block this app" and "Microsoft The Company wants you to know this app is scary" is massive.
We block a lot of things. A normal tech illiterate person cannot tell if i blocked some website because it was flagged as "violent content" or becaues its a phishing site that has been spamming for 6 weeks.
If I could change the WDAC message to "The US government says -" I would and it would work better.
>It's just two clicks
Win10 ARM used had support for x64 programs, then one day Microsoft removed it in an update without notice. At some point your W11 install is going to revert to some W11S shit to prevent you from running anything from outside of the store, surely its gonna be a shakedown on software developers who will be forced to pay Microsoft to get their programs into the MS store.
Basically Valve made wine not suck as hard and most everything fricking just werks including muh gaymes.
So outside of newer adobe shit and anticheat gaymes linux can install from the following:
Repos
Adding other repos
Appimage
Flatpak
.tar
And most everything made for windows/DOS
Occasionally just fricking downloading random bullshit from the internet.
And of course Steam.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I thought Proton was just for gaming, like Lutris.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can run apps in any prefix using almost any wine-based layers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not really. See all the shit proton does gets sent back into normal wine so its gone well beyond gaming.
euro laws would be far more agressive against this than in the US
MS would have to transition in a way that royally pissed off enough donors to congress to get the US to do anything which is a very real possability
microsoft already attempted this with windows 8, and again with the windows 10 beta(and quickly reversed course after being called out)
once you make 'app' installations from outside the microsoft store opt-in you've instantly alienated a huge swath of mouth-breathers from ever even considering anything else
microsoft is hugely incentivized to do so, as they would take whatever percentage they decide off the top of all store sales for the paltry sum of the bandwidth for downloading it
I distinctly remember gabe newell giving an interview shortly after the launch of steamos implying the few million they spent on dev/support was well worth the shot across the bow to microsoft
the nuclear option of walled-gardening windows would spur an arms race of OS development that would likely actually lead to some really interesting new shit
but it would come at the cost of the rather comfortable tacit agreement that could come crumbling down at any point
>the nuclear option of walled-gardening windows would spur an arms race of OS development
Bullshit. If anything has been proven is that people are willing to eat shit and claim to enjoy it, in the name of "safety" and convenience.
apple has trained it's users well enough to make their first stop their own store. To open their shit up slightly will cost them next to nothing if it means roping more software into mac and users into their hardware
oh no!
anyway. doesn't affect me since 100% of everything i do that matters is on linux and linux literally doesn't change, and hasn't for like 30 years. the ONLY thing that i would ever do that is on windows is play a video game like once a year, but i don't do that because im not a child anymore, so windows is 100% pointless
ah, a fellow man of culture I see *tips fedora*
we mensa members do not bother with these plebian squabbles
how silly of anyone to think you would lower your superior standards to such lowly depths
2 years ago
Anonymous
windows is the operating system made for homosexuals
there's new packaging scheme called .appx which provides sandboxing to apps and other crap, as well as ms store as the official repo. to install appxes from other sources, you need to enable installing them from other sources in settings. it's basically the same as android and .apk-s from non-gplay sources.
This setting is now default on Windows 10.
it has always been
I don't think you actually understand how anti-trust laws actually work.
It's just a notice. It's not preventing installation.
If it did, THEN it'd be anti-trust.
this.
euro laws would be far more agressive against this than in the US
MS would have to transition in a way that royally pissed off enough donors to congress to get the US to do anything which is a very real possability
no they wouldn't. every industry on planet had these warnings about non-official stuff. Fricking car manufacturers had the usual "we don't recommend third party parts" stuff in manuals for over a century.
$ sudo dpkg -i package.deb
Wow that was so hard.
requires opening terminal and entering the password. way more complicated than two clicks on an ui
so you double click on an installer and this 'recommendation' pops up instead of the installer
if you click the 'Change my app recommendation settings' link it brings you to the app settings in windows where you are greeted with these options (on windows 10)
changing from the default in 11 will give a warning, strong enough to scare off morons I suppose
I wouldn't doubt microsoft switching this option to one of the middle selections after some windows updates
oh man that was so hard. I wish i could just open a terminal, navigate to whereever the frick my app package is, enter some arcane command followed by my password
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?
any time this shit comes up there's always a good percentage of IQfy that somehow ends up arguing on microsofts side by taking the position of >its not that bad, why are people complaining about this just change the setting lol
I do not understand this braindead take >swallowing this shit is optional, you just need to ask ballmer kindly every time he pulls down his pants! why are you complaining?
because it's reasonable. everything else that uses repos and comes with a default trusted one does this or a variation of this. just a few i have experience with that does the same:
- Android (incl. AOSP)
- RHEL
- Fedora
- Flatpak
great whataboutism there, but it isn't great when others do it either
microsoft also has a near monopoly that the others don't in their respective segments and it isn't unreasonable to think that they will end up torpedoing any amount of openness in efforts to compete with apple and google
if you don't think that falls under the established rights of the antitrust act, fine
but don't act like a walled garden OS is somehow more consumer frendily than one that isn't
Whatever. When the time comes that I have to upgrade to Win11, I'll just disable all this shit. There's always a way to disable their bullshit.
For as long as Microsoft needs to support legacy Win32 shit for enterprises (effectively forever), there will be ways to get Windows to behave as you wish.
When I had to upgrade to Win10 for driver support, it was the same thing. It took me like an hour to look up everything I needed and create a script to take care of it. I'll lose another hour when Win10 no longer works.
You're fricked if you're using the home edition of any Windows release though.
they extensively documented and pushed for enterprises packaging and shipping internal apps as appx with custom root of trust, so that won't be going anywhere on the business line either
Every single decision with Windows 11 was lifted from macOS, it's ridiculous how much it feels like a rip-off rather than its own OS, like all those Linux DEs that emulate macOS.
>pride flag appears >right-click taskbar, uncheck "show search highlights" >two clicks >IQfytards too brain damaged to do it >a week later >click "Change my app recommendation settings" >one click >IQfytards too brain damaged to do it >a week later...
Microsoft gay revenue chasing will kill windows but thats their goal
Windows is now a net negative and the will milk the morons too lazy you update their software for new operating systems
The fact that anyone is tolerating this mistreatment let alone excusing it disgusts me to my core.
A bunch of battered housewives you are. Too pathetic to fight back.
Why are you talking to the beaten down abused wretch? They dont listen anon MS only hurts them because he had a bad day at work. He came home drunk again. He has a problem after all its not his fault
The best thing Microsoft did to protect their users from malware was adopting chromium for Edge. The browser was and still is the primary attack vector for home users.
I'm a complete fricking layman but I'm trying to wrap my head around something here since I recently reinstalled 10 and started optimizing it.
So okay, there's the debloater stuff, you can superficially opt out of lots of telemetry bullshit or at least enjoy the illusion of disabling it via some basic methods but I don't really buy into it
My question is this - has anyone done some serious research on this to see what data inevitably gets sent to Microsoft, despite of your thinkering, and are there ways to bash this shit in with a sledgehammer, assuming the said sledgehammer isn't "install gentoo lol"?
I've tried using wireshark in the past but I couldn't be arsed to read up the guide on how to actually use it lol. Is it reliable in showing these connections then?
Telemetry cannot be completely disabled with disconnecting the network.
As far as WHAT is being sent its likely basic b***h usage data. But then again if i threatened to frick your ass with a cactus sans lube and then merely rape you with my lubed wiener are you now grateful to me?
Principles fricking matter.
You can't even use third party tools to black list end nodes of communication, like an antivirus firewall? Windows will just bypass it or something?
you can't even block microsoft domains on
c:windowssystem32driversetchosts
Windows Defender treat this as a virus.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I figured as much, that's why I'm convinced all the slider options are placebo bullshit
I've stumbled upon this though, is it legit?
https://ameliorated.info/# >Windows 10 AME aims at delivering a stable, non-intrusive yet fully functional build of Windows 10 to anyone, who requires the Windows operating system natively. Spyware systems, which are abundant in Windows 10 by default, have not been disabled using group policy, registry entries or various other workarounds – they have been entirely removed and deleted from the system, on an executable-level. This includes Windows Update, and any related services intended to re-patch the system via what is essentially a universal backdoor. Core applications, such as the included Edge web-browser, Windows Media Player, Cortana, as well as any appx applications, have also been successfully eliminated. The total size of removed files is about 2 GB.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's legit spyware
2 years ago
Anonymous
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2 years ago
Anonymous
It's legit spyware
apparently linus has been shilling it as well in the past so I'm all the more skeptical lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
A modded windows iso is always a bad idea.
However, the scripts of these people are open source:
https://git.ameliorated.info/lucid/scripts
If you are gonna install this, at least build it yourself.
Telemetry cannot be completely disabled with disconnecting the network.
As far as WHAT is being sent its likely basic b***h usage data. But then again if i threatened to frick your ass with a cactus sans lube and then merely rape you with my lubed wiener are you now grateful to me?
Principles fricking matter.
Valve and AMD are the only corporations in the world im actually willing to give money to because of how much they have done for linux and open source.
>Valve
made wine better just so you can run more proprietary software on linux >AMD
revolutionized the way to stuff as much driver code in closed source blobs as possible, so they can upstream a tiny shim into linux. now followed by nvidia too.
Then you're a hypocrite. IBM, Intel, Red Hat, and more corporations have also contributed a lot to Linux for decades now. Steam is not FOSS, and you don't know how much data they get about you, which we know is A LOT.
And people are coming to Linux without realizing Linux is becoming the main platform of closed sourced applications, not the other way around. People keep relying on centralized (cloud) services, such as Steam. They come to Linux; they will ask for the rest of the applications to be brought onto Linux.
Before you say I'm just saying bullshit, you can already use FOSS alternatives for almost everything on Windows, how many non-IT people outside of your family do you know use them?
I've met only one graphic designer who started using Krita because he bought the license on Steam, so you must consider most people don't understand their software freedom, and such freedom allows companies to sell FOSS applications. You end up with users paying because it is "verified", and you can't blame such people either.
So back to you sucking AMD and Valve, they do support Linux, but don't think for a second it is because they are good, fricking moron. They want market share and better sales. They're companies aiming for a profit at the end of the day.
I don't care how much of an autist it makes me, calling desktop applications "apps" like this is incredibly fricking annoying. Not inherently so, but there's just something about how gayMAN does it that pisses me off.
tbh getting into the official repo is easier on Windows too
>Windows
just throw $50 at microsoft, upload your binaries, that's it >Linux
for each major distro, repeat:
get your shit compiling with their special snowflake compile flags and compiler
write up some spec file
find some Linux pedophile who can be "maintainer" and actually add the package
wait 3 years until even debian ships it in default repo
Kek it's happening
That's what you get for installing W*ndows 11
Thanks Microsoft, think you should remove the settings too. I might change them by accident and install malware.
morons, turn on developer mode
Imagine having to do that for a desktop holy shit
They love the abuse. Its how thier daddy treated them so they think its love
yeah, i'm never buying another windows machine. lmfao. frick you microsoft.
See shit like this is why im using linux now. That and windows 10 updates fricking suck and break the frickin system.
>He uses Windows in 2022
Either open your mouth and accept the GNU wiener, or open your ass and accept the MacOS wiener. Sticking with Windows in current year is literally masochism.
Hoyl shit it real! I thought this was made up 4chins shitposting but holy shit its really this fricking bad on windows now.
>arbitrary crap
moron.
>is android 50% worse than windows?
Yes.
Finally the linux experience on windows, you only get to install software that repo jannies want you to
$ sudo dpkg -i package.deb
Wow that was so hard.
>what are .Appimages
>what is flatpak
>what are snaps
>what is building from source
>what is docker
>what is podman
I know what you mean, I hate how limited you are on Linux to what software you can install.
Not a problem on IoT LTSC
This, but I can only imagine how shitty Windows will be in 2032 when it expires.
Maybe by then gnome will have thumbnails in their file picker
>I only need two clicks to make this cactus I shoved into my ass adjustable so I can shove it a tiny bit deeper into my ass, so that makes it good
Well put.
Microshill COPE. This is so anti user its fricking unreal
that how it starts and then an update blocks it entirely
Doesn't this only appear on organization-managed PCs?
Every Windows machine is managed by an organization, if you catch my drift.
Why would you get mad at this? This is a way to make your OS more moron proof, it doesn't affect power users at all
Because Windows has more vulnerabilities than it has features. This shit is literally just surface level illusion that doesn't actually increase the system's security in any viable, just makes things harder on the user.
>Because Windows has more vulnerabilities than it has features
At least Microsoft reports their security vulnerabilities, unlike Lincuck
there is literally fricking nothing stopping linux malware if "sudo ./virus", same shit as clicking "run as administrator" like half of all windows installer EXE's require
Perhaps, just maybe, it may be possible that you you dont sudo random scripts you downloaded from the internet...?
you're lost, this whole thread is about crying about how microsoft makes you click twice before it lets you run arbitrary crap in .appx format.
or do you think installing rpm/deb isn't the same? news flash, it is. they both can ask for just running some random script as root
Dont temp big daddy MS to black your other eye too b***h! We both know youll never stand up for yourself! Just hope MS hasnt been hittin the sauce again and key that foundation around to cover your bruises
Now wouldnt it be a cool idea to make the repository of these scripts open to be audited and checked for security? Oh wait, nvm.
moron
>moron
seethe cope dilate
>thread about nuances when installing software from unofficial sources
>lmao just install from official sources
>flatpak
>appimage
>tarball
>(in arch) AUR
why are you lying? at the very least flatpak and AUR needs extra enabling just like the problem described in OP.
>Linux Community
"Software you need not in official repos? Here is flatpak/appimage/repo of said software. Heres how to enable it, but be careful not to add random programs from unknown sources."
>Microsoft
"DANGER DANGER!!! App not part of our centralized garden of spyware!!!"
on windows its just 2 or 3 clicks and a warning
AppImages you can literally just download and click on and it will run.
yes, but your grandma who knows nothing about a computer benefits from the warning, windows is designed to be usable to the people like your grandma, microsoft thinks that it is worth a few extra clicks to protect grandmas
>Linux
Ok so you open up a terminal, enter sudo nano vim /etc/apt/rpm/dnf/repos.homosexual.d/gayshit, press enter, enter your password, copypaste this url in, run like three different other commands, in the meantime letting our software do whatever as root and there, you're done
>Windows
toggle this one thing in setting, then you get to install apps to your user only, without admin, and potentially even further sandboxed
>download flatpak
>sudo install this
>input password
>"you sure? y/n"
>done
Versus
>download dot exe
>run as admin
>"do you trust this? click y/n"
>"this is outside our repo, are you sure?"
>done
I cant believe windows did this. Also if you're not part of an org you dont get this warning, also you can disable the warning.
There's barely any difference between this and having to manually add shit outside of your linux walled garden repo.
>"this is outside our repo, are you sure?"
the prompt in the op is only for .appx, which is packaged apps for windows
An .exe doesnt have such prompt, it instead has the other one about unknown publisher with the direct yes button instead of settings change
you do realise that's exactly the same number of steps, right?
the appx packages this thread is about are user-installable, they don't need UAC prompts
>more moron proof
As yes it makes it harder for me to open the doors in my car that doesn't have windows any way so if anyone wants to steal it they can always do it
>thinking users are so moronic they need a walled garden, which conveniently puts all the power in the hands of M$
Yes, 'moron proofing' was totally the reason.
wintodlers blown the frick out
>try to do potentially harmful thing
>have to type "yes do as I say"
fricking linux
on linux it's just
apt install google-chrome-stable
no, that only works if you have the repo added, ie is your distro flavored "microsoft store". and (surprise surprise) you get basically the same shit when installing a new repo on most package managers. same with flatpak when adding a new repo
You get a prompt asking you to type "y" if you're adding an additional repository.
.. and that is somehow oh-so-much more user friendly than two clicks?
Arguably opening a lock that actually locks things by typing "y" is more user friendly than two clicks to dismiss a Microshit brand of a facsimile of security.
sudo apt install braincell
enter key
(y/n)
enter key
yeah its like pressing the same button twice
repo? I use arch, everything is accessible in aur
AUR does not come by default on Arch, it must be enabled just like how other sources must be enabled on Windows
On linux you need to add a repository because you can only easily install $yourDistro-approved things, then you need to run apt as admin.
Its actually harder than what OP has (get the warning, follow the link to the warning, disable warning entirely).
The windows equivalent of the linux way is manually clicking through "yes I trust this developer", and then having to input your password, every time you want to install anything. Which you dont have to do.
you have to input your password everytime you install something on windows if you are not considered an administrator
>he doesn't know
Great for boomers. Im tired of getting pinged because someone clicks on NEW-SALARIES-2023.xls.exe every single time they see it on their gmail.
Im just the IT guy so I know they dont listen to me, maybe they'll listen to microsoft. Or not who knows honestly.
You get to see a repeat of the XP to 7 debacle.
>Anon we can't use this, How do we roll back to Windows 10?
>All of our work partners agree and have phoned Dell/Lenovo-they say they are going to include W10 images with the recovery media from now on, you'll have to use their command line tools to replace the Windows folder after installing from Windows 11 recovery media...
Maybe while you're at it you can turn off FRICKING VIVA INSIGHTS. I swear to Jesus Christ almighty on his throne up in heaven if I have to block [email protected] ONE MORE FRICKING TIME I'm gonna flip a tit.
>Take a short vacation
>Get back
>Five seconds after booting up Outlook
>VIVA INSIGHTS WELCOME BACK ANON HOPE YOU HAD A RESTFUL BREAK
KILL ALL PROPRIETARDS IMMEDIATELY
Why do you use Windows on your work machines? Are you moronic? Are they paying you for being this moronic?
>said the iToddler without freedom at all
>"Hello my finance department tech illiterate friends. As you can see I have installed Architect on all your machines. Excel? Right, simply open the command line and-"
We're not doing that, sorry.
>Just open a browser and go to office365.com*
FIFY
Just give them Office PWA's running in Chrome. It's not like they will notice a difference. And it's seamless in Ubuntushit. You really are moronic.
Its also native, offline and seamless on windows. Why would I train 50 year olds on linux, are you mentally disabled?
Literally why the frick would I or anyone else do any of this? You go use whatever ricemaxxed galaxy brain gigachad distribution you want on your personal computer. On your cubicle you'll be running windows 10 as is everyone else.
Yeah of course you don't have reasons to stop using Microsoft software, NONE AT ALL.
Meanwhile entire countries like China, Rusia, South Korea and Germany are starting to migrate. I WONDER WHY.
Then stop using microsoft software if you dont like it, why are you talking to me? Im telling you a normal company isnt going to change to whatever indie distribution you're thinking of because we have a business to run. Why do you think the only "linux for business" distro is red hat, are you dumb?
Again im not going to restructure everything we have to change to linux. Firstly because im not a literal moron and second because a non-linux user using a linux machine is less productive and a literal security risk because there's no handholding.
>china russia
microsoft is an GAE asset and having your machines run on code backdoored by unhinged americans is a terrible idea
>talks about security when using windows
Okay, that's what Windows Defender Application Control is for. You might want to implement a policy for that.
This is not a WDAC message.
.t IT guy who had just found out about it yesterday.
The user end difference between "Your company chose to block this app" and "Microsoft The Company wants you to know this app is scary" is massive.
We block a lot of things. A normal tech illiterate person cannot tell if i blocked some website because it was flagged as "violent content" or becaues its a phishing site that has been spamming for 6 weeks.
If I could change the WDAC message to "The US government says -" I would and it would work better.
>It's just two clicks
Win10 ARM used had support for x64 programs, then one day Microsoft removed it in an update without notice. At some point your W11 install is going to revert to some W11S shit to prevent you from running anything from outside of the store, surely its gonna be a shakedown on software developers who will be forced to pay Microsoft to get their programs into the MS store.
Let them try. Proton is good enough for complete Linux migration now.
>Proton
???
Basically Valve made wine not suck as hard and most everything fricking just werks including muh gaymes.
So outside of newer adobe shit and anticheat gaymes linux can install from the following:
Repos
Adding other repos
Appimage
Flatpak
.tar
And most everything made for windows/DOS
Occasionally just fricking downloading random bullshit from the internet.
And of course Steam.
I thought Proton was just for gaming, like Lutris.
You can run apps in any prefix using almost any wine-based layers.
Not really. See all the shit proton does gets sent back into normal wine so its gone well beyond gaming.
>microsoft is going to put a gun to the head of the majority of its userbase
lolno
Anti-trust, here we come.
I don't think you actually understand how anti-trust laws actually work.
It's just a notice. It's not preventing installation.
If it did, THEN it'd be anti-trust.
euro laws would be far more agressive against this than in the US
MS would have to transition in a way that royally pissed off enough donors to congress to get the US to do anything which is a very real possability
This setting is now default on Windows 10.
New basedjak just dropped.
microsoft already attempted this with windows 8, and again with the windows 10 beta(and quickly reversed course after being called out)
once you make 'app' installations from outside the microsoft store opt-in you've instantly alienated a huge swath of mouth-breathers from ever even considering anything else
microsoft is hugely incentivized to do so, as they would take whatever percentage they decide off the top of all store sales for the paltry sum of the bandwidth for downloading it
I distinctly remember gabe newell giving an interview shortly after the launch of steamos implying the few million they spent on dev/support was well worth the shot across the bow to microsoft
the nuclear option of walled-gardening windows would spur an arms race of OS development that would likely actually lead to some really interesting new shit
but it would come at the cost of the rather comfortable tacit agreement that could come crumbling down at any point
>the nuclear option of walled-gardening windows would spur an arms race of OS development
Bullshit. If anything has been proven is that people are willing to eat shit and claim to enjoy it, in the name of "safety" and convenience.
i don't use windows and haven't for like 15 years, what is this about?
Satya's erection started to grow unchecked and now attempts to try to rape all of Microsoft users simultaneously to satiate his monopolistic needs.
microsoft slowly and quietly turning windows into a walled garden app-store based OS before the general populace notices
It's funny because Apple is going in exactly the opposite direction recently
apple has trained it's users well enough to make their first stop their own store. To open their shit up slightly will cost them next to nothing if it means roping more software into mac and users into their hardware
oh no!
anyway. doesn't affect me since 100% of everything i do that matters is on linux and linux literally doesn't change, and hasn't for like 30 years. the ONLY thing that i would ever do that is on windows is play a video game like once a year, but i don't do that because im not a child anymore, so windows is 100% pointless
ah, a fellow man of culture I see *tips fedora*
we mensa members do not bother with these plebian squabbles
how silly of anyone to think you would lower your superior standards to such lowly depths
windows is the operating system made for homosexuals
there's new packaging scheme called .appx which provides sandboxing to apps and other crap, as well as ms store as the official repo. to install appxes from other sources, you need to enable installing them from other sources in settings. it's basically the same as android and .apk-s from non-gplay sources.
it has always been
this.
no they wouldn't. every industry on planet had these warnings about non-official stuff. Fricking car manufacturers had the usual "we don't recommend third party parts" stuff in manuals for over a century.
requires opening terminal and entering the password. way more complicated than two clicks on an ui
>no they wouldn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation#European_Union
a two click toggle is very far from the "legal and technical restrictions" these two are about
This shit is why valve is going full linux so fricking hard
I hate to be a conspiracygay but when you combine this with the new TPM requirement it's not hard to see where Microsoft is steering the ship.
YOU VILL USE ZE TRUSTED COMPUTING
It's just a recommendation, you just ignore it and continue installing programs as usual.
Not a recommendation, preventing me from installing an app.
I had that message and I could tell him that I want to continue installing programs outside the Microsoft Store.
so you double click on an installer and this 'recommendation' pops up instead of the installer
if you click the 'Change my app recommendation settings' link it brings you to the app settings in windows where you are greeted with these options (on windows 10)
changing from the default in 11 will give a warning, strong enough to scare off morons I suppose
I wouldn't doubt microsoft switching this option to one of the middle selections after some windows updates
There it is, you just select the first option and continue as usual.
>forced update puts the option back to Microsoft Store only
Nothing personal kiddo
Then you change it again. I haven't had any issue with that since I chose option 1.
>forced update
what do you mean
oh man that was so hard. I wish i could just open a terminal, navigate to whereever the frick my app package is, enter some arcane command followed by my password
apt install https://thepackageiwant.deb
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied)
E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?
any time this shit comes up there's always a good percentage of IQfy that somehow ends up arguing on microsofts side by taking the position of >its not that bad, why are people complaining about this just change the setting lol
I do not understand this braindead take
>swallowing this shit is optional, you just need to ask ballmer kindly every time he pulls down his pants! why are you complaining?
because it's reasonable. everything else that uses repos and comes with a default trusted one does this or a variation of this. just a few i have experience with that does the same:
- Android (incl. AOSP)
- RHEL
- Fedora
- Flatpak
why is it only bad if microsoft does it
great whataboutism there, but it isn't great when others do it either
microsoft also has a near monopoly that the others don't in their respective segments and it isn't unreasonable to think that they will end up torpedoing any amount of openness in efforts to compete with apple and google
if you don't think that falls under the established rights of the antitrust act, fine
but don't act like a walled garden OS is somehow more consumer frendily than one that isn't
Whatever. When the time comes that I have to upgrade to Win11, I'll just disable all this shit. There's always a way to disable their bullshit.
For as long as Microsoft needs to support legacy Win32 shit for enterprises (effectively forever), there will be ways to get Windows to behave as you wish.
When I had to upgrade to Win10 for driver support, it was the same thing. It took me like an hour to look up everything I needed and create a script to take care of it. I'll lose another hour when Win10 no longer works.
You're fricked if you're using the home edition of any Windows release though.
What happned to "it just works" anon? :^)
It never just worked. I started the ride with 3.1.
they extensively documented and pushed for enterprises packaging and shipping internal apps as appx with custom root of trust, so that won't be going anywhere on the business line either
Seems there is a "link" to click to resolve that issue. Do the needful sir.
>Microsoft copies Apple again.
Why am I not surprised?
Every single decision with Windows 11 was lifted from macOS, it's ridiculous how much it feels like a rip-off rather than its own OS, like all those Linux DEs that emulate macOS.
>pride flag appears
>right-click taskbar, uncheck "show search highlights"
>two clicks
>IQfytards too brain damaged to do it
>a week later
>click "Change my app recommendation settings"
>one click
>IQfytards too brain damaged to do it
>a week later...
Perfectly normal windows experience sir. Nothing wrong with having to randomly tweak your os for no reason sir.
Microsoft gay revenue chasing will kill windows but thats their goal
Windows is now a net negative and the will milk the morons too lazy you update their software for new operating systems
>and keep it running smoothly
The fact that anyone is tolerating this mistreatment let alone excusing it disgusts me to my core.
A bunch of battered housewives you are. Too pathetic to fight back.
Proprietary users are bootlickers, what did you expect?
cool, how do i do it on my surface RT?
hint: not with 2 clicks
Why are you talking to the beaten down abused wretch? They dont listen anon MS only hurts them because he had a bad day at work. He came home drunk again. He has a problem after all its not his fault
The best thing Microsoft did to protect their users from malware was adopting chromium for Edge. The browser was and still is the primary attack vector for home users.
Dont make daddy Microsoft tell you again b***h
I'm a complete fricking layman but I'm trying to wrap my head around something here since I recently reinstalled 10 and started optimizing it.
So okay, there's the debloater stuff, you can superficially opt out of lots of telemetry bullshit or at least enjoy the illusion of disabling it via some basic methods but I don't really buy into it
My question is this - has anyone done some serious research on this to see what data inevitably gets sent to Microsoft, despite of your thinkering, and are there ways to bash this shit in with a sledgehammer, assuming the said sledgehammer isn't "install gentoo lol"?
Monitor the internet traffic, is the only way to know. simplewall is easy, wireshark is best.
I've tried using wireshark in the past but I couldn't be arsed to read up the guide on how to actually use it lol. Is it reliable in showing these connections then?
You can't even use third party tools to black list end nodes of communication, like an antivirus firewall? Windows will just bypass it or something?
The funny thing is you can literally use bing to find many many examples of those who've tried.
you can't even block microsoft domains on
c:windowssystem32driversetchosts
Windows Defender treat this as a virus.
Yeah, I figured as much, that's why I'm convinced all the slider options are placebo bullshit
I've stumbled upon this though, is it legit?
https://ameliorated.info/#
>Windows 10 AME aims at delivering a stable, non-intrusive yet fully functional build of Windows 10 to anyone, who requires the Windows operating system natively. Spyware systems, which are abundant in Windows 10 by default, have not been disabled using group policy, registry entries or various other workarounds – they have been entirely removed and deleted from the system, on an executable-level. This includes Windows Update, and any related services intended to re-patch the system via what is essentially a universal backdoor. Core applications, such as the included Edge web-browser, Windows Media Player, Cortana, as well as any appx applications, have also been successfully eliminated. The total size of removed files is about 2 GB.
It's legit spyware
Very legit and real!!! Download immediatly!!! 立即下载荣耀归中国
apparently linus has been shilling it as well in the past so I'm all the more skeptical lmao
A modded windows iso is always a bad idea.
However, the scripts of these people are open source:
https://git.ameliorated.info/lucid/scripts
If you are gonna install this, at least build it yourself.
Wolfang made a video about Ameliorated
Telemetry cannot be completely disabled with disconnecting the network.
As far as WHAT is being sent its likely basic b***h usage data. But then again if i threatened to frick your ass with a cactus sans lube and then merely rape you with my lubed wiener are you now grateful to me?
Principles fricking matter.
Without disconnecting the network.
Im fricking moronic
>not using an OS that actually does what you want it to do
what's his endgame?
Valve and AMD are the only corporations in the world im actually willing to give money to because of how much they have done for linux and open source.
Same here bro
>Valve
made wine better just so you can run more proprietary software on linux
>AMD
revolutionized the way to stuff as much driver code in closed source blobs as possible, so they can upstream a tiny shim into linux. now followed by nvidia too.
yeah, i can see how much they did for open source
Indeed.
Linux is fricking tolerable now.
but nothing to do with open-source. I don't know how can someone frame bringing more nonfree software to linux to have anything to do with open-source
Who.
Gives.
A.
Shit?
>microsoft-flavored nonfree botnet -> bad
>valve-flavored nonfree botnet -> good
>Valve
Literally the main driving force of Linux having even the chance of gaining some considerable amount of users
>AMD
Vulkan, FSR, AMDVLK, etc
Then you're a hypocrite. IBM, Intel, Red Hat, and more corporations have also contributed a lot to Linux for decades now. Steam is not FOSS, and you don't know how much data they get about you, which we know is A LOT.
And people are coming to Linux without realizing Linux is becoming the main platform of closed sourced applications, not the other way around. People keep relying on centralized (cloud) services, such as Steam. They come to Linux; they will ask for the rest of the applications to be brought onto Linux.
Before you say I'm just saying bullshit, you can already use FOSS alternatives for almost everything on Windows, how many non-IT people outside of your family do you know use them?
I've met only one graphic designer who started using Krita because he bought the license on Steam, so you must consider most people don't understand their software freedom, and such freedom allows companies to sell FOSS applications. You end up with users paying because it is "verified", and you can't blame such people either.
So back to you sucking AMD and Valve, they do support Linux, but don't think for a second it is because they are good, fricking moron. They want market share and better sales. They're companies aiming for a profit at the end of the day.
I don't care how much of an autist it makes me, calling desktop applications "apps" like this is incredibly fricking annoying. Not inherently so, but there's just something about how gayMAN does it that pisses me off.
GIWTWM
Also, installing something now is called "sideloading".
If you have read 1984 of George Orwell, you know very well the power of the words.
Thanks Apple.
they are PROGRAMS moron, app is shortened form of "application" which is a term only moronS use
>He didn't set his preferences.
Apple does the same shit to protect normies
Dumb Black folk this wasn’t enabled by default
It was for me.
Did you buy a normie laptop because my laptop didn't have that enabled but it's a sperg top
No, it happened on a computer that I had for a while, I know this setting wasn't there before because I never use anything from the microsoft store.
Strange, I never had that issue on any windows device, but I do believe M$ would pull that shit with some homosexual AB testing scenario.
tbh getting into the official repo is easier on Windows too
>Windows
just throw $50 at microsoft, upload your binaries, that's it
>Linux
for each major distro, repeat:
get your shit compiling with their special snowflake compile flags and compiler
write up some spec file
find some Linux pedophile who can be "maintainer" and actually add the package
wait 3 years until even debian ships it in default repo
Racist programs cant be installed on windows
Imagine how desperate you need to be to bring up literally android to """defend""" a desktop """"""OS""""""
No way
Why is IQfy such a cesspool of mouth breathing morons shouting in an echo chamber? Jesus it's almost /misc/ tier
Welcome to nu-IQfy "oldgay"-kun
>even android requires you to do three instead, is android 50% worse than windows?
I don't bring a mouse with my phone, moron