>right
okay then OP is btfo
idk how; maybe something is only known by its privation
1 month ago
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>maybe something is only known by its privation
Are you referring to our knowing or to God's knowing?
Interesting, so if darkness is created when God creates light, wouldn’t that mean evil is created where there is no good?
I think that you meant that evil is created where good is created, am I right? Anyway, God could choose not to create evil, just as God could choose not to create darkness, no?
https://i.imgur.com/XmsNR3B.jpg
>Free Will: Argue that the existence of evil and suffering in the world is a consequence of humans’ free will, which allows for moral choices and personal responsibility. In this view, God gave humans the freedom to choose between good and evil, and the presence of evil is a result of humans misusing that freedom. >Greater Good: Suggest that God allows evil and suffering in the world because they ultimately lead to greater goods or purposes that humans may not fully understand. This perspective emphasizes the idea that suffering can lead to personal growth, empathy, compassion, and other virtues. >Limited Understanding: Highlight the limitations of human understanding in comprehending the ways of an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God. Just because we cannot fully grasp God’s intentions or reasons for allowing evil doesn’t mean they don’t exist. >Theodicy: Explore theodicies, which are attempts to reconcile the existence of evil with the existence of an all-powerful and benevolent God. These can range from soul-building theodicies (suffering is necessary for personal growth) to skeptical theodicies (we cannot fully understand God’s reasons). >Faith-Based Perspective: Ultimately, some argue that faith is not about having all the answers but trusting in the goodness and sovereignty of God despite the presence of evil and suffering in the world.
Just read the Book of Job.
I've read Job and it didn't answer the Problem Of Evil.
>Can God create a world where creatures have the free will to choose against him (evil) but not have evil?
The answer is clearly no but this doesn't disprove that he's not all powerful. it just proves that as the source of logic he is bound to his own nature.
The bible even states that God can't lie. I can lie, does that make me more powerful than God? of course not.
Now prove that it's impossible or illogical for a world with free will not to have evil. What is the heaven?
If evil doesn't exist then religion (or at least the Abrahamic religions) has no prescriptive power and there's no reason to follow it or obey its precepts.
>Can God create a world where creatures have the free will to choose against him (evil) but not have evil?
The answer is clearly no but this doesn't disprove that he's not all powerful. it just proves that as the source of logic he is bound to his own nature.
The bible even states that God can't lie. I can lie, does that make me more powerful than God? of course not.
God being omnipotent is precisely why he doesn't prevent evil. Interestingly, an omnipotent being seeking to maximize a certain value (in God's case, goodness) would need a standard for using his omnipotence that involves relatively limited _direct_ action, since otherwise you run into issues with infinite regressions. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YKUhD7--LKw explains it very well, very quickly
I'd consider myself an atheist if its any consolation, but have you considered the idea that evil exists simply because life would be boring without it? We need buttholes to motivate us, otherwise there would be little reason to do anything, and little reason to fight to get into heaven. That outta be as satisfying an answer as any
See, it's quite simple, africans solved this problem by defining how the universe works.
By african wisemen, and haitian gnostics, it was known that the Monad emanated everything, and since the Monad is quite far away, there are spirits you can do business with, called the lwa.
Or you can Contact the Kami of great Nippon
>Free Will: Argue that the existence of evil and suffering in the world is a consequence of humans’ free will, which allows for moral choices and personal responsibility. In this view, God gave humans the freedom to choose between good and evil, and the presence of evil is a result of humans misusing that freedom. >Greater Good: Suggest that God allows evil and suffering in the world because they ultimately lead to greater goods or purposes that humans may not fully understand. This perspective emphasizes the idea that suffering can lead to personal growth, empathy, compassion, and other virtues. >Limited Understanding: Highlight the limitations of human understanding in comprehending the ways of an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God. Just because we cannot fully grasp God’s intentions or reasons for allowing evil doesn’t mean they don’t exist. >Theodicy: Explore theodicies, which are attempts to reconcile the existence of evil with the existence of an all-powerful and benevolent God. These can range from soul-building theodicies (suffering is necessary for personal growth) to skeptical theodicies (we cannot fully understand God’s reasons). >Faith-Based Perspective: Ultimately, some argue that faith is not about having all the answers but trusting in the goodness and sovereignty of God despite the presence of evil and suffering in the world.
Just read the Book of Job.
>The only way character building theodicies make sense is with reincarnation.
That just means that they deserved to be raped, because if sins from their past life.
>The rest of the points are avoiding the problem.
It’s more like you don’t want to accept it, because you not God. And you don’t understand the concept of “Managing the universe”. Think of it like some person has to do one thing, and then another person on the other side of the world somehow wins the lottery, which then has a women who listens to the new of that lottery winner and goes to Church, because she has envy that her father never gave her any inheritance.
How do you address Augustine's Theodicy?
Why doesn't God intervene on (or simply doesn't create) natural evils?
Maybe a world with sin and evil is a better world than one without?
Right, but how/why?
>right
okay then OP is btfo
idk how; maybe something is only known by its privation
>maybe something is only known by its privation
Are you referring to our knowing or to God's knowing?
I think that you meant that evil is created where good is created, am I right? Anyway, God could choose not to create evil, just as God could choose not to create darkness, no?
I've read Job and it didn't answer the Problem Of Evil.
Will there be sin the world to come/Heaven?
evil does not exist
privation theory is such a weak cope
calling evil absence of good literally changes nothing
>Evil exists
Prove it
Picrel.
Now prove that it's impossible or illogical for a world with free will not to have evil. What is the heaven?
Interesting, so if darkness is created when God creates light, wouldn’t that mean evil is created where there is no good?
If your position is that evil doesn't exist then congrats, the epicurean paradox isn't a problem for you. Very few theists agree with that though.
If evil doesn't exist then religion (or at least the Abrahamic religions) has no prescriptive power and there's no reason to follow it or obey its precepts.
>God is not all loving
True. God hates troons like OP and wants them to suffer in the lake of fire
I dont understand the last one
>Can God create a world where creatures have the free will to choose against him (evil) but not have evil?
The answer is clearly no but this doesn't disprove that he's not all powerful. it just proves that as the source of logic he is bound to his own nature.
The bible even states that God can't lie. I can lie, does that make me more powerful than God? of course not.
God being omnipotent is precisely why he doesn't prevent evil. Interestingly, an omnipotent being seeking to maximize a certain value (in God's case, goodness) would need a standard for using his omnipotence that involves relatively limited _direct_ action, since otherwise you run into issues with infinite regressions. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YKUhD7--LKw explains it very well, very quickly
no
free will necessitates existence of evil
welcome back
I'd consider myself an atheist if its any consolation, but have you considered the idea that evil exists simply because life would be boring without it? We need buttholes to motivate us, otherwise there would be little reason to do anything, and little reason to fight to get into heaven. That outta be as satisfying an answer as any
>we need child rape
Wtf is wrong with you
God(s) could be evil, don't care or not be omnipotent, look into paganism or gnosticism.
See, it's quite simple, africans solved this problem by defining how the universe works.
By african wisemen, and haitian gnostics, it was known that the Monad emanated everything, and since the Monad is quite far away, there are spirits you can do business with, called the lwa.
Or you can Contact the Kami of great Nippon
>Evil exists
By what standards?
>Free Will: Argue that the existence of evil and suffering in the world is a consequence of humans’ free will, which allows for moral choices and personal responsibility. In this view, God gave humans the freedom to choose between good and evil, and the presence of evil is a result of humans misusing that freedom.
>Greater Good: Suggest that God allows evil and suffering in the world because they ultimately lead to greater goods or purposes that humans may not fully understand. This perspective emphasizes the idea that suffering can lead to personal growth, empathy, compassion, and other virtues.
>Limited Understanding: Highlight the limitations of human understanding in comprehending the ways of an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God. Just because we cannot fully grasp God’s intentions or reasons for allowing evil doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
>Theodicy: Explore theodicies, which are attempts to reconcile the existence of evil with the existence of an all-powerful and benevolent God. These can range from soul-building theodicies (suffering is necessary for personal growth) to skeptical theodicies (we cannot fully understand God’s reasons).
>Faith-Based Perspective: Ultimately, some argue that faith is not about having all the answers but trusting in the goodness and sovereignty of God despite the presence of evil and suffering in the world.
Just read the Book of Job.
>Child rape is great for character building.
The only way character building theodicies make sense is with reincarnation. The rest of the points are avoiding the problem.
>The only way character building theodicies make sense is with reincarnation.
That just means that they deserved to be raped, because if sins from their past life.
>The rest of the points are avoiding the problem.
It’s more like you don’t want to accept it, because you not God. And you don’t understand the concept of “Managing the universe”. Think of it like some person has to do one thing, and then another person on the other side of the world somehow wins the lottery, which then has a women who listens to the new of that lottery winner and goes to Church, because she has envy that her father never gave her any inheritance.
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Good is real. Evil is metaphysical.
How do you know that evil exists?