MPEG lost.
AV1 is increasingly being adopted, and Intel GPU encoders are about to enter the market.
Why haven't you taken the AV1 pill?
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MPEG lost. AV1 is increasingly being adopted, and Intel GPU encoders are about to enter the market. Why haven't you taken the AV1 pill?
Can't wait for Intel AV1 hardware encoder in Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake for DEEP LINK goodness
at this point Intlel is going to skip Alchemist and only release data center GPUs in 2023-2024
Fricking sucks that all current processors none have AV1 hardware encoding, so if you want to update now you are basically fricked.
AMD announced AM5 CPUs and those don't have AV1 h encoding either.
Shit fricking sucks, will there be a pci card for encoding or something in the future? I need to update my PC but i don't want a whole fricking new cpu/gpu in 2 years just to get AV1 h encoding.
historically, QuickSync hasn't been great for broadcast (low mbps use case).
am I reading that right? Turing hwenc beats everything except slow presets of vp9/av1?
also where is ampere on here? looks like a very old chart
>why doesn't the 2019 chart have gpus from 2020
I don't believe nvenc quality has changed since Turning, only added features
I just noticed the chart was from 2019 after posting. Either way, that's 3 years old, so you can only compare the hw encoders with this. Software ones could have all improved since then
Correct
Correct. Current state h264 inside of NVENC can be at the very least as good as medium or slow cpu based x264
>Excited when I read Intel iGPUs supporting VP9 encoding
>Since then only ever heard that it's absolute aids to support, so no one does it
Really neat how QuickSync was REALLY fricking useful in the early days for 264, but the Nvidia came in and demolished it, making it useless.
Whole anime episode under 6MB (the size limit of /wsg/).
Just need to find a new exploit to bypass the codec detection and apply the duration hack to extend the limit beyond 5 minutes.
how good sir?
Perfect for gorgeous looks.
What the frick this is awesome
looks like shit bro
it's 26 minutes of video in 6 megs
you could stream that on a 33.6k dial up modem
That isn't the point you moronic zoomer. The point is that it's an entire episode in 6mb, while still being sort of watchable and without completely garbage audio.
You can't do this kinda shit with any other codec, but you wouldn't know that.
>Giving a single frick for the god awful encodes that exist on nyaa
> c:
have a nice day reddit tard
sounds like cope to me, my man. I'm not watching that garbage
Of course, it's anime.
That's damn good. I had no idea they actually improved encoding speed.
>tfw
>already converted my library to vp9
Press F for all those blurays I've wasted
Shit meant for
AV1 still needs to improve. It would be wise to wait going through lengthy conversions anyway
how much does it weight at 1080 encoded from the bd release tho?
i downloaded that set of AV1 encodes from nyaa, episode 24 (that one) is 422.2MiB and looks like pic related
sex with misato
that is correct
havent seen the show, are episodes 20 minutes? because if so then 400mb is overkill, even hevc only needs about 300mb per 20 minutes
20 minutes of what? It's an old anime with natural grain.
20 minutes of show. seems like you could get away with 200mb per episode with grain synth
>natural grain
cringe
it's a pretty decent quality encode
i'd have to find an hevc one to compare it to
..
well here's an 850MiB hevc copy
as you can see, the AV1 has more consistent grain, it's not blurred out of existence in flat areas
while the grain may be technically fake in the AV1 encode... it's grain, random noise, does it actually matter as long as looks like the original grain? this is obviously not for forensic/historical preservation purposes
uncropped image here because of file size;
https://files.catbox.moe/yq5qv7.png
that dav1nci release is using grain synth just so it's clear
Anime is not really a good media for comparisons, you need something with higher detail variety. Anime is too uniform.
well i don't exactly have much (any) other av1 content to compare it to
it holds up damn well considering it's also half the size
the av1 copy has better grain, but the hevc one has sharper high frequency content
bummer i can't use a lossless animated webp image here, or jpeg xl for that matter
>bummer i can't use a lossless animated webp image here, or jpeg xl for that matter
why we use animated "images" instead of just using video formats
How would you rate these
https://1337x.to/search/dAV1nci/1/
Just so it's known, I am not the encoder and I have not even watched these yet. I'm just curious.
the settings he posts do indicate that they should be a good showcase of what av1 can do
>Encoder Settings: aomenc, Preset 4, CQ 18, Grain Synth 26, Keyframe Filtering 2
those are far from the fastest options
it should be pretty hard to find anything wrong with them without comparing frames side by side, at least as far as i've seen (which admittedly is not much yet)
IQfy has no lossless video formats either, vp9 supports it but not vp8
>IQfy has no lossless video formats either, vp9 supports it but not vp8
So we use animated images just for the legacy reason, just like gif
Animated images are primarily an artifact of the older Web not having native video support. There's very little reason to use GIF or even animated PNG/WebP/JXL over a real video format unless you want to mux together existing frames with no loss (very rare use case).
what about high quality shit that even H.264 struggles with
If someone can share that short clip in its original form, I would love to try.
>Still frame
Which HEVC version is that? It wouldn't be a fair comparison if the HEVC encode was filtered to be degrained
no idea, but it's clearly not degrained, since it contains a lot of grain
>but it's clearly not degrained, since it contains a lot of grain
>moron has never heard of groups putting in dupe grain in releases
lmao
I'm glad HEVC died, the nightmare of licensing it out is what killed Samsung's camera division
Died? There's quite a lot of pirate HEVC content, good and bad alike.
>Giving a frick for literally anything coming from Nyaa
Those monkeys don't even know how to work x265 properly, much less AV1
Of fricking course it was
>i downloaded that set of AV1 encodes from nyaa
The guy who encoded it probably didn't use proper params like film grain synthesis and/or set the CRF needlessly low
https://gitlab.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1/-/blob/master/Docs/CommonQuestions.md#tuning-for-animation
he used a crf value higher than he does his real-life encodes (23 instead of 17)
i don't know enough to how how ideal that is, but it looks pretty good to me
here's a copy of the same frame as
from the remux. this is the source video
H.264
flipping between them, the bluray does have a little more grain, but otherwise it's very similar, in my opinion
the claim that the bluray would have less grain is plainly incorrect
gif of a section, flipping between remux and av1
I honestly couldnt ever tell a difference
I would tell you to use diff.pics, but apparently that site doesn't work anymore.
it is now slow.pics
Remux =/= Actual BD
it's literally the same video data, so yes, that is the actual BD
BD is not wrapped up in an MKV container.
It's not the untouched ISO.
>It's not the untouched ISO.
No fricking shit. That's irrelevant for the purposes of this thread.
>Remux =/= Actual BD
are you moronic?
It was encoded from a 285MB HEVC.
no it wasn't, a 285M hevc encode can't even look that good
Cope.
>mkv
>dll logo
goode ole windows sieben
Don't watch this. It turns to shit three episodes in.
This
How long did it take to encode this? 2 days? 2 hours? Also, post your cpu+ram specs
I'm using a 6600K with 8GB RAM. It took around 2 hours using preset 2.
I can smell the curry coming from you Kumar
What makes you think that?
Using latest Waterfox Classic here
The video doesn't play but the audio does
Works on Brave 🙂
All Intel-based PCs with Arc graphics will have AV1 support.
>All Intel-based PCs with Arc graphics
I've yet to see an intel GPU that isn't garbage. The expectations for the discrete GPU are high...likely too high.
i could play genshit impact ~50fps medium on integrated intel 1080p. for the majority of people iGPU is more than enough now.
On a desktop, sure, but I've had throttling issues on every iGPU laptop I have used, and the overall compromises make it far less viable.
It's a shame, for I love how little bloat the drivers have, at least the old ones for Windows 7/8 as well as Linux.
it was on a cheap $300 gateway laptop. BIOS allows TDP unlocking to 30W which ran the game fine.
>i could play genshit impact
You could also have some taste and just don't play trash
there is not a single modern game that is not trash
Idk man i like playing mordhau quite a bit.
They are at about the level of high-end dGPUs from 12 years ago, of course while also supporting all the new stuff that's come out since then.
AMD's iGPUs are lightyears ahead, however.
>AMD's iGPUs are lightyears ahead
not really. Intel last updated iGPU with 11th gen (Xe), and up until the latest AMD 680M update everything prior was still Vega and was +/- 15% of Xe. 680M is 50-100% better than Xe now but that's only because Intel hasn't bothered updating the iGPU as they probably want to sell some of their new dGPUs.
After all the delays, I don't think anyone has particularly high expectations for Alchemist. It could be all they've promised and more, but... who cares? Once RDNA3 and Lovelace come out, 3070-tier performance will be lower mid-range at best.
adaptive speed smooth sync is interesting
Literally all PC's have "AV1 support", whats important is if it has hardware encoding/decoding.
because kodi 20 is only in alpha, and I also need to buy a new ARM SBC or Android TV that supports AV1 so I can replace my old ones
also I'm too lazy
Because I don't do transcodes. Web-DL is shit enough quality already and there's no reason to damage my BD remuxes either.
Just wait for someone to crack Netflix and download pure AV1.
That would be great.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/19344/intel-graphics-windows-dch-drivers.html
Update your Intel graphics drivers to June release when it comes out
Is this true?
>AV1 better than VVC at bearable speeds
VVC sisters... we lost.
VVC is literally DOA, nothing supports it even after several years
MPEG-LA BTFO
Is it true... Well no, because it clams it loses negative quality in some of those which means it regenerates lost pixels? Lmao
it's normalised to the quality level of "libaom - cpu0"
nowhere does it suggest higher-than-source quality
Software decoders are very intensive and hardware decoders are still few and far between.
That's quickly gonna change. Miners are going to flood the market with AV1 decoders.
I wish twitch/youtube adds support for live AV1 for big events like esports events or SpaceX shit or whatever.
The Twitch AV1 demo blew me away. I want it. I NEED MORE.
Umm sweetie, AV1 is not free. Google's propaganda machine is filling you with misinformation.
You going to post this in every thread? Do you want the same replies as well?
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/87222838/#q87243468
Yes, because it's hilarious.
Fair enough, it's obvious that free and open standards for things such as a codec is better. So have fun with the bait.
the amerimutt fallacy, classic
Oh shit, the MPEGLA shill is here
AV1 royalty-free
if i want to host AV1 content on my website, i don't need to pay anyone for the privilege
the comic is misunderstanding what about it is free
nobody is saying it was free to develop or that customers of the products the aomedia founders aren't effectively paying for its development through those products
it's free because others can use it freely without having to pay royalties to aomedia
Yep, and there is an incentive for all of these corporations to optimize it as much as possible because it will make them more money. AV1 is a win for both producer and consumer.
This comic is moronic. All those huge companies wouldn't bother to fund development of an independent codec if doing so wasn't (much) cheaper than paying royalities to mpeg israelites.
I don't pay for any of this.
MPEG is so broke they can't even hire proper artist for their marketing
>AV1 is increasingly being adopted
Nobody is using AV1 except israelitegle
HEVC is already adopted and in use by iOS, Android, Netflix, Disney+, ATSC 3.0, Blu-ray, Qualcomm, Intel, Nvidia, AMD
Anon I...
Do you also get paid in royalties?
Afaik Netflix used to use HEVC but they switched to VP9. Correct me if I'm wrong.
AV1 is being pushed by almost all of these already. Like I don't get why you want it to fail, it's a massive leap forward in technology.
because it's inferior to VVC
got a source for that? because it's way different to
https://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/blog/2019-05-av1-codec-streaming-processing-hevc-vvc
https://nabpilot.org/vvc-codecs-potential-in-broadcasting/
It's from 2019 and 2020. Anon is being a deceitful.
The real problem of VVC is lack of adoption due to patent hell, nothing relevant has adopted it 2 years after it was finished.
How is LC EVC doing? There's really nothing else like it.
>lack of adoption
Why lie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versatile_Video_Coding#Broadcast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versatile_Video_Coding#Software
ZERO ADOPTION FOR DEAD ON ARRIVAL FORMAT
Youtube, Twitch, Netflix, BILLIONS of viewers adopting AV1
Stay mad, MPEG SHILLS
Yeah yeah yeah you Black folk said the same thing about HEVC.
It will eventually be supported
In the meanwhile you can get test this file
https://nyaa.si/view/1484696
>It will eventually be supported
2 more weeks lmao
Cope
>It will eventually be supported
I highly doubt that.
Also the linked torrent contradicts your statement:
>As of now, NO player can decode VVC videos or xHE-AAC streams, so this method won’t be convenient, and that’s why you haven’t seen, and won’t see many VVC videos in the near future.
So can you tell me what video player I should install to watch VVC encoded videos?
netflix is a founding member of AOMedia, they've been rolling out AV1 for a couple years now
these companies are likely doing it specifically to get away from HEVC
>they've been rolling out AV1 for a couple years now
false
https://netflixtechblog.com/bringing-av1-streaming-to-netflix-members-tvs-b7fc88e42320
found this tool to find out what instructions a binary is using
https://github.com/pkgw/elfx86exts
> ./elfx86exts (which SvtVp9EncApp )
MODE64 (call)
AVX (vmovdqa)
NOVLX (vxorps)
CMOV (cmovle)
BMI2 (shlx)
CPU Generation: Unknown
here's mine, though since i'm using gentoo i have it enabling anything my cpu supports
my guess is binaries you find elsewhere will probably have AVX enabled though, which the phenom does not support due to its age, so you would have to compile your own without AVX if the code supports that
i hate IP sop much it's unreal
Sure, VVC is probably better, but if it goes the HEVC way, it'll only be used for 8k bluray and premium vod streaming, and because of patents lel can't be used in any browser.
It'll take years before there's a meaningful amount of 8k content (and affordable monitors), by then we'll have AV2 probably.
I've said this for so long now. How funny it is that VVC and the people behind it have driven basically every major corporation in the industry to create their own open standard. Even though h265 was used commercially I think it's what broke the camels back and sent AOM into hyperdrive to create something royalty-free. I wonder if the h265 and VVC royalty fees were more reasonable it would be worth it for all of the corporations to use it. But now that AV1 has taken off it's probably too late for the VVC.
exactly, all these companies
didn't make AV1 because they were happy with paying MPEG
>av1 finally kills torrents
please make it so
torrent boomers are intolerable
what does AV1 have to do with killing torrents?
i just torrented an AV1 encode of eva yesterday
Why would AV1 kill torrents? Just because AV1 is free doesn't mean streaming services are. People will be torrenting AV1 files. In fact, people are already torrenting AV1 files.
And are you serious about not liking torrents? You don't see the value in them?
>And are you serious about not liking torrents? You don't see the value in them?
torrents ruined piracy. used to have to idle in an irc channel for hours or days to get what you want, everyone was talking to each other, everyone knew their release groups.
then torrents happened and destroyed every community. private trackers kinda help cause they force people to share but the rest are just insufferable trash
>it's not social enough
as an autismo i'm glad i don't need to talk to people
that said, xdcc's still exist and you can still use them
i am old enough that i did used to download anime through irc/xdcc, and actually there's a books one i still use now sometimes
private tracker communities are full of mentally ill homosexuals who either never download anything and don't give half a shit about the tracker's content or people who are extremely autistic about seeding, who is or isn't part of the tracker, etc
you're not a teenager who gets by in high school by studying just a bit anymore, most people your age aren't NEETs willing to spend days to get shit that's already out there
Sounds like someone failed the RED interview
No, I just stopped using those trackers when I got a job. I'd rather waste my time watching YT instead.
>torrents ruined piracy
>The thing that has been there since nearly the beginning ruined this other thing that is a tightly knit part of it
Are you mentally deranged?
The average bloke on a AV1 thread should be at least a little
torrents have only been around for about half the time people have been pirating
to be fair to you though, if you mean only media piracy, then yea it's been around a considerable portion of the time that's been a thing
torrents are relatively new, way past being obsolete, and still used to peddle fed controlled vpns and other garbage to morons
case in point, look at how many people still use a mutorrent release from 2013 that's riddled with security holes all because it was good once. a decade ago.
Underage zoomer detected.
IRC/XDCC and Torrents were different and had their strengths and weaknesses.
Torrents are more suitable for mass downloading while IRC was more suitable for specific stuff when torrents stopped being seeded.
They still had the same downsides. If an XDCC bot stops working you're equally fricked.
>torrents ruined piracy
works for me
No one should see the value in av1 torrents, they look like shit and rape the cpu (if your device has hardware decoding then you should have enough money to buy more storage and get a proper release)
AV1 looks fine. The encoder and the source used is what's important.
My 10yo memepad can decode AV1 files fine because dav1d is pretty efficient.
there's a couple people itt that don't realise av1 has codecs far faster than the original reference aomenc (original because they've actually made svt-av1 the new reference codec)
playing a 1080p24 movie in AV1 on my low end 4 year old ryzen 3 2200g (dav1d software decoder) uses about 12-20% of the cpu depending on scene complexity
Way too high for mobile devices, aka, one the biggest markets this codec was made for. Don't get me wrong, it has potential, but it won't be mainstream for the next 4 or 5 years at least when AV1 hardware decoding is more common. A lot more common.
I know Netflix was delivering AV1 before to my phone because it got warm and the battery ran out quicker, almost 30% for a 2 hour movie, which is outrageous. They have stopped, since my phone now is freezing cold while watching any content and the same 2 hour movie drains less than 10%.
anything software decoded is too much for phones, even if they were fast enough (which they actually already are), it wouldn't be as energy efficient as a hardware solution
which is why hardware decoders are becoming available
this applies to any codec, so i'm not sure why it's being mentioned
>i'm not sure why it's being mentioned
You somewhat answered yourself. OP is about AV1 being increasingly more adopted, yet I still think it is years away of reaching even x265 levels of adoption. In part due to the lack of HW support in mobile devices.
most people replace their phones after a couple years, so that won't be a concern much longer
Software Decoding is garbage
Why have all this hardware and not being able to use it?
This is just like what happened with Web Browsers all over again
Kys israelite scum
I already grabbed a few av1 torrents from nyaa and we should be good to go c: now waiting for av1 hardware enconders.
Nyaa av1 encoders are particularly moronic
sure they are not good encodes but they are already usable and it disproves that homosexual crying about how av1 will kill piracy like a moron.
Well yeah, but idc about that guy. I'm just here to say AV1 still looks like shit and it's too early for pirates to adopt it.
does it? there was some dude talking about how some settings can make av1 especially good for anime in a past av1 thread and some anime encodes posted which honestly looked really good for the file size.
tranime runs at 5fps so it's dead easy to compress
It doesn't inherently look like shit. When you're not trying to push the limits for lowest bitrate it looks good while also being a low filesize. Source material is also crucial.
>sure they are not good encodes but they are already usable
how do I make good encodes?
slide from that intel av1 presentation, any insight into the clips they sourced, and why only four to five seconds?
>why only four to five seconds?
i can guess
videos are encoded in sections called GOPs (group-of-frames), each GOP is independent from one-another, and in most cases GOPs are only a few seconds long (though technically you can make them as long as you like, there is increasingly less advantage to doing that, and there are disadvantages to long GOPs as well)
what this means is that as far as testing is concerned, a video with multiple GOPs may as well be multiple videos
you only need a couple GOPs worth of content to test a kind of content well enough (a couple because you also want to see if the intra-refresh, the moment you switch to a new GOP, looks good itself as well)
just speculating of course, but that's what i imagine might be going on
I'll switch once it's ubiquitous. As it is now my family's smart TVs can hardware decode HEVC just fine, and groups have been encoding blurays in HEVC so it just makes sense. Whenever my family upgrades to equipment that can hardware decode AV1 and release groups do the same with bluray encodes, I'll make the switch too
I'd give it another 5-10 years
so many shills itt
how much of MPEG-LA royalties do you think go towards paying shills in these threads? 5 cents from every license?
AV1 shills do it for free
for me it's jpeg xl. the best codec and the only one with a viable upgrade path
Very cool, anon. Big fan of their raster-graphics format. But how does it relate to video files?
You could in theory replace AV1 keyframes with this, maybe? Might not be worth it, though.
the next major video card release (probably nvidia) will have AV1 hardware encoders built in. mark my words.
This shit again.
>Why haven't you taken the AV1 pill?
Don't know good encode settings. Tried various CRF and preset settings with SVT-AV1 and couldn't beat x265 without absolutely absurd encoding times (I needed 5x the time just to match x265).
https://twitter.com/IntelGraphics/status/1509186521953415179
Intel already has AV1 hardware encoder
If your GPU doesn't have AV1 hardware encoder, NGMI
Also MPEG SHILLS 90 million dollars poorer in royalty payments for DEAD ON ARRIVAL vvc garbage
I bet nvidia gets one in the 4000 series. the mpeg-la shills will be crying themselves to sleep
shoud I use av1 with mkv or webm?
WebM is fine if you aren't using anything outside of what it allows, it's literally a restricted subset of MKV.
twitch av1 support when
If I remember the twitch leak showed that they are working in getting av1 support pretty based.
now (limited)
that's just a demo
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/637388605
not available for anyone else yet
Is firefox being a little shit again?
Watched it day one, was one hell of an example.
The main issue is that Intel has no wide availability or anything giving a shit for their GPUs even if they were
AMD and Nvidia both need to push out encoders upcoming gen, otherwise Twitch won't do shit for the foreseeable future.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-30-series-av1-decoding/
We are working with Twitch on the next generation of game streaming. AV1 will enable Twitch viewers to watch at up to 1440p 120 FPS at 8mbps; a feasible bitrate that can reach most home-broadband and 5G users.
Yeah, Nvidia is gonna have AV1 hardware encoding later this year with Ada/Lovelace RTX 40 series
>Why haven't you taken the AV1 pill?
because you keep shitting these new formats out faster than i can add support in all my shit
Don't care. Still using Xvid.
based hyper boomer with his DVD rips
JPEG XL WILL BE VICTORIOUS. it's royalty free luckily
If AV1 is so good then why doesn't the M2 support it?
Watch safari not allow av1 videos for the next 20 years
Apple even refuses to add piss basic VP8 support, not 9, but old ass 8.
afaik literally only IQfy uses VP8
Point is that Apple only supports what it wants to, they don't seem to care for general compatibility.
Do they even support VP9? Surely they do, seeing YT uses it quite heavily these days.
to be fair, minimising what they technically support means minimising what they have to support, as in they don't need to worry about making that support work well or work securely if it's just not there at all
they're the complete opposite of something like a free software program which can just enable everything even if it barely works, because they aren't obligated to support it
things like windows people just install their own programs and microsoft can claim third party -- not supporting it, like does windows come with vp8 support? well it probably does actually, since it's a web standard and it would make no sense for a browser not to support it, but there's plenty of things windows doesn't support ootb, but people use on it anyway
point is apple is gay and should let others fill in the gaps like everyone else already does, not that i really care since it's no problem to just not buy apple products, i couldn't actually care less what they support, since it doesn't affect me at all
because HEVC is the standard, not your israelitegle codec
>free shit that is actually good -----------> your garbage that is only used by bluray Black folk
>preferring aac (not even fdk) over opus
literally for what purpose
>only used by blu-ray
>and Netflix
>and Disney
>and ATSC 3.0
>and iOS
>and Android
>and Qualcomm
>and Apple
>blu-ray
>ATSC
>as if they have any relevance
ATSC is mandatory on every TV you buy, so it's kind of relevant kek
webm is open format
hevc is proprietary
Why is AV1 so good, IQfy?
Beats HEVC in PSNR, SSIM and VMAF and doesn't afraid of anything
>Why is a newer product better than the old one?
well i'd hope so considering hevc is from 2013 and av1 from 2018
>Facebook/Meta codec
Am I going to have to take a picture of me holding today's newspaper like some sort of hostage before I can encode anything?
>Mentally moronation: The Post
Come on, tell us how much you love VCC so we can get it over with
>inTEL-AV1V
>AV1-P7 is roughly as fast as x264-VerySlow in my test, making things look similar ish, tho AV1 seems to have a advantage
>Still have 6 other presets to improve quality further, beating x264 out further
I like that SVT-AV1 isn't all or nothing regarding the encoding speed, giving you some neato freedom there.
>Provided the preset isn't too high (fast), even CRF 63 is still surprisingly usable
Pretty wild how small I can get 1080p60 gaming footage with this, but also weird that 63 is the highest I can go, meaning I have to fiddle with the framerate or resolution instead.
Here's my latest encode, any feedback? https://files.catbox.moe/wuxov5.mp4
why mp4 container?
aac maybe?
aac audio, I don't like opus
>I don't like opus
But por que?
seems like the algorithm tries to mimic the noise from the original, with varied results, not sure if that's fixable (other than giving it more bitrate)
>American sitcom with laughing track
Nope. Not torturing myself with that.
>anime
bump
Found some examples for ffmpeg, and also and why you should be sad for having ffmpeg v5.0 (without libsvtav1 patch), or older.
https://github.com/AOMediaCodec/SVT-AV1/blob/master/Docs/Ffmpeg.md
>Implying I didn't already had a custom ffmpeg build with SVT included for months
Is it worth re-encoding/transcoding x264 60fps content, or 4k (or both) high file size videos to x265/hevc or av1? Or not really?
It depends on your preferences about space savings and quality loss.
Whenever I’ve tried it I honestly cannot tell any quality was lost as long as I don’t try a very aggressive bitrate cap. Its more about is it worth my pc being busy for a long time and I’m concerned av1 software playback wont be good enough for 4k 60fps on my old 4790k or iphone
So feels like av1 is out for me, its is it worth going to hevc?..
Pretty much this
.
What I can tell you is that AV1 is works disgustingly well with 1440p60 footage. Managed to convert a 5 minute long clip of a bunch of different games down to just 35mb, keeping the resolution and framerate intact.
Mind you that this was at CRF 63, but it's still surprisingly watchable, so you can imagine what happens if you're using 40 or 30. The 35mb clip ended up with an average bitrate of 1000.
i found a copy of "Neon Genesis Evangelion - 1x24 - The Beginning and the End, or Knockin' on Heaven's Door [1080p][x265][bk]"
here's what that frame looks like
seems more detailed in the AV1 copy to me
There is literally more noise artifacts in the AV1 version you moron
i hope you're trolling, anon
There literally is more noise in the AV1 version you double Black person
Masterbait.
exactly, this isn't analog video, anon, more noise doesn't mean lower quality
in fact preserving a noisy picture is even harder for digital video compression to do
if you want your videos as small as possible, then you would use a denoising filter before encoding them
Is Evangelion meant to have film grain? What's the process of bringing old animation to Blu Rei?
yes, eva is old enough that it was done on literal film, 90's and older anime are done on film, because high quality digital mastering wasn't a thing that existed yet
Another thing, why do the videos have bloom, while this shot
looks clean? Have all published episodes always been with the bloom?
Nope because the noise in that AV1 version is very uneven. That's not how "analog video" or film ever worked.
It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
If you want to make a proper comparison then compare it to a real untouched BDRip.
I'm 100% sure that the HEVC encode will be closer to the actual Bluray.
Which codec to regular 4k Blu-Rays use when you play them on your 4k BR player?
It doesn't matter.
The Bluray was encoded by the company that released it so it's the reference material.
>i think most people can agree that grain that looks like the original grain is good enough to be called grain
Frick off with your pilpul you fricking israelite.
Most people are fine with watching Orange Bricks DBZ.
Passionate fans and videophiles can easily tell this bullshit.
>Remux
Don't bother.
It still wouldn't be a fair comparison.
The only way to make it a fair comparison is to download the real BDRip and then make HEVC and AV-1 encodes of it and compared all 3 to one another.
>pilpul
>jew
Oh look, it's the rapebaby coping again.
>Frick off with your pilpul you fricking israelite.
i don't know what that means
>Most people are fine with watching Orange Bricks DBZ.
i heard of that just recently, i don't recall what they did to them, just that they looked really fricking bad
>Passionate fans and videophiles can easily tell this bullshit.
do you have an issue with grain synthesis?
also, just so we're on the page, i'm not trying to claim one codec is better than another with the examples i've posted, i don't even know what the source of that hevc rip is, the GKIDS release is quite new, so it's unlikely it's even the same source as the AV1 encode uses
>do you have an issue with grain synthesis?
Any videophile would.
Nobody wants additional fake grain except braindead zoomers maybe.
it's not additional grain
the idea is that the codec profiles the grain the video has, then it degrains the video before encoding it, the grain is reconstructed based on how it was profiled during playback
the intention is only to produce a video with similar grain to the original, not more
and the reason to do this is because grain is random noise, which is hard (impossible) to compress, so encoding a degrained video and re-applying similar synthesised grain requires far less data to do than encoding the video as-is
sounds based
i think so, it means i can keep the grainy look without needing to keep remuxes
preserving grain is the hardest part, due to its random nature, it blew out your bitrate no matter what
you're talking about something else, while both involve synthesised grain, this is done only to match the original videos' look, not to add anything new or change how it's intended to look
look at the av1 and remux pictures i've taken, tell me the av1 copy has more grain or artistically different grain
it's technically no the same grain, but it is trying to be the same grain, just like any other lossy encoding technique turns an original component into an approximation of the original component
>this is done only to match the original videos' look
And it's done automatically by the encoder not by hand so the end result looks inaccurate.
It's still fricking with the file.
I don't like it.
Nobody asked for this DLSS garbage for videos.
the AV1 version there is using grain synthesis, so it's only based on the original grain, rather than being the original grain
that does complicate the comparison, but i think most people can agree that grain that looks like the original grain is good enough to be called grain
i'll download the remux of that episode for comparison, it could take a bit (it's 7GB)
It's kind of cheating if only one encoding has used synthetic grain. Any link to the BR rip? I want to try transcoding them myself.
>It's kind of cheating if only one encoding has used synthetic grain. Any link to the BR rip? I want to try transcoding them myself.
does hevc have grain synth capability?
it's only really unfair if they both support it but only one example is using it, otherwise it's just an advantage
remux is here;
https://nyaa.si/view/1500649
i believe the AV1 encode is made from this GKIDS release of eva as well
I don't know about HEVC, but I recall seeing it mentioned in the H264/AVC spec.
It's probably not as good, though.
This grain synthesis whatever it is is garbage.
Groups used to get laughed at for putting dupe grain in their releases.
i tried looking up "dupe grain" but i don't see an obvious answer
what is it? is it like when you try to stabilise grain so it's more still? i've tried that before, and i'm on the fence about it, while i do like to keep the grainy look, still grain feels quite different
of course, just deselect all but the file you want in your torrent client
It's fake grain. moronic hipsters used to put fake grain in releases because it wasn't "grainy" enough for their tastes.
Actual companies have been caught doing it too.
For example Funimation put in dupe grain in some parts of their DBZ Level Sets(which they discontinued like 2 sets in).
>189GB
Hot fricking damn. Can one download a single episode only?
>https://nyaa.si/view/1500649
codec?
What size is the hevc encode compared to AV1?
and before you say it's smaller, look at who i'm responding to, he's claiming this one is what the av1 copy was encoded from, i'm demonstrating only that it can't have been, as it doesn't even match the quality of the av1 version
>Exynos 2100, Exynos 2200
AV1 decoding
>Tensor 1, Tensor 2
AV1 decoding
>Snapdragon 888, Snapdragon 8 Gen1
no AV1 decoding
Remind me again, why do morons keep praising snapshit?
>Remind me again, why do morons keep praising snapshit?
Iirc. custom ROM support is far better for Qualcomm but i might be mistaken.
>about to enter the market
Soon™
is it better if i have an 11600k but only a gtx 1060?????
video encoding is entirely cpu based unless you are trying to stream video games
VVC will have better quality and be used by torrents and 8k blurays.
that's all that matters since I don't watch garbage web content or pay for overpriced streaming services like a pay pig
VVC is DoA. The only reason I still use HEVC is that TVs still support it.
Now that AV1 will be the standard and VVC is a patent nightmare like HEVC nobody will use it.
>patents
*Laughs in pirate*
it will really just depend what 8k blu rays decide to use. It might end up being VVC for raws and remuxes and then AV1 for web-dls and compact reencodes
It will be VVC because AV1 is dogshit for high bitrate encodes
fact check: true
>8k blu rays
Why do you people think 8k blu rays are going to be a thing?
4k blu rays are less accepted in the market than good ole DVDs
I honestly don't know if 8K will ever see any major adoption. Unless we get a streaming service exclusively for people with multi-gigabit connections, nobody is going to be able to stream 8K at any reasonable level of quality. You already can't in 4K most of the time.
>nobody is going to be able to stream 8K at any reasonable level of quality
>not having Gigabit FTTH
lmao are you american?
No support is the main problem. And the higher demands in encoding if you have no dedicated hardware. Not sure if my 6900 XT can do it, but my laptop certainly won't. Overall I still use H264 for smaller files because its quicker and H265 is usually only worth for high res content. It will be similar. It may become a standard in the future when devices age and having hardware en+decode will be common even in low end devices. It was the same for H265, it took a while before it became mainstream.
Unlikely since whatever advantages of VVC will be negated be the fact that everything will be compatible with AV1, we already have AV1 hardware decoders and encoders plus actual browser support this will even matter for torrents thanks to people with media servers which care about transcoding speed etc.
tldr VVC is DOA.
VP9 has more support than h265 yet isn't used at all in the torrent space
tldr you're full of shit
VP9 came too late and was barely supported early on. AV1 got a head start and is already seeing massive support.
>and is already seeing massive support.
Where?
Netflix is using it, all major GPU vendors sell decoders, consumer encoder scheduled soon, etc.
>no Apple support
>no Qualcomm support
>Adoption in TV market is SLOW
Literally no support where it matters. Who the frick cares about HW en-/decoders when you have a 32 Thread CPU lmao
We would be unbelievably lucky to get 8K disc releases of anything at all, using any codec.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/726609/intel-arc-graphics-windows-dch-driver.html
This download installs Intel Graphics Driver 30.0.101.1735 for Intel Arc A730M, A370M, and A350M Graphics.
Get ready for AV1 hardware encoding
x265 still just works.
the grain synth really sells it for me
i'm not terribly particular about picture accuracy, but i do love grain, which has previously forced me to use really high bitrate encodes
I really fricking hate the MPEG fricks, but VVC is great.
Best case scenario would be countries just declaring all codecs to be public domain and everyone using VVC without them getting a dime.
A man can dream.
Software patents are mostly a US thing.
AV2 will be better than VVC anyway.
Why the frick do you care about this shit so much? Literally hundreds of threads about the fricking video codecs. This shit is so dumb.
I want my videos to look better and be small
If the future is horribly bit starved streamshit, it better be in the best format possible. Current web-DLs look really bad.
There's people in Switzerland with 24 gigabit connections but it doesn't matter, nobody will ever stream that to you because it isn't accessible to poorgay morons.
My canuck internet is 780 megabit so it's already enough to be better than any UHD Bluray but nobody cares.
It will be 2040 before streaming catches up to current UHD Blurays. It's going to be a very dark era for home video.
if av1 is so good where's av2?
Right here
https://ottverse.com/av2-video-codec-evaluation/
When more moronic MPEG patents run out
Hopefully this. h264 is almost 20 years old now, and it would be neat to liberate it.
frick off shill
t. Sisvel
Shilling for what exactly? It's a royalty free codec.
>How dare you shill for FREE software!!
Better than being a cooperate shill for VCC you cuck
>Jewgle
>free
Why do you feel the need to shill it everyday? Most people don't produce video, they consume it. I don't care about AV1, but at the same time I'm not trying to stop it's adoption, I simply watch the video in whatever format the video is in and that's what the majority of people do.
why did you enter a thread about a topic you aren't interested in?
are we only allowed to talk about popular topics?
if nobody was interested, nobody would be in here talking about it, it would die off and nobody would bother making new threads
This thread literally gets posted everyday. Can't just ignore like that.
sure you can, just put mpeg and/or av1 in your filters, like;
/bav1b/i;op:only
if you don't do video encoding, picking codecs is something you don't even do, this is like entering a thread about wacom tablets and proclaiming that you don't draw at all
>if you don't do video encoding, picking codecs is something you don't even do, this is like entering a thread about wacom tablets and proclaiming that you don't draw at all
same applies to you, now what
except i do encode videos
are you claiming nobody here encodes videos?
>why did you enter a thread about a topic you aren't interested in?
Read the OP, brainlet:
>Why haven't you taken the AV1 pill?
You got an answer. Don't like getting answers to questions? Don't ask questions!
Dumbass. Thought you looked smart, didn't you.
Oh noez! How are the fake news and cape shit going to be delivered?!?!?! :O
>plot twist: I don't care
What audio codec is used most frequently in AV1?
usually opus from what i've seen, and why not, anything new enough to use av1 will have opus support as well, and it is the best audio codec
i'm not claiming it's suitable for archival or perfectionists, i do understand it is not the original grain
i don't see how that follows
i said it's the same video data, your post reads like a troll
>i said it's the same video data
Except there's no evidence for this.
Also I did some research and I found something out
This
and this
are two different releases by different groups.
Check the filenames.
They are also both sourced from different sources
This
is sourced from the North American release which came out in 2021
https://nyaa.si/view/1527343
This
is sourced from the JP Release
https://archive.org/details/neon-genesis-evangelion-1x-24-dc-the-beginning-and-the-end-or-knockin-on-heavens-door-1080px-265bk
I'm convinced whoever did the NA Bluray fricked up
>Except there's no evidence for this.
it's a remux, the only way it's not the same video data is if the torrent is lying about it being a remux
and yes, i'm aware that hevc video is from a different source, even the timestamp was a little different, i didn't bring that file up, someone else did, they claimed that file would be better, so i tracked down a copy to show that that's not the case
>it's a remux, the only way it's not the same video data is if the torrent is lying about it being a remux
That's the point I was making.
Also was reading the comments in that nyaa 189GB link and came across this gem in pic related.
I had no idea Evangelion's releases are such a mess.
I'm willing to bet that the old JP release is more accurate because of this.
if you think that's messy, this is nothing compared to what i've seen
if you think releases only get objectively better over time with no gotchas, well you're going to be pretty disappointed to find out that's not always the case
someone actually mentioned another example, an infamous dbz release
things get even jankier when you start comparing releases that have been reformatted from 4:3 to 16:9
Don't get me started on DB/DBZ
The best official release we still have is the JP Dragon Box from 2002
Fans had to leak the Broadcast Audio on Nyaa because Toei Black folk wouldn't accept Kei17's tapes.
Now some fans at Kanzenshuu and other sites are doing their own remaster or something.
nobody can top the cluster frick that is original trilogy star wars releases
now that's some above-and-beyond frickery
also, i did watch a good amount of dbz as a kid when it was originally broadcasting
is it actually worth watching as an adult? i've heard about that bad release, but know nothing else about the state of it as a whole
Wrong board
fair enough
The manga has always been better.
Problem is even there fricking Americans had their way and VIZ has never ever released an uncensored version with a proper translation.
The fan scanlations are okay and better than Viz but some parts(such as the King Piccolo saga) have garbage translations.
Anyways, Akira Toriyama in his prime was a godly artist see pic rel.
>I had no idea Evangelion's releases are such a mess.
It's the reason why the Platinum Collection got so expensive.
For a long time it was the only good version and it was out of print.
Ok, thanks
Opus is pretty harn darg tootin good
whats so good about it
Stereo Transparency at 128kbps
Low latency
not him but
- transparent at about 96-128kbps
- super low latency (default 20ms)
- very efficient multichannel (you can reasonably do 5.1 channel at like 256kbps)
- seamless support for both music and voice, legible voice down to 6kbps
>legible voice down to 6kbps
At that point you're approaching the point where codec2 is better at a lower bitrate.
I wonder what happens to synthesised grain when you reencode the video.
i assume it would just be treated as normal grain
it would be neat if there was a way to transfer the grain information through untouched and only re-encode the degrained video 'underneath', though i don't know enough about how it works technically to even know if that's possible at all
Next thread?
AV1 general maybe?
make one, maybe it will catch hiroshimoots attention so that he can add it like he did webms on iphones
I'm not knowledgeable enough to do a thread with the most used tools and cli commands.