The whole ruining any seriousness with one-liner jokes phenomenon is practically a characteristic of modern life and not just of Marvel movies or shitty millennial writing. I can’t be the only one who notices that nobody is ever serious about anything anymore.
A dishonest attempt at "breaking" new ground. Like pushing new ideas and concepts but without any substance or soul behind them.
One-sided shit flinging as well. They'll write certain groups in a positive light 24/7, while the others are the designated bad guys.
millenials were the ironic generation. nothing they do can be sincere. zoomers hate irony
if you are too sincere you will be ostracized, shunned, and possibly fired and blacklisted from working forever.
The whole ruining any seriousness with one-liner jokes phenomenon is practically a characteristic of modern life and not just of Marvel movies or shitty millennial writing. I can’t be the only one who notices that nobody is ever serious about anything anymore.
The name for this is "bathos." In ancient Greek theater, "bathos" was a technique for breaking the tension suddenly by disarming it with humor. There ARE some scenes in some stories that benefit from a clever use of bathos (especially, obviously, comedy films and comedy novels); however, millennials grew up with Disney even before Marvel. A lot of kid movies and Disney princess movies use bathos to hide sincere conflict from the audience and substitute it for a funny (but often cheap) one-liner, because it's easier for kids to digest a one-dimensional character. The writers at Disney, realizing that ironic humor appealed to millennial children, began introducing it into Marvel, but geared for the aging audience of Disney babies. The early Marvel movies had SOME bathos, but as time progressed they started using it a lot more, and became less and less sincere with each new release. The millennials who grew up watching Disney movies with bathos as children began watching Marvel movies as adults constructed around the same style of character-writing; the style of keeping the characters' sincerity buried beneath as many layers of irony as possible, lest the emotionally-immature audience find something in the character to complain about--something that challenges their own thoughts or beliefs and doesn't disarm the tension with a quip.
Millennials are afraid of baring their soul for the judgement of others, hence why they're rugged individualists whose motto is, "Don't judge."
11 months ago
Anonymous
Even this post is “millennial writing.” I’ve seen the whole “buried in layers of irony” / “poisoned by irony” so many times it’s become a cliche of its own among even self-critical people.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, I was being sincere. The phrase "buried in irony" is a common term; I wasn't claiming otherwise. I could just as easily claim that the phrase "millennial writing" which you just used is "cliche," therefore we should just throw the baby out with the bath water. I think you're projecting to avoid having an authentic discussion about it.
Do you have anything real to say about any of the points I made, or anything to expand upon?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I’ve seen posts like yours complain of irony without really offering anything clear meaning with the term. And your example of Disney to Marvel is really niche and nonsensical to people who have no idea what those are.
Other eras have had plenty of writing with “bathos” too. It’s not just millennials, but they seem to only write unseriously, as has been pointed out.
I don’t even read enough millennial writing to identify it in my own self critique, so maybe I’m not even quaified.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I did explain it. Irony itself is not inherently bad in writing, it's the constant use of it to disarm any and all conflict. To expand on that, the abuse of any literary device can be detrimental to character-writing.
Your other points are complete nonsense.
>"Here's an extremely popular example of the use of bathos in the mainstream." >"b-b-but what if I live under a rock and pretend not to understand your example?"
11 months ago
Anonymous
It’s a bad example. Not everyone is a Black person who knows what marvel goyslop is like.
11 months ago
Anonymous
10 months ago
Anonymous
>it’s bait
Using marvel/disney Black personcattle pop culture slop as examples for insincere writing is peak millennial reasoning, though. You cannot escape.
10 months ago
Anonymous
compare Marvel movies how to the 2003 Hulk film.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Cape shit then, cape shit now. No difference.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Absorbing man was visually impressive but the overly philosophical director did not have the action focus for HULK. You sell kids toys. You need to look in the camera and say HULK SMASH to sell giant foam fists not invoke Socrates. Absorbing man would have been great to philosophize with Spiderman or Mr Fantastic. It would have been a better story if it simply had General Ross as Red Hulk destroy the military and his career by losing his cool on the job and then the hulks trying to kill each other while emotionally vulnerable not powered by anger. Instead we got handsome random dead eyes actor Bruce Banner fight vague CGI weather after the coolest military jump chase.
Norton's Hulk was DOGSHIT. Abomination was boneless chicken fried hulk. Hulk would be incredible as a standalone film where the only other power monster is another Hulk thus raising the stakes for the other MCU capes.
10 months ago
Phonefag
I needed to reread this before posting about the Hulk movies
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, the psychology of Banner and Hulk is much more interesting as a focus. You have an emotionally repressed nerd—a nice departure from simply the autistic or whatever. Banner is suffering from the trauma of his mother being stabbed in front of his eyes. This trauma is something he represses and covers up by stunting and strong emotions. He can’t have relationships or interact, he is just super anal retentive and as you said, dead. He has compartmentalized his emotion from boyhood (and even as a boy before the trauma his mother notes his weird apathy). All that is buried and when it comes out, it manifests as Hulk, who is the little boy outraged at seeing his mother killed and unable to do anything. This dynamic with his dad is very well done (since his dad killed his mother). Also his “dead” relationship with his gf is super interesting: she left him because he acts like a corpse but as Hulk, all his protective devotion for her can suddenly be expressed. Banner in the story functions as a counterpart to the Hulk in and makes each psychologically necessary to the other. The action scenes then become an outward manifestation of the unconscious. The Hulk is Banner’s unconscious made flesh and Banner is, as his father says, a husk: he is the perfect and compliant robot who achieves but has no meaning for his life except to be an ideal scientist. And Banner’s struggle to come to terms with Hulk, and vice versa, is the central conflict of the story. So that at the conclusion, with Banner as a fugitive in South America, he is finally a whole man despite his transformations
>militant rhetoric against religion in general but almost exclusively against christianity in particular >a veneration of the pop culture understanding of science as a pseudo-religious form of the abstract Good >political posturing and soapboxing, completely mainstream opinions presented as courageous jeremiads, a dehumanization of people who disagree with the author's views >a palpable, often outright vocalized discomfort with anything to do with non-ethnic working class people and rural life
Europe is getting rid of Christianity. Right now most Europeans are either atheist or agnostic, which has led to the expansion of LGBT, state power, increase in crime, and overall pseudoscience taking the place of reason. How's secular France doing right now?
1. Lazy humor, not even dumb humor, just lazy mechanic type of humor.
2. Entitled protagonist who's treated like if they do wrong it's everyone else's fault.
3. No male characters, only soiboys.
4. Excessive millenial moron-speak and corny redditor lines put into every character's mouth.
5. Deus ex machina plot resolution.
>grasping anything more sophisticated than loud noises.
if thats true then how come they cant grasp low battery smoke detector chirps
11 months ago
Anonymous
two possible explanations:
1)that smoke battery alarm sounds like the scuff of a basketball shoe on wood, so it fades into background noise for them
2) it just sounds like a quieter police siren so naturally they ignore it and hope it goes away
Female characters always have to be this extremely two dimensional caricature of tough women, they must constantly try to emasculate the male characters around them, and they can never lose against a male character in a fair fight with no tricks or gimmicks. If they ever show interest in a male character they must take on the masculine role in that relationship.
>they must constantly try to emasculate the male characters around them
Frick that's kind of hot... I want that to happen to me honestly. Where can I read something like that? I wanna make it happen so bad. Frick. Life is so fricking hard.
I didn't mean emasculation in a literal sense, but these constant attempts at putting down male characters and wienerblocking male characters from acting masculine.
A dishonest attempt at "breaking" new ground. Like pushing new ideas and concepts but without any substance or soul behind them.
One-sided shit flinging as well. They'll write certain groups in a positive light 24/7, while the others are the designated bad guys.
Reddit. Basically using a lot of words such as shitty, weird, gross, icky, lots of profanity, and talking down to you "the bar is on the floor" "do better" "it's called being a fricking decent humam being"
The most millennial trait is to dislike religion and metaphysics but to still believe in morality—and be completely unaware about how you believe it with faith.
Millenial writting is the unholy child of Tarantino and Marvel. It is characterized by swearing, irony, vague commemt about things loke student debt, social media and its slangs, capitalism and social justice.
Imagine the scene when Vincent and Jules are talking about McDonalds but every other sentence they say zingers like "that's capiatlism for ya"
Insecure appeals to group consensus without any thinking. No ideas or situations are explored at all since that would need some deviation from the established consensus.
The goal is to make the reader feel good about themselves as a brainwashed moron that can't think. If you present something alternative or thought provoking the target reader would get angry.
Reading over this, it's clear you guys have no idea what you even mean by millennial writing. Just a vague sense of undefined "le woke"
It's another name for the same thing the troony meme references. If these trends don't make you physically ill you are in fact a troony and an idiot who will never understand anything.
>Insecure appeals to group consensus without any thinking
I have noticed that twitter people often speak in terms of the collective and talk like they are asking for permission to acknowledge something. They uses phrases like these a lot: >Can we talk about >Are we just going to ignore how >Is it ok if >Say it with me
I have noticed that anglophones on twitter and Reddit can't state what they believe without some prefatory phrase like "I love how/that ...", "It's funny that ..." etc. Is this some sort of attempt at humility? Is it rude to be direct?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Individuality in intellectual or spiritual affairs, that is to say, diversity of thought, makes the newer generations extremely uncomfortable. It's only permitted expression in especially cordoned-off dimensions like the sexual. Troons are a direct symptom of the encroaching hivemind.
every sentence that should come off as genuine being veiled behind irony because sincerity is a foreign concept, and having to needlesly swear in every other sentence in an effort to be funny or sound mature
Wasn't Joss Whedon the Quip King that really made the Marvel movies synonymous with that kind of writing? He was born in '64.
I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, I just think that's interesting.
Nothing wrong with quips if they are kept within the reasonable and fit with the tone of the work. Problem is nowadays everything has to be a quip-fest because that's what appeals to the reddit crowd.
self gratifying 'cleverness'
chosen one trope but no hero's journey structure
some kind of extremely superficial aesthetic but no themes related to it (cyberpunk et al)
anti-establishment or really anti any idea from more than 50 years ago
Anything by Sam Pink. I read part of White Ibis and had to put it down after he mentioned something about dressing up in a super epic dinosaur costume. Shit's lame.
Like Hollywood, there are barely any millennial writers getting published now because the industries are dominated by Gen Xers who have yet to allow millennials or zoomers to enter. The smallest barrier to entry is vidya so there are more examples there.
>instantly both axiomatically disgusted and sexually aroused by the israeli protagonist
We are complex beings.
But, for real, the way that filthy c**t turns on a dime from celebrating her success (despite the fact that her friend is uncomfortably embarrassed by her "almost naked" photograph) to selfishly asking how her friend can betray her need for companionship by marrying a man, is both a pitch-perfect depiction of the utterly selfish israelite/woman perspective, and completely fricking revolting.
1488/6000000; would rape to death before tossing her into an oven
The zoomers I know are even more ironic than millennials. There is no practical difference between millennials and zoomers. They were both internet children, grew up on social media, video games, porn, and other videos that float around the internet that they should have never seen. That one prefers Reddit and the other TikTok so they dress and speak differently is basically unimportant. All of them are ultra-ironic way too silly and childish and overly emotional as a way of coping.
I am half-sure that a ton of the weird fiction writen by urban boys, those books with dumb pseudo poetic titles about how hard being filipino-german is or something, fall directly into this category. Wont ever read one of those tho: they all look boring.
raised by TV programs full of sarcastic smart ass characters aimed at their demographic and the internet hall-o-mirrors made everyone too self-aware and neurotic to the point of paralysis and withdrawl to the cover of cynicism and irony and that's on top of the legitimate reasons to feel disillusioned with idealism after Vietnam/70s
I feel I can't even be sincere here either.
Everyone gets asshurt about people they don't know, things they barely understand. Do we all fear we are derivative? From the people who love status quo to people that despise it?
I am sick of irony and I am sick of being loathed for wanting to be sincere and I am fricking so tired of performative bullshit EVERYWHERE. There is no answer to it than to be a hypocrite. Our culture is so immature it makes me want to vomit daily.
>constant swearing (including made up words, "creative insults"like "badassery" "fricking shitballs on a frickstick". playground language mixed with swearing) >quirky, condescending, sarcastic delivery >loud=funny >annoying=funny >childish language "icky" "yucky" "yikes" "my dude" >"subtle" allegory/critiques of depression/capitalism/literally anything >pop culture obsession as identity, twitter jokes, quips >humour stuck in 2010 >awkward references to politics or capitalism, weird random exposition that reads like an out of context twitter post
I'm a late millennial and I basically don't relate to this generation at all. They are like weird alien freaks to me. I just do my own thing really. I don't feel like a part of any generation.
>millennial this >millennial that
These generational categories are meaningless, only the boomer group has any real demographic point to it. But do you people really think Ernest Cline and Randy Pitchford and the writers of all those awful Marvel films are millennials? Sally Rooney embodies "peak millennial writing", not 50 year old pop-culture cuckolds like Cline.
>Sincerity for IQfy means being racist and mysoginist 24/7 and also being Christian >Meanwhile reddit sucks transBlack person wiener and calls it being a fricking decent human being, my brother in Christ.
Where is the middle ground?
>the middle ground between Christianity, pointless edge, and deepthroating progressive ideals
You'll find it on Facebook or anywhere else full of boomers. >I hate my wife, lol! >Also, we have to let millions of Mexicans in because Jesus said so >and also because if the price of strawberries goes up anymore I'm going to have a meltdown in a Walmart
It's yet another coping mechanism for a depressing and dull existence. What's different is that this flavor of escapism comes with some politics and pop culture references.
What would be the chud/conservative equivalent? Maybe the turner diaries?
>I’m not sure
This would lead the insincere to think you were more sincere then them but it is not. You don’t have to question if you’re being honest and that’s all it really means.
Being true to who you are. We’re all insincere at moments, society prefers us to not point out when someone makes a spelling error or says the wrong name in passing or really any faux pas, and if we stifle ourselves because of it in that moment we’re being insincere.
But this isn’t a wholly encompassing thing and you can strive to be honest and earnest in other ways. This doesn’t mean uncompromising, of course, because it is within us all to compromise to some degree, and with some degree of regularity, but it means to not be bending to appease or placate or impress but rather because it’s how you genuinely feel.
How many in this thread have actually read a single book written by a "millennial" author? And I'm talking about literary fiction, not the genre trash that has been produced by every generation since the birth of the novel. It sounds like you're all just reading twitter and playing video games.
>uhh check your privilege sweaty, because other things exist this dominant trend associated with an era doesn't exist
every sentence that should come off as genuine being veiled behind irony because sincerity is a foreign concept, and having to needlesly swear in every other sentence in an effort to be funny or sound mature
>sincerity is a foreign concept
They learned from their insane environment that they'll be judged and "corrected" for presenting anything as their actual opinion so they preemptively ask what the right opinion to have is on any subject. This makes them unable to relate to anyone who actually thinks, which is needed to write interesting characters with backbones.
All right, we've finally established that the "millennial" category has nothing to do with birth-years or generational cohorts or marketing schemes, but is actually a state of mind or perhaps a personality type to which anyone could belong. Great work.
Behold this post and weep. This is how moronic millennials actually are.
>Behold this post and weep. This is how moronic millennials actually are.
All I see in this thread is the pathetic ejaculations of homosexuals like yourself. You're weeping over twitter nonsense, compose yourself.
In all honesty this thread has some very nice critiques. You are either a seething homosexual that associates with the type of people we are describing or youre a woman either way suck a troony wiener
All right, we've finally established that the "millennial" category has nothing to do with birth-years or generational cohorts or marketing schemes, but is actually a state of mind or perhaps a personality type to which anyone could belong. Great work.
>music
Music in the modern sense honestly is not in any way shape or form on par with IQfy and or film. A compositional piece of a orchestral composer does compare with film and literature. But modern music is just Tavernal poetry with some feel good sounds mixed in
I am not like this type of millennial at all. in fact i think it's a gross overcharacterization of our generation. these are software engineer mark zukerberg types. literally not one of the people i know are like this.
>mark zukerberg
The FB movie, and it's story from the various perspectives would be a good nomination for essential millennial-core.
A Britney Spears/ Mickey Mouse Club history would also be readable and offer something valuable.
I think we still have to wait a few more years to get our first literary fiction type novel from a millennial.
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Book Ends Literary Agency: >This is your semi-annual reminder that while I'm looking for diversity and own voices across the board, I am particularly interested in seeing submissions in the mystery and historical romance genres. Please send! #mswl
Knight Agency: >Really want to find queer teen lit.
P.S. Literacy Agency: >“Young Adult: LGBTQ+ rom com, psychological horror, a new take on vampires, a girl in a rock band, an eerie mystery.”
KT Literacy >#ownvoices#marginalizedvoicesfriendship-based adventure a la Goonies, please! #MG #YA #amquerying #amwriting
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Elana Roth Parker >I have never stopped looking for Black voices to add to my list of authors. If you write fun, escapist stories for MG or YA, I'm here! Currently hungry for rom-coms and light fantasy, but open to an adventure.
Lynnette Novak >Seeking: manuscripts from POC, diverse authors,#LGBTQ,#OwnVoices, & all voices that have been silenced but NEED to be heard. I support you & want to share your stories with the world.
have anons finally started to realize they're the problem and not the boomers, zoomers, doomers and so on? millennials really are the most obnoxious and limp-wristed generation.
Written by Gen X-ers. The last soulful people when it comes to writing. There is an actual sense of wonder and honesty in their work which millennials don't understand on a deeper level.
>Write a soulcrushing novel >Go to publisher >They all say they are not looking for something so serious and filled with emotion
A plague upon literature. One can only hope the next generation of publishers won't keep the same taste.
Most great writers cannot be millennials. Great writers are all in their 50s or 40s, and even the oldest Millennials are barely in their 40s.
We need to wait 20 years to get an idea of what Millennial writers are like. Currently, all fiction Millennial and later generations consume is written by Boomers or Gen X.
Most Great Writers didn't necessarily begin writing at those ages. From what we have seen already however, no millennial has shown the beginnings of being a Great Writer. Everything they produce is like everyone has already mentioned in this thread. Utterly soulless.
We have seen nothing, because Millennials only started being born in the 80s. You need to work your way up in the entertainment industry before you get to lead the big projects.
>The oldest millennials are 43yo and the youngest ones are at least 30
We have seen enough.
10 months ago
Anonymous
According to the consensus of sociologists the cutoff year is 1996. So they would be 27 at the youngest. I think that's bullshit, personally, and think it makes total sense to assume the start year for Gen Z is 2000. Regardless, I don't think there are any breakaway writers from Gez Y, especially of the male variety. Chicklit and chickfantasyya aren't literature.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Tomatoe tomato but I understand. Yea I don't expect them to change either because of the current profit models but it is very sad in a way.
Not even the beginning of it. Wait at least ten years.
We will see but I am very doubtful that those who have not shown the beginnings of being great will somehow end up being great. One or two might have something interesting to say ofc.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Not even the beginning of it. Wait at least ten years.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Name a single author who wrote a masterpiece before their mid to late 40s.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Joyce finished Ulysses at 40 and already had Portrait and Dubliners written (The Dead being the best short story ever written arguably). Schopenhauer had The World as Will written at 26?
10 months ago
Anonymous
I think Rimbaud didn't write a single poem after turning 21 or so and he's considered an icon of French poetry. What did the average anon accomplish at fricking 21?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Faulkner-his big 4 novels >Hemingway-TSAR, AFTA, In Our Times >Lawrence-Sons and Lovers, The Rainbow >Mann-Buddenbrooks >Henry Miller-Tropic of Cancer >Flaubert-Madame Bovary >Nietzsche-Zarathustra
Just off the top of my head
10 months ago
Anonymous
The youngest are 23, or so.
According to the consensus of sociologists the cutoff year is 1996. So they would be 27 at the youngest. I think that's bullshit, personally, and think it makes total sense to assume the start year for Gen Z is 2000. Regardless, I don't think there are any breakaway writers from Gez Y, especially of the male variety. Chicklit and chickfantasyya aren't literature.
>According to the consensus of sociologists the cutoff year is 1996.
Yeah, and they're dumb. Strauss and Howe have the cut-off as around 2004 and they're seminal in generational theory. One of them even coined the term Millennial. Even think about the term and its relation to the turn of the millennium -- which assuredly doesn't begin with 1997.
It's so weird how Gen Y is the only generation I can think of where people incessantly change its range, especially to make it shorter and shorter. I've even see people cut it off at 95. Millennial/Gen Y was the current gen through the entirety of the 90s and articles from then even reference it as such.
I don't know. It's just weird to me how Gen Y is the one afflicted so heavily with this date-frickery. I always cut it off at 2000 since it's the new millennium and consider Millennials as the last generation born prior to the turn of it. It's the simplest reasoning; whereas the other changing around has basically none since it's always fluctuating.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Recently 1990-1994 are trying to get themselves kicked out of millennial and into some in-between classification. I don't think they belong in Gen Y anyway. If you were in your 20s in the early 2000s, you're quintessential millennial. It's not that hard.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Shut up, I'm a zillenial.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If you were in your 20s in the early 2000s, you're quintessential millennial.
'79 here, always counted as gen x
10 months ago
Anonymous
If you were too young to understand 9/11 when it happened, then you are not a millennial. That's all it is. Cutoff is '96.
What would you consider some traits of millenial writing? i'd say lack of sincerity and incessant usage of marvel-esque "quips", besides that?
Use of soibonics
I don’t watch marvel movies. What is a “quip?”
A quip is just a "witty remark". But marvel specifically is notorious for ruining any serious moment with generic one-liners,
The whole ruining any seriousness with one-liner jokes phenomenon is practically a characteristic of modern life and not just of Marvel movies or shitty millennial writing. I can’t be the only one who notices that nobody is ever serious about anything anymore.
The name for this is "bathos." In ancient Greek theater, "bathos" was a technique for breaking the tension suddenly by disarming it with humor. There ARE some scenes in some stories that benefit from a clever use of bathos (especially, obviously, comedy films and comedy novels); however, millennials grew up with Disney even before Marvel. A lot of kid movies and Disney princess movies use bathos to hide sincere conflict from the audience and substitute it for a funny (but often cheap) one-liner, because it's easier for kids to digest a one-dimensional character. The writers at Disney, realizing that ironic humor appealed to millennial children, began introducing it into Marvel, but geared for the aging audience of Disney babies. The early Marvel movies had SOME bathos, but as time progressed they started using it a lot more, and became less and less sincere with each new release. The millennials who grew up watching Disney movies with bathos as children began watching Marvel movies as adults constructed around the same style of character-writing; the style of keeping the characters' sincerity buried beneath as many layers of irony as possible, lest the emotionally-immature audience find something in the character to complain about--something that challenges their own thoughts or beliefs and doesn't disarm the tension with a quip.
Millennials are afraid of baring their soul for the judgement of others, hence why they're rugged individualists whose motto is, "Don't judge."
Even this post is “millennial writing.” I’ve seen the whole “buried in layers of irony” / “poisoned by irony” so many times it’s become a cliche of its own among even self-critical people.
No, I was being sincere. The phrase "buried in irony" is a common term; I wasn't claiming otherwise. I could just as easily claim that the phrase "millennial writing" which you just used is "cliche," therefore we should just throw the baby out with the bath water. I think you're projecting to avoid having an authentic discussion about it.
Do you have anything real to say about any of the points I made, or anything to expand upon?
I’ve seen posts like yours complain of irony without really offering anything clear meaning with the term. And your example of Disney to Marvel is really niche and nonsensical to people who have no idea what those are.
Other eras have had plenty of writing with “bathos” too. It’s not just millennials, but they seem to only write unseriously, as has been pointed out.
I don’t even read enough millennial writing to identify it in my own self critique, so maybe I’m not even quaified.
I did explain it. Irony itself is not inherently bad in writing, it's the constant use of it to disarm any and all conflict. To expand on that, the abuse of any literary device can be detrimental to character-writing.
Your other points are complete nonsense.
>"Here's an extremely popular example of the use of bathos in the mainstream."
>"b-b-but what if I live under a rock and pretend not to understand your example?"
It’s a bad example. Not everyone is a Black person who knows what marvel goyslop is like.
>it’s bait
Using marvel/disney Black personcattle pop culture slop as examples for insincere writing is peak millennial reasoning, though. You cannot escape.
compare Marvel movies how to the 2003 Hulk film.
Cape shit then, cape shit now. No difference.
Absorbing man was visually impressive but the overly philosophical director did not have the action focus for HULK. You sell kids toys. You need to look in the camera and say HULK SMASH to sell giant foam fists not invoke Socrates. Absorbing man would have been great to philosophize with Spiderman or Mr Fantastic. It would have been a better story if it simply had General Ross as Red Hulk destroy the military and his career by losing his cool on the job and then the hulks trying to kill each other while emotionally vulnerable not powered by anger. Instead we got handsome random dead eyes actor Bruce Banner fight vague CGI weather after the coolest military jump chase.
Norton's Hulk was DOGSHIT. Abomination was boneless chicken fried hulk. Hulk would be incredible as a standalone film where the only other power monster is another Hulk thus raising the stakes for the other MCU capes.
I needed to reread this before posting about the Hulk movies
Nah, the psychology of Banner and Hulk is much more interesting as a focus. You have an emotionally repressed nerd—a nice departure from simply the autistic or whatever. Banner is suffering from the trauma of his mother being stabbed in front of his eyes. This trauma is something he represses and covers up by stunting and strong emotions. He can’t have relationships or interact, he is just super anal retentive and as you said, dead. He has compartmentalized his emotion from boyhood (and even as a boy before the trauma his mother notes his weird apathy). All that is buried and when it comes out, it manifests as Hulk, who is the little boy outraged at seeing his mother killed and unable to do anything. This dynamic with his dad is very well done (since his dad killed his mother). Also his “dead” relationship with his gf is super interesting: she left him because he acts like a corpse but as Hulk, all his protective devotion for her can suddenly be expressed. Banner in the story functions as a counterpart to the Hulk in and makes each psychologically necessary to the other. The action scenes then become an outward manifestation of the unconscious. The Hulk is Banner’s unconscious made flesh and Banner is, as his father says, a husk: he is the perfect and compliant robot who achieves but has no meaning for his life except to be an ideal scientist. And Banner’s struggle to come to terms with Hulk, and vice versa, is the central conflict of the story. So that at the conclusion, with Banner as a fugitive in South America, he is finally a whole man despite his transformations
Hulk smashing Loki into the floor in the first Avengers movie was the exact moment that western culture died.
Explain.
All zoom zoom writers are going to be troon's.
>troon's.
Awful use of apostrophe.
>militant rhetoric against religion in general but almost exclusively against christianity in particular
>a veneration of the pop culture understanding of science as a pseudo-religious form of the abstract Good
>political posturing and soapboxing, completely mainstream opinions presented as courageous jeremiads, a dehumanization of people who disagree with the author's views
>a palpable, often outright vocalized discomfort with anything to do with non-ethnic working class people and rural life
rhetoric against religion in general but almost exclusively against christianity in particular
Based. Europe should rid itself of weakness
You're an idiot if you think that anything better will come in it's stead of they're to have their way.
Yeah bro Europe got so BASED after it became less Christian.
Europe is getting rid of Christianity. Right now most Europeans are either atheist or agnostic, which has led to the expansion of LGBT, state power, increase in crime, and overall pseudoscience taking the place of reason. How's secular France doing right now?
Found the millennial
Hint: it’s not about the Bible, it’s about the fish frys
1. Lazy humor, not even dumb humor, just lazy mechanic type of humor.
2. Entitled protagonist who's treated like if they do wrong it's everyone else's fault.
3. No male characters, only soiboys.
4. Excessive millenial moron-speak and corny redditor lines put into every character's mouth.
5. Deus ex machina plot resolution.
Wholesome humour and pretending that you enjoy it when 15 years ago you were making Black person jokes on Something Awful.
Actually, I'd say that this sort of absurdist high IQ humor is virtually exclusively white.
Darkies have a hard time grasping anything more sophisticated than loud noises. The internet sent to shit when mobile phones let the brown hordes in
>dude it's like Hot Pockets... but Cold! AHAHAHAHAHA Oh my Darwin is my IQ high
>grasping anything more sophisticated than loud noises.
if thats true then how come they cant grasp low battery smoke detector chirps
two possible explanations:
1)that smoke battery alarm sounds like the scuff of a basketball shoe on wood, so it fades into background noise for them
2) it just sounds like a quieter police siren so naturally they ignore it and hope it goes away
>You just don't find it funny because YOU'RE A Black person
>obvious "what if opposite" joke
>lazy editing
Truly the white man's humor is unmatched
that tweet is insufferable
Female characters always have to be this extremely two dimensional caricature of tough women, they must constantly try to emasculate the male characters around them, and they can never lose against a male character in a fair fight with no tricks or gimmicks. If they ever show interest in a male character they must take on the masculine role in that relationship.
Well written. Deserving of a (you).
>they must constantly try to emasculate the male characters around them
Frick that's kind of hot... I want that to happen to me honestly. Where can I read something like that? I wanna make it happen so bad. Frick. Life is so fricking hard.
I didn't mean emasculation in a literal sense, but these constant attempts at putting down male characters and wienerblocking male characters from acting masculine.
A dishonest attempt at "breaking" new ground. Like pushing new ideas and concepts but without any substance or soul behind them.
One-sided shit flinging as well. They'll write certain groups in a positive light 24/7, while the others are the designated bad guys.
A childish way of acting. Any act is infantilized. Also this weird need to dramatize mundane events. Using phrases like "Frick... my... life...".
A lot of references to other media
Knowing how whole story goes after reading the first chapter, save for a couple of forced and insufferable """twists""".
Reddit. Basically using a lot of words such as shitty, weird, gross, icky, lots of profanity, and talking down to you "the bar is on the floor" "do better" "it's called being a fricking decent humam being"
post-post-irony. it's okay to be an annoying c**t as long as you're self aware about it
Do millennial writers even exist?
In the sense that they write for their job, yes. Beyond that? Absolutely not.
Ratio.
The most millennial trait is to dislike religion and metaphysics but to still believe in morality—and be completely unaware about how you believe it with faith.
>science says so and experts agree!
Reading over this, it's clear you guys have no idea what you even mean by millennial writing. Just a vague sense of undefined "le woke"
The defining trait of millennial writing seems to be that it's not actually written by millennials.
Millenial writting is the unholy child of Tarantino and Marvel. It is characterized by swearing, irony, vague commemt about things loke student debt, social media and its slangs, capitalism and social justice.
Imagine the scene when Vincent and Jules are talking about McDonalds but every other sentence they say zingers like "that's capiatlism for ya"
Insecure appeals to group consensus without any thinking. No ideas or situations are explored at all since that would need some deviation from the established consensus.
The goal is to make the reader feel good about themselves as a brainwashed moron that can't think. If you present something alternative or thought provoking the target reader would get angry.
It's another name for the same thing the troony meme references. If these trends don't make you physically ill you are in fact a troony and an idiot who will never understand anything.
>Insecure appeals to group consensus without any thinking
I have noticed that twitter people often speak in terms of the collective and talk like they are asking for permission to acknowledge something. They uses phrases like these a lot:
>Can we talk about
>Are we just going to ignore how
>Is it ok if
>Say it with me
Twitter's a platform for consensus-seeking journalists and right-wing grifters, it doesn't represent any real part of the population.
I have noticed that anglophones on twitter and Reddit can't state what they believe without some prefatory phrase like "I love how/that ...", "It's funny that ..." etc. Is this some sort of attempt at humility? Is it rude to be direct?
Individuality in intellectual or spiritual affairs, that is to say, diversity of thought, makes the newer generations extremely uncomfortable. It's only permitted expression in especially cordoned-off dimensions like the sexual. Troons are a direct symptom of the encroaching hivemind.
Overreliance on common tropes from television shows, movies, and other pop cultural visual mediums.
Over-emphasis on having "plot-twists".
every sentence that should come off as genuine being veiled behind irony because sincerity is a foreign concept, and having to needlesly swear in every other sentence in an effort to be funny or sound mature
Wasn't Joss Whedon the Quip King that really made the Marvel movies synonymous with that kind of writing? He was born in '64.
I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, I just think that's interesting.
Nothing wrong with quips if they are kept within the reasonable and fit with the tone of the work. Problem is nowadays everything has to be a quip-fest because that's what appeals to the reddit crowd.
If you can ctrl+f and find “problematic” you can safely guess the person is a latter-half millennial.
self gratifying 'cleverness'
chosen one trope but no hero's journey structure
some kind of extremely superficial aesthetic but no themes related to it (cyberpunk et al)
anti-establishment or really anti any idea from more than 50 years ago
Rejection of all forms of masculinity and a reverence for a false idol of femininity.
>AN ANCIENT ENEMY RETURNED!!!
>Lord Dyeus take this shudra to the bog and have him sacrificed
anime fanfic
ready player one
there are no male millennial writers.
Tao Lin, Sam Pink, Noah Cicero, Jordan Castro, Scott McClanahan. To name a few...and the guy who wrote butt plug jesus.
Nobody posts the video because they guy who made it is literally playing a videogame while talking.
Ready Player One
Thoroughly gen x
Anything by Sam Pink. I read part of White Ibis and had to put it down after he mentioned something about dressing up in a super epic dinosaur costume. Shit's lame.
Perdido Street Station
Nah that's worse - that's a millenial women youtuber writing
Scalzi
Wendig
Like Hollywood, there are barely any millennial writers getting published now because the industries are dominated by Gen Xers who have yet to allow millennials or zoomers to enter. The smallest barrier to entry is vidya so there are more examples there.
>“we did a thing”
This and "adulting" are my least favorite phrases ever uttered.
Ready Player One and it's not close
*tips*
hello, fellow Cracked readers
Oh god I remember that movie.
It was ok I guess.
Movie was meh at best, but I really liked the book.
Cracked used to be so good 10 years ago
the book is pretty good for what it is, movie sucked balls though
Whoa anon, I just got time traveled hard.
I still remember thinking I liked that writer
this book is actually ok. It succeeds as a comedy.
7/10
Books decent though. Came out in a different time too.
Right at the pre social media and algorythm internet culture. Before it was distilled into what is now labelled as reddit.
millenials were the ironic generation. nothing they do can be sincere. zoomers hate irony
*dances earnestly in your path*
Oh yea, the movie that pretty much ripped off Girlfriends from 1978. Somehow I was not shocked when I realized they were the same film.
https://www.criterion.com/films/29635-girlfriends
>instantly both axiomatically disgusted and sexually aroused by the israeli protagonist
We are complex beings.
But, for real, the way that filthy c**t turns on a dime from celebrating her success (despite the fact that her friend is uncomfortably embarrassed by her "almost naked" photograph) to selfishly asking how her friend can betray her need for companionship by marrying a man, is both a pitch-perfect depiction of the utterly selfish israelite/woman perspective, and completely fricking revolting.
1488/6000000; would rape to death before tossing her into an oven
The zoomers I know are even more ironic than millennials. There is no practical difference between millennials and zoomers. They were both internet children, grew up on social media, video games, porn, and other videos that float around the internet that they should have never seen. That one prefers Reddit and the other TikTok so they dress and speak differently is basically unimportant. All of them are ultra-ironic way too silly and childish and overly emotional as a way of coping.
I am half-sure that a ton of the weird fiction writen by urban boys, those books with dumb pseudo poetic titles about how hard being filipino-german is or something, fall directly into this category. Wont ever read one of those tho: they all look boring.
What causes the insincerity of millennial fiction?
raised by TV programs full of sarcastic smart ass characters aimed at their demographic and the internet hall-o-mirrors made everyone too self-aware and neurotic to the point of paralysis and withdrawl to the cover of cynicism and irony and that's on top of the legitimate reasons to feel disillusioned with idealism after Vietnam/70s
if you are too sincere you will be ostracized, shunned, and possibly fired and blacklisted from working forever.
I feel I can't even be sincere here either.
Everyone gets asshurt about people they don't know, things they barely understand. Do we all fear we are derivative? From the people who love status quo to people that despise it?
I am sick of irony and I am sick of being loathed for wanting to be sincere and I am fricking so tired of performative bullshit EVERYWHERE. There is no answer to it than to be a hypocrite. Our culture is so immature it makes me want to vomit daily.
I think it’s a coping mechanism for lives and a world that are basically fricking terrible if you want to know the truth.
Deep insecurity
Movies generates the need for art to entertaining, TV, for it to be accessible.
Over socialization and the constatnt threat of being filmed and being stoned to death on the internet because of it.
>constant swearing (including made up words, "creative insults"like "badassery" "fricking shitballs on a frickstick". playground language mixed with swearing)
>quirky, condescending, sarcastic delivery
>loud=funny
>annoying=funny
>childish language "icky" "yucky" "yikes" "my dude"
>"subtle" allegory/critiques of depression/capitalism/literally anything
>pop culture obsession as identity, twitter jokes, quips
>humour stuck in 2010
>awkward references to politics or capitalism, weird random exposition that reads like an out of context twitter post
what book is this that you're quoting from?
ready player 1
every book by andy weir
>but he's a gen x'er!
yeah so is the guy who wrote ready player one but they both write like millennials
I'm optimistic that books won't be as horrific as vidya or films, they are inherently more introspective so perhaps they will be more serious to boot
I'm a late millennial and I basically don't relate to this generation at all. They are like weird alien freaks to me. I just do my own thing really. I don't feel like a part of any generation.
You must be so unique frog boy
same thing with me but for zoomers, no cap, fr fr
t. zoomer
I was born in 1985 and I am in the same boat.
1997? Me too
>millennial this
>millennial that
These generational categories are meaningless, only the boomer group has any real demographic point to it. But do you people really think Ernest Cline and Randy Pitchford and the writers of all those awful Marvel films are millennials? Sally Rooney embodies "peak millennial writing", not 50 year old pop-culture cuckolds like Cline.
>Sincerity for IQfy means being racist and mysoginist 24/7 and also being Christian
>Meanwhile reddit sucks transBlack person wiener and calls it being a fricking decent human being, my brother in Christ.
Where is the middle ground?
>the middle ground between Christianity, pointless edge, and deepthroating progressive ideals
You'll find it on Facebook or anywhere else full of boomers.
>I hate my wife, lol!
>Also, we have to let millions of Mexicans in because Jesus said so
>and also because if the price of strawberries goes up anymore I'm going to have a meltdown in a Walmart
It's yet another coping mechanism for a depressing and dull existence. What's different is that this flavor of escapism comes with some politics and pop culture references.
What would be the chud/conservative equivalent? Maybe the turner diaries?
>What would be the chud/conservative equivalent?
Hearts of Iron 4 mods.
What does it mean to be sincere?
I feel like I am sincere, but I'm not sure.
>I’m not sure
This would lead the insincere to think you were more sincere then them but it is not. You don’t have to question if you’re being honest and that’s all it really means.
Being true to who you are. We’re all insincere at moments, society prefers us to not point out when someone makes a spelling error or says the wrong name in passing or really any faux pas, and if we stifle ourselves because of it in that moment we’re being insincere.
But this isn’t a wholly encompassing thing and you can strive to be honest and earnest in other ways. This doesn’t mean uncompromising, of course, because it is within us all to compromise to some degree, and with some degree of regularity, but it means to not be bending to appease or placate or impress but rather because it’s how you genuinely feel.
TLDR; it means keeping it a hunnid
Anything by John Scalzi.
So... yeah. That's the cishet white patriarchy for ya. Aint it grand?
>millennial writing
Uh... I think you mean LGBTQ writing.
Doesn't fit into OPs meme definition, but Tao Lin's Taipei is IMO the current peak of millennials literature.
How many in this thread have actually read a single book written by a "millennial" author? And I'm talking about literary fiction, not the genre trash that has been produced by every generation since the birth of the novel. It sounds like you're all just reading twitter and playing video games.
>literary fiction
homosexual phrase that means nothing.
>literary fiction
>by a millennial writer
lol
>uhh check your privilege sweaty, because other things exist this dominant trend associated with an era doesn't exist
>sincerity is a foreign concept
They learned from their insane environment that they'll be judged and "corrected" for presenting anything as their actual opinion so they preemptively ask what the right opinion to have is on any subject. This makes them unable to relate to anyone who actually thinks, which is needed to write interesting characters with backbones.
Behold this post and weep. This is how moronic millennials actually are.
>Behold this post and weep. This is how moronic millennials actually are.
All I see in this thread is the pathetic ejaculations of homosexuals like yourself. You're weeping over twitter nonsense, compose yourself.
>no u
haha
I'm weeping for the loss of your mind. It may have had potential once.
In all honesty this thread has some very nice critiques. You are either a seething homosexual that associates with the type of people we are describing or youre a woman either way suck a troony wiener
All right, we've finally established that the "millennial" category has nothing to do with birth-years or generational cohorts or marketing schemes, but is actually a state of mind or perhaps a personality type to which anyone could belong. Great work.
>What is "Zeitgeist"?
Not the subject, is it?
This thread is IQfy-tier quality, which makes sense because anyone who'd obsess over this would be a video game-playing man child.
>proves my point
Are you dim? A zeitgeist is exactly why it is mainly millennials writing this lmao.
t. seething millennial
OK moomer
Millennials ruined music, literature and film. Zoomers have a lot of work to do to reverse the damage but damn it we will try
Older end Boomer israeli dudes used Gen X to ruin music before millennials were even born.
Most great musicians are israeli though.
>music
Music in the modern sense honestly is not in any way shape or form on par with IQfy and or film. A compositional piece of a orchestral composer does compare with film and literature. But modern music is just Tavernal poetry with some feel good sounds mixed in
I am not like this type of millennial at all. in fact i think it's a gross overcharacterization of our generation. these are software engineer mark zukerberg types. literally not one of the people i know are like this.
>mark zukerberg
The FB movie, and it's story from the various perspectives would be a good nomination for essential millennial-core.
A Britney Spears/ Mickey Mouse Club history would also be readable and offer something valuable.
I think we still have to wait a few more years to get our first literary fiction type novel from a millennial.
>Selfie; Suicide
Try-harding while deploying "I was just pretending to be moronic" irony when caught out. You know the type Pynchon stans
DAW / Penguin:
>To this end, DAW is actively seeking new works of science fiction and fantasy written by and/or featuring people of color, Native people, disabled people, neurodiverse people, LGBTQIA+ people, and those from other underrepresented or marginalized communities.
Triada US:
>ALWAYS seeking: diversity. Race, ethnicity, gender identity, sexual orientation, ability, mentality, health, economic status, religious affiliation, all of it. The obvious shouldn’t need to be said — that I want my projects to reflect the beautiful diversity of the world, that I want to see and share with others life through another’s eyes, that I want to see these differences expressed through art and creation and culture, that these books need to be on bookshelves — but that’s the state of things. So yes, there is no question to it: I want diversity.
Book Ends Literary Agency:
>This is your semi-annual reminder that while I'm looking for diversity and own voices across the board, I am particularly interested in seeing submissions in the mystery and historical romance genres. Please send! #mswl
Knight Agency:
>Really want to find queer teen lit.
P.S. Literacy Agency:
>“Young Adult: LGBTQ+ rom com, psychological horror, a new take on vampires, a girl in a rock band, an eerie mystery.”
KT Literacy
>#ownvoices#marginalizedvoicesfriendship-based adventure a la Goonies, please! #MG #YA #amquerying #amwriting
Lynette Novak
>Seeking: manuscripts from POC, diverse authors,#LGBTQ,#OwnVoices, & all voices that have been silenced but NEED to be heard. I support you & want to share your stories with the world.
Kiki Nguyen
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Leah Spann, DAW / Penguin
>I am always looking for inclusive storytelling. LGBTQIA+ characters, less explored mythologies, SFF from authors of color, neurodivergence.
Elana Roth Parker
>I have never stopped looking for Black voices to add to my list of authors. If you write fun, escapist stories for MG or YA, I'm here! Currently hungry for rom-coms and light fantasy, but open to an adventure.
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>Seeking: manuscripts from POC, diverse authors,#LGBTQ,#OwnVoices, & all voices that have been silenced but NEED to be heard. I support you & want to share your stories with the world.
Babel - RF Kuang
have anons finally started to realize they're the problem and not the boomers, zoomers, doomers and so on? millennials really are the most obnoxious and limp-wristed generation.
All living American generations are rotten
All are rotten but some more than others. It doesn't matter when it comes to the big picture yes.
2 points to consider:
>it's older than millennials
>it's Americans
Hunger Games
Percy Jackson
Harry Potter
Written by Gen X-ers. The last soulful people when it comes to writing. There is an actual sense of wonder and honesty in their work which millennials don't understand on a deeper level.
Are these writers the nu-males that we used to mock back 2012-2016 ?
When you feel hatred for millenials, remember that gen X/boomers made them everything they are, and the vast majority of what they consoom.
>Write a soulcrushing novel
>Go to publisher
>They all say they are not looking for something so serious and filled with emotion
A plague upon literature. One can only hope the next generation of publishers won't keep the same taste.
Most great writers cannot be millennials. Great writers are all in their 50s or 40s, and even the oldest Millennials are barely in their 40s.
We need to wait 20 years to get an idea of what Millennial writers are like. Currently, all fiction Millennial and later generations consume is written by Boomers or Gen X.
Most Great Writers didn't necessarily begin writing at those ages. From what we have seen already however, no millennial has shown the beginnings of being a Great Writer. Everything they produce is like everyone has already mentioned in this thread. Utterly soulless.
We have seen nothing, because Millennials only started being born in the 80s. You need to work your way up in the entertainment industry before you get to lead the big projects.
>The oldest millennials are 43yo and the youngest ones are at least 30
We have seen enough.
According to the consensus of sociologists the cutoff year is 1996. So they would be 27 at the youngest. I think that's bullshit, personally, and think it makes total sense to assume the start year for Gen Z is 2000. Regardless, I don't think there are any breakaway writers from Gez Y, especially of the male variety. Chicklit and chickfantasyya aren't literature.
Tomatoe tomato but I understand. Yea I don't expect them to change either because of the current profit models but it is very sad in a way.
We will see but I am very doubtful that those who have not shown the beginnings of being great will somehow end up being great. One or two might have something interesting to say ofc.
Not even the beginning of it. Wait at least ten years.
Name a single author who wrote a masterpiece before their mid to late 40s.
Joyce finished Ulysses at 40 and already had Portrait and Dubliners written (The Dead being the best short story ever written arguably). Schopenhauer had The World as Will written at 26?
I think Rimbaud didn't write a single poem after turning 21 or so and he's considered an icon of French poetry. What did the average anon accomplish at fricking 21?
>Faulkner-his big 4 novels
>Hemingway-TSAR, AFTA, In Our Times
>Lawrence-Sons and Lovers, The Rainbow
>Mann-Buddenbrooks
>Henry Miller-Tropic of Cancer
>Flaubert-Madame Bovary
>Nietzsche-Zarathustra
Just off the top of my head
The youngest are 23, or so.
>According to the consensus of sociologists the cutoff year is 1996.
Yeah, and they're dumb. Strauss and Howe have the cut-off as around 2004 and they're seminal in generational theory. One of them even coined the term Millennial. Even think about the term and its relation to the turn of the millennium -- which assuredly doesn't begin with 1997.
It's so weird how Gen Y is the only generation I can think of where people incessantly change its range, especially to make it shorter and shorter. I've even see people cut it off at 95. Millennial/Gen Y was the current gen through the entirety of the 90s and articles from then even reference it as such.
I don't know. It's just weird to me how Gen Y is the one afflicted so heavily with this date-frickery. I always cut it off at 2000 since it's the new millennium and consider Millennials as the last generation born prior to the turn of it. It's the simplest reasoning; whereas the other changing around has basically none since it's always fluctuating.
Recently 1990-1994 are trying to get themselves kicked out of millennial and into some in-between classification. I don't think they belong in Gen Y anyway. If you were in your 20s in the early 2000s, you're quintessential millennial. It's not that hard.
Shut up, I'm a zillenial.
>If you were in your 20s in the early 2000s, you're quintessential millennial.
'79 here, always counted as gen x
If you were too young to understand 9/11 when it happened, then you are not a millennial. That's all it is. Cutoff is '96.
I'm gonna go with Eragon