Native Americans have a moral right to the American continent. They have lived there since their ancestors crossed the Bering Strait. They are pure in spirit and lineage, unlike the 'American' invaders. All of America should be returned to them and the invaders deported or worse.
So you want 300+ million people to leave just to let 1+- million natives stay in a land that's bigger than almost all of europe
Yes.
Why if they are not going to use not even 1% of the total land, you literally have monarchy belief of ownership, just because they parents came there some x years ago doesn't mean jack shit about what they actually can own about the land.
Because it's their land. It's not for you to say what they should do with it. Shoo, invader. Time to go back.
If they can't work the land is not their land. They can't work not even 1% of the land therefore not even 1% of the land belongs to them.
>Time to go back.
Try to send me "back", you'll get shot in the head if you try anything.
It's their land. You are nothing.
No it isn't. We took it.
If deporting every shitskin in Europe would leave it in the hands of a few thousand Whites, you people would do it in a heartbeat.
So how about you give the land to the natives who actually lived on it.
American Whites have a claim to the East coast. East Coast natives are gone, they don’t exist. At best you can pretend the Iroquois have the Western New England, the Cherokee the Carolinas, and the Seminole Florida, But largely the natives are gone. Also the Midwest as well, most of them are gone too, so Whites can remain.
But where the remnants of the historical Sioux live, the Comanche and Apache their lands can be returned.
We should also remove non-Whites from Europe and Northern Asia,.
>American Whites have a claim to the East coast.
No they don't. The Southwest is majority Mexican today. Give it back to the Mexicans. You wouldn't make any concessions regarding Europe so why would anyone accept these backhanded conditions?
>incoming cope
>say something moronic
>”any response you give is cope”
Shitskins and Shitlibs shouldn’t be allowed in the Internet.
I never mentioned the South West once so it’s weird you bring it up, but in the case of the South West, It belongs to Comanche and Apache, not Mexicans. Mexicans never actually lived there in any great number and the ones who did were Spaniards (so naturally should be returned to Europe).
>backhanded conditions
???
What part of Europe was unoccupied before Browns showed up?
I am saying where existing Natives used to dwell, that land should be returned, all the other land can be parsed out as fair game to Whites and Natives.
>Mexico claimed the South West
Mexico claimed nothing, it was the Spanish and then the Now non existent Mexican empire that claimed land natives were on already.
The modern Mexican republic does not have those same claims and they even formally gave them up any right to claim land in the Mexican American war.
>Mexico doesn't have any claim to the land because of discontinuation in government
>every inch of Europe belongs to modern European nations despite that territory having been claimed by defunct kingdoms and long-dead empires
/pol/troony cope
those lands are also claimed by modern European states and have Europeans living on them.
Mexicans never lived in the Native South West nor did they claim it when their empire fell.
>Mexicans never lived in the Native South West nor did they claim it when their empire fell.
>let me tell you about your history
>Mexicans unironically believed they lived in Old Comancheria
Why are they like this?
>nobody was on the land when we took it!
>it was always empty except for 5 injuns sitting around a fire
>there was no heckin genocide or expatriation!
Why are they like this?
No, people were on the land when we took it, but they are gone now and so we can not give it to them because there is no one to recieve.
>no genocide or expatriation
you arguing with yourself again?
That’s not what he was saying you dunce, he was saying the natives that lived there were not Mexicans.
We have census records from the 1800s dude. All the American southwest had at most 80,000 Mexicans in it at most. It was notoriously dangerous and subject to constant Indian raiding. For all intents and purposes Mexico never controlled the southwest. Even America didn’t properly control Texas for about 50 years until the Comanche were fully defeated.
Adding to this, the whole Texas issue arose because Mexico incentivized Americans to settle there as a hedge against Comanche raiding. Then in 1835, the 1824 Constitution was repealed, leading to multiple states seceding from Mexico. Texas wasn't the first or last secession, but they were the only successful one. The Yucatan was also notoriously rebellious
>The Southwest is majority Mexican today. Give it back to the Mexicans
You realize the southwest wasn't originally Mexicans, right?
>northen mexicans are indians
I'm not sure which group you're insulting more here
>The Southwest is majority Mexican today
Who all want to be American and not citizens of Mexico.
yes, and we should also remove non whites from europe
Yes, the Great Spirit issued Thirty (30) Day notice. Go home, White man. Go home.
scandis made it there first, though
this is their insanity, these are the same cultists who claim the world is overpopulated because they refuse to move somewhere with less people
Lol do you really think the Scandinavians made it to America before the Native Americans? Are you moronic c**t?
>scandis made it there first, though
The absolute state of IQfy
>They are pure in ... lineage
Lol
The average Native American today has significant European ancestry. I do think the US should give them more land and sovereignty though.
I think they should be given land and sovereignty precisely because of their european ancestry. They are basically the only white people at this point who are allowed to act like how we all want to act.
Come and take it.
The relentless greed and limitless moral and cultural degeneracy of the invaders will eventually allow the natives to reclaim more of their rightful land
>limitless moral and cultural degeneracy of the invaders
Someone pull up American Indian drug overdose, alcoholism and suicide statistics.
There’s a lot more whites than natives.
>Someone pull up American Indian drug overdose
Something introduced by Europeans.
>alcoholism and suicide statistics.
Introduced by and a product of European contact.
Kek what even argument were you trying to make here, moron?
Introduced by Mexicans, not Europeans.
Why couldn't Amerangatans control their impulses if they were somehow so superior to Europeans?
>claims most of the Mexicans in that territory were Spanish, even going as far as to say they should go back to Europe
>suddenly they're entirely different
Absolute dishonesty.
>*drinks firewater and rapes sister*
Native degeneracy makes white degeneracy look tame by comparison
It's much easier to just flood the country with foreigners and then sicc the state on anyone who resists occupation.
Just like White settlers did.
See this just proves it has nothing to do with morals and is about hating white people. Hispanic Mestizos aren’t natives, they’re usually more European than Native, and they aren’t even descended from natives who were in the United States, they descend from mesoamericans. And guess what? hispanics have and continue to treat Indios in Mexico like absolute shit. They aren’t going to treat American natives any better. You don’t give a shit about the most moral future, or returning the land to indigenous owners. You just hate white people, and want to use the Indians as rhetorical weapon against them, while really doing anything you can to frick over white people, even if it will also frick over Indians.
>waaaah waysizm bad!
Reddit is ---->that way
No such thing as natural rights. If you can't hold the land it's not yours.
Okay, so a lot of people here largely do not
understand how colonialism and racism
destroyed the different Native Nations,
including the ones south of the border.
We can all agree that the Natives
do not have much to their names
anymore. Their economies, heritages
laws,governmental structures;
all of it is gone, and in place is what
they have tried to build today, but does
not compare to the power the United States
has over them.
Realistically, the Natives and their land were
conquered by the Europeans. They waged
war on the Natives and the Europeans won.
That's what nations have done for thousands
of years. So we can sit here and talk
about how shitty white Europeans are
for what they did, but it will get us nowhere.
Yes, we white people did unforgivable things
in the recent past that we have not payed for.
Black people who were born in American
who are decedents of slaves deserve
reparations. It is, at the very least, what
America can do for subjugating their
ancestors to Black Chattel Slavery,
which no other nation anywhere ever
had.
As for the Natives? There is no way the American
government is going to "give back" the
land. It conquered the land and owns it by
its own laws. The Natives, along with
anyone else who would help them, would
have to take it back by force and force
alone, and we've already established they
do not have the power to do that.
So, what can be done? Some people
say it's not for white Europeans to decide this,
but unfortunately, we hold the majority of
power in the government, so at the end of
the day, it will be something we decide,
however what we decide should be just and
fair and we should give and do everything
we can within our power to see that
the wrongs we committed against the Natives
are righted. Otherwise we are no better
than beasts.
Kys race traitor
>we white people
Shalom
So the give gibs to the Black folks but not the natives
>estroyed the different Native Nations,
including the ones south of the border
Which is good. Indian "civilization" is inferior to Western civilization
>do everything we can within our power to see that the wrongs we committed against the Natives are righted.
I think a part of the issue is nobody agrees on what that means, not even the Native Americans.
I agree with the OP.
America needs to hand all its states over to the imperial rule of the Comanche nation, and for all its young men and its armed forces to pledge allegiance to its khan Quanah II. And then ask Quanah which foreign land of decadent trashtalking buttholes he'd like to pillage first.
England in particular has never experienced a Dothraki Horde (unless the bell beakers count), so is overdue for it.
>England in particular has never experienced a Dothraki Horde
The Dothraki aren't real pal
Anyways:
1. Para-Australoids were the first people in the Americas, not the Siberian invaders that followed.
2. Later Paleo-Indians killed the first waves that came across the land-bridge.
>source: nativist troony cope to try and refute the equally ridiculous cope narrative that whitey killed all the indians in cold blood
Actually no. Nobody believes "Across Atlantic Ice" and
wasn't arguing that point.
This is the finding being argued:
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2015/07/22/discovery-change-view-human-history/
>Nobody believes "Across Atlantic Ice
It was literally written by the Director of Paleoindian Program at the Smithsonian
People born on American soil have a right to it.
No.
Then where is their homeland?
They'll be parcelled out between the countries where they count most of their heritage from. It's okay, they'll be assimilated eventually. I'd also accept them staying on the condition they assimilate into native cultures. You know, speaking a native language, being adopted into a clan and who knows, they might end up like the Hiberno-Normans, more injun than the injuns themselves
I can't tell what's more delusional, this or the Manchuria restoration thread. If either idea had the slightest chance of success, it would justify the total genocide of Injuns/Manchus in self-defense.
Why isn't the easiest fix to just give the tribes back their ancestral land under the national parks? They get their land back, they care for it, everyone enjoys the parks. Its not like Americans will advocate for getting rid of the parks either.
Seems so easy
That would either: a) leave the national park system at the mercy of guys who run casinos or b) saddle a large financial liability on some of the poorest people in America (if the natives do stick to their environmentalist posturing).
They’re siberian-Canadians. They will never be “native”.
Native Americans are R1b and Western Europeans are also R1b so they're basically the same race so Western Europeans have the same right to the continent.
R1b isn't native to America, unless you count modern "natives".
What anon meant to say, Q is the sister Clade to R and we're basically brethren Volk.
Then why don't you let R1b Chadian Blacks, R1b Bashkirs and all Q1a East Asians into Europe en masse?
No
>we are not sorry
>we WILL take your land even though your way of life resembles my Germanic ancestors before being subdued by Rome and Christianity
>we WILL give the land and this country to the israelites and freemasonry
>we WILL get outbreeded by Mexicans and get our lands and rights taken by a hostile government, just like we did to you
Pottery. Amerimutts are getting everything they deserve for their cuckery and falseness and they deserve it all.
>even though your way of life resembles my Germanic ancestors before being subdued by Rome and Christianity
It didn't though
Cope. They did and even crazy autists like Varg think so. You just have to go with the 'white' side no matter what due to /misc/ programming you pathetic weasel.
>Cope. They did
They didn't.
>and even crazy autists like Varg think so.
Varg is irrelevant moron and he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
>You just have to go with the 'white' side no matter what due to /misc/ programming you pathetic weasel.
I don't know what the frick you mean by this.
>pol troony immediately talks about israelites
Pottery
Why didn't they band together like the Africans eventually did.
>you're right native americans do have a moral...
oh you mean amerindians, nah they dont
So it’s rightful Chinese clay?
>paleface giveum clay b-ACK
Being displaced by migrations isn't unique to the Native Americans and Native Americans displaced each other. It's just history sorry.
Why is it that no one ITT mentions the Solutrean hypothesis and the fact this whole line of reasoning is wrong in the first place?
there must have been an holocaust thread overnight and all the morons got banned
Ok but what about the Solutrean hypothesis?
what about it? some spaniards from over 15k years ago got to america, then either died fighting the new indians, or mixed with them, or both.
See
Becauze it's a post-hoc cope to save face against the popular view of European settlement and violent and detrimental to the Amerindians.
>yeah we killed 6 gorrilion injuns but look there were White people here first!
>that makes le genocide ok!
No I'm just saying that whole hypothesis proves that the idea of race-based "blood and soil" type of arguments, especially in the context of North America, has no traction. I don't advocate for them myself, I'm just saying that, if you do then how to you explain the Solutrean hypothesis? It seems like it immediately shuts down that argument because it presents an internal contradiction. There were people here before the natives, so how do they claim anything?
"White" American (Amerimutt) genocide of Native Americans including sexual mutilation and mutilation of children.
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12187469/#q12190578
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/7840912/#q7841396
https://archived.moe/his/thread/7840912/#q7841528
White" American (Amerimutt) genocide of Native Americans including sexual mutilation and mutilation of children.
Americans are still sexually mutilating their newly born male children every fricking day
https://archive.alice.al/news/thread/883828/#q885465
https://archive.alice.al/news/thread/885475/#885973
https://archive.alice.al/news/thread/875568/#q875568
https://archive.nyafuu.org/news/thread/883828/#q885465
https://archive.nyafuu.org/news/thread/885475/#885973
https://archive.nyafuu.org/news/thread/875568/#q875568
meds
>They are pure in spirit
Tell me you've never lived with natives day to day without telling me you have. That's not an insult to them - fine people, but just people and equally liable as any of us to being petty, or deluded, or cruel, or any other human frailty.
Thankfully amerindians marry interracially at more than 50%, so we won't have to hear their incessant whining for much longer.
>constantly b***hes about white genocide just because white women prefer to frick Black folk
>native Americans are whiners
Lmao you people are fricking deluded
no one fricks Black folk
White genocide is from israeli people explicitly pushing policies and practices antithetical to the indigenous populations of Europe and to Whites of America, Canada, ANZ.
Also stop watching porn. bbc fetishism is solely the result of pornography and pornography today is completely israeli in origin.
>white supremecist only cares about their own race
>this is shocking hypocrisy somehow
moron
Since when did "moral right"s matter???
Native Americans have had the continent for 12,000 years, and what did they do with it? Frick all. Western civilisation has been in America for 300 years and they have turned it into the most powerful nation in all of history. I'm not saying we should start a pogrom on Native Americans, but they were not peace loving hippies and can only play the victim card because they fricking disintegrated against the might of America. Native Americans were the most warlike civilisation on earth by an astronomical margin, with Europe being like the Roman Empire in comparison, so I really don't see why Native American deserve their land back.
>what are vikings
>what are pagan celts
>what are Myceneans
>what are the Scythians
Holy shit the astronomical levels of cope required to demonize native Americans so fricking bad that they ignore how most native European cultures were based on blood wars and human sacrifice. Minoans started civilization in Europe like 2500 B.C and even then they were sacrificing children. Myceneans- ever heard of Agamemnon's sacrifice of Iphigenia? Scottish celts and wickermen? Myceneans entire culture literally revolved around war death and conquest. The illiad is literally the poetic telling of a war of conquest, full of blood thirsty killers. And what about Nords? Were in Europe around the same time as Minoans, but it took them literally 3000 years and contact with Rome to stop living in mudhuts. This bullshit muttmerican view of history is so moronic that I can't help but think 90% of people on this board are 16 year old /misc/ refugees.
>This bullshit muttmerican view of history is so moronic that I can't help but think 90% of people on this board are 16 year old /misc/ refugees.
lmao my favorite debate on IQfy is
Human sacrifice vs genocide
and
YOUR people were uncivilized vs NO YOUR people were uncivilized.
Stone Age Mayans and Aztecs built cities, civilization and science.
Stone Age Europeans built Stone Henge.
Why didnt he gag her
Also i want to see her pretty eyes
Absolutely seething. Imagine living rent free in some poor persons head for the mere act you exist and are superior to them lol
>highest number of prisoners per capita
Thats because we have a significant amount of Black folk and beaners that we have to resources and balls to track down and imprison, or just gun down. Most nations with Black folk are either too poor to do this or too spineless like whatever gay homosexual country you're from. Other than that all pretty valid criticisms, I blame israelites personally.
>Native Americans were the most warlike civilisation on earth by an astronomical margin
KEK no
This is just another native cuck cope
>moral right
Nates seemed cool but I also simply don't give a shit.
Indio majority nations
Guatemala
Nicaragua
Honduras
El Salvador
Panana
Peru
Ecuador
Guyans
Suriname
French Guinea
Paraguay
Bolivia
>Guyans
>Suriname
>French Guinea
Sounds wrong
>Paraguay
>Panama
>Nicaragua
>Honduras
>El Salvador
50/50, hard to tell
Indios were still in their equivalent of the Early Bronze Age in the CEs. I mean there are only a few civilized spots on the continents that are right next to the seed of civilizations the river valleys. Given thousands of more years the non taiga regions if both continents would be covered in civilizations.
I think it would been cool if we adopted some native culture like the kiwis, but would that have made us more homosexual or no?
How does one become "indigenous?" what's the criteria?
I feel for the Native Americans, but talking about one of the one of the largest, most powerful nations in the history of the world just packing it in for their sake just ain't going to happen. Its just not even worth talking about. If the Indians want a future for their peoples, fantasies about reclaiming the entire American continent are useless.
You don't even believe morality is absolute, you're just lying to get what you want.
>native american
>pure in lineage
They got raped to death by europeans
>Give America back to Natives
>It now has a population of 2 million people with colossal resources and empty infrastructure
>Get invaded/colonized by another power because you're a bunch of sitting ducks with some of best/largest most fertile land on the planet with access to the 2 main trading oceans
Kek.
The Native Americans were black and the first pypo on the Americas were black.
Thay's what Nation of Islam believes. All non Blacks must go
They are not Native since the crossed the land bridge.
>moral right
Without whites here the continent would be 100% Chinese in a decade.
It's hilarious to me that there's unironic injuns on this board kek
Sorry Injuns the real Americans won
I only give a shit about native americans and I'm glad there's many millions here in latin america, every other race could die tomorrow and I wouldn't give two shits
america was founded by anglos.
see this picture? no indians in sight
>They have lived there since their ancestors crossed the Bering Strait.
But did they call dibs?