What do we think about Neo-Decadence?
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New lit movement "Neo-Decadence"
What do we think about Neo-Decadence?
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The CCRU is back, but biopunk? Crap.
Are the authors from Warwick?
I don't know, but Neo-Decadence is basically just more Nick Land and friends.
It's different. From Ligotti.net:
Neo-Decadence is explained in the Brendan Connell manifesto, which should still be available online with a bit of handy Googling.
Anyway there are probably some general lifestyle traits that Neo-Decadent writers share:
1. Doing cocaine, amphetamines, acid and Hydrox cookies every week.
2. Being in better shape than you really need to be (more shredded than the majority of people around you) or in worse shape than you need to be (i.e. you walk to work every day and have access to healthy food but are still fat and eat at Wendy's and Arby's all the time).
3. Having sex with more than ten people a week.
4. Being able to name at least sixty clothing designers and having detailed opinions on them all.
5. Attending High Mass in Latin just to be hardcore, despite not technically "believing" in anything.
6. Having no children, or having more than five.
7. Spitting in the street every time an academic or anyone who has attended a "Writing Workshop" walks by.
If you overheard people talking at two different tables and simultaneously heard them making the following statements:
"Global warming doesn't have anything to do with people, the planet is just warming up naturally."
"UNIQLO makes clothes that are cheap and easy to wear, I like their 'normcore' style."
If you instinctively felt the urge to throw your drink at the person defending Uniqlo rather than the climate change denier, you're probably Neo-Decadent. Your rational mind might then be like 'Climate change deniers are a bigger problem than fast fashion,' but the important thing is the initial impulse.
So, the CCRU but materialistic and biopunk. Got it.
How it is biopunk? That sf is just one manifesto
Here are some other on Dennis Cooper's blog
https://denniscooperblog.com/the-neo-decadents-present-neo-decadence-12-manifestos/
Vtubers are the worst form of anime. Anime is already embarrassing enough, but to imagine, imagine perchance with me, just a second here. There is a grown woman who wakes up in the morning and lives her life, fully acknowledging that it has become just playing a bit forever until the next person who can do a baby voice replaces her. Imagine being so much of a cuck that you wake up and pretend to be ANOTHER woman that is pretending to be a dog and has to make baby noises all the time and speak in an uncomfortably high voice resulting in throat pain all night. What for? A talent agency specializing in women pretending to be other women pretending to be animals. Imagine being that big of a loser, and the only thing anyone will remember (not really) you for years down the line is "Hey, you pretended to be a dog that one time! But then they hired another woman even SHORTER than you that can do a higher pitch!" What a hell that must be to live in, what a genuine nightmare to think your entire life is spiraling out of your hands and you are so talentless, so characterless, such a basic b***h that a literal MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION has to WRITE A PERSONALITY FOR YOU, and YOU CAN'T EVEN USE IT. No one will remember your name, no one will ever acknowledge you, you can't even be a DOG right because it's actually just a regular woman with disgusting proportions. Imagine, just imagine. That would be enough to make me kill myself, that would be it, the magnum opus of being a loser, the ultimate cuck, the ~~*vtuber*~~. Sitting there with your unshaved legs and uncomfortably broad shoulders for a woman, lip syncing to this caricature that can't even do a full spin. To live your life as an actual cardboard cutout. Truly, the greatest of all losers. a spiritual incel.
troony spotted
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>Literature is not a guild system. Academies and workshops: a parade of inbred dogs with each generation more unfit than the last.
Nice.
Another problem is they justify a weakness of second and third rate decadent lit, limiting themselves to the vingette without strong narrative placement. The first rate decadent lit could place naturalist descriptive episodes of decay and imaginative fantasy within a narrative, while weaker writers wrote extravagences without the narrative structure to justify or develop the 'why' of decay. Seems lazy and self-indulgent to say "we will not develop our writing" because you have self-defined that lack of narrative craftsmanship as an essential feature of the style. I'd rather decadent novels and stories than mere episodes and visions.
Opposite of materialistic. Decadence broke with Naturalism over that issue.
moronic.
>Muh lifestyle
I would be embarrassed publishing this.
>Your rational mind might then be like 'Climate change deniers are a bigger problem than fast fashion,' but the important thing is the initial impulse.
moron.
0=writing should have nothing to do with lifestyle, mallarme one of the best of them lived a normal family life and worked at a school.
1=degenerate bullshit
2=vain bullshit that people already do
3=degenerate bullshit
4=vain bullshit that normies already do
5=vain bullshit zoomers already do
6=see above
7=corny
You just want to be a beat, don’t you? What does any of this have to do with the literary style and aesthetics? If you want to know the truth, the coomer reading fantasy light novels that mix video game and anime cliche are probably a lot closer to decadence than any of this, for decadence loved exoticism, loved orientalism, while it despised the popular it loved fantasy worlds, it loved ornate little systems and artifice in all ways possible. The decadent trend continued living as weird fiction and pulp stories for a little while, if anything the kinda shit you find on Royal road is much more a descendant of the decadents than any of this non artifice-concerned ideals.
This is the gaygiest thing I've ever seen. There's nothing "literary" about this, it's just image-obsessed zoomers glorifying being degenerates.
>Having no children, or having more than five
These really are the only options. Either sabotage the future by denying it bodiee or crowd it out with your own
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You're making this shit up
that's not a genre, that's retared.
Filtered
Seems like an extremely shitty and poorly made Principia Discordia rip-off.
Being a weird contrarian coomer is a literary movement now?
Always has been.
The Beats were pedophiles, etc.
>implying the beats were a literary movement
lol
what do they read though?
Why not?
Like the world isn’t decadent enough. Pathetic
I think they don't know what decadence is
bio punk is very deleuzian
I know people involved with this
Do they act like gays?
Kind of. I'm the outside looking in.
Any details?
Are anons ITT right?
The idea of it seems cool—of course one shouldn’t just be imitating the French fin-de-siècle decadents, even though it’s hard for certain of today’s decadence not to come off as cringe—and granted I haven’t read much of their work—but from what I see the execution of it is also rather lame.
To follow on from this: the original Decadent movement was disgusted with their society which was itself decadent and which they ridiculed and exposed; on the other hand they did pride themselves on an even more excessive (but also higher, more artistic) decadence: a ‘good’ and a ‘bad’ decadence one might facilely say. Now the above manifesto—apart from being some years old I think and already a bit dated (hipstery)—is not very special to the extent one might say this is just all normies, this is precisely today’s accelerated decadence which they typical IQfytard ca. 2022 moralistically decries, a decadence that would do well being shown in its lurid detail, parodied, ridiculed (think the narrator's tirades in En rade, or the society des Esseintes leaves and cannot return to in À rebours)—but is this the own most decadent excess? It seems rather weak in that regard, not set apart enough…
Isn't IQfy itself peak decadent?
etc.
IQfy is just a symptom of the spiritual void we find ourselves in
I wonder what Frater Asemlen would think about this considering he is so engaged with decadents and symbolists
Honestly sounds shitty, At a glance it doesn’t seem like they care at all to read or write akin to the decadent or symbolist style and sound like they just want to be doing beat/modernism tier lifestyle bullshit instead of focusing on the writing. If you have any texts of worth from this grouping name them and I’ll see if I can’t read them online.
Checkout these
names on z-library they have some shit there. One is quentin s crisp. And checkout this
this too
I don't think they're trying to mimic the original decedents you're reading too much into it.
rather than trying to write like the decadents or symbolists, they're trying to apply their same sensibilities to modernity. some more manifesto quotes:
>Words are only words, a somewhat artificial simulation of nature, and should not be given too much importance. Slick writing should be tossed out like men with sweaty hands, mass-produced objects, and food in Styrofoam cups.
>Syntax should be dredged out of old books, trimmed off of far-away planets, stripped from dreams. Trivial things should be said in a grandiose manner meant to disgust collegiate scribblers and make the lips of pseudo-great novelists twist in anger.
>Kublai Khan was a modern. Things fell apart a long time ago. We are already living in the ruins of civilisation. There’s nothing to celebrate. When you toast, make sure you smash your glasses together. This kind of writing should be the same. Harmony is overrated.
>Great developments don’t come about by listlessly trying to please the crowd. They’ll forget in a minute. If the only thing left is a fragment, it better be good. If you’re lucky, you’ll end up like some choliambic poet.
>Neo-Decadent writers will honour the fragmented, the contorted, the unfinished, the unpublished. Realising there is no glory, no reward, no lavish suppers or dancing on tables. Living in obscure lanes and remote canyons, things will be written in unread languages or translated from the language of lizards and snakes, plagiarised from deep wells and signed with hands wet with the dew of rotting fruit.
>Nothing comes to an end. Let a little light shine through the darkness and remember that when the universe collapses in on itself you can read the novel back to front.
>The kidneys are the prime organ of Neo-Decadence. The pink Gemini. Filtering. Most educated people have equally educated kidneys, which means they try to tell stories instead of pissing when needed. Keep an eye out for these creatures and their awards.
>No precedence is given to the Decadent writers of the 19th century, their modes or milieu. Neo-Decadence is more likely to cross 1990s video game dialogue with the structure of a 16th century picaresque to discuss a drug deal in present day Mongolia. Fealty and earnestness can only hold back progress. We do not have saints, and we consume our idols.
>Writing can be neither sincere nor authentic; these are the cliches of the ranks of the dead. Style is a mute scream in symbols—that’s all.
Shall never stop worshipping Saint Huysmans tbqh, shan't be acceding on point eight.
It's v cute how they badly they wanna ape Marinetti's style
>No precedence is given to the Decadent writers of the 19th century, their modes or milieu. Neo-Decadence is more likely to cross 1990s video game dialogue with the structure of a 16th century picaresque to discuss a drug deal in present day Mongolia. Fealty and earnestness can only hold back progress. We do not have saints, and we consume our idols.
>Writing can be neither sincere nor authentic; these are the cliches of the ranks of the dead. Style is a mute scream in symbols—that’s all.
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just write homosexuals
Sounds deeply moronic.
Sounds tired and obsolete already.
Why?
Honestly I am not knowledgeable enough to provide you with a satisfactory articulation of how this shit makes me feel. All I can say is that I feel like manifestos are passe, a kind of marketing at best devoid of any real vitality, and that this particular one comes off more like a wish-list than the capturing of a 'moment'.
That's not fair. They've produced a lot of good work
Maybe if I string enough buzzwords together, people will think my blogposts are deep and important.
unsure about neo-decadence per se, but some of the authors involved are pretty fricking good. namely brendan connell, quentin crisp and damian murphy
Then why most of gays ITT are seething? Is it safe to assume that they haven't read them?
i seethe at the fact they more often than not publish with obscure eastern europe publishers like zagava or mount abraxas who only print like 120 copies and they sell for about a hundred euros, so frick that. but they do have some work available as paperback elsewhere, which is nice
>quentin crisp
>died in 1999
>involved in some new literary movement that only exists on social media posts with low engagement
oh kay
different writer. but this one was actually named quentin crisp unlike the other gay who had to publish under a fake name
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3037624.Quentin_S_Crisp
Quentin s. Crisp is unironically a good and underappreciated writer, so I'll check out his story.
isnt that just sleeze-pill?
any books on this generation's obsession with "aesthetics" (not it's philosophical meaning, but the Tumblr one) ?
when did artistic movements become personal fashion styles ?
Blame commies and fashies
When questions of political-economy are no longer up for debate all that's left is culture war and aesthetics. Soviet collapse, neoliberal turn, Fukuyama, Mark Fisher blah blah blah
When Walter Pater wrote Renaissance and Greek Studies and founded Aestheticism.
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>neo-x
Everything neo is fricking shit.
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The problem is decadence was grounded in Schopenhauer's pessimism and misanthropy, inclusive of a perculiar misogyny of women as malevolent. Are they grounded in a similar pessimism or is it an affectation? Easy to be decadent when half your friends are dying of TB and syphilis and your nation was just humiliated in war (Franco-Prussian War) and forced at gunpoint to abandon its national myth of Napoleonic grandeur in an orgy of massacre and civil war (Third Republic & massacre of the Communards). Why are they melancholic and bileful today?
>Why are they melancholic and bileful today
Why wouldn't they be? The world is becoming progressively more insane by the day
Because their bodies aren't ravaged by tuberculosis and syphilis, nor are the bodies of their friends and the prostitutes they frequent? There were environmental and historical causes of decadence as a literary movement. What particular sicknesses ground decadence today, why would we view the world and life as fundamentally sick, failing, and decaying as they did?
>What particular sicknesses ground decadence today, why would we view the world and life as fundamentally sick, failing, and decaying as they did?
mass obesity, drug addiction, mental illness?
But is their decadence grounded in that? Are they writing as if the world were obese, mentally ill, and drug deranged? I don't see it, it risks becoming an affectation.
The manifestos are pretty funny. This seems more interesting than most of what is coming out now.
Neo-Decadence is nothing new. Steely Dan did it first in the early 70s. I've read half the Neo-Decadent authors and their writing is just one Steely Dan motif after another. Quentin S Crisp's All God's Aja's Beware and Justin Isis' Welcome to the Big Black Cow are perhaps the most obvious, but the rest are barely more subtle.
>their writing is just one Steely Dan motif after another
Elaborate
Riki don't lose that number, you don't wanna call nobody else.
>Elaborate
Brendan Connell's books all have the same narrative rhythm as Peg, for instance. Once you see it, it's super obvious.
What happens when the “neo” version of something is stolen? Does it become neo neo?
I’m literally squirming in my seat from cringe. Impressive OP.
i think they are occultists. the books ive read all pretty perverse. lots of steely dan references and sex parties
so it's like decadence but """new"""? writing about hipster bars with vapers instead of opium dens? the stench of the modern city instead of rotting meat?