Look up I-novel and do some preliminary research first. The book tends to filter idiots who can't see beyond their emotional reaction to the MC. It also seems to piss off a lot of incels who don't think he has a right to be depressed because he gets pussy.
This book was okay but overrated. Notes from Underground was in the same vein and just better all around imo. I feel like half the reason this is popular outside of Japan is because it's 'hehe Japanese thing WOW!'
Also wasn't a fan of the English translation.
Completely agree about the Japan wow feeling. Was discussing this very book with someone who said "Japanese authors always wrote such interesting books" when I know for a fact that they had never read one. To be fair to them though I had recently finished 2 other books by Mishima and they thought they sounded interesting. But still...
It's good from what I've heard. I watched the anime already and it depressed me so I don't want to read the book. If you don't read it at least either watch the anime or read the Manga.
>ayoo I'm such a terible human being and I can never fit into society >has no problems in school, gets even into college, has multiple sexual relations with various women >I'm just a monster and cant feel like a human
another shitty book that IQfy memed me into reading
this was my impression of it too. I could relate a lot to the narrator's psychology -- the way his internal emptiness led to his desires becoming filled by others, which then leads to confusion and inability to sort them which leads to overwhelming depression -- but I couldn't get over the fact that he effortlessly and randomly had women falling all over him despite his supposed shortcomings. I cannot relate or understand that at all.
I feel like punpun is a much better treatment of this type of psychology even though it has similar problems with women but idk if you guys consider that IQfy.
That being said I think it's worth two afternoons to read. It's very short.
no his desired have never been filled by others. he wanted to be a painter and no one else was a painter. the only things that fulfilled him were cigarettes, booze and prostitutes
> leads to overwhelming depression
what depression? Oh, of course you are an american so feeling slightly sad once in a while = depression and needs treatment with medicine that changes your brain chemistry for ever. that guy was never depressive, he was just empty, burger
>randomly had women falling all over him
this is why all the asiatics like this book, because this is what predates all the "average mc gets an harem of women"-animes. Japs are normally very cold people and have a hard time bonding like normal human and fantasies like this where some comic artist (not even a hard job) homosexual gets lots of women appeals to their own desires
>punpun
I actually invested time reading this shit years ago and at first I thought that this was just some Bildungsrom-style manga but the second half was heavily affected by the authors hormone abuse. look it up the guy is still in transitioning to become a troony. his editor once told that the seconds half shoul've been some road-story where both, punpun and that gouged-eye girl, live some kind of a short bonny-clyde life where both of them die in the end
Mate you are extrapolating way too much. When I said his desires were filled by others I was referring to his childhood. Note the sections where he asks for a mask from his dad even though he doesn't actually want anything and all the other small things he does just to keep others happy, and how terrified he is of feeling like others will "find him out". Naturally this kind of lifestyle where you have no desires of your own and are exceedingly self-conscious leads to shitty psychological consequences down the road, including addiction, depression, isolation, lack of meaning, etc. which is what the rest of the novel is about. This is not even any kind of deep analysis I'm just doing a simplified restating of what happens in the book.
>depression
it's just a descriptive word. I'm not referring to the superficial kind of depression parroted by progressives. It can certainly refer to the emptiness experienced by the narrator.
>why all the asiatics like this book
I don't think japanese people think the narrator is someone to be emulated. Claiming that No Longer Human is the precursor to isekai harem anime is a really interesting thesis though, you should publish something on that.
>trannies
I looked it up and it was just a joke. Get a grip.
Cringe book truly. Just remove it to the top 100. The anime of this is good that's why I'm hyped reading it but it's just about a kid complaining about life. I can't believe that a kid lived in prosperity would feel emptiness and developed depression over time.
no his desired have never been filled by others. he wanted to be a painter and no one else was a painter. the only things that fulfilled him were cigarettes, booze and prostitutes
> leads to overwhelming depression
what depression? Oh, of course you are an american so feeling slightly sad once in a while = depression and needs treatment with medicine that changes your brain chemistry for ever. that guy was never depressive, he was just empty, burger
>randomly had women falling all over him
this is why all the asiatics like this book, because this is what predates all the "average mc gets an harem of women"-animes. Japs are normally very cold people and have a hard time bonding like normal human and fantasies like this where some comic artist (not even a hard job) homosexual gets lots of women appeals to their own desires
>punpun
I actually invested time reading this shit years ago and at first I thought that this was just some Bildungsrom-style manga but the second half was heavily affected by the authors hormone abuse. look it up the guy is still in transitioning to become a troony. his editor once told that the seconds half shoul've been some road-story where both, punpun and that gouged-eye girl, live some kind of a short bonny-clyde life where both of them die in the end
>I think it's worth [...] to read
no
At this point you can't even be called ESL morons.
Good grief what a boring op
fun read
you don't have to, do what you want
Well I really want to like it actually.
But I would love to know what makes it a good book that's why I'm making this thread !
Look up I-novel and do some preliminary research first. The book tends to filter idiots who can't see beyond their emotional reaction to the MC. It also seems to piss off a lot of incels who don't think he has a right to be depressed because he gets pussy.
ESL
This book was okay but overrated. Notes from Underground was in the same vein and just better all around imo. I feel like half the reason this is popular outside of Japan is because it's 'hehe Japanese thing WOW!'
Also wasn't a fan of the English translation.
Completely agree about the Japan wow feeling. Was discussing this very book with someone who said "Japanese authors always wrote such interesting books" when I know for a fact that they had never read one. To be fair to them though I had recently finished 2 other books by Mishima and they thought they sounded interesting. But still...
>man with suicidal tendencies laments a life not properly lived
Now you don't have to read anything written in Japan ever
It's good from what I've heard. I watched the anime already and it depressed me so I don't want to read the book. If you don't read it at least either watch the anime or read the Manga.
>ayoo I'm such a terible human being and I can never fit into society
>has no problems in school, gets even into college, has multiple sexual relations with various women
>I'm just a monster and cant feel like a human
another shitty book that IQfy memed me into reading
this was my impression of it too. I could relate a lot to the narrator's psychology -- the way his internal emptiness led to his desires becoming filled by others, which then leads to confusion and inability to sort them which leads to overwhelming depression -- but I couldn't get over the fact that he effortlessly and randomly had women falling all over him despite his supposed shortcomings. I cannot relate or understand that at all.
I feel like punpun is a much better treatment of this type of psychology even though it has similar problems with women but idk if you guys consider that IQfy.
That being said I think it's worth two afternoons to read. It's very short.
>led to his desires becoming filled by others
no his desired have never been filled by others. he wanted to be a painter and no one else was a painter. the only things that fulfilled him were cigarettes, booze and prostitutes
> leads to overwhelming depression
what depression? Oh, of course you are an american so feeling slightly sad once in a while = depression and needs treatment with medicine that changes your brain chemistry for ever. that guy was never depressive, he was just empty, burger
>randomly had women falling all over him
this is why all the asiatics like this book, because this is what predates all the "average mc gets an harem of women"-animes. Japs are normally very cold people and have a hard time bonding like normal human and fantasies like this where some comic artist (not even a hard job) homosexual gets lots of women appeals to their own desires
>punpun
I actually invested time reading this shit years ago and at first I thought that this was just some Bildungsrom-style manga but the second half was heavily affected by the authors hormone abuse. look it up the guy is still in transitioning to become a troony. his editor once told that the seconds half shoul've been some road-story where both, punpun and that gouged-eye girl, live some kind of a short bonny-clyde life where both of them die in the end
>I think it's worth [...] to read
no
Mate you are extrapolating way too much. When I said his desires were filled by others I was referring to his childhood. Note the sections where he asks for a mask from his dad even though he doesn't actually want anything and all the other small things he does just to keep others happy, and how terrified he is of feeling like others will "find him out". Naturally this kind of lifestyle where you have no desires of your own and are exceedingly self-conscious leads to shitty psychological consequences down the road, including addiction, depression, isolation, lack of meaning, etc. which is what the rest of the novel is about. This is not even any kind of deep analysis I'm just doing a simplified restating of what happens in the book.
>depression
it's just a descriptive word. I'm not referring to the superficial kind of depression parroted by progressives. It can certainly refer to the emptiness experienced by the narrator.
>why all the asiatics like this book
I don't think japanese people think the narrator is someone to be emulated. Claiming that No Longer Human is the precursor to isekai harem anime is a really interesting thesis though, you should publish something on that.
>trannies
I looked it up and it was just a joke. Get a grip.
Cringe book truly. Just remove it to the top 100. The anime of this is good that's why I'm hyped reading it but it's just about a kid complaining about life. I can't believe that a kid lived in prosperity would feel emptiness and developed depression over time.
At this point you can't even be called ESL morons.
don't, it's garbage in english, only read it if you can read japanese
because he's literally me, he's literally you