Oh, now I get it. Actually makes sense now. Holy Trinity actually makes sense to me.
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Oh, now I get it. Actually makes sense now. Holy Trinity actually makes sense to me.
Oh, now I get it. Actually makes sense now. Holy Trinity actually makes sense to me.
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That is MODALISM Patrick!
why three instead of four?
Plasma isn't on the diagram. That form will be revealed during the second comming, when your face melts.
I still don't see the difference between these two. Different pics of the same concept
MODALISM POSITS THAT THE DIVINITY SHAPESHIFTS INTO THE FATHER, INTO THE SON, AND INTO THE SPIRIT, THESE THREE NOT BEING PERSONS, BUT MERE MODES OF THE DIVINITY; IT DEPRIVES THEM OF THEIR ENTITY: MODALISM DEPRIVES GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT, OF THEIR ONTIC ACTUALITY, AND DEGRADES THEM TO VIRTUALITY.
> This is stupid
> my head hurts
> I'm going to whip my girlfriend unconscious and then go frick a sheep.
Not a Christian, but isn't "The trinity is like a man who can be a father, a husband and a carpenter" not a proper explanation? How is it modalist? It doesn't claim that God shapeshifts into a father/husband/carpenter, he is all three things at the same time just like a man is all three at the same time. Simply the fact that a man stops doing carpentry for a moment to hold his child doesn't make him stop being a carpenter.
>God is depicted as three different forms.
That is MODALISM Patrick.
That'd be one person with three characteristics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabellianism
Husband?
The Holy Spirit is the husband of Mary to Catholics if I'm not mistaken.
I just want to point out that there has never been a heresy called "partialism". That "heresy" was completely made up by a satirical christian video explaining the trinity.
the Arians were right and Christians have to pretend they're wrong because political squabbles in the Roman Empire that had nothing to do with actual religious scripture
Father =observer
Son = observed
Holy spirit = the act of observation linking the two
It's simple neoplatonism and to this day heretics are too dumb to understand this. israelites have their kabalah, Muslims have their sufi hierarchy. The trinity is just a way to explain the mechanism of how a perfect total being relates to itself and the world. The trinity is a name for mechanisms. It's a logic statement meant to show you how a God head would necessarily have to function.
It's the fundamental subject (father), fundamental object (son) and fundamental action (spirit).
>the trinity are three distinct states of a being
modalism, gg no re
This meme literally has to make up a nonexistent "heresy" lol. There's no "partialist heresy"
Why only 3 anyway? Why not 5 or 10?
>10
That’s israeli.
Thats why Muslims call Jesus "ISA".
Isa and Jesus are basically two different characters for modern Muslims
here's my shot:
the trinity can be understood to be like (but not exactly like) in the image of God (humans)
A human person can be described in 3 ways:
His consciousness
His thoughts
His actions
These three elements are all (you) and are only distinct in relation to each other
now in terms of the Godhead we're not talking about 1 person with 3 elements that are un-seperateable (like a human) but instead 3 persons with all the same characteristics except in the way they relate to each other , just like how (you) and your elements only differ in relation to each other except of course it's the interpersonal relationship that is the difference and not the function of the elements.
I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense so take it with a grain of salt.
Trinity is Three Persons, who is One God. No matter what you try to use as a metaphor, every single one of them just leads another heresy. Based on your description, it seems you might be unintentionally expressing a perspective similar to modalism.
I'm not separating them into different Physical or metaphysical areas, I'm still keeping them one body but keeping them different based on their interpersonal relationship.
in them same manner that we are one body but 3 elements they are 1 body and 3 persons
>the trinity can be understood to be like (but not exactly like)
There's always that caveat because literally no analogy of it works which is why the wisest trinitarians appeal to mystery. You simply can't make it logically work
>These three elements are all (you) and are only distinct in relation to each other
Your actions are not 100% (you) and neither are the other elements, but each person of the godhead is actually 100% God.
>Serious question while we're here
"Christ is King" - I see this a lot; so "God the Son" is king.
So what position does God the Father hold?
It's fake and gay but it makes perfect sense, idk why people get so caught up on this.
That's heresy, anon
I'm an atheist and I've never gotten someone so worked up on this site when I was defending the notion of the trinity in my Catholic LARP. This adversary was an apex midwit operating on p a=a, b=b, c=c. The limitation of his logical parameters. So riled up was he that he frenzied and I decimated him with post after post and he kept coming back like a glutton for punishment. If his brain was a CPU it would have been overheating from the process load. It didn't even feel fair yet the amusement I derived was so great especially at not even being a believer in God. It was like arguing with a child about chirality. No matter what, he just didn't get it. I'm convinced the big brains used it as a filter for back in the Arian heresy days to keep out the midwits. The sub 90 IQ masses would listen to them because they don't question and know "dayum, dis homie smart". Meanwhile other 145 IQ geniuses capable of abstract thinking and understanding consubstansiality understood it indeed is possible for three distinct entities to be one yet separate. Bravo big brains, bravo, I deem the trinity as the most successful midwit filter of all time. What a marvel of intellectual engineering! We see pleb filters all the time but those are easy to craft, childsplay. But the midwit filter? Rare. Rare indeed. Hats off to my fellow big brains of the past. I know if they were alive today they would be right here on this site doing exactly what I do.
>gloats about his epic internet pwns
>still can't come up with a good analogy
Ice and steam are water, dipshit
he probably means liquid form but that is just inviting heresies
The orthodox triadology makes sense. The triadology know in the west doesn't. Simple. I already told the triangle is a western new symbol unused before for the trinity.
The trinity is the eternal trifold manifestation (ἀπόρροια) of the one God. The Son and the Spirit are the manifestations of the Father, as described in the bible. Christ is the eternal manifestation of God to any-alterity and combines in him all the qualities that will manifest, and that get reunited with God. The Spirit is God coming down on prophets and saints for their deification (he must be God to bestow deification).
There is simply two point of view (expressed in expressions such as "when we look towards the divinity" Ὅταν μέν οὖν πρὸς τὴν θεότητα βλέψωμεν") (saint gregory of Nazianzus and saint John Damascinos) who don't contredict one another : the point of view of the one identical essence manifested through the common energy of the three . Point of view of origin, principle and point of return of the eternal manifestation of God eternally. God is like a sun shinning on any alteritty, from the point of view of alterity. The distinctions and unions are point of views who don't contradict one another. Saint Gregory Palamas
>Saint Gregory Palamas and saint Denys the areopagitis
>"For in God unity precedes and dominates distinction; But distinction does not undermine or tear apart unity.Καὶ γὰρ ἐπὶ τῶν θείων αἱ ἑνώσεις τῶν διακρίσεων ἐπικρατοῦσι καὶ προκατάρχουσι καὶ οὐδὲν ἧττόν ἐστιν ἡνωμένα καὶ μετὰ τὴν τοῦ ἑνὸς ἀνεκφοίτητον καὶ ἑνιαίαν διάκρισιν.Of Divine Names, Chapter II, XI
This thread is proof that the trinity is easy to understand
H2O cannot exist as both ice, water, and steam at the same time. This comparison is moronic.
This only makes sense if you see God in a more pantheistic way.
"God", the origin, the monad, subliminates from the source of all into. Omnipresent like a gas.
His "gas" condenses into "fluids" which dictactes the flow of the world.
When those fluids become solid, the "shards of God" are born. Life and ultimatelly Humans that can follow the "flow" and channel the "gas" to reconnect with the source.
Only accurate analogy
ice, water, and steam are each other though. you can literally have all 3 using the same molecules, just subject it to different temperatures.