miniled VA is okay for TV's since they can get super bright and the downside of sluggish backlight isnt an issue like it is for gaming
OLED still has superior image quality outside of the brightness niche and works better for gaming due to much better pixel response and no blooming on high contrast edges, or dark smear, or backlight lag
Cameras and human eyes don't work the same way. The critical flicker fusion varies from person to person for example. Not everyone is a slow motion camera capturing percect detail every 0.1 millisecond.
You know why we abandoned CRT? Flicker fricked your brain, look it up.
If you follow correct procedure, cameras can be used to emulate very accurately what you'd see.
https://blurbusters.com/motion-tests/pursuit-camera/
https://blurbusters.com/motion-tests/pursuit-camera-paper/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_motion_blur > Both OLED and "Crystal LED" technologies also have response times far shorter than LCD technology, and can reduce motion blur significantly. However, all consumer OLED displays are sample-and-hold,[2][31] which leads to the same amount of motion blur as a conventional LCD.
It's your word against decades of display research.
They literally can't because some people have low critical flicker fusion thresholds. Otherwise consoles would have failed to gain any significant level of adoption by the public as many games are rendered at 30 FPS or lower. Comparing human vision to a camera is the most unscientific thing you could ever do.
We ALL know by know that we shouldn't just blindly "trust the science".
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You have no idea what you're talking about. You can test all of this trivially at home.
https://www.testufo.com/photo#photo=toronto-map.png&pps=1440&pursuit=0&height=0&stutterfreq=0&stuttersize=0
You CANNOT read the text on this map, not unless you're using a flickering display, such as a CRT or a strobed LCD.
On a 240hz LCD it's still blurry, but you might be able to recognize some characters.
On a 60hz CRT it'll be as easy to read as if it was still (because your eyes are able to track objects make them effectively be still)
now do 240hz
You need 1000+ hz to match a CRT
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Human eyeballs ARE NOT the same thing as cameras. Some human eyeballs are better than others which is why CRT died out. The constant flickering was giving people headaches. People quickly realized this when they started using LCD monitors. Even though the motion clarity was worse it wasn't giving people visual lobotomies. OLED essentially brought back that motion clarity without the debilitating flicker of CRT.
THEORETICALLY you could construct a gorrillion different custom cameras each tuned specifically to emulate what say a Black, caucasian, asian, ect might see but nobody wants to do all that shit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
->
If you follow correct procedure, cameras can be used to emulate very accurately what you'd see.
https://blurbusters.com/motion-tests/pursuit-camera/
https://blurbusters.com/motion-tests/pursuit-camera-paper/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_motion_blur > Both OLED and "Crystal LED" technologies also have response times far shorter than LCD technology, and can reduce motion blur significantly. However, all consumer OLED displays are sample-and-hold,[2][31] which leads to the same amount of motion blur as a conventional LCD.
It's your word against decades of display research.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he's too dumb to understand sample&hold motion blur
>whites are smarter than blacks (bigger prefrontal cortex) >whites can synthesize safe levels of vitamin D even in cold cloudy winters
But we have the exact same eyeballs? Mind explaining this paradox for us?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>filtered this hard by sample&hold motion blur
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"just ignore wild deviations bro!"
I wonder what kind of genetic defect you CRTroons have that help you avoid getting headaches from all that fricking flickering. It used to drive me nuts, switching from CRT to an LCD is one of the most pleasant memories of my life.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>imagine putting this much effort into defending corpos from giving consumers terrible blurry motion.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I would rather die than use CRT ever again. I'm not a genetic disaster like you lol.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No one really wants CRT again. We just want modern displays with motion quality at least equivalent to CRTs.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
because its just that easy. even the blurbusters schizo says OLED is the best we've got for now and at least hes actually working with the industry trying to move the tech forward while you just sit on IQfy crying about the good ol days of crts
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He recently said that he switched all his monitors to OLED even for his office/coding work. CRTsissies can't compete with OLEDGODS.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
because its just that easy. even the blurbusters schizo says OLED is the best we've got for now and at least hes actually working with the industry trying to move the tech forward while you just sit on IQfy crying about the good ol days of crts
These things have the exact same problems OLEDs have, but worse in different ways.
See
[...] >best we got
This doesn't mean good. It just means it is the very bestest garbage foisted onto us from corpos.
[...]
There's a thousand pages of this shit on avsforums.
LG doesn't give a frick. I thought the biggest strength OLED has was dark room viewing in dark scenes? Too bad at lower stimulus levels they all have horrible uniformity issues because they don't care. Because morons like you will keep asking for more, Like a homosexual at a buffet of cooming dicks.
More trash for stupid consoomers. Keep thinking your $2k piece of shit is "good".
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
[...] >best we got
This doesn't mean good. It just means it is the very bestest garbage foisted onto us from corpos.
[...]
There's a thousand pages of this shit on avsforums.
LG doesn't give a frick. I thought the biggest strength OLED has was dark room viewing in dark scenes? Too bad at lower stimulus levels they all have horrible uniformity issues because they don't care. Because morons like you will keep asking for more, Like a homosexual at a buffet of cooming dicks.
These things have the exact same problems OLEDs have, but worse in different ways.
See
[...]
[...]
More trash for stupid consoomers. Keep thinking your $2k piece of shit is "good".
>MUH AI Processor
What a homosexual. Can I get a uniform screen with good motion clarity please?
Consoom that jaculatin' coom harder.
mindbroken enough to dig up posts from 2017 seething about a burn in boogieman. my oled still runs perfectly, technology apparently has advanced in 7+ years
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This isn't burn in ignorant homosexual. These are brand new panels. Most of these pics are from 2021.
There's one guy in there that works at a distributor and he took 15 of them out of boxes in a dark room and picked out the least bad one. Then boxed them back up and sent them off to stores for consoomers like yourself who enjoy drinking corporate cum.
Just because you're too stupid to calibrate your TV to be able to tell, because your blacks are totally crushed destroying your contrast ratio, doesn't mean this is "burn in".
Burn in doesn't look like this homosexual. It would be like a logo from a TV channel or something. CNN or ESPN logo at some bar is perfect example of what is actually "burn in".
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
[...] >best we got
This doesn't mean good. It just means it is the very bestest garbage foisted onto us from corpos.
[...]
There's a thousand pages of this shit on avsforums.
LG doesn't give a frick. I thought the biggest strength OLED has was dark room viewing in dark scenes? Too bad at lower stimulus levels they all have horrible uniformity issues because they don't care. Because morons like you will keep asking for more, Like a homosexual at a buffet of cooming dicks.
These things have the exact same problems OLEDs have, but worse in different ways.
See
[...]
[...]
More trash for stupid consoomers. Keep thinking your $2k piece of shit is "good".
>MUH AI Processor
What a homosexual. Can I get a uniform screen with good motion clarity please?
Consoom that jaculatin' coom harder.
This isn't burn in ignorant homosexual. These are brand new panels. Most of these pics are from 2021.
There's one guy in there that works at a distributor and he took 15 of them out of boxes in a dark room and picked out the least bad one. Then boxed them back up and sent them off to stores for consoomers like yourself who enjoy drinking corporate cum.
Just because you're too stupid to calibrate your TV to be able to tell, because your blacks are totally crushed destroying your contrast ratio, doesn't mean this is "burn in".
Burn in doesn't look like this homosexual. It would be like a logo from a TV channel or something. CNN or ESPN logo at some bar is perfect example of what is actually "burn in".
you need medication im not reading 1k pages about burn in or whatever my sony tv doesnt have this problem sorry sweetie
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Frogposter. Like 99% of ignorant dipshits on this board.
"Burn in or whatever", and proceeds to talk as if he knows anything about the technology or anything about screen calibration.
Your Sony does have this problem. You do realize Sony OLEDs use LG panels, right?
God you're a fricking idiot.
Actually calibrate your screen shitlicker. Also load up those 5% slides if you're so confident it isn't there.
Once you see it you will never be able to unsee it either.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you say all this but mine still looks good better than every other display in the store and that ive ever owned. i did calibrate it when i first bought it.
cry all youd like but my tv is better than yours no matter how much you lie to yourself about this moronic nonsense
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you say all this but mine still looks good better than every other display in the store and that ive ever owned. i did calibrate it when i first bought it.
cry all youd like but my tv is better than yours no matter how much you lie to yourself about this moronic nonsense
Just read the very first page, homosexual.
Here's the instructions in pic.
Use this youtube video.
It will take you literally 30 seconds to see it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
im just not doing that, beg cry whine i dont care
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Too afraid to test to see if your precious OLED is so good? You will be able to see it forever in every dark scene from now on?
Newer ones are actually somewhat cleaner more often I admit. But if it is a 2020-2022 model kek. Those were the absolute worst.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i bought my tv in december, i just watched harakiri yesterday and i was blown away. dark scenes are fine and when my screen goes black i dont see any banding or whatever you're going on about. success breeds jealousy i wont be hypnotised to hate oleds sister
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It is possible you got a clean panel nowadays, but I wouldn't count on it.
Watch this in one of the darker preset modes.
If you aren't watching it like that in a dark room you're just getting crushed blacks, meaning your contrast ratio will suck.
I'm not jealous, just angry dipshits lap up this crap instead of demanding actual uniform panels.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>reddit spacing this hard
at least try to fit in you, coomlord
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>glowBlack person assets drink reddit cum
Your point, little man?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
cant watch it even if i wanted to noscript wont let me even when i allow it, havent setup any way to watch youtube vids yet. i may watch it later but it really wont bother me i used to use an oled vita with awful banding and burn-in and i thought it looked great unless there was a black screen like during a loading screen (dont have that issue with my tv at all)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you say all this but mine still looks good better than every other display in the store and that ive ever owned. i did calibrate it when i first bought it.
cry all youd like but my tv is better than yours no matter how much you lie to yourself about this moronic nonsense
Actually ignore the instructions about brightness MAX. Should be much lower than that. Having the brightness that high will just hide it.
I forgot the OP was way out of date.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He recently said that he switched all his monitors to OLED even for his office/coding work. CRTsissies can't compete with OLEDGODS.
>best we got
This doesn't mean good. It just means it is the very bestest garbage foisted onto us from corpos.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He recently said that he switched all his monitors to OLED even for his office/coding work. CRTsissies can't compete with OLEDGODS.
There's a thousand pages of this shit on avsforums.
LG doesn't give a frick. I thought the biggest strength OLED has was dark room viewing in dark scenes? Too bad at lower stimulus levels they all have horrible uniformity issues because they don't care. Because morons like you will keep asking for more, Like a homosexual at a buffet of cooming dicks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>oled is the best we've got
If that was true, Sony's $30,000 mastering monitors would be OLED, but they're dual layer LCDs.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You want that in your living room? Also it's 30k since they only make a few at a time and it have inputs/outputs for image mastering. Consumer TVs are lucky to have 2 HDMI 2.1 ports these days. I still don't understand why they do this. All 2023 and later TVs need at least 4 HDMI 2.1, eARC, and a display port 2.0 port and 2 USB ports.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't know about a TV, but I would love this tech in some PC monitors.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't know about a TV, but I would love this tech in some PC monitors.
This gay macgyvered one
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah, these moronic tech troons never experienced 60Hz CRTs being basically unusable while 60Hz LCDs were fine
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah, these moronic tech troons never experienced 60Hz CRTs being basically unusable while 60Hz LCDs were fine
60hz CRTs are excellent for games and content with motion, but utter ass for desktop usage.
LCD/OLEDs are ass for gaming and motion in general, but great for desktop usage.
85+hz CRTs are excellent for games and just fine for desktop.
It's that simple.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
listen man, I've been gaming all my life and I started on CRTs. I'm confident that I'm a thousand times better than you at any genre of game where response time would matter and I'm telling you that LCDs aren't ass for gaming and haven't been ever since the first true 120Hz panels came out. if CRT cope was even close to truth you'd see the best counter-strike, quake, etc. players insisting on lugging CRTs around to tournaments and they don't, and on top of that they don't even use that shit at home. not even the cargo cultists "I MUST USE WHAT THE PROS USE TO WIN" morons are using CRTs for gaming. you're just wrong, full stop, and nobody cares about your opinion no matter how much you insist on it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nta, i still see CRTs being used regularly for speedrunning purposes, which is arguably where latency/response times matter the most, like people can and do use lcd's, but it's not the kind of thing you can just switch between lcd and crt with, the difference matters
i will agree that for 99.9% of people the difference doesn't matter, you can get used to the latency difference to a degree that exceeds any decent lcd, while i still think crts feel nicer to use latency wise, i can understand that most people don't consider it worth the practical disadvantages
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is what you are looking at when playing on an LCD/OLED. This is what causes the horrible sample&hold motion blur, that CRTs do not suffer from.
If you actually knew anything about displays, you'd know the monitors ""counter-strike pros"" use are >absurdly high refresh which reduces sample&hold (fps not attainable in any other games) >backlight strobing (eg BenQ DyAC), literally flickering like a CRT to eliminate persistence blur
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Let me guess, you are European and you had to endure 15KHz 50Hz TVs. Or you used a 60Hz monitor like an animal.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
CRT flickering and consequently headaches basically only happened to morons using them at 60Hz. Literally every CRT monitor supported 75Hz+ and should be used at that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I read queen on my 60 hz tv display. Its an old vizio non smart TV at 1080p
Every time I see a CRT shill I actually ask to buy one that does 2000x1500 resolution at a decent refresh rate from them but as usual no one replies or no one will sell one. my options to get a decent CRT where I live are ZERO so it's basically vaporware
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Every time I see a CRT shill I actually ask to buy one that does 2000x1500 resolution at a decent refresh rate
Yeah I own one. Not selling. They're indeed too valuable these days, these displays are as insane as CRT shills claim. >I read queen on my 60 hz tv display. Its an old vizio non smart TV at 1080p
Yeah that's pretty sad, on a CRT you can read everything just fine
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the point of that statement is that i shouldnt be able to read anything but i could. on the worst display short of the unfindabled 30hz >they are indeed valuable and hard to find
then stop shitting on people for not being lucky enough to own one.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You were able to "read" a blob of blur of the largest most recognizable word on the map that sort of resembles "Queen".
On a CRT you can see EVERY PIXEL
Do you not understand just how fricking blurry display is?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You were able to "read" a blob of blur of the largest most recognizable word on the map that sort of resembles "Queen".
no I was able to read the text just fine moron. >do you not understand how fricking blurry display is
I can tell you never grew up with the shitty CRTs I did, but either way you are ignoring my question.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but either way you are ignoring my question.
What question?
Btw I don't want to use CRTs etther, I want you to demand at least CRT-quality motion from modern displays.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what question
why you keep shitting on anyone not using a CRT that they obviously cant fricking afford to get
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you learn what sample&hold motion blur is, so you can demand better monitors from current manufacturers, so I myself can some day stop using 20+ year old monitors.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I really just want this... I am so sick of not being happy with any display I own these days.
>glowBlack person assets drink reddit cum
Your point, little man?
See pic
If I could pay $20k for
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If I could pay $20k for a 70" 2-ton CRT I would pay for it in addition to the crane service needed for the install. Not to mention the reinforcement to my walls and foundation.
At least I would have a good display.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>da fwee mawket wiww fwee us
moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
^This post aged POORLY
RTINGS just BTFOd all CRT haters and doubters.
Gamma-corrected cumulative deviation measurements that they now use, were pioneered by a CRT gay called a5hun.
All major display reviewers have now switched to a5hun's method. CRTgays, we're winning.
Maybe some day we'll also get the motion clarity of 1900's back.
If CRT was actually good, someone would be making them.
NO ONE makes CRTs.
Manufacturers don't work towards making higher quality goods, rather they prioritize cost cutting in manufacturing to increase profits.
The trouble with cost cutting is that over time people forget how quality goods look, feel and perform. If any customer dare question the quality of a product, the manufacturer goes on to some speech about accessibility for the underprivileged and how your complaints are oppressive.
miniLED does okay-ish with HDR but it sucks donkey dick when it comes to motion clarity. Best to avoid it unless you're unironically still watching things at less than 60 FPS like some uber senile boomer.
First one gives you the best motion clarity without the flickering problems of CRT. The second one doesn't but does better with HDR content compared to plain IPS.
All the OLED hate stems from burn in which isn't as bad as it once was since better energy efficiency = less current so it takes longer to notice the burn in (now years to a decade under normal use).
mini led is cheaper, brighter & has bigger screen size, doesn't burnin
oled still has better image quality but even sony realized no one going to pay double money for 20% gain.
First one gives you the best motion clarity without the flickering problems of CRT. The second one doesn't but does better with HDR content compared to plain IPS.
All the OLED hate stems from burn in which isn't as bad as it once was since better energy efficiency = less current so it takes longer to notice the burn in (now years to a decade under normal use).
NVM, I just asked chatGPT >In summary, OLED offers superior picture quality in terms of contrast, black levels, and color reproduction due to its self-emissive nature, while Mini LED enhances the performance of traditional LCD displays by providing more precise backlight control and improved brightness levels.
MiniLED is just glorified backlight.
Sony probably wants to start pushing back towards their old 10k nits display goals (like that prototype they had ten years ago) because OLED sure as hell will never get them there.
i don't care oled and mini led cost basically the same, but they don't look the same (oled looks way better in [insert picture here]).
JUST GIVE ME A 1080p MINI LED FOR $300
there is always something wrong with these monitors.
in this case 60fps is not something I will return to.
also I forgot I was canadian, so when I say $300 I mean $220.
dont care i love my oled it's really changed movies and games for me. i will upgrade when there has been a real leap in technology because i saw miniled in the store and it looked bad
>I've also 100% converted to OLEDs for mixed usage -- even for Visual Studio / office use on the same computers.
Apparently this crt troony knows more about displays than someone who works in the industry helping develop this tech? It's da consumers fault thoughever.
MiniLED will inherit the Earth. OLED is for people who buy 4 cylinder Mustangs and Camaros. MicroLED will come around eventually, but will take at least a decade for it to properly supplant miniLED due to the cost.
I have spoken.
MiniLED will have 95% of OLED picture quality, and maybe 80% of OLED motion clarity. In return, your panel doesn't literally kill itself with burn in within 3-5 years. People are not ok with buying a new TV so often
>Sony >tend to make fricked up products with flaws including my old x900e tv >morons celebrate as if the decision for miniled is based on durability concerns, forgetting that they have released many of oleds
RTINGS just BTFOd all CRT haters and doubters.
Gamma-corrected cumulative deviation measurements that they now use, were pioneered by a CRT gay called a5hun.
All major display reviewers have now switched to a5hun's method. CRTgays, we're winning.
Maybe some day we'll also get the motion clarity of 1900's back.
>CRT shills at it again
Enjoy your 75 Hz eye cancer and counting your pixels on your low resolution table bricks. >b..but muh overclockable refresh rate!!!
At the cost of image quality. Lmao
much too slow for gayming
considering these overpriced chinkshit
don't even support 4:4:4 120hz or vrr, its no surprise
the israelite fears the samurai, because they're even more greedy
Sony is irrelrvant, they aren't even producing their own panels, they use lg and samsung panels.
Oled is not going anyhwere, the simple fact is sony cannot compete with lg and samsung.
How is the pixel response? It's still lcd based. And 1000/1300 nits vs 4000 nits is just dumb. I'm not watching with the sun coming through the windows straight at the TV. Also it's new tech. Wait at least one generation before buying in.
>morons can't deal with the fact that there is no perfect display
It's no wonder "tech enthusiasts" are moronic and veer into code/software so often. Weak minds can't handle the physical aspects of technology. Pixel peeping is almost always not useful as a consumer metric. It's useful if you want to improve something and narrow down your personal choice, and displays do need improving, but you WILL settle for less in real life usage. You WILL sacrifice aspects you crave. Pick your poison, but don't assume your preferred poison is everyone else's poison.
If I were forced at gunpoint to have an OLED by the end of the year, the LG G4 is the only one I would consider because it can actually get pretty bright. OLED brightness = amazing specular highlights, and that's really what OLED has over good miniLED models. But I would only watch movies and TV on it. My gaming sessions can last 10 hours for days or weeks on end when I really get into a game and I don't want to worry about burn-in (subpixel burn out).
>Be Sony >Make PS5 >Advertise it has VRR >Make a OLED TV and advertise it with your PS5 >It doesn't even have VRR support on the TV >It needs to be patched in via firmware update >MONTHS after you bought it
always has been
fpbp
>all the bad of crt and lcd in one
>durr why didnt it take off
miniled VA is okay for TV's since they can get super bright and the downside of sluggish backlight isnt an issue like it is for gaming
OLED still has superior image quality outside of the brightness niche and works better for gaming due to much better pixel response and no blooming on high contrast edges, or dark smear, or backlight lag
>MiniLED
>Backlight
Are you moronic or just pretending?
are you? miniled != microled
miniled is a type of backlight
That is until the hud elements get bruned in
Now I know how plasmafans felt 30 years ago...
damn..............
ALWAYS HAS BEEN
Cameras and human eyes don't work the same way. The critical flicker fusion varies from person to person for example. Not everyone is a slow motion camera capturing percect detail every 0.1 millisecond.
You know why we abandoned CRT? Flicker fricked your brain, look it up.
If you follow correct procedure, cameras can be used to emulate very accurately what you'd see.
https://blurbusters.com/motion-tests/pursuit-camera/
https://blurbusters.com/motion-tests/pursuit-camera-paper/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_motion_blur
> Both OLED and "Crystal LED" technologies also have response times far shorter than LCD technology, and can reduce motion blur significantly. However, all consumer OLED displays are sample-and-hold,[2][31] which leads to the same amount of motion blur as a conventional LCD.
It's your word against decades of display research.
They literally can't because some people have low critical flicker fusion thresholds. Otherwise consoles would have failed to gain any significant level of adoption by the public as many games are rendered at 30 FPS or lower. Comparing human vision to a camera is the most unscientific thing you could ever do.
We ALL know by know that we shouldn't just blindly "trust the science".
You have no idea what you're talking about. You can test all of this trivially at home.
https://www.testufo.com/photo#photo=toronto-map.png&pps=1440&pursuit=0&height=0&stutterfreq=0&stuttersize=0
You CANNOT read the text on this map, not unless you're using a flickering display, such as a CRT or a strobed LCD.
On a 240hz LCD it's still blurry, but you might be able to recognize some characters.
On a 60hz CRT it'll be as easy to read as if it was still (because your eyes are able to track objects make them effectively be still)
You need 1000+ hz to match a CRT
Human eyeballs ARE NOT the same thing as cameras. Some human eyeballs are better than others which is why CRT died out. The constant flickering was giving people headaches. People quickly realized this when they started using LCD monitors. Even though the motion clarity was worse it wasn't giving people visual lobotomies. OLED essentially brought back that motion clarity without the debilitating flicker of CRT.
THEORETICALLY you could construct a gorrillion different custom cameras each tuned specifically to emulate what say a Black, caucasian, asian, ect might see but nobody wants to do all that shit.
->
>whites are smarter than blacks (bigger prefrontal cortex)
>whites can synthesize safe levels of vitamin D even in cold cloudy winters
But we have the exact same eyeballs? Mind explaining this paradox for us?
>filtered this hard by sample&hold motion blur
>"just ignore wild deviations bro!"
I wonder what kind of genetic defect you CRTroons have that help you avoid getting headaches from all that fricking flickering. It used to drive me nuts, switching from CRT to an LCD is one of the most pleasant memories of my life.
>imagine putting this much effort into defending corpos from giving consumers terrible blurry motion.
I would rather die than use CRT ever again. I'm not a genetic disaster like you lol.
No one really wants CRT again. We just want modern displays with motion quality at least equivalent to CRTs.
because its just that easy. even the blurbusters schizo says OLED is the best we've got for now and at least hes actually working with the industry trying to move the tech forward while you just sit on IQfy crying about the good ol days of crts
He recently said that he switched all his monitors to OLED even for his office/coding work. CRTsissies can't compete with OLEDGODS.
OK zoomer.
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/oled-screen-uniformity-discussion-banding-and-vignetting.2896737
These things have the exact same problems OLEDs have, but worse in different ways.
See
More trash for stupid consoomers. Keep thinking your $2k piece of shit is "good".
mindbroken enough to dig up posts from 2017 seething about a burn in boogieman. my oled still runs perfectly, technology apparently has advanced in 7+ years
This isn't burn in ignorant homosexual. These are brand new panels. Most of these pics are from 2021.
Actually read the thread consoomer.
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/oled-screen-uniformity-discussion-banding-and-vignetting.2896737/
There's one guy in there that works at a distributor and he took 15 of them out of boxes in a dark room and picked out the least bad one. Then boxed them back up and sent them off to stores for consoomers like yourself who enjoy drinking corporate cum.
Just because you're too stupid to calibrate your TV to be able to tell, because your blacks are totally crushed destroying your contrast ratio, doesn't mean this is "burn in".
Burn in doesn't look like this homosexual. It would be like a logo from a TV channel or something. CNN or ESPN logo at some bar is perfect example of what is actually "burn in".
you need medication im not reading 1k pages about burn in or whatever my sony tv doesnt have this problem sorry sweetie
>Frogposter. Like 99% of ignorant dipshits on this board.
"Burn in or whatever", and proceeds to talk as if he knows anything about the technology or anything about screen calibration.
Your Sony does have this problem. You do realize Sony OLEDs use LG panels, right?
God you're a fricking idiot.
Actually calibrate your screen shitlicker. Also load up those 5% slides if you're so confident it isn't there.
Once you see it you will never be able to unsee it either.
you say all this but mine still looks good better than every other display in the store and that ive ever owned. i did calibrate it when i first bought it.
cry all youd like but my tv is better than yours no matter how much you lie to yourself about this moronic nonsense
Just read the very first page, homosexual.
Here's the instructions in pic.
Use this youtube video.
It will take you literally 30 seconds to see it.
im just not doing that, beg cry whine i dont care
Too afraid to test to see if your precious OLED is so good? You will be able to see it forever in every dark scene from now on?
Newer ones are actually somewhat cleaner more often I admit. But if it is a 2020-2022 model kek. Those were the absolute worst.
i bought my tv in december, i just watched harakiri yesterday and i was blown away. dark scenes are fine and when my screen goes black i dont see any banding or whatever you're going on about. success breeds jealousy i wont be hypnotised to hate oleds sister
It is possible you got a clean panel nowadays, but I wouldn't count on it.
Watch this in one of the darker preset modes.
If you aren't watching it like that in a dark room you're just getting crushed blacks, meaning your contrast ratio will suck.
I'm not jealous, just angry dipshits lap up this crap instead of demanding actual uniform panels.
>reddit spacing this hard
at least try to fit in you, coomlord
>glowBlack person assets drink reddit cum
Your point, little man?
cant watch it even if i wanted to noscript wont let me even when i allow it, havent setup any way to watch youtube vids yet. i may watch it later but it really wont bother me i used to use an oled vita with awful banding and burn-in and i thought it looked great unless there was a black screen like during a loading screen (dont have that issue with my tv at all)
Actually ignore the instructions about brightness MAX. Should be much lower than that. Having the brightness that high will just hide it.
I forgot the OP was way out of date.
>best we got
This doesn't mean good. It just means it is the very bestest garbage foisted onto us from corpos.
There's a thousand pages of this shit on avsforums.
LG doesn't give a frick. I thought the biggest strength OLED has was dark room viewing in dark scenes? Too bad at lower stimulus levels they all have horrible uniformity issues because they don't care. Because morons like you will keep asking for more, Like a homosexual at a buffet of cooming dicks.
>oled is the best we've got
If that was true, Sony's $30,000 mastering monitors would be OLED, but they're dual layer LCDs.
You want that in your living room? Also it's 30k since they only make a few at a time and it have inputs/outputs for image mastering. Consumer TVs are lucky to have 2 HDMI 2.1 ports these days. I still don't understand why they do this. All 2023 and later TVs need at least 4 HDMI 2.1, eARC, and a display port 2.0 port and 2 USB ports.
I don't know about a TV, but I would love this tech in some PC monitors.
This gay macgyvered one
yeah, these moronic tech troons never experienced 60Hz CRTs being basically unusable while 60Hz LCDs were fine
60hz CRTs are excellent for games and content with motion, but utter ass for desktop usage.
LCD/OLEDs are ass for gaming and motion in general, but great for desktop usage.
85+hz CRTs are excellent for games and just fine for desktop.
It's that simple.
listen man, I've been gaming all my life and I started on CRTs. I'm confident that I'm a thousand times better than you at any genre of game where response time would matter and I'm telling you that LCDs aren't ass for gaming and haven't been ever since the first true 120Hz panels came out. if CRT cope was even close to truth you'd see the best counter-strike, quake, etc. players insisting on lugging CRTs around to tournaments and they don't, and on top of that they don't even use that shit at home. not even the cargo cultists "I MUST USE WHAT THE PROS USE TO WIN" morons are using CRTs for gaming. you're just wrong, full stop, and nobody cares about your opinion no matter how much you insist on it
nta, i still see CRTs being used regularly for speedrunning purposes, which is arguably where latency/response times matter the most, like people can and do use lcd's, but it's not the kind of thing you can just switch between lcd and crt with, the difference matters
i will agree that for 99.9% of people the difference doesn't matter, you can get used to the latency difference to a degree that exceeds any decent lcd, while i still think crts feel nicer to use latency wise, i can understand that most people don't consider it worth the practical disadvantages
This is what you are looking at when playing on an LCD/OLED. This is what causes the horrible sample&hold motion blur, that CRTs do not suffer from.
If you actually knew anything about displays, you'd know the monitors ""counter-strike pros"" use are
>absurdly high refresh which reduces sample&hold (fps not attainable in any other games)
>backlight strobing (eg BenQ DyAC), literally flickering like a CRT to eliminate persistence blur
Let me guess, you are European and you had to endure 15KHz 50Hz TVs. Or you used a 60Hz monitor like an animal.
CRT flickering and consequently headaches basically only happened to morons using them at 60Hz. Literally every CRT monitor supported 75Hz+ and should be used at that.
I read queen on my 60 hz tv display. Its an old vizio non smart TV at 1080p
Every time I see a CRT shill I actually ask to buy one that does 2000x1500 resolution at a decent refresh rate from them but as usual no one replies or no one will sell one. my options to get a decent CRT where I live are ZERO so it's basically vaporware
>Every time I see a CRT shill I actually ask to buy one that does 2000x1500 resolution at a decent refresh rate
Yeah I own one. Not selling. They're indeed too valuable these days, these displays are as insane as CRT shills claim.
>I read queen on my 60 hz tv display. Its an old vizio non smart TV at 1080p
Yeah that's pretty sad, on a CRT you can read everything just fine
the point of that statement is that i shouldnt be able to read anything but i could. on the worst display short of the unfindabled 30hz
>they are indeed valuable and hard to find
then stop shitting on people for not being lucky enough to own one.
You were able to "read" a blob of blur of the largest most recognizable word on the map that sort of resembles "Queen".
On a CRT you can see EVERY PIXEL
Do you not understand just how fricking blurry display is?
>You were able to "read" a blob of blur of the largest most recognizable word on the map that sort of resembles "Queen".
no I was able to read the text just fine moron.
>do you not understand how fricking blurry display is
I can tell you never grew up with the shitty CRTs I did, but either way you are ignoring my question.
>but either way you are ignoring my question.
What question?
Btw I don't want to use CRTs etther, I want you to demand at least CRT-quality motion from modern displays.
>what question
why you keep shitting on anyone not using a CRT that they obviously cant fricking afford to get
So you learn what sample&hold motion blur is, so you can demand better monitors from current manufacturers, so I myself can some day stop using 20+ year old monitors.
I really just want this... I am so sick of not being happy with any display I own these days.
See pic
If I could pay $20k for
If I could pay $20k for a 70" 2-ton CRT I would pay for it in addition to the crane service needed for the install. Not to mention the reinforcement to my walls and foundation.
At least I would have a good display.
>da fwee mawket wiww fwee us
moron
^This post aged POORLY
the reason we abandoned CRT has everything to do with production costs. you are an easily influenced idiot
Nope, look it up. The flickering was becoming a huge problem for workers.
Watching a few hours of screen flickering = somewhat tolerable.
Watching 8+ hours of screen flickering = hell for most humans.
now do 240hz
If CRT was actually good, someone would be making them.
NO ONE makes CRTs.
you need to take HRT to appreciate CRTs, consider chopping off your pecker so you can read a sign in a game when you move really fast or something
Manufacturers don't work towards making higher quality goods, rather they prioritize cost cutting in manufacturing to increase profits.
The trouble with cost cutting is that over time people forget how quality goods look, feel and perform. If any customer dare question the quality of a product, the manufacturer goes on to some speech about accessibility for the underprivileged and how your complaints are oppressive.
miniLED does okay-ish with HDR but it sucks donkey dick when it comes to motion clarity. Best to avoid it unless you're unironically still watching things at less than 60 FPS like some uber senile boomer.
>oled
>mini led
What's the difference? Does mini led mean just smaller LEDs? Which translates to higher pixel density?
First one gives you the best motion clarity without the flickering problems of CRT. The second one doesn't but does better with HDR content compared to plain IPS.
All the OLED hate stems from burn in which isn't as bad as it once was since better energy efficiency = less current so it takes longer to notice the burn in (now years to a decade under normal use).
Still trying to cover up for the burn-in shit?
I have a used S8 active. Can you please explain to me why it doesn't have any burn in?
mini led is cheaper, brighter & has bigger screen size, doesn't burnin
oled still has better image quality but even sony realized no one going to pay double money for 20% gain.
NVM, I just asked chatGPT
>In summary, OLED offers superior picture quality in terms of contrast, black levels, and color reproduction due to its self-emissive nature, while Mini LED enhances the performance of traditional LCD displays by providing more precise backlight control and improved brightness levels.
MiniLED is just glorified backlight.
Hahaha based, so glad I made it through the rise and fall of the OLED hype cycle without ever buying one.
uhhhhh oledsisters....did the mini led chuds win????
Based. Now oledgays can shut up about it's gloriousness in every fricking monitor/phonegay thread.
Sony probably wants to start pushing back towards their old 10k nits display goals (like that prototype they had ten years ago) because OLED sure as hell will never get them there.
i don't care oled and mini led cost basically the same, but they don't look the same (oled looks way better in [insert picture here]).
JUST GIVE ME A 1080p MINI LED FOR $300
>for $300
Miniled is not that expensive. Price is why it has fast adopting rate
there is always something wrong with these monitors.
in this case 60fps is not something I will return to.
also I forgot I was canadian, so when I say $300 I mean $220.
dont care i love my oled it's really changed movies and games for me. i will upgrade when there has been a real leap in technology because i saw miniled in the store and it looked bad
mini led is cope
youre cope
Based. I bought a 68" mini LED panel last year as my main PC monitor. Winning.
good, oled was absolute burning in goyslop
see
I cant afford it so it has burn in and it's bad.
>he's too dumb to understand sample&hold motion blur
I'm curious what the contrast ratio is on their new flagship miniled.
hisense flagship reached 160000:1 with all the features turned on.
All of you need to stop acting like you know anything about display technology.
Seems like they finally decided to upgrade the SoC. Time to move the X900F to the bathroom.
>MUH AI Processor
What a homosexual. Can I get a uniform screen with good motion clarity please?
Consoom that jaculatin' coom harder.
nothing short of microLED is going to make me switch away from QD-OLED
>I've also 100% converted to OLEDs for mixed usage -- even for Visual Studio / office use on the same computers.
Apparently this crt troony knows more about displays than someone who works in the industry helping develop this tech? It's da consumers fault thoughever.
oh nonononono crtsissies how dare she betray us... what about the motion clarity...
It's only obsolete if people stop using it. Now stfu Chinaman.
OLED cucks destroyed
why is he so mad?
the chink that runs that channel is a well known oled shill. he has no shame at all.
because he rarely reviews anything other than flagship and most flagships in recent years are oled
MiniLED will inherit the Earth. OLED is for people who buy 4 cylinder Mustangs and Camaros. MicroLED will come around eventually, but will take at least a decade for it to properly supplant miniLED due to the cost.
I have spoken.
MiniLED will have 95% of OLED picture quality, and maybe 80% of OLED motion clarity. In return, your panel doesn't literally kill itself with burn in within 3-5 years. People are not ok with buying a new TV so often
oled will still be a bit better until microled starts rolling out, we're 80% there w/ miniled tho, i fricking hate oled like you wouldn't believe
>shun
>Sony
>tend to make fricked up products with flaws including my old x900e tv
>morons celebrate as if the decision for miniled is based on durability concerns, forgetting that they have released many of oleds
RTINGS just BTFOd all CRT haters and doubters.
Gamma-corrected cumulative deviation measurements that they now use, were pioneered by a CRT gay called a5hun.
All major display reviewers have now switched to a5hun's method. CRTgays, we're winning.
Maybe some day we'll also get the motion clarity of 1900's back.
>rtings
shill website
OLEDlets bros, we won!
>CRT shills at it again
Enjoy your 75 Hz eye cancer and counting your pixels on your low resolution table bricks.
>b..but muh overclockable refresh rate!!!
At the cost of image quality. Lmao
much too slow for gayming
considering these overpriced chinkshit
don't even support 4:4:4 120hz or vrr, its no surprise
the israelite fears the samurai, because they're even more greedy
Can these half-baked shitshows hold a candle against age-old Kuro in 2024 or is the old king still peerless?
I don't know what technology my screen uses
it's big and it was cheap, and it just werks for me
t. not a gaymer
if you don't know and it was cheap then it's probably a TN LCD
Sony is irrelrvant, they aren't even producing their own panels, they use lg and samsung panels.
Oled is not going anyhwere, the simple fact is sony cannot compete with lg and samsung.
How is the pixel response? It's still lcd based. And 1000/1300 nits vs 4000 nits is just dumb. I'm not watching with the sun coming through the windows straight at the TV. Also it's new tech. Wait at least one generation before buying in.
It's sample&hold trash, it doesn't matter what the pixel response time is. It's blurry regardless.
It's for HDR
dolby vision HDR supports 10,000 nits
miniled bloom is absolute dogshit
>morons can't deal with the fact that there is no perfect display
It's no wonder "tech enthusiasts" are moronic and veer into code/software so often. Weak minds can't handle the physical aspects of technology. Pixel peeping is almost always not useful as a consumer metric. It's useful if you want to improve something and narrow down your personal choice, and displays do need improving, but you WILL settle for less in real life usage. You WILL sacrifice aspects you crave. Pick your poison, but don't assume your preferred poison is everyone else's poison.
Did it stop working? If so, fix it. If not, stfu you consumerist baby.
Sony OLEDs were pure garbage. They used LG's inferior scrap panels. There was literally no reason to buy a Sony OLED over a LG OLED.
If I were forced at gunpoint to have an OLED by the end of the year, the LG G4 is the only one I would consider because it can actually get pretty bright. OLED brightness = amazing specular highlights, and that's really what OLED has over good miniLED models. But I would only watch movies and TV on it. My gaming sessions can last 10 hours for days or weeks on end when I really get into a game and I don't want to worry about burn-in (subpixel burn out).
>Be Sony
>Make PS5
>Advertise it has VRR
>Make a OLED TV and advertise it with your PS5
>It doesn't even have VRR support on the TV
>It needs to be patched in via firmware update
>MONTHS after you bought it
Thanks for beta testing :^)
Just like they put on the box that it supports 8K but to this date there's no way to get 8K output out of it.
>PS5
>sony TV
sony electronics and Sony entertainment are not the same company.