Entropy applies to closed systems only. If the Universe is infinite in age and extent, entropy doesnt apply. Besides, its a mathematical construct, not something that really exists.
As far as the expanding universe model, that thing changes by the day. Who knows what form it will have tomorrow. Its foundations are flawed anyways because redshift is intrinsic, not recessional.
the universe contracts infinitely in one direction of spacetime and expands infinnitely in the other direction of spacetime. The big bang is just the earliest event we can measure. It does not in any way prove cyclic cosmology "wrong" you're just a dunning-kruger armchair physicist on IQfy
2 months ago
Anonymous
>The big bang is just the earliest event we can measure
More like it's the earliest event where time even makes sense in our current understanding. What we need is evidence not capeshit tier science fiction. There is no reason to suspect there was ever a "before" for it. As Hawkings said, it's like asking what is south of the South Pole.
2 months ago
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It's rather hard to obtain evidence from an unique event that happened billions of years ago, especially if confined into a single planet.
https://i.imgur.com/PCH3GYU.jpg
>organic life was catalysed by a stray space rock hitting the primordial earth soup
give me a funnier creation myth
It's a hypothesis, not a baseless assertion like Genesis is. All scientists will admit that in the end they don't know and can just propose theories.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>It's rather hard to obtain evidence from an unique event that happened billions of years ago, especially if confined into a single planet.
It is highly likely that it will be impossible to get that evidence forever. Until then, the cyclic model remains a completely made up model and it doesn't really have explanatory power.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No one knows anon. You Christians are just retreating to the remaining gaps in knowledge and holding as if you haven’t been pushed back for hundreds, arguably nearly 2000 years straight.
Unlike a conflict there is no nobility in fighting retreat as we should all be on the same side of truth.
>The Big Bang is a physical theory that describes how the universe expanded from an initial state of high density and temperature.
Please show where exactly do you see "nothing exploded into everything".
2 months ago
Anonymous
What existed prior to the Big Bang?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>an initial state of high density and temperature
2 months ago
Anonymous
What existed before it that caused it to happen? Nothing? Did it create itself as well as time?
2 months ago
Anonymous
We don't know and currently have no way of knowing.
2 months ago
Anonymous
in b4 "therefore goddidit"
2 months ago
Anonymous
Their beliefs are 100% blind-faith, but they'll never be honest about it because they need tax-funded indoctrination to keep their evolution religion alive.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The Big Bang Theory actually was hated and despised by fedora-atheists of the day because back then those atheists believed that the Universe always existed and by stating it had a "creation point" means that there had to be a Creator or some kind of external force (God, basically) that created it.
before the universe, there was a israelite. and the israelite then said stuff which made stuff. and then the israelite reincarnated as himself himself to kill himself 2000 years later because you touch yourself at night.
>organic life was catalysed by a stray space rock hitting the primordial earth soup
give me a funnier creation myth
I can't believe I used to believe this shit at one point just because it's taught in schools as "science" and reinforced in mass media. Most of it is nowhere near observable or repeatable, just blind faith beliefs of history and origins. Most of it contradicts actual science.
>entropy and the expanding universe model
Fake and gay
Coping atheist, just believe what your teacher told you to recite on a test and don't believe what mass media mocks.
Rabbi sandBlack person made the world in 7 days, which is actually a billion years because time works differently for god we just didn't know this until recently
My favorite part of your image is that every single part is wrong.
Budgies and really any modern birds are not direct ancestors of tyrannosaurs.
Prairie dogs are not the ancestors of tyrannosaurs,
Axolotls are not ancestors of prairie dogs.
You just do not understand these concepts at all and you’ve think you’ve refuted them.
It’s just outside your wheelhouse.
That doesn't explain anything. We wouldn't need neither of them to perform the same actions that were responsible for the route natural selection took to shape us.
What are you looking for? Magic? This isn't IQfy you know?
The philosophical question of what is consciousness is an ever ongoing debate?
You think you can solve it here?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>You think you can solve it here?
No obviously not but your suggestion of how it happened is not helpful and that is all I am pointing out.
2 months ago
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It's tied to our brains, and are brains are a product of evolution.
That copacetic to you?
Also, wasn't the same anon anyway.
The Chinese myth is interesting. There was this personified cosmic force named Pangu who was growing in an egg for 18k years. Somehow he got an axe with which he separated yin and yang, then he started growing to push them apart and keep them separate. Then he died and became the universe.
Aside from pan spermia that you just referred to, there's only abiogenesis.
That's the answer that you're looking for basically.
That or the one variation thereof involving a rock.
Did you get your kicks OP?
Did you have a nice lap slap at that?
BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE >BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE
BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE >BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE
BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE
it was created by volcanic vents creating particles, bubbles and cavities with various levels of carbon, oxygen, phosphorous etc.
at some point there emerged a domino-effect where a bubble was able to continue a chemical reaction within itself to the point where it happed all over the place.
eventually the bubbles also developed the ability to split into two bubblereactions when growing without popping either of them.
tldr;
the origin of life is rusty bubbles.
>old dude says "Fiat lux, dount iit froot"
Before the Big Bang, there was nothing. Then that nothing exploded and created everything.
What if you believe the universe always existed?
Then you are big dumb because entropy and the expanding universe model proves you wrong.
>entropy and the expanding universe model
Fake and gay
Entropy applies to closed systems only. If the Universe is infinite in age and extent, entropy doesnt apply. Besides, its a mathematical construct, not something that really exists.
As far as the expanding universe model, that thing changes by the day. Who knows what form it will have tomorrow. Its foundations are flawed anyways because redshift is intrinsic, not recessional.
the universe contracts infinitely in one direction of spacetime and expands infinnitely in the other direction of spacetime. The big bang is just the earliest event we can measure. It does not in any way prove cyclic cosmology "wrong" you're just a dunning-kruger armchair physicist on IQfy
>The big bang is just the earliest event we can measure
More like it's the earliest event where time even makes sense in our current understanding. What we need is evidence not capeshit tier science fiction. There is no reason to suspect there was ever a "before" for it. As Hawkings said, it's like asking what is south of the South Pole.
It's rather hard to obtain evidence from an unique event that happened billions of years ago, especially if confined into a single planet.
It's a hypothesis, not a baseless assertion like Genesis is. All scientists will admit that in the end they don't know and can just propose theories.
>It's rather hard to obtain evidence from an unique event that happened billions of years ago, especially if confined into a single planet.
It is highly likely that it will be impossible to get that evidence forever. Until then, the cyclic model remains a completely made up model and it doesn't really have explanatory power.
No one knows anon. You Christians are just retreating to the remaining gaps in knowledge and holding as if you haven’t been pushed back for hundreds, arguably nearly 2000 years straight.
Unlike a conflict there is no nobility in fighting retreat as we should all be on the same side of truth.
That's not what big bang theory says
Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
Yes it does.
Nuh uh
Yes
>The Big Bang is a physical theory that describes how the universe expanded from an initial state of high density and temperature.
Please show where exactly do you see "nothing exploded into everything".
What existed prior to the Big Bang?
>an initial state of high density and temperature
What existed before it that caused it to happen? Nothing? Did it create itself as well as time?
We don't know and currently have no way of knowing.
in b4 "therefore goddidit"
Their beliefs are 100% blind-faith, but they'll never be honest about it because they need tax-funded indoctrination to keep their evolution religion alive.
The Big Bang Theory actually was hated and despised by fedora-atheists of the day because back then those atheists believed that the Universe always existed and by stating it had a "creation point" means that there had to be a Creator or some kind of external force (God, basically) that created it.
Atheists were smarter back then
That's not what the Big Bang Theory states at all though. Why are Christians on this board so low IQ?
before the universe, there was a israelite. and the israelite then said stuff which made stuff. and then the israelite reincarnated as himself himself to kill himself 2000 years later because you touch yourself at night.
I can't believe I used to believe this shit at one point just because it's taught in schools as "science" and reinforced in mass media. Most of it is nowhere near observable or repeatable, just blind faith beliefs of history and origins. Most of it contradicts actual science.
Coping atheist, just believe what your teacher told you to recite on a test and don't believe what mass media mocks.
you just believe what poltards told you to recite to win arguments on IQfy
Cope harder, bunkercuck tourist. You'll never fit in or belong here.
you believe a israelite created the universe
What do you believe now?
Rabbi sandBlack person made the world in 7 days, which is actually a billion years because time works differently for god we just didn't know this until recently
My favorite part of your image is that every single part is wrong.
Budgies and really any modern birds are not direct ancestors of tyrannosaurs.
Prairie dogs are not the ancestors of tyrannosaurs,
Axolotls are not ancestors of prairie dogs.
You just do not understand these concepts at all and you’ve think you’ve refuted them.
It’s just outside your wheelhouse.
Big bang says that all matter that ever existed was compressed into a singularity and exploded. It will happen again in like a septillion years
extra terrestrial amino acids
Egyptian ejaculates and eats his semen or something
what
There probably was a moment when all of space was hot enough to be hospitable as a primordial life soup.
But how did consciousness and the mind come to be?
millions of years of evolution
That doesn't explain anything. We wouldn't need neither of them to perform the same actions that were responsible for the route natural selection took to shape us.
What are you looking for? Magic? This isn't IQfy you know?
The philosophical question of what is consciousness is an ever ongoing debate?
You think you can solve it here?
>You think you can solve it here?
No obviously not but your suggestion of how it happened is not helpful and that is all I am pointing out.
It's tied to our brains, and are brains are a product of evolution.
That copacetic to you?
Also, wasn't the same anon anyway.
The Chinese myth is interesting. There was this personified cosmic force named Pangu who was growing in an egg for 18k years. Somehow he got an axe with which he separated yin and yang, then he started growing to push them apart and keep them separate. Then he died and became the universe.
Aside from pan spermia that you just referred to, there's only abiogenesis.
That's the answer that you're looking for basically.
That or the one variation thereof involving a rock.
Did you get your kicks OP?
Did you have a nice lap slap at that?
>the universe existed for gorillions of years
>how do I know that? well it's because the Science™ told me.
Yeah, the one where a Canaanite god created the universe in 6 "days" is funnier.
BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE
>BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE
BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE
>BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE
BIG BANG IS NOT A CREATION POINT ACCORDING TO THIS MODEL THE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EXISTED WHEN IT HAPPENED IT DESCRIBES A CHANGE IN THE STATE OF ALRERADY EXISTING UNIVERSE NOT A CREATION OF IT EX NIHILO STOP PERPETUATING THIS RETARED MISUNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THIS NONSENCE
You can't argue with people who purposefully misunderstand something. Don't bother losing your mind over it.
>SCIENCE DOES NOT AND CAN NOT DEAL WITH QUESTIONS SUCH AS THE ORIGIN OF UNIVERSE
I accept your concession.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. Also, that’s a gross oversimplification and not even the most likely scenario.
>organic life was catalysed by a stray space rock hitting the primordial earth soup
who ever said this?
it was created by volcanic vents creating particles, bubbles and cavities with various levels of carbon, oxygen, phosphorous etc.
at some point there emerged a domino-effect where a bubble was able to continue a chemical reaction within itself to the point where it happed all over the place.
eventually the bubbles also developed the ability to split into two bubblereactions when growing without popping either of them.
tldr;
the origin of life is rusty bubbles.