Is philosophy forbidden in Islam? It appears to be so for many Sunnis, but even then there are others who disagree. The Shi'ites seem to be more in favor of.
Especially when it comes to Ilm Al-Kalam, but what would separate it from "other Islamic philosophy" if it specifically is excluded?
What I find ridiculous is the aversion towards philosophy as to not question or seek knowledge, which contradicts the supposed obligation to seek knowledge. I've read that the distinction is in useful and useless knowledge, but isn't that a philosophical question and pursuit in of itself?
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it doesnt seem to be forbidden, since philosophical interpretations are allowed in multiple mainstream islamic countries. but it is frowned upon.
especially because of idiotic narcissists like reddit atheists, who think their beliefs they thought about for ten minutes means theyre right, try to challenge islamic orthodoxy, so that the people around them can die early deaths from intoxication and cause multiple single mothers, some of whom suicide from the stress. thats the power of atheism.
>it doesnt seem to be forbidden
That's just false
please leave your shell. muslims engage with philosophy just fine.
Look in the mirror and you will find in there the person you are describing.
There's nothing forbidding it, it's just that muslims are unfortunately lacking in mental faculty.
>so that the people around them can die early deaths from intoxication and cause multiple single mothers, some of whom suicide from the stress.
That happens just as frequently among orthodox muslims though?
those muslims arent following their own laws, and because atheists have no laws, atheists are per capita far more guilty of it.
Pompous homosexual. I doubt you could even hold a basic philosophical conversation.
thats a given considering hes esl and an ex muslim brownoid
Avicenna? He was not only one of the most important pre-modern philosophers but also a Sunni.
Philosophy in the true sense is incompatible with any religion, but arguably, especially the Abrahamic ones.
>random fedora thinks he knows better than Aquinas, Augustine, Avicenna and Maimonides
lol
There was an entire school of muslim built upon the works of Aristotle years before the early scholastics. I'm supposed to be a dumbass American here and even I know that
muslim philosophy*
>which contradicts the supposed obligation to seek knowledge
a lot of "philosophy" is not worth learning, like Nietzsche and Hegel. Some muslims might disagree with me, but even Kant and the Analytic school is sort of senseless and worthless.
As for pre-modern philosophy, most muslim scholars read the Greeks, had their own opinions of them, but ultimately, it's all just speculation. There is true and sure knowledge which comes from God, then there's philosophy which comes from man.
It cannot be said that learning philosophy is forbidden, but i impart this hadith (pic related) to show how a muslim should approach the theories of man
The hadith is authentic according to Al-Albani
>Islam is the religion that has most completely combined and intermingled political and religious power, so that the high priest is necessarily the prince, and the prince the high priest, and all acts of civil and political life are more or less regulated by religious law.
>Because of this, the existence of a separate body placed, as in Catholicism for example, alongside civil and political society to direct religious society, was not needed.
>This is a credit to Islam. For a priestly body is in itself the source of much social unrest, and when religion can be powerful without the help of such a means, it is to be praised.
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>As the Quran is the common source from which religious law, civil law and even, in part, secular science are derived, the same education is given to those who wish to become ministers of religion, doctors of the law, judges and even scholars. The sovereign takes indiscriminately from this class of scholars the ministers of religion or imams, the doctors of the law or muftis and the judges or qadis. These different professions do not give any indelible character to the person wearing them. So there is a religion, but there is no priesthood. This is all the more true because the Algerian population is more like the Arabs of the Prophet, more nomadic and more tribal. It seems that, in the Arab tribes of Algeria, the trace of a clerical body is barely visible, whereas in Constantinople there is something more akin to a religious hierarchy.
-Alexis de Tocqueville
It's difficult to speak about an "Islamic Philosophy", because theories of justice, law, and metaphysics are very much combined in Islam. As such, there is not a distinct class of "philosophers", but rather a body of educated people who's work constitutes an all-encompassing philosophy of justice, politics, metaphysics, medicine, and so on. Some scholars, such as al-Kindi and al-Farabi were more directly influenced by Greek philosophy than most, although their influence is not necessarily widespread and even during their lifetime they had detractors following the line of reasoning shown in
One outlier worth considering is al-Razi, who is considered by many to be a Neo-Platonist, although his beliefs are hardly in line with mainstream Islamic thought. That being said, a young Imam at a sunni mosque I used to attend made a very convincing argument for Plato, Aflatoon, being considered a prophet of a different lineage than the less controversially accepted Abrahamic prophets. This is hardly a widespread belief, but it does exist. There are even Islamic sects in Persia which recognize the prophethood of Hermes Trismegistus within the Islamic tradition.
Never heard of the argument of Plato being a prophet. Why do Muslims like him so much?
All midwits like Plato
>they are all worthless except me :3 because I should be the one deciding what's right and true because I'm actually incapable of discussing anything in earnest and I'm too incapable of living unless the whole world conforms to my insecurities by state control
I wish nothing but torture and death upon every Muslim and Arab.
god and his messenger are the only authorities of truth. whatever contradicts them is false. and we find many destructive thoughts and ideas within philosophy that directly lead to the collapse of western civilization
>well you see MY god and MY messenger are the authorities of truth, your ones are false because my said so :3
Also ""collapse of western civilization"? Are you still in high school?
It's just an objective criteria for truth. This is the difference between islamic thought and western philosophy:
>my idea conflicts with revelation, my idea must be wrong
>my idea conflicts with revelation, let me interpret this verse a different way, you know what? maybe i know better than god, maybe man is the source of truth
I'd be happy if Christians follow the Bible fully, yet they don't because they regard their intellect higher than they regard the Intellect
>MY idea conforms to MY revelation which is the only objectively true one because I said so
also
>their intellect
At least someone between you has some intellect.
Al Ghazali said philosophy was dumb
True Islamic philosophy is just Advaita, Taoist, Buddhist. Anything that deviates from this is a falsehood.
Read pic related OP. Muslims chimped out and revolted against philosophy.
>abandoning MY version of intellectualism is intellectual suicide
Muslims just moved past philosophy through dialectic. There is no such thing as "muslim intellectual suicide", you people just don't recognize the intellectualism that still even alive today, it's just a different framework
Damn Allah.
Damn Muhammad.
Damn you.
Worship me instead.
I am the true prophet.
Reject me and go to hell.
I am not a pedophile, so already I am a few steps ahead.
You need to read the Incoherence of the Philosophers
Al-Ghazali was not wrong even though I'm not Muslim
The problem is that christianity's hellenic DNA allows it to think with philosophy while the lack of hellenic DNA in islam means that philosophy is never allowed to leave the sandbox of orthodoxy because islam considers itself to be too self-evident to need philosophical justification or to ever be contradicted by philosophy, unlike christianity where sound theology was an extremely important matter from the beginnings and philosophy was seen as the handmaiden or religion rather than its opponent.