If you have a Macbook from 2012 guess what the newest version of MacOS is that you can install on it.
Catalina.
2 versions ago.
It's all the same shit. The only reason why they would need to do things in a way that obsoletes 5 year old phones is if they're bloating it with even more surveillance bullshit as if it wasn't bad enough that were already selling your data.
you can actually run the latest mac OS. apple's decision is entirely arbitrary and forced by corporate decisions rather than hardware problems
https://osxdaily.com/2021/11/30/installing-macos-monterey-on-unsupported-macs/
they're mad as frick that their older hardware was actually reliable and people are actually still using it with new problems. if old hardware works, they're missing out on hundreds, most likely tens of thousands of sales. once a computer passes the 10 year mark it's safe to assume that it will work for several more decades without abuse or severe neglect. their newer hardware is much, much less reliable. my mid 2012 macbook pro? 0 problems. the 2020 my wife bought for me? it had so many faults it was returned so now i have an ancient macbook and a slightly less ancient dell.
>they're mad as frick
Apple has always had a policy of only supporting hardware for seven years after discontinuation. All they've done is bring their software support in line with the hardware. I've run unsupported versions of macOS on old hardware, and the experience ranges from completely fine to dumpster fire. They don't want to support dozens of different hardware profiles for hardware they're no longer selling, and I don't blame them.
>7 years of support >Longest support lifespan of any phone ever >iToddlers BTFO
OK. I switched to iOS after Samsung fricked me on updates after 2 years, discontinuing security updates after 3 years, long after my carrier decided to delay updates like six months regularly. I felt so free because I could opt out by destroying any semblance of security I had by downloading a custom ROM.
Linux has problems with support period, unless you're using it as a server.
Normally I'd say I agree but I bought my 6a at fricking launch and am thrilled to have had it last for almost seven years. If you daily drive a 6s 64GB like I do it's due. Incredible run but while America has bought 1 or 2 phones since '15 I'm thinking of getting a 14 Pro 512GB for the next 5-7yrs.
If you can make it on 64gb for 7 years, 256gb is more than enough unless you just want to record a bunch of prores footage for some reason.
>TFW even Microsoft can pull this off.
Bullshit. There are tons of old drivers that work poorly or not at all. One of the main reasons Windows has such a bad reputation for being unstable.
>TFW even Microsoft can pull this off.
Do you mean windows which will automatically download drivers that bluescreen your computer at boot and cause screentearing on a 4 year old gpu?
>6+ years of support
very nice, no let's see Samsung's support.
If you have a Macbook from 2012 guess what the newest version of MacOS is that you can install on it.
Catalina.
2 versions ago.
It's all the same shit. The only reason why they would need to do things in a way that obsoletes 5 year old phones is if they're bloating it with even more surveillance bullshit as if it wasn't bad enough that were already selling your data.
>hardware degrades
I'm using a 13 year old laptop and have never, ever had a problem. X86 is still used by everyone doing real work. AFAIK only apple really obsoletes old hardware. Just ask anyone with a PPC mac. Every few decades they need to make a change that forces anyone still clinging on to upgrade. In this case, the change is totally artificial.
>BUT OLD STUFF WILL BREAK SOMEHOW
Why? It won't run animations as smoothly? Grow up. It's a TOOL. Not a stress ball or a mood ring.
>the company will simply add your hardware ID to a blacklist even though it still works because they're salty about you not consooming product
Like I said when apple forces obsolescence for my phone I'm just using a shitdroid. I'd rather have a phone the kiddos don't think is cool that works until it breaks than put up with tim cook's bullshit.
Of course I have the luxury of using whatever the frick I want. I'm alone on a board full of ugly shut in virgins who have no wealth or personality or chins, so all they have to attract women is their up to date phones.
I think it should be law that manufacturers must release tools to allow users to change the software when a product is no longer supported. It's bullshit that companies are able to get away with buying smaller companies and then turn around and make products into doorstops just because someone doesn't want to migrate a server.
>hardware degrades.
No, it's literally the same hardware. It does not get slower over time, new hardware gets faster for the same power usage and software gets heavier by either adding features or being written in more-higher level languages.
>hardware degrades
not really
pretty much only the battery wears out, and that's replaceabl-
phones have been fast enough for a long time now, people call android slow and bloated, but my nearly 8 year old phone gets weekly lineageos updates and runs as fast as it ever did
>AMD-K5 90MHz >128M
i wouldn't even want to run XP on that
still cool though, in general i prefer if my software didn't arbitrarily stopped working and i could decide for myself when i think my hardware runs new software too slowly for my liking
>7 years old
That's not even old. Call it old when it doesn't support 4G. An old laptop for instance only supports wifi up to 802.11g and doesn't have USB 3.0 and its only display port is fricking VGA or DVI. What major advances are you missing out on? They made it bigger and less convenient? The camera is slightly nicer? What important functions are missing?
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're mixing up old and obsolete
a 4G-capable phone isn't obsolete, but it can be old in the sense that they're older than how long most people keep a phone for
my my S4 is a 4G-capable phone, and it's 9 years old, very few people keep a phone that long, actually i stopped using it regularly at the end of last year because a friend gave me another phone which is a few years newer than this with otherwise no downsides
2 years ago
Anonymous
Old does not matter. Obsolete does.
Comparing mature desktop computing to only recently maturing smartphones is fricking stupid.
Smartphones have been mature for well over a decade.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Smartphones have been mature for well over a decade
In what way? There was a lot of evolution up until about five years ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Comparing mature desktop computing to only recently maturing smartphones is fricking stupid.
>baseddevs deprecate hardware by bad design >grow up. hardware degrades. old hardware will run new software poorly. backwards compatibility is a major burden.
This is why coof was a blessing that didn't succeed
ridiculous thread for a technology board. Apple supports hardware for a great amount of time. 6 and 7 years? That's about all you need and more than enough. They'll still repair it for you, and it's not like it's just going to stop working because it doesn't get the newest os.
>let's see Samsung's support
Samsung are the apple of android with all the shitty practices, except their support is 3 years long so I spit on them just as much as you do
Google support is ∞ through Treble
[...] >>you could just install a different, unofficial system >no verified boot >no firmware updates >no rollback protection >shit SELinux policies >userdebug botnet enabled by default
I would rather use an IPhone 5 than your insecure pajeetware
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/android.html
on iphones if you are one version behind, half the programs you use will stop working, and after a year you will only have telegram and geometry dash working left (even angry birds requires latest version of ios) >source: trust me bro
>no rollback protection >no verified boot
that's a feature
if I wanna rollback, I rollback >shit SELinux policies >userdebug botnet enabled by default
not on proper roms
Nice cope, Androjeet. Verified boot is not a "botnet", the feature prevents any tampering with your bootloader
https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot
>the ANTI feature prevents you to use your bootloader
lol
Phones have automatic updates that you can't turn off. That's how Windows was able to justify doing it.
All Android phones past Ice Cream Sandwich (a long ass time ago) have it. Cope.
Android != Samsung
none of the phones I used for the last 12 years had forced automatic updates
>support phone for 6 years >planned obsolescence
Compared to android flagships with Qualcon SoCs that kill update support after 2 years, not bad. Besides, people would just complain that their phones are throttled to hell in order to even run it.
[...] >iphone 6S released in 2015 >will still receive updates until Sept of this year
Meanwhile >Google Pixel 2 released in 2017 >stopped even getting security updates in 2020
And to all the other gays, never heard of rooting. You can basically flash LinageOS (lightweight android) on the most phones. Even i still use a Samsung Galaxy S5 with linageOS (Android 11). and this b***h runns clean. And this shit is easy to do. Jailbraking an Iphone is shit, i had to do this shit for some apple gays in the past.
Jailbreak is pure and unfiltered copium, a jailbroken iOS is still cucked as frick and can barely do what Android does out the box, not to mention when rooted.
Try to hold onto it for 10 years. I don't really give a shit about mobile apps and don't game on my phone so my plan is that as long as voice calling, sms, and internet browsing works I'm not gonna change anything. Phones that you can get to interface with a computer for calling through the PC is what I use. I have old people in my family who won't ever be able to use a smart phone, so I use the cell phone as a modem and let the computer act as the dialer.
I am a married man and my wife and I have iPhones. I have never given a single frick if you homosexuals make fun of me. I know you are all kissless virgin poorgays.
>I am a married man and my wife and I have iPhones. I have never given a single frick if you homosexuals make fun of me. I know you are all kissless virgin poorgays
>kissless virgin poorgays
Anon you were moronic enough to get married. If you're under 35 and married you've cucked yourself. You're supposed to spend 18-35 fricking as many womenas you can. 35+ is for getting married and fricking escorts on the side.
>modernity >when this is exactly what people have done for thousands of years
you fell for the christcuck propaganda.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>christcuck
You have to go back.
Fricking shit fricks, i have an SE 1st generation since 2018, and now they wont update it anymore?? theyre trying to force me into buying a new device just for a shitty update? Just support it for 2 more years and maybe i'll think about getting a iphone 8 or something appletards
It's the same SoC as the 6S
>a few years
Yeah for like a year or so. I've been there, this phone is fricking useless nowadays, literally worse than a Moto G I still have around.
It's obvious you only use your phones to consoom because I still use a third-gen iPad daily. I even updated VLC today.
>let's see Samsung's support
Samsung are the apple of android with all the shitty practices, except their support is 3 years long so I spit on them just as much as you do
Google support is ∞ through Treble
[...] >no rollback protection >no verified boot
that's a feature
if I wanna rollback, I rollback >shit SELinux policies >userdebug botnet enabled by default
not on proper roms
[...] >the ANTI feature prevents you to use your bootloader
lol
[...]
[...]
Android != Samsung
none of the phones I used for the last 12 years had forced automatic updates
>Android != Samsung
It's the closest comparison. You would expect Scamsung to come close to matching Apple, and yet they're still doing the same bullshit they were doing back when I had a Galaxy. >ANTI feature
Go back to fricking your African mammal.
>noooo you can't just stop supporting really old products >once you make something you have to pay to maintain it until the sun explodes >even if the only user is a basement dwelling schizo on IQfy
Yeah, Windows Phone was a bliss to upgrade, like, it had only about 3 versions to begin with and most devices stuck with the one it was shipped with, but yeah, apple dropping a phone from 2016 is „evil“.
>support phone for 6 years >planned obsolescence
Compared to android flagships with Qualcon SoCs that kill update support after 2 years, not bad. Besides, people would just complain that their phones are throttled to hell in order to even run it.
>iphone 6S released in 2015 >will still receive updates until Sept of this year
Meanwhile >Google Pixel 2 released in 2017 >stopped even getting security updates in 2020
>Lack of support for old phone models is the one thing you cannot accuse Apple of.
This only became true for the 6S and up. Apple wouldn't even update the original iPhone to iOS 4 even though they did for the 3G which was basically the same except for the modem.
>while on iphones if you are one version behind, half the programs you use will stop working
Not at all true. I'm using an iPad Mini 2 that stopped with iOS 12 and every app I could ever need will still run on it, only Netflix has moved up to iOS 13 (which is moronic since things like Amazon Prime and Apple TV support all the way back to 9).
>phones manufactured in 2010 still work and support everything you would need
Poorly. Very poorly. Even when I had an old Nexus, as apps got updated to support newer versions they became too bloat to run on old phones. My Nexus 4 would shit its pants if it tired to run Netflix.
That and 3G will be completely dead soon, so older phones will be useless bricks soon. Fricking shame since I still like my Nexus 4.
Screen, performance, and battery life. And even though Safari has aged like milk, it still handles TLS better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Screen
A bit hard to believe. Don't order iPads still use LCDs both newer Androids have AMOLED or oled? They also has 120 hertz if you care about that. Screen to body ratio is also better depending on what device you get, if you care about that.
>Performance
Eeehhh debatable. My current tab s8 has eight gigs of RAM and has given me no problems despite the shit ton of unnecessary apps I have installed and background services like Syncthing and a Python terminal app running. It definitely shits on my S20FE's performance
>handles TLS better.
Would you mind elaborating? How is Safari internet browsing security better? I'm not very knowledgeable on web development or web security or anything like that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>A bit hard to believe. Don't order iPads still use LCDs both newer Androids have AMOLED or oled? They also has 120 hertz if you care about that. Screen to body ratio is also better depending on what device you get, if you care about that.
Newer IPads have OLED screens and supports high refresh rate >Eeehhh debatable. My current tab s8 has eight gigs of RAM and has given me no problems despite the shit ton of unnecessary apps I have installed and background services like Syncthing and a Python terminal app running. It definitely shits on my S20FE's performance
The M1 chip has better performance than your Samsung shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The M1 chip has better performance than your Samsung shit
I thought I was talking to someone intelligent but of course itoddlers have to be elitist.... Shouldn't you be in bed? It's past your bedtime.
Also you're in one iPads can even take full advantage of all that power anyway. Sure it'll be good rendering some 3D shit, videos, or allow some 2D artist to have more layers come up but that's all that power is good for. I'm guessing you don't do ANY of that regularly so it's kind of pointless. It's like how Samsung included a phone with SIXTEEN gigs of ram. Your performance wasn't going to be that much different or better than a phone with 8gb of ram because you can't actually use all of that ram most of the time. It's an excuse to trick people like you to buy the latest shit. Replace your m1 iPad with a regular iPad air in your performance will be nearly identical, if not identical. Apple putting the m1 chip in a iPad, which is really only good for drawing, watching youtube, and being a Facebook machine, would be like Toyota trying to cram an F-150 engine into a Prius. Probably doable but doesn't make any sense
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope
Yeah you only need 640K of ram anon. Why would you take superior M1 when you can have some chink snapdragon for more money.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Why would you take superior M1 when you can have some chink snapdragon for more money.
They're around the same price, halfw...
>Checks price
I stand corrected, you actually get MORE bang for your buck out of the S8+. iPhones and Macs are decent I guess but the iPads are rip offs.
better cpu improves literally everything.
browsing internet feels better, using youtube app is faster etc
right now 8 vs 16 gb ram doesn’t matter for a typical consumer but a cpu sure does
2 years ago
Anonymous
m1 mac is slow. everything is slow we were supposed to have 7nm cpu in 2016 and 5 nm in 2018.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm only comparing my iPad to the Android tablets I have. The retina display is better than all of them, the performance is better (despite technically being more constrained), and I can go at least three days for the same bullshit usage. A whole week if I limit my time. That's on the original, nine-year-old battery, too. >Would you mind elaborating? How is Safari internet browsing security better? I'm not very knowledgeable on web development or web security or anything like that.
Most websites are encrypted with TLS. I've had difficulties loading sites because of issues with the old TLS stack in Android. The only issue I've had with Safari is root certificates, which I manually updated.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I've had difficulties loading sites because of issues with the old TLS stack in Android.
Literally every website I ever use on my Android devices, even the shitty University websites my University forces me to use for classes, run fine. I even do comparisons on a regular basis just to make sure my stuff isn't having hardware or software issues and every single time I've confirmed it's the website being shitty. Sorry if I sound like a shill but, werks on my machine. Web browser were you using on the Android devices?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The typical Chromium-based browsers, and Firefox. Firefox won't even work for more than a minute or two without crashing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
bruh, what kind of fricking garbage did you use.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also
>Battery life
It's 10 hours of consistent bullshit usage (reading manga, watching youtube, watching pirated videos, etc) good to you? My device regularly estimates 10 to 12 hours but I can easily drag it on to 2 days or even more easily if I use it only for light browsing or reading downloaded books
2 years ago
Anonymous
>tfw have a 2016 iPad and charge it maybe once a week despite 2 or 3 hours a day of usage
I used to think the battery estimate was broken or some shit but it just keeps going.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What do you usually use it for? I guess I should blame Samsung's good screens for murdering my battery life because that seems to be its biggest weakness. The screens on Samsung devices are always the biggest power hogs. I might consider turning off 120 hertz after seeing this since it's kind of a meme anyway
2 years ago
Anonymous
Pretty much just web browsing and streaming. I've tried out 120hz displays before but it seems like just a gimmick meme since things are fine as they are honestly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The difference between 60 hertz and 120 hertz is VERY noticeable to me because I'm so used to switching in between them (my phone for example is set to switch back to 60 hertz if it drops below 30% battery) but honestly I can live without it. I'm seriously considering because ditching 120 hertz for good on my tablet at least. The only thing keeping me from doing so now is that reading manga vertically at 120 hz looks so god damn buttery smooth.
>>you could just install a different, unofficial system >no verified boot >no firmware updates >no rollback protection >shit SELinux policies >userdebug botnet enabled by default
I would rather use an IPhone 5 than your insecure pajeetware
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/android.html
on iphones if you are one version behind, half the programs you use will stop working, and after a year you will only have telegram and geometry dash working left (even angry birds requires latest version of ios) >source: trust me bro
while he might be exaggerating some to make his point, i do personally own a couple pieces of older apple hardware that are perfect operationally, but are functionally a collection of door stops because they're are no longer supported by the apple overlords. It's one thing not getting security updates anymore for older hardware most people can accept that and live with it but when software you purchased for a device is just disappeared from the app store and theres no way around that they really are twisting peoples arm up their backs to upgrade hardware that isn't necessary.
I still use an iphone though.
Ironically, the author you linked praised Graphene OS as a secure Android ROM that implements Androids existing security features while extending some others. Calling every last Android ROM inherently insecure means you didn't read the entire article.
>>no verified boot >>no firmware updates >>no rollback protection >>shit SELinux policies
and that's a good thing >>I<< want to be able to do whatever the frick i want with my phone. I do NOT need the botnet to """protect""" my device. Make it optional you giga Black folk if you really want to. >b-but muh huh if your phone gets stolen
Literally don't care. I'll change a few passwords and that's that.
Nice cope, Androjeet. Verified boot is not a "botnet", the feature prevents any tampering with your bootloader
https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot
You should be able to install any os you want on a phone the same way you can do it on a computer. This homosexualry is just them trying to control people to always updoot the newest update makes the phone slower thus forcing people to buy new. I have seen it on my parents their phones become shittier with every update. I have been on the same AOSP version for years and it runs just as well as it did day one. Also tampering with my bootloader? Maybe don't let Black folk touch your phone. If it gets fully stolen who gives a shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You should be able to install any os you want on a phone the same way you can do it on a computer.
Or just buy a new phone >This homosexualry is just them trying to control people to always updoot the newest update makes the phone slower thus forcing people to buy new.
The same Apple that optimized a bunch of older phones with IOS 12
https://www.fastcompany.com/40580851/ios-12-is-designed-to-improve-performance-on-older-phones >I have seen it on my parents their phones become shittier with every update. I have been on the same AOSP version for years and it runs just as well as it did day one.
Source: trust me bro >Also tampering with my bootloader? Maybe don't let Black folk touch your phone. If it gets fully stolen who gives a shit.
You don't need physical access to tamper the bootloader, a simple app can do that
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The same Apple that optimized a bunch of older phones with IOS 12
more like undo the throttling they introduced in previous versions as they were forced to do so through their losses in court
It’s not planned obsolescence. Those devices are just old as shit and need to die anyway. Hell the batteries in those devices are probably already shot.
"boo hoo they wont release ios 16 on my extremely outdated phone"
trust me, i love old tech but do you honestly expect that shit to run on those devices without draining the battery life in like 4 hours? youre lucky they still boot up XDDD
The 6S really has gotten to the point that it's barely keeping up. It says more about the quality of software and websites, but it's not like clinging to an old phone is going to change the minds of shit """coders""".
That's like 7 years of support which is pretty nice. My old Samsung stopped getting updates after 3 years which sucked.
That being said, I had an iphone once and it was the worst fricking phone I ever had.
Not my fault if the Google Jeet store is filled with malware
https://www.androidpolice.com/google-play-store-boots-data-harvesting-software-intelligence/
"boo hoo they wont release ios 16 on my extremely outdated phone"
trust me, i love old tech but do you honestly expect that shit to run on those devices without draining the battery life in like 4 hours? youre lucky they still boot up XDDD
Normally I'd say I agree but I bought my 6a at fricking launch and am thrilled to have had it last for almost seven years. If you daily drive a 6s 64GB like I do it's due. Incredible run but while America has bought 1 or 2 phones since '15 I'm thinking of getting a 14 Pro 512GB for the next 5-7yrs.
You can update to latest versions without being a moron about security, while you can't use old versions and not be a moron at security because those CVE's are just there
Thats what I love of Android. Just flash a custom OS. Most old phones can become usable again.
I also appreciate that the EU will apparantly force replacable batteries. All the eco-green leftist shit and no one cares about such obvious problems. I had to buy a new phone myself because the battery of my old one died.
> Will the SE 2022 come down in price now since the next gen was announced?
This is the developer conference. They’ve only announced the OS. Phones are in autumn.
Still running iOS 12 just fine on a plain 'ol 6. "Updating" is a meme. The only issue I've ever had was not being able to open my banking app which isn't that big a deal.
I don't get why people ape out at Apple over these. Have they never used anything from Samsung or LG before? I considered myself really fricking lucky to get more than 2 years of updates from LG. That and phone companies sometimes controlling the update rollouts, I don't know why the frick that's even a thing.
But what about the irony? Android is notoriously worse for updates and it remains the biggest complaint about Android to this very day, yet Apple gets shit on for letting go of a device after almost a decade of updates.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Android devices don't deliberately stop you from installing apps after official support has dropped for your device.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Freetards will defend it just because it runs Linux.
I somewhat agree with him. Obviously you're not going to get major aesthetic upgrades like Samshit's one UI 4 if you're on an S9 but I'm pretty sure that one still gets security patches come up which is significantly more important than a few extra shiny bells and whistles that don't actually improve your device overall
>if you're on an S9 but I'm pretty sure that one still gets security patches come up which is significantly more important than a few extra shiny bells and whistles that don't actually improve your device overall
The S9 has been discontinued, the March 2022 security update was the last one
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-ends-software-support-galaxy-s9-galaxy-s9-plus/
Good, now can they please stop auto-downloading updates I don't want to my iPhone? It's annoying and just takes up space.
How many times do I have to delete them before they get the message.
>muh 6+ year phone won't get updated anymore
Cheers to you for having the same phone for more than 4 years nontheless getting OTA updates for that long.
What makes me angry about this is that capable hardware finds its way into the drawer or the trash bin because of "muh profits".
If I could run an alternative on said hardware it would be much better, at least that way I could do something useful with it.
Honestly at this point the EU should force hardware manufacturers to Open Source their specs once their hardware becomes Unsupported/EOL.
Try running your own OS on an iPad. Of course you could technically get Xcode and write some shitty software for it yourself, but that still requires MacOS and stuff. These business practices should not be legal.
One of the big issues is the networks shutting down. I had a comfy 90s car that had a fully functional carphone but there are no networks for it anymore, so it's useless. Soon even 3G phones will be useless.
Yeah but if you wanted to you could modify the carphone to run on modern standards - that is possible since the most hardware from the 90s isn't a vacuum sealed, expoy-resin cast, glued together piece of shit.
>vacuum sealed, expoy-resin cast, glued together piece of shit
I like the idea of open software and open hardware, but I hate those oldgays that don't like socs, sip, etc
One of the big issues is the networks shutting down. I had a comfy 90s car that had a fully functional carphone but there are no networks for it anymore, so it's useless. Soon even 3G phones will be useless.
It's doable but it was beyond my abilities at the time. The car I had was an BMW E39 and you could retrofit bluetooth, so it's possible that a phone call could work with the carphone. I don't have that car anymore so I can't try but it was fun as shit putting numbers into it and trying to make a call.
yea, you can make your own diy GSM base station (aka "2G")
http://web.archive.org/web/20160402021905/https://evilsocket.net/2016/03/31/how-to-build-your-own-rogue-gsm-bts-for-fun-and-profit/
>have an iPhone in 8 snazzy red >bought used because frick aids homosexuals i just like red >perfect size and design >in maybe 1 or 2 years apple will drop support >most major software supports iOS for 5 or 6 versions back, barring a major hardware change >which means that it has 7 years of serviceable life left >battery replacements are $50 at the time, will be $75 years from now, the horror >only really needed once every 3-5 years >i will spend $50 on my phone and by the time i have to get rid of it, it will be 12 years old and too slow to run all the NSA tracking software and 4G will probably be shutting down to make way for 4.1G (5G a flop)
Yeah I'm sure it'll magically fry itself after lasting five fricking years being carried around on a dusty factory floor, banged against concrete and metal, crushed, and sat on. Despite being horribly abused (and it was bought used with dents, a slight bend, and a chink replacement screen) it still works flawlessly.
my 9 year old phone is running android 11, and most software afaik only needs 6+
it'll be far too slow to be useful well before software stops working on it
but yea, there's not really much to complain about all things considered either way
>7 years of mainstream support for a piece of hardware, plus the couple more years they're going to support it with security updates >game consoles can expect 6 or 7 years of mainstream support before you need to update if you want newer games and features >Windows versions outside of outliers like XP get about 5 years of mainstream support and 10 or 11 years of support for security updates
What's the problem here? This is in line with the commercial support you've been able to expect for non portable devices in recent years.
We should take the current hardware and freeze development on it, so we write everything from scratch and then we optimize for the hardware and freeze the software (kernel + OS), we do everything with strong copyleft. Now computers are made to last for generations.
Explains their policy for this. Been like this for a while. Apple just stop supporting products after it's been 5-7 years since it was released. They just don't make the parts anymore. Third parties still might though.
>be Apple >"supports" old devices by releasing system updates >they barely come with new features since your shit is old, just some visual changes while slowing down your device by a noticeable margin >do this for a few years until older devices are barely usable >drop support >you can't download newer apps anymore since everything requires a new iOS version >your device is slow as frick on top of it >your only alternative is to upgrade
It's genius if you think about it. Meanwhile when some brand like Samsung drops an old phone, they maintain day 1 performance and can still install new apps since Google will let developers use ancient minimum SDK versions, so they can't force you to upgrade. I bet a S4 can download the latest Facebook app, while a 5s is basically a funny brick.
That's target, not minimum. The minimum was limited to SDK 19 recently, which is fricking 4.4 from 2013.
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2021/07/google-play-services-discontinuing-jelly-bean.html?m=1
Fricking shit fricks, i have an SE 1st generation since 2018, and now they wont update it anymore?? theyre trying to force me into buying a new device just for a shitty update? Just support it for 2 more years and maybe i'll think about getting a iphone 8 or something appletards
The new OS uses more resources, particularly for Quick Note and the Lock Screen. They tried extended backwards compatibility with iOS 7 and it was a disaster on anything that wasn’t latest-gen. Nowadays it’s way better and if you have something that’s four years old it just won’t get the update, but it’ll run perfectly fine otherwise. Pushing a new OS on old hardware is planned obsolescence because you can’t roll that shit back. If you want to preserve your hardware, you have to preserve the software too after a point.
So … you sport a chink phone and even admit that the newer versions of android are shit and yet you try to flex on apple because they stop rolling out upgrades to phones that were sold before trump announced his candidacy?
Let me guess, you also want to run Windows 10 on a Pentium III? Oh wait, this is the same board that promotes the Thinkpad x220 as cutting-edge hardware :/
>Longer support than any Android phones >Muh planned obsolescence
I still love my SE first gen but I gotta Admit it's get old 6 years is not bad for a phone.
It's probably the longest running phone I've ever had And I own mobiles since 1998.
Android devices don't need system updates to new install new apps. Once Apple drops a device it simply rots to death. Even if you want to install an old version of apps that are on the store you need some workarounds like installing them first on a newer iOS device so they are added to you account and show up to download, if the developer allows older versions, that is.
>a few years
Yeah for like a year or so. I've been there, this phone is fricking useless nowadays, literally worse than a Moto G I still have around.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Which bring life period to 7-8 years which is like 2 times better than any android phones.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A Galaxy from the same era can still install new apps and doesn't perform literally worse than a Moto G. Apple's support is like being hit by a truck and spending the rest of your life stuck on a hospital bed without even being able to lift your fingers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah that's why you see so many galaxy S7 theses days.
2 years ago
Anonymous
People that buy expensive Android phones have money to burn, people that buy iPhones and keep them for ages don't. It's not that hard to understand.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you don't, you can't
Maybe we don't care about a fricking phone that much. Do you also think the same thing about cars and tiling window managers? >It's obviously worth the hassle so if you don't you can't
No Black person I don't care. I don't believe in wasting my time and tossing more junk just to have unnoticeable "improvements" and a bigger phone or heavier, worse handling car with more shit in the way if you want to do literally anything to the engine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you lost moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is mostly a *nix and programming board. If you find yourself always needing the newest irrelevant improvement to a fricking phone that's locked down and would be an impractical joke even if it weren't, try /toy/.
The only reason you ever buy a new phone is if your old one is destroyed or totally unsupported and unusable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't see how that is relevant to my statement but I agree with the last part, unfortunately if you are an Apple user, destroyed, totally unsupported and unusable are synonyms.
2 years ago
Anonymous
"Unsupported" iPhones still get security updates and can load most apps just fine for a decade, while performing adequately. You can expect around 10 to 12 years of real world usefulness out of an iPhone.
Now show me another android user using an outdated custom pajeetOS ROM with more security holes than your mother's panties.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him but I already answered this above. A stock Galaxy S5 and a Moto G, both of which can install apps that dropped my 5s stuck on iOS 12. Apple is has not been accepting apps targeting iOS versions lower than 13 since 2020. >while performing adequately
Now that's funny. I rerecorded this 2 years ago when they dropped iOS 12 for good. Literally worse than a phone it used to outperform by over 300% on geekbench.
2 years ago
Anonymous
there's this one too
that's apple "support" for you
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think it's time to go back to esl
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I think it's time to go back to esl
the pot calling the kettle black lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you see 5s/6 around too? No you don't because Apple dropped them and they are fancy bricks now. And that's not even an argument, you know iPhones have a way higher market share than Samsung flagships.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>iPhone >Broken screen
More proof only poorgays use iPhones.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's just the protector and I stopped using it years ago since it's fricking useless.
That's really the crux of the problem. I'd gladly jailbreak an old android phone I only use for emulation or as a fun side project, but there's just too much sensitive data and programs I run on my phone that would absolutely frick me up if it got compromised, so I'm only staying with officially supported software.
Anyone know if asus updates their phones? Was interested in emulating on the rog 5 phone and i like the frickhuge screen(on a note10+ now, and everything's fine with it, screensize is great for phone shitposting/lurking)
I hate update and only upgrade when my hardware breaks or I want something new so who cares? I don't plan on any device I own getting updated after I buy it. Any useful changes are merely bonuses
>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST DROP SUPPORT FOR OLD HARDWARE YOU HAVE TO KEEP PEDDLING TO ME WTF
no one cares, grow the frick up. Backwards compatibility is the worst thing ever in software. Frick you and frick your dad in jail.
imagine being at computers a
itoddlers btfo
/thread
How much does apple pay you to post here? I mean, there's no way you would shill the apple brand for free, right..? Right?
grow up. hardware degrades. old hardware will run new software poorly. backwards compatibility is a major burden.
>muh barista logic
what is the last stock version of android your phone can run?
If you have a Macbook from 2012 guess what the newest version of MacOS is that you can install on it.
Catalina.
2 versions ago.
It's all the same shit. The only reason why they would need to do things in a way that obsoletes 5 year old phones is if they're bloating it with even more surveillance bullshit as if it wasn't bad enough that were already selling your data.
you can actually run the latest mac OS. apple's decision is entirely arbitrary and forced by corporate decisions rather than hardware problems
https://osxdaily.com/2021/11/30/installing-macos-monterey-on-unsupported-macs/
they're mad as frick that their older hardware was actually reliable and people are actually still using it with new problems. if old hardware works, they're missing out on hundreds, most likely tens of thousands of sales. once a computer passes the 10 year mark it's safe to assume that it will work for several more decades without abuse or severe neglect. their newer hardware is much, much less reliable. my mid 2012 macbook pro? 0 problems. the 2020 my wife bought for me? it had so many faults it was returned so now i have an ancient macbook and a slightly less ancient dell.
>they're mad as frick
Apple has always had a policy of only supporting hardware for seven years after discontinuation. All they've done is bring their software support in line with the hardware. I've run unsupported versions of macOS on old hardware, and the experience ranges from completely fine to dumpster fire. They don't want to support dozens of different hardware profiles for hardware they're no longer selling, and I don't blame them.
TFW Linux has no problem supporting decades of hardware from multiple manufacturers.
TFW even Microsoft can pull this off.
>7 years of support
>Longest support lifespan of any phone ever
>iToddlers BTFO
OK. I switched to iOS after Samsung fricked me on updates after 2 years, discontinuing security updates after 3 years, long after my carrier decided to delay updates like six months regularly. I felt so free because I could opt out by destroying any semblance of security I had by downloading a custom ROM.
Linux has problems with support period, unless you're using it as a server.
If you can make it on 64gb for 7 years, 256gb is more than enough unless you just want to record a bunch of prores footage for some reason.
>TFW even Microsoft can pull this off.
Bullshit. There are tons of old drivers that work poorly or not at all. One of the main reasons Windows has such a bad reputation for being unstable.
>TFW even Microsoft can pull this off.
Do you mean windows which will automatically download drivers that bluescreen your computer at boot and cause screentearing on a 4 year old gpu?
love this place
AND WhAT THE FRICK IS THIs CAPTCHA SHIT
>hardware degrades
I'm using a 13 year old laptop and have never, ever had a problem. X86 is still used by everyone doing real work. AFAIK only apple really obsoletes old hardware. Just ask anyone with a PPC mac. Every few decades they need to make a change that forces anyone still clinging on to upgrade. In this case, the change is totally artificial.
>BUT OLD STUFF WILL BREAK SOMEHOW
Why? It won't run animations as smoothly? Grow up. It's a TOOL. Not a stress ball or a mood ring.
your old product does not suddenly stop working. it just wont be upgraded for free
>the company will simply add your hardware ID to a blacklist even though it still works because they're salty about you not consooming product
Like I said when apple forces obsolescence for my phone I'm just using a shitdroid. I'd rather have a phone the kiddos don't think is cool that works until it breaks than put up with tim cook's bullshit.
Of course I have the luxury of using whatever the frick I want. I'm alone on a board full of ugly shut in virgins who have no wealth or personality or chins, so all they have to attract women is their up to date phones.
meds
now
did that post hit a little too close to home?
Then let users flash an alternative OS
>~~*alternative OS*~~
Or just buy a new phone
Ironic
I think it should be law that manufacturers must release tools to allow users to change the software when a product is no longer supported. It's bullshit that companies are able to get away with buying smaller companies and then turn around and make products into doorstops just because someone doesn't want to migrate a server.
No? Your iPhone belongs to Apple. Read your contract.
Like to see them try to fight the First Sale doctrine. EULA's are already unenforceable.
Google checkm8
>hardware degrades.
No, it's literally the same hardware. It does not get slower over time, new hardware gets faster for the same power usage and software gets heavier by either adding features or being written in more-higher level languages.
Doesn't that mean it's a good thing old phones won't be getting the new bloated OS?
Cope bootlicker
>hardware degrades
not really
pretty much only the battery wears out, and that's replaceabl-
phones have been fast enough for a long time now, people call android slow and bloated, but my nearly 8 year old phone gets weekly lineageos updates and runs as fast as it ever did
>backwards compatibility is a major burden.
In Windows, absolutely.
>AMD-K5 90MHz
>128M
i wouldn't even want to run XP on that
still cool though, in general i prefer if my software didn't arbitrarily stopped working and i could decide for myself when i think my hardware runs new software too slowly for my liking
>GROW UP AND CONSOOM!
No thanks. Always demanding a new toy is for children.
>New toy came out mom why aren't you buying it ARE YOU MENTALLY ILL
Lmao
Why would you replace something that still works?
>don't replace a 7 years old device goy
Go back, androjeet. Enjoy your street shitting OS
>7 years old
That's not even old. Call it old when it doesn't support 4G. An old laptop for instance only supports wifi up to 802.11g and doesn't have USB 3.0 and its only display port is fricking VGA or DVI. What major advances are you missing out on? They made it bigger and less convenient? The camera is slightly nicer? What important functions are missing?
you're mixing up old and obsolete
a 4G-capable phone isn't obsolete, but it can be old in the sense that they're older than how long most people keep a phone for
my my S4 is a 4G-capable phone, and it's 9 years old, very few people keep a phone that long, actually i stopped using it regularly at the end of last year because a friend gave me another phone which is a few years newer than this with otherwise no downsides
Old does not matter. Obsolete does.
Smartphones have been mature for well over a decade.
>Smartphones have been mature for well over a decade
In what way? There was a lot of evolution up until about five years ago.
Comparing mature desktop computing to only recently maturing smartphones is fricking stupid.
>see phrase "grow up" across multiple apple-related threads in the last 30 minutes
huh
Its a paid shill with little imagination.
>hardware degrades
What? My iPhone 7 still works perfectly well after changing the battery. Post your disgusting israelite nose.
thread should've ended here but IQfy is too stupid
>baseddevs deprecate hardware by bad design
>grow up. hardware degrades. old hardware will run new software poorly. backwards compatibility is a major burden.
This is why coof was a blessing that didn't succeed
>6+ years of support
very nice, no let's see Samsung's support.
>no OS updates after 2 years
kek
Yeah most mfgs are worse. Motorola is notoriously shit. 1 os update and 2 yrs of security patches is their typical offering
I work at Moto and can confirm this
ridiculous thread for a technology board. Apple supports hardware for a great amount of time. 6 and 7 years? That's about all you need and more than enough. They'll still repair it for you, and it's not like it's just going to stop working because it doesn't get the newest os.
>ridiculous thread for a technology board
I see that you are new here
>let's see Samsung's support
Samsung are the apple of android with all the shitty practices, except their support is 3 years long so I spit on them just as much as you do
Google support is ∞ through Treble
>no rollback protection
>no verified boot
that's a feature
if I wanna rollback, I rollback
>shit SELinux policies
>userdebug botnet enabled by default
not on proper roms
>the ANTI feature prevents you to use your bootloader
lol
Android != Samsung
none of the phones I used for the last 12 years had forced automatic updates
And to all the other gays, never heard of rooting. You can basically flash LinageOS (lightweight android) on the most phones. Even i still use a Samsung Galaxy S5 with linageOS (Android 11). and this b***h runns clean. And this shit is easy to do. Jailbraking an Iphone is shit, i had to do this shit for some apple gays in the past.
Jailbreak is pure and unfiltered copium, a jailbroken iOS is still cucked as frick and can barely do what Android does out the box, not to mention when rooted.
>S5
FYI, any new phone besides a chink phone, sony, or pixel has an almost impossibly locked bootloader.
I appreciate the voice I read this in. Ty.
Who cares? Do you not buy the newest product available?
not a problem if you dont update
just dont fricking update it.
my LG G6 is still running android 7
Phones have automatic updates that you can't turn off. That's how Windows was able to justify doing it.
Literally no phone has this and you can permanently turn off windows updates have a nice day
All Android phones past Ice Cream Sandwich (a long ass time ago) have it. Cope.
I have a pixel 4a 5g and its still on the December 5th 2020 update have a nice day lying israelite
Play store apps will cut support for Android 7 by the end of the year.
Try to hold onto it for 10 years. I don't really give a shit about mobile apps and don't game on my phone so my plan is that as long as voice calling, sms, and internet browsing works I'm not gonna change anything. Phones that you can get to interface with a computer for calling through the PC is what I use. I have old people in my family who won't ever be able to use a smart phone, so I use the cell phone as a modem and let the computer act as the dialer.
Nooooo not my heckin updooterino
I am a married man and my wife and I have iPhones. I have never given a single frick if you homosexuals make fun of me. I know you are all kissless virgin poorgays.
>claims to have healthy sex life
>posting satania on IQfy
Good one anon. Know any other jokes?
>I am a married man and my wife and I have iPhones. I have never given a single frick if you homosexuals make fun of me. I know you are all kissless virgin poorgays
>320.png
EUNICE TREMBLE PLEASE GET KILLED
nakadashi satanichia-channel
>kissless virgin poorgays
Anon you were moronic enough to get married. If you're under 35 and married you've cucked yourself. You're supposed to spend 18-35 fricking as many womenas you can. 35+ is for getting married and fricking escorts on the side.
your brain on modernity
>modernity
>when this is exactly what people have done for thousands of years
you fell for the christcuck propaganda.
>christcuck
You have to go back.
It's the same SoC as the 6S
It's obvious you only use your phones to consoom because I still use a third-gen iPad daily. I even updated VLC today.
>Android != Samsung
It's the closest comparison. You would expect Scamsung to come close to matching Apple, and yet they're still doing the same bullshit they were doing back when I had a Galaxy.
>ANTI feature
Go back to fricking your African mammal.
>Watches anime
>Is married
Something doesn't add up, your wife is cuckolding you with a black man
...and then you woke up
>Married man
>Posts weeb shit
Lol. lmao even.
sounds to me like a projection
>Actually having sex
Make fun of this homosexual.
>noooo you can't just stop supporting really old products
>once you make something you have to pay to maintain it until the sun explodes
>even if the only user is a basement dwelling schizo on IQfy
Boats
i've used an iphone 6 since it was released and it's given me no problems until recently, now that apps are beginning to discontinue support
i will probably get a new iphone this week and look forward to another 8 years of support 🙂
kek, even microsoft is not this evil.
Yeah, Windows Phone was a bliss to upgrade, like, it had only about 3 versions to begin with and most devices stuck with the one it was shipped with, but yeah, apple dropping a phone from 2016 is „evil“.
>support phone for 6 years
>planned obsolescence
Compared to android flagships with Qualcon SoCs that kill update support after 2 years, not bad. Besides, people would just complain that their phones are throttled to hell in order to even run it.
>iphone 6S released in 2015
>will still receive updates until Sept of this year
Meanwhile
>Google Pixel 2 released in 2017
>stopped even getting security updates in 2020
a...android sisters?? what is this
I'm still happily using my iphone 6s
iPhone 6s chad here too. Bought new Sept 2015 and it still works alright.
>8 years of support
>planned obsolescence
Lack of support for old phone models is the one thing you cannot accuse Apple of.
Except that they block the user from modifying the operating system to extend the life time of their devices.
>muh i want to extend the lifetime of my 8 years old device
If you're a poorgay, use an Android phone. Apple is not for (You), troony
> you don't consoom the new shiny shit they show at le advertising keynote I brainlessly watch and believe, therefore you are poor and transgender!
>letting some street shitter or chink bugman install their spyware on your phone willingly
couldn't be me
>Lack of support for old phone models is the one thing you cannot accuse Apple of.
This only became true for the 6S and up. Apple wouldn't even update the original iPhone to iOS 4 even though they did for the 3G which was basically the same except for the modem.
>while on iphones if you are one version behind, half the programs you use will stop working
Not at all true. I'm using an iPad Mini 2 that stopped with iOS 12 and every app I could ever need will still run on it, only Netflix has moved up to iOS 13 (which is moronic since things like Amazon Prime and Apple TV support all the way back to 9).
>phones manufactured in 2010 still work and support everything you would need
Poorly. Very poorly. Even when I had an old Nexus, as apps got updated to support newer versions they became too bloat to run on old phones. My Nexus 4 would shit its pants if it tired to run Netflix.
That and 3G will be completely dead soon, so older phones will be useless bricks soon. Fricking shame since I still like my Nexus 4.
>OS 12
Consider yourself lucky. I'm stuck at 9 on my iPad. Still mogs my Android tablets that are newer.
>Still mogs my Android tablets that are newer.
In what areas?
Screen, performance, and battery life. And even though Safari has aged like milk, it still handles TLS better.
>Screen
A bit hard to believe. Don't order iPads still use LCDs both newer Androids have AMOLED or oled? They also has 120 hertz if you care about that. Screen to body ratio is also better depending on what device you get, if you care about that.
>Performance
Eeehhh debatable. My current tab s8 has eight gigs of RAM and has given me no problems despite the shit ton of unnecessary apps I have installed and background services like Syncthing and a Python terminal app running. It definitely shits on my S20FE's performance
>handles TLS better.
Would you mind elaborating? How is Safari internet browsing security better? I'm not very knowledgeable on web development or web security or anything like that.
>A bit hard to believe. Don't order iPads still use LCDs both newer Androids have AMOLED or oled? They also has 120 hertz if you care about that. Screen to body ratio is also better depending on what device you get, if you care about that.
Newer IPads have OLED screens and supports high refresh rate
>Eeehhh debatable. My current tab s8 has eight gigs of RAM and has given me no problems despite the shit ton of unnecessary apps I have installed and background services like Syncthing and a Python terminal app running. It definitely shits on my S20FE's performance
The M1 chip has better performance than your Samsung shit
>The M1 chip has better performance than your Samsung shit
I thought I was talking to someone intelligent but of course itoddlers have to be elitist.... Shouldn't you be in bed? It's past your bedtime.
Also you're in one iPads can even take full advantage of all that power anyway. Sure it'll be good rendering some 3D shit, videos, or allow some 2D artist to have more layers come up but that's all that power is good for. I'm guessing you don't do ANY of that regularly so it's kind of pointless. It's like how Samsung included a phone with SIXTEEN gigs of ram. Your performance wasn't going to be that much different or better than a phone with 8gb of ram because you can't actually use all of that ram most of the time. It's an excuse to trick people like you to buy the latest shit. Replace your m1 iPad with a regular iPad air in your performance will be nearly identical, if not identical. Apple putting the m1 chip in a iPad, which is really only good for drawing, watching youtube, and being a Facebook machine, would be like Toyota trying to cram an F-150 engine into a Prius. Probably doable but doesn't make any sense
Cope
Yeah you only need 640K of ram anon. Why would you take superior M1 when you can have some chink snapdragon for more money.
>Why would you take superior M1 when you can have some chink snapdragon for more money.
They're around the same price, halfw...
>Checks price
I stand corrected, you actually get MORE bang for your buck out of the S8+. iPhones and Macs are decent I guess but the iPads are rip offs.
https://m.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=11342&idPhone2=10864
better cpu improves literally everything.
browsing internet feels better, using youtube app is faster etc
right now 8 vs 16 gb ram doesn’t matter for a typical consumer but a cpu sure does
m1 mac is slow. everything is slow we were supposed to have 7nm cpu in 2016 and 5 nm in 2018.
I'm only comparing my iPad to the Android tablets I have. The retina display is better than all of them, the performance is better (despite technically being more constrained), and I can go at least three days for the same bullshit usage. A whole week if I limit my time. That's on the original, nine-year-old battery, too.
>Would you mind elaborating? How is Safari internet browsing security better? I'm not very knowledgeable on web development or web security or anything like that.
Most websites are encrypted with TLS. I've had difficulties loading sites because of issues with the old TLS stack in Android. The only issue I've had with Safari is root certificates, which I manually updated.
>I've had difficulties loading sites because of issues with the old TLS stack in Android.
Literally every website I ever use on my Android devices, even the shitty University websites my University forces me to use for classes, run fine. I even do comparisons on a regular basis just to make sure my stuff isn't having hardware or software issues and every single time I've confirmed it's the website being shitty. Sorry if I sound like a shill but, werks on my machine. Web browser were you using on the Android devices?
The typical Chromium-based browsers, and Firefox. Firefox won't even work for more than a minute or two without crashing.
bruh, what kind of fricking garbage did you use.
Also
>Battery life
It's 10 hours of consistent bullshit usage (reading manga, watching youtube, watching pirated videos, etc) good to you? My device regularly estimates 10 to 12 hours but I can easily drag it on to 2 days or even more easily if I use it only for light browsing or reading downloaded books
>tfw have a 2016 iPad and charge it maybe once a week despite 2 or 3 hours a day of usage
I used to think the battery estimate was broken or some shit but it just keeps going.
What do you usually use it for? I guess I should blame Samsung's good screens for murdering my battery life because that seems to be its biggest weakness. The screens on Samsung devices are always the biggest power hogs. I might consider turning off 120 hertz after seeing this since it's kind of a meme anyway
Pretty much just web browsing and streaming. I've tried out 120hz displays before but it seems like just a gimmick meme since things are fine as they are honestly.
The difference between 60 hertz and 120 hertz is VERY noticeable to me because I'm so used to switching in between them (my phone for example is set to switch back to 60 hertz if it drops below 30% battery) but honestly I can live without it. I'm seriously considering because ditching 120 hertz for good on my tablet at least. The only thing keeping me from doing so now is that reading manga vertically at 120 hz looks so god damn buttery smooth.
>>you could just install a different, unofficial system
>no verified boot
>no firmware updates
>no rollback protection
>shit SELinux policies
>userdebug botnet enabled by default
I would rather use an IPhone 5 than your insecure pajeetware
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/android.html
on iphones if you are one version behind, half the programs you use will stop working, and after a year you will only have telegram and geometry dash working left (even angry birds requires latest version of ios)
>source: trust me bro
while he might be exaggerating some to make his point, i do personally own a couple pieces of older apple hardware that are perfect operationally, but are functionally a collection of door stops because they're are no longer supported by the apple overlords. It's one thing not getting security updates anymore for older hardware most people can accept that and live with it but when software you purchased for a device is just disappeared from the app store and theres no way around that they really are twisting peoples arm up their backs to upgrade hardware that isn't necessary.
I still use an iphone though.
Ironically, the author you linked praised Graphene OS as a secure Android ROM that implements Androids existing security features while extending some others. Calling every last Android ROM inherently insecure means you didn't read the entire article.
>only available on israelitegle Pixel phones
>what is ebay
>>no verified boot
>>no firmware updates
>>no rollback protection
>>shit SELinux policies
and that's a good thing
>>I<< want to be able to do whatever the frick i want with my phone. I do NOT need the botnet to """protect""" my device. Make it optional you giga Black folk if you really want to.
>b-but muh huh if your phone gets stolen
Literally don't care. I'll change a few passwords and that's that.
Nice cope, Androjeet. Verified boot is not a "botnet", the feature prevents any tampering with your bootloader
https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot
You should be able to install any os you want on a phone the same way you can do it on a computer. This homosexualry is just them trying to control people to always updoot the newest update makes the phone slower thus forcing people to buy new. I have seen it on my parents their phones become shittier with every update. I have been on the same AOSP version for years and it runs just as well as it did day one. Also tampering with my bootloader? Maybe don't let Black folk touch your phone. If it gets fully stolen who gives a shit.
>You should be able to install any os you want on a phone the same way you can do it on a computer.
Or just buy a new phone
>This homosexualry is just them trying to control people to always updoot the newest update makes the phone slower thus forcing people to buy new.
The same Apple that optimized a bunch of older phones with IOS 12
https://www.fastcompany.com/40580851/ios-12-is-designed-to-improve-performance-on-older-phones
>I have seen it on my parents their phones become shittier with every update. I have been on the same AOSP version for years and it runs just as well as it did day one.
Source: trust me bro
>Also tampering with my bootloader? Maybe don't let Black folk touch your phone. If it gets fully stolen who gives a shit.
You don't need physical access to tamper the bootloader, a simple app can do that
>The same Apple that optimized a bunch of older phones with IOS 12
more like undo the throttling they introduced in previous versions as they were forced to do so through their losses in court
>source: trust me bro
have you never used newer apps on an older android? the experience is terrible, it just chugs and lags.
The Samsung galaxy s3 still runs the latest Android version
i bet all of you iphone users have apple ids and cell phone plans in your real names lololol
schizo
>pays for a tracking device, takes it around with him everywhere and loves it
the only track you to advertise to you i grew numb to advertising ages ago
Any device with any connection is a tracking device dipshit.
>gps
>accelerometers
>front facing camera
>cell radio
>wifi
Exactly.
now compare to a desktop computer running linux (another "device with a connection")
>wifi
>bluetooth
A desktop running Linux with no internet connection isn't the same as using a phone with no connection of any kind.
>persistent malware at the bootloader level and additional attack surface are le good
I wish Intel made phones. They know how to support their products.
top kek
It’s not planned obsolescence. Those devices are just old as shit and need to die anyway. Hell the batteries in those devices are probably already shot.
The 6S really has gotten to the point that it's barely keeping up. It says more about the quality of software and websites, but it's not like clinging to an old phone is going to change the minds of shit """coders""".
That's like 7 years of support which is pretty nice. My old Samsung stopped getting updates after 3 years which sucked.
That being said, I had an iphone once and it was the worst fricking phone I ever had.
Not my fault if the Google Jeet store is filled with malware
https://www.androidpolice.com/google-play-store-boots-data-harvesting-software-intelligence/
this is next level cope
"boo hoo they wont release ios 16 on my extremely outdated phone"
trust me, i love old tech but do you honestly expect that shit to run on those devices without draining the battery life in like 4 hours? youre lucky they still boot up XDDD
>android doesn't need updoots to work
cope
I've had my moto g4 on android 7 for 7 years now. It does everything I need it to do, wtf are you guys using your phones for?
Normally I'd say I agree but I bought my 6a at fricking launch and am thrilled to have had it last for almost seven years. If you daily drive a 6s 64GB like I do it's due. Incredible run but while America has bought 1 or 2 phones since '15 I'm thinking of getting a 14 Pro 512GB for the next 5-7yrs.
wait for the usb-c iphone. skip 14
>apple decides to finally drop support for 8+ year old hardware in 2022
>google can barely manage to shit out support a year after a device launches
at least they let me unlock the phone. Apple just bricks them if you care about security
>locked bootloaders are way more likely
OH NO NO NO NO look at the top of your head!
IOS BTFO
>supports a device for 7 years
>meanwhile Jeetdroid phones don't receive any OS updates after 2 years
>IOS BTFO
WOWZERS!
You can update to latest versions without being a moron about security, while you can't use old versions and not be a moron at security because those CVE's are just there
>"H-Haha! iPhones only get SIX years of updates"
>"Androids only get 2-3 on average"
>"Y-YOU'RE AN OBSESSIVE UPDATER!"
Thats what I love of Android. Just flash a custom OS. Most old phones can become usable again.
I also appreciate that the EU will apparantly force replacable batteries. All the eco-green leftist shit and no one cares about such obvious problems. I had to buy a new phone myself because the battery of my old one died.
>~~*custom OS*~~
Androjeet shit
>had to buy a new phone myself because the battery of my old one died
Sounds like you're just lazy and afraid of screwdrivers and heat guns.
Stagefright
I’m still dailying my SE 2016 and I just ordered an SE 2022. Name me one Android phone from 2016 that is still receiving system updates.
>Name me one Android phone from 2016 that is still receiving system updates.
There's none
Will the SE 2022 come down in price now since the next gen was announced? Im ready to upgrade from my 6 that i got 7 years ago
> Will the SE 2022 come down in price now since the next gen was announced?
This is the developer conference. They’ve only announced the OS. Phones are in autumn.
WEll its only $13 a month through AT&T so even if it comes down to 10 in a few months its not that big of a deal
>2022
you mean 2020?
a new version was released in marxh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_SE_(3rd_generation)
I know, that's why I'm wondering if that was a typo or a literal moron.
Still running iOS 12 just fine on a plain 'ol 6. "Updating" is a meme. The only issue I've ever had was not being able to open my banking app which isn't that big a deal.
>not supporting dinosaur hardware on your high-performance OS is planned obsolescence
Poorgay hands made this thread.
Bait
>6 year phone not getting latest features
Horrors.
My then decade old 4S got security updates right up until i upgraded a year ago. So old models are not completely tossed to the wayside.
I don't get why people ape out at Apple over these. Have they never used anything from Samsung or LG before? I considered myself really fricking lucky to get more than 2 years of updates from LG. That and phone companies sometimes controlling the update rollouts, I don't know why the frick that's even a thing.
>I don't get why people ape out at Apple over these
Because autistic freetards can't stand that someone might prefer another system over theirs.
But what about the irony? Android is notoriously worse for updates and it remains the biggest complaint about Android to this very day, yet Apple gets shit on for letting go of a device after almost a decade of updates.
Android devices don't deliberately stop you from installing apps after official support has dropped for your device.
Freetards will defend it just because it runs Linux.
>a year ago
iOS 9 hasn't receive security updates for several years. 9.3.6 was a one-off to keep the phones from bricking because of GPS.
>silky fishnet tights
my work buys me the latest iphone every 2 years so i dont care
stay poor
My 7 year old phone isn't getting the new update?
Frick. Capitalism.
just buy a new one bro???
isn't this the most competitive among smartphones currently
holy fricking cope
I somewhat agree with him. Obviously you're not going to get major aesthetic upgrades like Samshit's one UI 4 if you're on an S9 but I'm pretty sure that one still gets security patches come up which is significantly more important than a few extra shiny bells and whistles that don't actually improve your device overall
>if you're on an S9 but I'm pretty sure that one still gets security patches come up which is significantly more important than a few extra shiny bells and whistles that don't actually improve your device overall
The S9 has been discontinued, the March 2022 security update was the last one
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-ends-software-support-galaxy-s9-galaxy-s9-plus/
basket
>my 7 year old phone should be useable and updated forever
Good, now can they please stop auto-downloading updates I don't want to my iPhone? It's annoying and just takes up space.
How many times do I have to delete them before they get the message.
werks on my machine
>7 year old hardware
b***h you can't even pull 3 on Android
7 is huge for the shitty smartphone standards
Are there any android phones from 2015 that are still getting software updates?
No
my s4 still gets weekly lineageos builds and it's 9 years old
3rd party roms don't count
according to who?
the thread is about manufacturer support you illiterate
why? because your iphone doesn't have any?
just another reason not to get an iphone
i don't see that anywhere in OP
typical idiot thinking we won't notice him moving the goalposts
>muh 6+ year phone won't get updated anymore
Cheers to you for having the same phone for more than 4 years nontheless getting OTA updates for that long.
lotta korean girls itt dont understand the way of the white man
>ewww its five months old! not sugoiiii!
>cool, it's 50 years old.
What makes me angry about this is that capable hardware finds its way into the drawer or the trash bin because of "muh profits".
If I could run an alternative on said hardware it would be much better, at least that way I could do something useful with it.
Honestly at this point the EU should force hardware manufacturers to Open Source their specs once their hardware becomes Unsupported/EOL.
You could still write your own applications for it and load them yourself. But yes, I agree.
Try running your own OS on an iPad. Of course you could technically get Xcode and write some shitty software for it yourself, but that still requires MacOS and stuff. These business practices should not be legal.
Yeah but if you wanted to you could modify the carphone to run on modern standards - that is possible since the most hardware from the 90s isn't a vacuum sealed, expoy-resin cast, glued together piece of shit.
>vacuum sealed, expoy-resin cast, glued together piece of shit
I like the idea of open software and open hardware, but I hate those oldgays that don't like socs, sip, etc
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/06/developers-get-linux-up-and-running-on-old-ipad-air-2-hardware/
https://projectsandcastle.org/
One of the big issues is the networks shutting down. I had a comfy 90s car that had a fully functional carphone but there are no networks for it anymore, so it's useless. Soon even 3G phones will be useless.
Has anyone been able to mate an old car phone to a newer system? I'd love that. Even if it was just Bluetooth.
It's doable but it was beyond my abilities at the time. The car I had was an BMW E39 and you could retrofit bluetooth, so it's possible that a phone call could work with the carphone. I don't have that car anymore so I can't try but it was fun as shit putting numbers into it and trying to make a call.
yea, you can make your own diy GSM base station (aka "2G")
http://web.archive.org/web/20160402021905/https://evilsocket.net/2016/03/31/how-to-build-your-own-rogue-gsm-bts-for-fun-and-profit/
Soon https://nitter.net/konradybcio/status/1531963130934329344#m
still dominates poordroid support
>while on iphones if you are one version behind, half the programs you use will stop working
Literally making shit up
t. Too lazy to updoot often, iPhones always 1-2 OS versions behind unless I've recently got a new one (aka once every 4-6 years)
Don't care, I'm still holding on to my iPhone 7.
>have an iPhone in 8 snazzy red
>bought used because frick aids homosexuals i just like red
>perfect size and design
>in maybe 1 or 2 years apple will drop support
>most major software supports iOS for 5 or 6 versions back, barring a major hardware change
>which means that it has 7 years of serviceable life left
>battery replacements are $50 at the time, will be $75 years from now, the horror
>only really needed once every 3-5 years
>i will spend $50 on my phone and by the time i have to get rid of it, it will be 12 years old and too slow to run all the NSA tracking software and 4G will probably be shutting down to make way for 4.1G (5G a flop)
Ok?
Doubtful the battery will be the only thing that goes to shit.
Yeah I'm sure it'll magically fry itself after lasting five fricking years being carried around on a dusty factory floor, banged against concrete and metal, crushed, and sat on. Despite being horribly abused (and it was bought used with dents, a slight bend, and a chink replacement screen) it still works flawlessly.
my 9 year old phone is running android 11, and most software afaik only needs 6+
it'll be far too slow to be useful well before software stops working on it
but yea, there's not really much to complain about all things considered either way
m8 by the time your phone is obsolete some EU laws will force apple to support it again
keep it forever to spite the updooters
And then when it dies, you can buy an iPhone SE that is the same exact phone.
>same exact phone
only the case is
>7 years of mainstream support for a piece of hardware, plus the couple more years they're going to support it with security updates
>game consoles can expect 6 or 7 years of mainstream support before you need to update if you want newer games and features
>Windows versions outside of outliers like XP get about 5 years of mainstream support and 10 or 11 years of support for security updates
What's the problem here? This is in line with the commercial support you've been able to expect for non portable devices in recent years.
We should take the current hardware and freeze development on it, so we write everything from scratch and then we optimize for the hardware and freeze the software (kernel + OS), we do everything with strong copyleft. Now computers are made to last for generations.
Do you have a 6s or 7 OP? Or are you just getting upset on behalf of others. If you are that's some pretty cringe white women shit.
based
baked
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201624
Explains their policy for this. Been like this for a while. Apple just stop supporting products after it's been 5-7 years since it was released. They just don't make the parts anymore. Third parties still might though.
SE is so outdated it’s borderline unusable in 2022 and it was struggling with iOS 15 anyway. idk about the other models.
>be Apple
>"supports" old devices by releasing system updates
>they barely come with new features since your shit is old, just some visual changes while slowing down your device by a noticeable margin
>do this for a few years until older devices are barely usable
>drop support
>you can't download newer apps anymore since everything requires a new iOS version
>your device is slow as frick on top of it
>your only alternative is to upgrade
It's genius if you think about it. Meanwhile when some brand like Samsung drops an old phone, they maintain day 1 performance and can still install new apps since Google will let developers use ancient minimum SDK versions, so they can't force you to upgrade. I bet a S4 can download the latest Facebook app, while a 5s is basically a funny brick.
>Google will let developers use ancient minimum SDK versions
https://developer.android.com/google/play/requirements/target-sdk
That's target, not minimum. The minimum was limited to SDK 19 recently, which is fricking 4.4 from 2013.
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2021/07/google-play-services-discontinuing-jelly-bean.html?m=1
shit-covered hands typed this
aids-covered hands typed this
my hands are clean and pure for i tell the truth
i'm not indulging your psychotic fantasies
tryhard moron
confirmed: butthurt assbaby
mmmm care to explain what an assbaby is?
It's a turd anon. An assbaby is a giant, reeking shit on the sidewalk. Just like you. Are you 11?
are you talking by experience?
I have not been 11 for over 20 years, I would not consider myself qualified.
bazinga
>lockscreen widgets
Do iToddlers really?
Android had this from 4.2 (2013) to 4.4 and is portable to newer versions
Sure, but like the rest of Android OS in the 4.4 days it was a half baked and lousy experience.
Fricking shit fricks, i have an SE 1st generation since 2018, and now they wont update it anymore?? theyre trying to force me into buying a new device just for a shitty update? Just support it for 2 more years and maybe i'll think about getting a iphone 8 or something appletards
The new OS uses more resources, particularly for Quick Note and the Lock Screen. They tried extended backwards compatibility with iOS 7 and it was a disaster on anything that wasn’t latest-gen. Nowadays it’s way better and if you have something that’s four years old it just won’t get the update, but it’ll run perfectly fine otherwise. Pushing a new OS on old hardware is planned obsolescence because you can’t roll that shit back. If you want to preserve your hardware, you have to preserve the software too after a point.
Sorry, no support for the poor. Proof again that only poor people use Apple products.
who gives a shit you don't need that. I am still using android 9
It's been 6 years.
That's 2 years longer than the comparable Android.
Despite that they will be receiving major security updates if needed.
So … you sport a chink phone and even admit that the newer versions of android are shit and yet you try to flex on apple because they stop rolling out upgrades to phones that were sold before trump announced his candidacy?
Let me guess, you also want to run Windows 10 on a Pentium III? Oh wait, this is the same board that promotes the Thinkpad x220 as cutting-edge hardware :/
I have installed windows 11 on a p3 for shits and giggles on my YouTube channel. It literally works.
>Longer support than any Android phones
>Muh planned obsolescence
I still love my SE first gen but I gotta Admit it's get old 6 years is not bad for a phone.
It's probably the longest running phone I've ever had And I own mobiles since 1998.
this
the majority of IQfyays deriding iphones are even more homosexual than the apple "fans" who guzzle cum because it's their favorite brand of it
iPhone 7 is 6 years old. It's fine
Frick applel tbfh but if that shit is planned obsolescene, then what is android with much shorter updates support?
Android devices don't need system updates to new install new apps. Once Apple drops a device it simply rots to death. Even if you want to install an old version of apps that are on the store you need some workarounds like installing them first on a newer iOS device so they are added to you account and show up to download, if the developer allows older versions, that is.
Bullshit, app will be compatible with Ios 15 for a few years after eol.
The only shit you miss is Apple's new features.
>a few years
Yeah for like a year or so. I've been there, this phone is fricking useless nowadays, literally worse than a Moto G I still have around.
Which bring life period to 7-8 years which is like 2 times better than any android phones.
A Galaxy from the same era can still install new apps and doesn't perform literally worse than a Moto G. Apple's support is like being hit by a truck and spending the rest of your life stuck on a hospital bed without even being able to lift your fingers.
Yeah that's why you see so many galaxy S7 theses days.
People that buy expensive Android phones have money to burn, people that buy iPhones and keep them for ages don't. It's not that hard to understand.
>If you don't, you can't
Maybe we don't care about a fricking phone that much. Do you also think the same thing about cars and tiling window managers?
>It's obviously worth the hassle so if you don't you can't
No Black person I don't care. I don't believe in wasting my time and tossing more junk just to have unnoticeable "improvements" and a bigger phone or heavier, worse handling car with more shit in the way if you want to do literally anything to the engine.
are you lost moron
This is mostly a *nix and programming board. If you find yourself always needing the newest irrelevant improvement to a fricking phone that's locked down and would be an impractical joke even if it weren't, try /toy/.
The only reason you ever buy a new phone is if your old one is destroyed or totally unsupported and unusable.
I don't see how that is relevant to my statement but I agree with the last part, unfortunately if you are an Apple user, destroyed, totally unsupported and unusable are synonyms.
"Unsupported" iPhones still get security updates and can load most apps just fine for a decade, while performing adequately. You can expect around 10 to 12 years of real world usefulness out of an iPhone.
Now show me another android user using an outdated custom pajeetOS ROM with more security holes than your mother's panties.
Not him but I already answered this above. A stock Galaxy S5 and a Moto G, both of which can install apps that dropped my 5s stuck on iOS 12. Apple is has not been accepting apps targeting iOS versions lower than 13 since 2020.
>while performing adequately
Now that's funny. I rerecorded this 2 years ago when they dropped iOS 12 for good. Literally worse than a phone it used to outperform by over 300% on geekbench.
there's this one too
that's apple "support" for you
I think it's time to go back to esl
>I think it's time to go back to esl
the pot calling the kettle black lol
Do you see 5s/6 around too? No you don't because Apple dropped them and they are fancy bricks now. And that's not even an argument, you know iPhones have a way higher market share than Samsung flagships.
>iPhone
>Broken screen
More proof only poorgays use iPhones.
It's just the protector and I stopped using it years ago since it's fricking useless.
I care more about security updates than system/os updates and android sucks at providing long security updates.
don't care, get a new phone every 3 to 4 years anyway and flash graphene on it. or just don't get a phone, you don't really need them that badly
who the frick even cares about feature updates
>tfw wife has am iphone 8
Wew made it
To be fair though, apple supports phones for way longer periods than anyone else on the market. Those phones came out 6 years ago.
not true ser run ranjeetrom after unlocking your bootloader i promise no betcoin miner my basterd
That's really the crux of the problem. I'd gladly jailbreak an old android phone I only use for emulation or as a fun side project, but there's just too much sensitive data and programs I run on my phone that would absolutely frick me up if it got compromised, so I'm only staying with officially supported software.
Anyone know if asus updates their phones? Was interested in emulating on the rog 5 phone and i like the frickhuge screen(on a note10+ now, and everything's fine with it, screensize is great for phone shitposting/lurking)
when you allow a company to close their device down such that they're the only ones able to support it, this is what happens.
I'd say 6 years of support is pretty good
Lazy larp. I used iOS 9.3.5 until Dark Mode was a thing.
Is it the time, bros?! my 7 plus still works great..
Every phone does this lol
That doesn't count.
not an argument
android phones are obsolete after 2 years
bass
Kek and here I am with my 5 yo xiaomi installing whatever app I want with apks even though its android 7, plus I emulate too with 64 gb sd card
Enjoy your CVEs Xiaomeme tard
iTODDLERS BTFO
baste
6s was released in late 2015. What other phone has an official seven year support life (streetshitter roms are not official software support)?
>What other phone has an official seven year support life (streetshitter roms are not official software support)?
An Androjeet phone? No
iphone can now play webm, wtf, ios bros we finally won
>iBlack folk finally finish the webm race and place 213757th behind openBSD, ps3, and amiga
>act like they won gold
this
Meanwhile android phones stop getting updates after 2 years from release lmao
Nobody needs 10yold phones you moronic poorgay apple is only for people who care about innovation.
I care about that i can do what i want, not beeing restricted from a moronic company which sells overpriced shit laptops PCs and phones.
go have a nice day consoomer soigoy
>apple is only for people who care about innovation
>apple
>innovation
?????
cutting the 2gb RAM models except for the iphone 8 which is an iphone 7 with a 20% better processor
I hate update and only upgrade when my hardware breaks or I want something new so who cares? I don't plan on any device I own getting updated after I buy it. Any useful changes are merely bonuses
>7
It was released 6 years ago
>6S
7 years ago, in 2015
For context, Samsung S6 was released 2015. The support for that stopped in 2018, just 3 years after with Android 7.0.
>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST DROP SUPPORT FOR OLD HARDWARE YOU HAVE TO KEEP PEDDLING TO ME WTF
no one cares, grow the frick up. Backwards compatibility is the worst thing ever in software. Frick you and frick your dad in jail.
If you've had the same phone for 7 years, chances are the OS is far from the worst thing about it
if you replace your phone more often than 7 years, chances are you're buying shit phones or handling them poorly
I'm going from iPhone 8 to 14 this year. That's 4 or 5 years. It's just so outdated and I can't buy good accessories for it.
OH NONONONONO DELET THIS SIRS
Sad news that tiny 2016 SE is the best iphone ever made solid as a brick/still has headphone jack and easily slides in your pocket.