But my dear Glaucon, in your infinite wisdom you claim that I was filtered, so please illuminate me so I may avoid filterance in the future, what exactly is it that my old mind missed?
If you understood the doctrine of recollection, you would observe that your mind isn’t fit to hold the very structures of reason in view, as is innate in every functional mind. Unfortunately, because you can’t understand this, you can’t understand that you can’t understand. You are a cave dweller now and forevermore.
Plato is against gay/pedo shit, read Laws. The Symposium is a shitpost written in a way where the participants are meant to look grotesque and degenerate.
correct, this is what makes plato great, today he would be an analytic philosopher. unfortunately the anglophobes (and therefore grecophobes, since england is the successor of greece) on this board have co-opted him because he also happened to be interested in mysticism.
>Socrates gets two boys together in Lysis however.
You're misremembering your Plato. Socrates doesn't get two boys together, Lysis and Menexenus are already close friends. Socrates is *supposed* to be show Hippothales how to seduce Lysis, but note that Socrates only seduces Lysis to philosophy and it ends with Hippothales gettin' none.
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Jon Kolner
He resons that the boys image causing the other boy good feelings is enough of a reason to show they must be in love, much like a doctor administering medicine. This is gay enough for me to think he wasnt homophobic.
>we could discuss, I don't know, curing cancer or something?
People who try to do that in earnest will surely perish in unfortunate accidents, like with most ailments.
In all honesty though, the real reason is: the vast majority of people have nothing worthy to add to such a discussion, and would only impede progress by throwing around random noise.
correct, this is what makes plato great, today he would be an analytic philosopher. unfortunately the anglophobes (and therefore grecophobes, since england is the successor of greece) on this board have co-opted him because he also happened to be interested in mysticism.
"Such deeds accomplished by a man of justice and courage and temperance and philosophy would have produced in the multitude the same respect for virtue which, if Dionysius had listened to me, would have made its saving appearance, one may say, among all mankind. But now some daemon or avenging deity has fallen upon us, and through disrespect" has made anons hateful and cynical.
Respect, my friend, is not just a one way street, respect flows out of you, together with all virtue, it is that overflowing that matters most.
https://pastebin.com/P3rVFrue
>philosopher allows anon to think and reason out who is correct or incorrect in the dialogue >anon literally can't think
The great joy of Plato is that he isn't just telling you what he thinks outright, you need to discover it on your own, and by doing so you enlighten yourself and can argue with him from a common ground.
Everyone here should read the intro to the Hackett book. He outright says it is wrong to just dogmatically repeat everything Socrates says or to take him at face value all the time. There's a whole thing on the stupidity of Neoplatonists in this regard.
Yes, that is both me and the face I make when people imply that there is a parallel dimension which consists solely of a "perfect chair." I make that exact smug facial expression.
>If you understood what it implies for an object to have a name
Yes, someone somewhere gave the thing a name.
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Whoa?!?? And other people, just, like RESPOND to the name?? And can even IDENTIFY the object behind the name on their own, something that occurs prior to any association with any name???!?!?!? That's so crazy! I wonder what explanation there could be for that.
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It is because of homologies in the structure of experience based on a synthesis of the manifold based on the pure categories of the understanding. Not any of this intelligible realm nonsense.
Hey, thanks for bumping this shit thread. We def need another thread of people hating Plato because they take him for his word or also people dogmatically repeating stuff he spewed because again, it was his word.
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But my dear Glaucon, in your infinite wisdom you claim that I was filtered, so please illuminate me so I may avoid filterance in the future, what exactly is it that my old mind missed?
>Verification not required.
*silence*
The platonoid has no clothes
Why are you imagining other men naked?
If you understood the doctrine of recollection, you would observe that your mind isn’t fit to hold the very structures of reason in view, as is innate in every functional mind. Unfortunately, because you can’t understand this, you can’t understand that you can’t understand. You are a cave dweller now and forevermore.
filtered
filtered
fricking filtered lol
Um sweaty akshually Plato was a genius. I wish I could be his catamite and participate in truly love as decribed in Symposium. You were filtered lol.
Plato is against gay/pedo shit, read Laws. The Symposium is a shitpost written in a way where the participants are meant to look grotesque and degenerate.
>england is the successor of greece
WE WUZ
Socrates gets two boys together in Lysis however. It really depends on the dialogue. Also in Laws it was Athenian Stranger not Socrates.
>Socrates gets two boys together in Lysis however.
You're misremembering your Plato. Socrates doesn't get two boys together, Lysis and Menexenus are already close friends. Socrates is *supposed* to be show Hippothales how to seduce Lysis, but note that Socrates only seduces Lysis to philosophy and it ends with Hippothales gettin' none.
He resons that the boys image causing the other boy good feelings is enough of a reason to show they must be in love, much like a doctor administering medicine. This is gay enough for me to think he wasnt homophobic.
filtered
>Um sweaty akshually Plato was a genius. I wish I could be his catamite and participate in truly love as decribed in Symposium. You were filtered lol.
>Um sweaty akshually Plato was a genius. I wish I could be his catamite and participate in truly love as decribed in Symposium. You were filtered lol.
people are still discussing plato's works thousands of years later, and will continue to do so for thousands of years. you will be forgotten lol
>people are still discussing plato's works
?????
Who the frick discusses Plato these days aside from academia boomers?
we're talking about him right now
You're talking about talking about him, so you're not really talking about him, but talking about talking.
Not him, but I'm literally going to poop in your mouth.
>>>/b/
Nah, we're gonna do this right here in front of everyone. Jannie has to clean up anything that you dribble.
>so you're not really talking about him, but talking about talking.
so in other words, we are discussing one of the forms
You just won yourself a chicken dinner.
Cannibalism is unethical
If this is an attempt to replicate and/or make fun of Plato's logic then I can see why you think that he's "obsessed with semantics". You are moronic.
no you're not? whole thread is evidence that IQfy is full of nothing but shitposting pseuds
>Who the frick discusses Plato
Everyone outside of the moronic popular sphere you debase your mind by viewing.
But why are they doing that? Why are we discussing a 2000 year old problem when we could discuss, I don't know, curing cancer or something?
Why read anything when you could just discuss cuck porn?
>we could discuss, I don't know, curing cancer or something?
People who try to do that in earnest will surely perish in unfortunate accidents, like with most ailments.
In all honesty though, the real reason is: the vast majority of people have nothing worthy to add to such a discussion, and would only impede progress by throwing around random noise.
sometimes his analogies are wild
>would a good horseman do that?
>would a good blacksmith do that?
>so we can assume <something absolutely unrelated>
Critias says just that in Charmides I believe - Socrates, you are always talking of cobblers and tailors
Absolutely filtered. Frick off from my IQfy, 110 iq midwits.
correct, this is what makes plato great, today he would be an analytic philosopher. unfortunately the anglophobes (and therefore grecophobes, since england is the successor of greece) on this board have co-opted him because he also happened to be interested in mysticism.
>if he were alive today he would be the diametrically opposed opposite to what he was
>Source: Trust me
kys
behead all those who insult Πλάτων(PBUH)
"Such deeds accomplished by a man of justice and courage and temperance and philosophy would have produced in the multitude the same respect for virtue which, if Dionysius had listened to me, would have made its saving appearance, one may say, among all mankind. But now some daemon or avenging deity has fallen upon us, and through disrespect" has made anons hateful and cynical.
Respect, my friend, is not just a one way street, respect flows out of you, together with all virtue, it is that overflowing that matters most.
https://pastebin.com/P3rVFrue
The whole point of socratic dialogues is to make you think, unironically filtered.
Heraclitus was better
>philosopher allows anon to think and reason out who is correct or incorrect in the dialogue
>anon literally can't think
The great joy of Plato is that he isn't just telling you what he thinks outright, you need to discover it on your own, and by doing so you enlighten yourself and can argue with him from a common ground.
Everyone here should read the intro to the Hackett book. He outright says it is wrong to just dogmatically repeat everything Socrates says or to take him at face value all the time. There's a whole thing on the stupidity of Neoplatonists in this regard.
>plotinus is lame and not worth looking into cause hackett says so
Yes, that is both me and the face I make when people imply that there is a parallel dimension which consists solely of a "perfect chair." I make that exact smug facial expression.
If you understood what it implies for an object to have a name, the obvious truth of the theory of forms would be immediately evident to you.
An object being categorized does not imply a physical manifestation in a different realm, ya silly doof.
Obviously because you don't know what that implies.
It implies that a physical manifestation of a pure form of a rather arbitrary definition is highly unlikely.
NGMI
>If you understood what it implies for an object to have a name
Yes, someone somewhere gave the thing a name.
Whoa?!?? And other people, just, like RESPOND to the name?? And can even IDENTIFY the object behind the name on their own, something that occurs prior to any association with any name???!?!?!? That's so crazy! I wonder what explanation there could be for that.
It is because of homologies in the structure of experience based on a synthesis of the manifold based on the pure categories of the understanding. Not any of this intelligible realm nonsense.
Spengler shows that the reddit man will appear in every civilisation and his coming is its doom.
the republic do be frickin lit tho fr fr
Kek. Filtered.
Hey, thanks for bumping this shit thread. We def need another thread of people hating Plato because they take him for his word or also people dogmatically repeating stuff he spewed because again, it was his word.
Another namegay entered into the filter. Feels good man.
You'll never get to Hegel if you start getting filtered by fricking Plato
Why do you mistakenly believe Hegel is something to aspire to?
Because he ends all philosophy. Nothing after him is worth reading.
https://paulwienershott.wordpress.com/2020/04/28/please-waste-no-time-on-hegel/
So you have now been filtered by Hackett's introduction to Plato and a literal blog post about Hegel? You should just go back to being an anon.
You would want that as it is then more easy to dispense with the untruths against me.
You do shit up a lot of threads and stumble over yourself, NTA but I agree with his advice.
The world is just not ready for the genius of Jon Kolner.
>some commie gay says hegel made his brain hurt so no one should read him
Lol, lmao even.
Two moron buzzwords in one sentence should be an automatic algorithmic filter.