Who are the best pro NEET philosophers/authors and their books?
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Robert Walser maybe.
>It is easy enough to conjure up the sort of scene that would spark the outrage of someone like the activist Saitō: a wealthy executive riding in a chauffeured limousine driving by a homeless man foraging garbage from a trash can on the streets somewhere in the metropolis. Were he to witness such a scene, Saitō would be crying out for social justice until he was blue in the face. I, on the other hand, would be thinking about the heavy responsibilities shouldered by that same executive and feel very grateful not to be sitting in his seat. Since I can imagine just how carefree the life of a vagrant is, once he gets used to the idea of people watching him scavenge for his food, I don’t think of it as the ultimate tragedy that it is usually made out to be. Most important, a society that exhibits such an obvious gap between rich and poor is also one that tolerates diversity (insofar as it doesn’t round up the scavengers and cart them off to an institution). Just what a person considers to be the ultimate misfortune depends on that particular person’s values.
Seems interesting. Wouldn't have ever heard about this book if not for you so thanks for the rec fren.
hahah wow what a load of old bullshit
>i would rather be a homeless vagrant eating garbage than a high powered executive
sure you would
>I made a decision: Not to work. To live as a parasite. I never worked in my life. I never had a job, except for a year, in Brasov, as a high school teacher. And it was a complete failure. I realized I could not practice a profession. I have to wander around in life. To avoid any responsibility. I have to do everything in order to save my freedom. Freedom to not work in the proper sense of the world. All my life, I calculated how I can be free in a complete sense. Life is only worth living if you are free. I don’t want to be a slave in any way. This is the only absolute certainty that I’ve had in life. I don’t want to be subordinate. I can succumb to any humiliation. On the condition that I am free.
-Emil Cioran
Pretty based. But these guys were bums. What do you call a NEET who is rich? An aristocrat? I'm a part of this leisure class, feels good man.
Cioran was rich?
Was he?
Oh I thought you were calling them bums because they were rich.
Define "rich".
>What do you call a NEET who is rich?
In Middle Ages, an aristocrat.
Today, a trust fund kid.
Where do you live? Exact address
Ernst Jünger has got to be the most nuanced and thoughtful.
Pretty pathetic to just read books that reinforce your negative habits. You should try improving yourself instead of stagnating.
ok jordan peterstein
>stein
Because "Bukowski" is so much better.
He was a Polish-German, not a israelite
You could of course make the same argument about this and that -stein or -berg actually being German, but no one is that stupid. Hopefully.
>His mother, Katharina Bukowski, was the daughter of Wilhelm Fett and Nannette Israel.[12] The name Israel is widespread among Catholics in the Eifel region.
Lol.
https://www.geni.com/people/Nannette-Fett/6000000033295114296
moronic amerimutts detected
-ski surnames are and have been the most widespread surname types in poland since atleast the 16th century and at some point even a symbol of belonging to the nobility class
>and at some point even a symbol of belonging to the nobility class
Hmm, I wonder why...
>let me tell you about your country
>being a neet
>negative habit
maybe I should become a wagie and pay taxes, right, mr. goldberg?
Your inability to think of more than two options is exactly what's holding you back. I bet you think in terms of left and right wing, too.
>Your inability to think of more than two options
>work
>not work
what's the third option here, genius?
Read my first post again. Does it imply anything about getting a job? You morons always identify with the term "NEET", but most of you only really identify with the second E. Regardless, you use the term like a badge of honor. No, going out of your way to avoid education — whether out of laziness or just because you want to be in with the cool kids on whatever NEET forum you post on to b***h about your life — is pathetic, especially considering most of you are leeching off your parents anyway. At least take advantage of them in a way that's actually beneficial to yourself. You can't even be a proper leech, much less a functioning member of society, you nasty, unwashed piece of trash. Maybe someone needs to remind you fricks of the meaning of the label you give yourselves. But it doesn't matter either way, does it? You're all only LARPing, anyway.
What's the proper way to leech?
Chill out dude, you seem might worked up about all this.
Read Plato. NEETdom is an opportunity to ennoble your spirit. You have the mindset of a slave and probably have low-caste blood.
SOCRATES: But, O my friend, when he draws the other into upper air, and gets him out of his pleas and rejoinders into the contemplation of justice and injustice in their own nature and in their difference from one another and from all other things; or from the commonplaces about the happiness of a king or of a rich man to the consideration of government, and of human happiness and misery in general--what they are, and how a man is to attain the one and avoid the other--when that narrow, keen, little legal mind is called to account about all this, he gives the philosopher his revenge; for dizzied by the height at which he is hanging, whence he looks down into space, which is a strange experience to him, he being dismayed, and lost, and stammering broken words, is laughed at, not by Thracian handmaidens or any other uneducated persons, for they have no eye for the situation, but by every man who has not been brought up a slave. Such are the two characters, Theodorus: the one of the freeman, who has been trained in liberty and leisure, whom you call the philosopher,--him we cannot blame because he appears simple and of no account when he has to perform some menial task, such as packing up bed-clothes, or flavouring a sauce or fawning speech; the other character is that of the man who is able to do all this kind of service smartly and neatly, but knows not how to wear his cloak like a gentleman; still less with the music of discourse can he hymn the true life aright which is lived by immortals or men blessed of heaven
>NEETdom is an opportunity to ennoble your spirit
id est jerking off to anime child feet
that too
You're probably an Evola LARPer, right? Are you the guy who constantly posts about the aristocratic soul™?
Oh. Yup, I guess I was right. Funny how it goes. See, though? You're not NEET, you just like the label. I can quote Plato, as well.
>... this invention (writing) will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.
That plato quote, it's very wise. memory and imagination have both fallen to tbhetude and decline since the invention of writing. But it has no bearing on the question of what lifestyle in the modern world is best for one who seeks after wisdom and truth, or after the dream world disclosed by literature, which is more real than the physical.
My contention is that it's better to be a philosopher as a NEET with a modified aristocratic ethic than as a wagie, and that living on government benefits give you a precious opportunity to cultivate the fruits of leisure that only born aristocrats would have had in earlier times.
How are you supposed to cultivate memory as a wagie? There's a great book that treats the decline of memory, The art of Memory by Frances Yates. It also goes into various classical and medieval techniques for cultivating the memory. But if you're a wagie you might not even have time to read it...
>You're not NEET, you just like the label
Ok i guess i am a little bit educated (still have a long way to go to become properly cultured, though) but you can totally become cultured and erudite without needing a formal education.
>You're probably an Evola LARPer, right? Are you the guy who constantly posts about the aristocratic soul™?
No, that's a different homosexual. I'm NTA btw, but I know who you're talking about.
The
>Evola
>Stirner
>Knee Cheese
>Camus
>amor fricky, cucky
>Marcus Aurelius
>zen buddhism
autist.
not having a wagecuck job is an improvement
Jesus fricking Christ, who makes this shit? Stop playing dolls with Wojaks.
Sounds like you're one of the guys in that video.
>captcha: XXXD
>guys, how it's like here?
indians.
The amount of discipline required to live a life worth living as a NEET, especially a poor NEET on NEETbux, is much harder than just getting a shitty job and becoming a normalgay.
People don't realize the 9-5 is the easy way in life. The people that don't work typically have something wrong with them like autism, moronation or some type of screen addiction.
t. autistic NEET
>bros you actually don't understand the sheer stoic discipline required to stay inside and play video games all day... sometimes we even have to watch anime
nah it's pretty comfy
see
>especially a poor NEET on NEETbux
Granted it depends on your country - you can get by alright on the dole in several countries, but in many others (especially the USA where so many IQfyizens are from) it's a pretty shitty existence if you're dependent solely on government gibs.
This. Many obviously try it (unemployed a while etc.) but fail because NEETdom is too agonizing for them. I failed after a year. My uncle who is a veteran neet (schizo-autist, quite functional but no will to adapt to normie society) is the most miserable person I know. But to him being a normie would be even more miserable.
Karl Marx. "I deserve to be provided for if I can't do so for myself. If you work hard on something it's intrinsically valuable. It's not your fault if you don't succeed, it's someone else's."
He was an omega NEET in life and it shows in his writing.
God, I don't understand NEETs. I fricking love working. I love getting that check. I love eating a good meal after work. I'm a "wagie" too. So what's the deal?
>I fricking love working
buckbroken
So? What do you do all day, Black person?
read and shitpost when I get tired
>Not making money
Lol.
yeah it sucks but at least I don't have to pretend to enjoy something I despise
I am not pretending. I said I don't understand NEETs. So you would despise any job? I am so lost on this. Sure, sometimes work sucks. Sometimes work sucks so bad that it's funny in an absurd way. Doesn't make me want to quit.
>So you would despise any job?
yes I'm a lazy gay
>most of you only really identify with the second E
I'm not in employment, education or training. why do you assume I'm using the term incorrectly, moron?
>you use the term like a badge of honor
yes I'm a NEET because I'm superior to you. nah, just kidding. your entire post is made of baseless assumptions. go suck a dick, I don't wanna work. seethe.
>So you would despise any job?
Well yes of course. I don't get how you could answer no to this, working makes me hate life w/e the work is
Is this supposed to be the ultimate aim in life? I don't get it.
I work two or three days a week and make enough to pay my bills and even put money into a savings account. People call me lazy when they hear I don't work 40 hours a week. Funny thing is I get more accomplished by 10am then they do all day long. Of course none of it has to do with chasing paper so it must be a waste of time right?
I hated work until I got a slacker job at a grocery store. It's actually fun when you don't give a shit. I love watching the store manager losing his mind whenever the lettuce doesn't get rotated by his teenaged minimum wage employees who spend all day trying to frick each other through snapchat when they're standing ten feet away from each other. They do this whole awkward silent ritual with their phones within earshot of one another when they could just walk into the back room and pound it out. They both want it but neither one knows how to direct the ritual toward their goal so they just stand there for eight hours a day, five days a week, desperately tapping on their phones trying to hide their emotions from the occasional quick glances of the other. It's terrifically stupid and I love it. I also find stacking canned goods fairly relaxing.
leave the kids alone c**t
>one must imagine canstackeranon happy
you're a normie. most people are. now return to reddit.
Yeah, and? I am still getting money, Black person.
It's simply the opposite. You don't understand them and they don't understand you. It's like the anti-natalists against the natalists.
I get the same frustration with anti-natalists. Will never understand them.
Kys
Not mutually exclusive. I’m a NEET and I love working, but you know what I don’t love? Being taken advantage of, being treated like shit, my boss withholding my wages and having to litigate, working my ass off in some bullshit job society doesn’t respect and I have nothing to show for it. Not being able to have a place to stay, barely enough for food, can’t get insurance or the money to see a doctor because I’m given slave wages.
Ask for a raise. Stop buying shit you don't need. Eat healthy so you don't need a doctor.
It’s a losing game. Only way to win is to take yourself out of the equation and think outside the box in this rat race.
You think the boss refusing to pay me for my labor is going to give me a raise?
>Ask for a raise.
Cause that always works.
>Stop buying shit you don't need.
God forbid people buy things that they enjoy but don't need with the money that they earnt, right?
>Eat healthy so you don't need a doctor.
Didn't you know? Only people with poor diets see doctors, just eat well so you'll never encounter any medical issues ever.
You are resentful.
Maybe find enjoyment in something besides the dopamine hit of consumption. The thing is it takes some self reflection and creative thinking to exit the herd mentality and a lot of people just aren't up for it.
not a neet but I fricking hate working and the commute. sucks the life out of me
plato - theataetus
and many of evolas books (see e.g. the critique of marx in revolt against the modern world)
both have an aristocratic ethics which is fundamentally anti work.
I identify as boo radley
Nearly all ancient philosophy is compatible with willed unemployment, Cynicism and Stoicism come to mind, as they will teach you not to place value in external things and what other people may think but your own faculty of choice.
>Stoicism
>NEET
Don't stoics have a moral duty to engage in social service i.e., work for society through bureaucracy?
They say it's in our nature to be a ''social'' and ''rational'' human being, but that doesn't mean you have to work in some social service or work at all, these are external things. It means with anyone you come across in life, you act in a civil and reasoned manner, which is something what is up to us whether you have a job or not.
No the Stoics like all the other philosophy schools said philosophy was the only worthwhile occupation. But politics is a noble sacrifice for the philosophers.
Parable of The fisherman and the businessman
There was once a businessman who was sitting by the beach in a small Brazilian village. As he sat, he saw a Brazilian fisherman rowing a small boat towards the shore having caught quite few big fish. The businessman was impressed and asked the fisherman, “How long does it take you to catch so many fish?” The fisherman replied, “Oh, just a short while.” “Then why don’t you stay longer at sea and catch even more?” The businessman was astonished. “This is enough to feed my whole family,” the fisherman said. The businessman then asked, “So, what do you do for the rest of the day?” The fisherman replied, “Well, I usually wake up early in the morning, go out to sea and catch a few fish, then go back and play with my kids. In the afternoon, I take a nap with my wife, and evening comes, I join my buddies in the village for a drink — we play guitar, sing and dance throughout the night.”
The businessman offered a suggestion to the fisherman. “I am a PhD in business management. I could help you to become a more successful person. From now on, you should spend more time at sea and try to catch as many fish as possible. When you have saved enough money, you could buy a bigger boat and catch even more fish. Soon you will be able to afford to buy more boats, set up your own company, your own production plant for canned food and distribution network. By then, you will have moved out of this village and to Sao Paulo, where you can set up HQ to manage your other branches.”
The fisherman continues, “And after that?” The businessman laughs heartily, “After that, you can live like a king in your own house, and when the time is right, you can go public and float your shares in the Stock Exchange, and you will be rich.” The fisherman asks, “And after that?” The businessman says, “After that, you can finally retire, you can move to a house by the fishing village, wake up early in the morning, catch a few fish, then return home to play with kids, have a nice afternoon nap with your wife, and when evening comes, you can join your buddies for a drink, play the guitar, sing and dance throughout the night!” The fisherman was puzzled, “Isn’t that what I am doing now?”
There’s another iteration of this story that ends with the fisherman saying he will never be as wealthy as a businessman, but he’ll have something wealthy men will never have, he will have enough.
>“Isn’t that what I am doing now?”
yes, but you don't have healthcare
also there is mercury in your water from your soviet era industrial waste, you get paid two dollars an hour to be a Cabanna boy, and there is a coup every 5 minutes.
There was once a businessman who was sitting by the beach in a small village. As he sat, he saw a fisherman rowing a small boat towards the shore having caught quite few big fish.
The businessman flagged down the game warden, who asked the fisherman "Oi mate, you got a loicense fer dose fish?". The fisherman said "no I don't have a license, but I needed to feed my family". The game warden replied "That's a $70 fine per fish and I have to confiscate the fish. Also you have more than 2 red snapper, which is over the bag limit. That's a $150 fine per fish over the limit. A couple of these are also under the minimum size limit which is another $50 fine. That's a nice Greater Amberjack you caught, unfortunately the season for it doesn't start until August 1st so that's yet another fine. And I'll remind you that all vessels are required to be stocked with a USCG approved personal flotation device in case the boat capsizes. Due to the amount of violations committed here today you may be looking at felony poaching which carries a penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of $10,000, please come with me sir."
The fisherman said, "But sir, I don't have a job. I couldn't afford a license. I can't afford these fines. I can't afford a lawyer. I didn't know about all these regulations. I just wanted to feed my family. What will they do without me? How will they survive? We need these fish to live". The warden laughed heartily, "You should have thought of that before breaking the law. Maybe if you had a real job you could've purchased a license."
The business man, hearing all this, valiantly steps up and offers the fisherman a job at his canning factory for $5/hr. "If you have a real job and show your a productive member of society, the judge may be more lenient with your sentence." The fisherman spends the rest of his life working 12 hour days in the canning factory.
kino
“Clemency is from Allah and haste is from Satan.”
- Sunan al-Tirmidhī
taleb is definitely not a NEET and this quote is taken wildly out of context.
Being a beggar doesn't make you an aristocrat. People who take neetbux are just materially well-off beggars.
The state of servility might be inferior to aristocracy, but it's still superior and more noble than being a beggar.
You can become an aristocrat too. Just buy a farm and work for your food yourself.
Material wealth doesn't make you an aristocrat, being independant, and not working for someone else does.
>Just buy a farm and work for your food yourself.
I have people who do that for me
>You can become an aristocrat too. Just buy a farm and work for your food yourself.
Doing this type of peasant work is the antithesis of aristocracy. Aristocrats have other people, servile farmers like you, who make food for them.
>Material wealth doesn't make you an aristocrat, being independant, and not working for someone else does.
Even more moronic. Aristocrats aren't independent and also work for other people -- just not scrabbling in the dirt like you idealize.
>aristocracy is when you work on a farm
I suggest you grab an average high school history textbook and start reading.
Most people just have an inborn slave mentality. How often I've heard "I wouldn't know what to do if I didn't have a job! One time I took 2 weeks off and towards the end I was going crazy!". People like that can provide for those who are not disposed towards work.
No, those kind of people most likely have children to provide for you dumb Black person. Not that a virgin like you would understand that.
Contain your wagecuck rage please. "I get bored when I don't work" has nothing to do with them working out of the necessity to provide, and I've heard this from young and old people all the same. People freely admit that they need some sort of authority to direct their lives for them, because they can't do it themselves. Most people revert into netflix watching, pizza eating automatons when not directed by their masters and their fully admissive of this.
kys, moron. Can barely provide for family, chooses to have kids anyway. c**ts like you are the reason children suffer.
That's not pro-NEET, it's just moronic.
>durr how could you enjoy being paid to do something
Easily, by liking money.
>how could you enjoy being paid to do something
Slave mindset.
>The defined opposite of slavery is slavery
Okay lol, I'm glad that this philosophy got BTFO so hard that it's just making shit up now.
Being a NEET won't get me a gf.
>i just want someone to love
Rich women date hobos all the time, as long as they are chad enough.
Get a woman who is also unemployed, they exist.
>Neet quotes Plato
>Famously known as a student/teacher/master of philosophy.
If you were at all any good at it you'd be employed to some degree
The Greeks thought working was for slaves. Aristocrats did not work for a living. In Sparta, citizens were actually banned from having a profession. Plato and Aristotle both agreed with this and considered any sort of labor with your hands to exclude you as a citizen. Socrates refused any payment for teaching and even used his poverty as a point of him being good. Philosophers did have patrons, but philosophers who had patrons weren't considered better philosophers (Epictetus explicitly says this, and that you shouldn't care if you don't get one).
>Mentions Aristotle who was employed to teach kings
>Moves goalposts to only manual labour
>Mentions the Spartans which produced ?? many philosophers compared to Athens
>Ignores that all these men served in the military
>Ignores that all these men even if not having direct patrons were smart and industrious enough to at least keep their reputation going to survive.
Socrates was friends with Alcibiades who was the fricking leader for Athens for the time being, someone who worked their ass off as a politician.
This thread is about NEETs. As in people who aren't working today. The Greeks views of employment are incompatible with modern views. You seem confused.
Brain damaged.
>Greek
Yes, philosophy was my gateway drug into the neet lifestyle, too.
To answer OP's question, one good neet ideology fiction work is the man without qualities by Musil. On the one hand, maybe he was too lazy to become a man of quality, on the other hand, ...
>The bourgeoisie professes a morality that is most closely connected with its essence. Its first demand in this regard is that one should carry on a solid business, an honest trade, and lead a moral life. To it, the swindler, the prostitute, the thief, robber and murderer, the gambler, the penniless person without a job, the reckless one, are all immoral. The honest bourgeois citizen describes the feeling against these “immoral” people as his “deepest indignation.” All of them lack a stable residence, the solidity of business, a solid, respectable life, a steady income, etc., in short, because their existence does not rest on a secure basis, they are among the dangerous individuals or lone drifters, the dangerous proletariat; they are “individual troublemakers” who offer no “guarantees” and have “nothing to lose,” and so nothing to risk. The formation of family ties, for example, binds the human being, the one tied down holds to a pledge, can be understood; not so with the prostitute. The gambler stakes everything on the game, ruins himself and others—no guarantee. One can include all who appear suspicious, hostile, and dangerous to the bourgeois citizen in the name “vagabonds”; every vagabond way of living displeases him. Because there are also intellectual vagabonds to whom the ancestral home of their fathers seems too cramped and oppressive for them to be willing to content themselves with the limited space anymore; instead of staying within the bounds of a moderate way of thinking, and taking as inviolable truth what grants consolation and reassurance to thousands, they leap over all boundaries of tradition and run wild with their impudent criticism and untamed skepticism, these extravagant vagabonds. They form the class of the vagrant, restless, changeable, i.e., the proletariat, and when they give voice to their unsettled essence, they are called “unruly guys.”
How was his guy right about everything but sucked at selling milk of all things?
he sounds like he is a 14 year old stoner
any books in pure mathematics and cs. from a neet who's having too much fun proving useless theorems and making useless software
hardly pro-NEET, those authors embody the most employable strand of cs autism. especially in open source you can see this type of person often.
Id argue otherwise. That shit doesn’t pay, they are following their bliss and not focusing on making money. Early authors and mathematicians of the like we’re obsessed with getting on medical so they could focus on what they cared about and not work.
similarly on the CS side, no employer is going to hire someone to write emulators/virtual machines/operating system/compilers/machine learning frameworks. The programming autism which is employable are the ones that like machine learning monkeying or web
Who are we talking about here?
Not books, but I got some podcasts. First up is, “A Life Well Wasted.” It’s a video game podcast but has the underlining philosophy of a NEET.
Second podcast is, "It Could Happen Here," but just the Anti-work episodes in Nov of 2021. They have some mis-informations about articles written around that time period of a "Great resignation" which didn't really happen. But the philosophy is solid. If you want to know what actually happened around that time and understand the nuance of why articles about people resigning in mass were published watch, "How Money Works" YouTube video on it. Very informative.
The Abolition of Work - Bob Black
In Praise of Idlness - Bertrand Russell
The Right to be Lazy - Paul Lafargue
Laziness as Truth of Mankind - Kazimir Malevitch
Why Are Beggars Despised ? - George Orwell
On laziness - Christopher Morley
An Apology for Idlers - Robert Louis Stevenson
Does Work Really Work ? - L. Susan Brown
On The Phenomenon of Bullshit Jobs - David Graeber
Yeah. You seem like the type of person who buys too much shit they don't need. You can't make sacrifices for your own good.
It's unethical to allow yourself to be exploited. The options are to kill your boss or become a NEET.
Woah, . Academy. Don’t need to hit the nuclear option. There are other ways to fight back that doesn’t involve murder. Not participating in the rat race and withholding your labor is one of them.
Sometimes a man just has to follow the whims of his soul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Suk4vLLkrs
I can settle down and be doin' just fine
Til' I hear an old train rollin' down the line
Then I hurry straight home and pack
And if I didn't go, I believe I'd blow my stack
I love you baby, but you gotta understand
When the Lord made me, He made a Ramblin' Man
Some folks might sa-ay that I'm no good
That I wouldn't settle down if I could
But when that open ro-oad starts to callin' me
There's somethin' o'er the hill that I gotta see
Idiots only respond to the meme/picture, lol.
A picture speaks a thousand words. A meme speaks a thousand pictures
Which one are you talking about?
I can’t believe people are arguing for a 9 to 5 as if it’s a natural god given thing and not something people made up to exploit others labor.
They call me a drifter, they say I'm no good
I'll never amount to a thing
Well I may be a drifter and I may be no good
There's joy in this song that I sing
Saddle tramp, saddle tramp
I'm as free as the breeze and I ride where I please
Saddle tramp, saddle tramp
At night I will rest 'neath a blanket of blue
Doubt if I ever will change
I might even dream of a lady I knew
Might even whisper her name
yeah daytrading is for neets
just with moving average and some basic divergences from an oscillator
the key to trading is literally to kill your greed, and you do that by capping the profit (and also cutting the loses).
For 1 year targeting 100usd/day only. Literally learning to stop before all the gains are lost for good.
What about rent, healthcare and other stuff where you need large amount of money at a specific time?
I want to kill myself i hate my job so much
Why not quit the job?
Would wind up in same situation somewhere else
employ yourself
plenty of shit you can do online like e-commerce with skills you probably already have considering your post here
I find it increasingly true that the notion of freedom has to come at someone else's expense
you gotta get mean, anon
Just bee yourself
Revolt Against The Modern World
Bob Black's The Abolition of Work is required reading for such things and a major anarchist touchpoint. He btfos the concept of working anally and eternally. We've all been lied to
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work
>Liberals say we should end employment discrimination. I say we should end employment. Conservatives support right-to-work laws. Following Karl Marx’s wayward son-in-law Paul Lafargue I support the right to be lazy. Leftists favor full employment. Like the surrealists—except that I’m not kidding—I favor full unemployment. Trotskyists agitate for permanent revolution. I agitate for permanent revelry
>verification not required
i like how this guy writes:
>You may be wondering if I’m joking or serious. I’m joking AND serious. To be ludic is not to be ludicrous. Play doesn’t have to be frivolous, although frivolity isn’t triviality; very often we ought to take frivolity seriously. I’d like life to be a game—but a game with high stakes. I want to play FOR KEEPS.
>But if all the ideologues (as they do) advocate work—and not only because they plan to make other people do theirs—they are strangely reluctant to say so.
>verification not required
In the modern day, work is necessary--not because so much work needs to be done, but as a filter to prevent those who would lounge around and have kids in society that caters well for each individual from having so many kids that they cannot get to contribute that the system is spread thin and collapses. Working forces them to engage with a society that values "being at work" and educating their children for future success, which dampens certain tendencies among people.
That is really the 'best' justification for continuing modern work culture, at least among normies, and if it allows people to drop out and sponge up the overshooting production provided given they are not seeking to be part of the norm, all the better.
>The demeaning system of domination I’ve described rules over half the waking hours of a majority of women and the vast majority of men for decades, for most of their lifespans. For certain purposes it’s not too misleading to call our system democracy or capitalism or—better still—industrialism, but its real names are factory fascism and office oligarchy. Anybody who says these people are “free” is lying or stupid
Zamn!
>verification not required
How has no one said Zhuangzi yet?
>Carpenter Shih went to Ch’i and, when he got to Crooked Shaft, he saw a serrate oak standing by the village shrine. It was broad enough to shelter several thousand oxen and measured a hundred spans around, towering above the hills. The lowest branches were eighty feet from the ground, and a dozen or so of them could have been made into boats. There were so many sightseers that the place looked like a fair, but the carpenter didn’t even glance around and went on his way without stopping. His apprentice stood staring for a long time and then ran after Carpenter Shih and said, “Since I first took up my ax and followed you, Master, I have never seen timber as beautiful as this. But you don’t even bother to look, and go right on without stopping. Why is that?” “Forget it – say no more!” said the carpenter. “It’s a worthless tree! Make boats out of it and they’d sink; make coffins and they’d rot in no time; make vessels and they’d break at once. Use it for doors and it would sweat sap like pine; use it for posts and the worms would eat them up. It’s not a timber tree – there’s nothing it can be used for. That’s how it got to be that old!”
What does that have to do with being a NEET? The tree is the NEET?
No, it's the carpenter. Obviously, it's the fricking tree. Are you moronic? Your reading comprehension is actually worse than a 10-year-old, holy shit. Metaphor, metaphor, ever heard of that?
I didn't know "NEET" was a thing in that time.
I have a theory that most NEETs are depressed not because of their lack of job but because of the pressure from their parents and society over their lack of social status. The NEETs themselves don't seem to care much about their own social status.
Can confirm. As a NEET who’s not under any pressure, I’m the happiest person I know.
I have been a NEET for over 15 years overall with breaks where i was doing manual work( i am happier unemployed) i never once felt depressed because of what my parents or society would think of me, because that is their thoughts, not mine, what matters is what i think of myself, and i don't have any mean or ignoble thoughts about myself.
You know why people get depressed? because they place their own self worth in things external to themselves, such as having a ''job'' or a woman to frick and dump spunk into to every now and then, none of this shit is important, we are on this earth for a very short time, why waste it doing something you hate for shit you don't need. Time is the most precious commodity, because once it's gone you aint getting it back son.
Why can’t you have sex and a job and be miserable like the rest of us
>Why can’t you have sex
I can, they're called prostitutes, and i know this 50 year old woman with big breasts who opens her legs every time i see her, sex is readily available if you know where to look.
>a job
Freedom and my own time is more valuable than any amount of money for worthless shit i don't need.
>be miserable
Why?
whered do you get money
Neetbux obviously.
What do you do with your time anon
Study ancient philosophy, watch movies on the internet, listen to seventies/eighties music, eat shit and piss, browse forums, frick milfs, jack off, relax, chill out and go to sleep.
When i was working it was get bus to work, work for 10 hours, get bus home, eat and be too exhausted to do anything, and people wonder why i didn't like working.
>eat shit and piss
refrain
>I have time to learn
>I learn psychology
>I learn sociology
>I learn military science
>I learn history
>I learn ecology
>I learn evolutionary biology
>I learn linguistics
>I am content
>military
>science
You should draft a book based on your knowledge on such matters.
I am actually working on it
Pynchie
I never found unemployment difficult or intolerable in any way, but i always struggled to hold down a job for any length of time, maybe some people are just not designed for work, i don't know, there was just a voice in the back of my head saying ''I'm not bothered about this and it isn't worth sacrificing my life so i can be a bit better off'' and getting nice things never really brought any lasting happiness. It just seems like a huge scam.
>It just seems like a huge scam
Yes contributing to society to make it better for everyone is a scam. How do you get your daily groceries? If you have neetbux, where do you think that money comes from?
You could argue many jobs don't contribute to society (fake jobs), but working isn't a scam. Human's have had to work for their bread since forever.
>contributing to society
nta but this is nonsense. Why job itself is to scam society legally so that my rich masters can make more money.
>it isn't worth sacrificing my life
Fair point until you look back on 5 years of neetdom and realise you didn't achieve anything, you weren't even happy, you still 'sacrificed your life' and you may have well have spent those years working half the time and putting down a deposit on a house while also building social connections, learning to integrate into society and upskilling
I have been a neet for over 10 years. i don't regret it whatsoever, freedom is more valuable than any other thing.
>building social connections, learning to integrate into society and upskilling
kek, what am i going to talk to them about, football, women and other boring shit others talk about? why would i want to be part of such a society?.
>Presumably you make more money there than you could on your own so it's a blessing
It's a sign of a wretched and small mind to be obsessed with such a base and disgusting thing.
holy shit look at this fricking pajeet. can't believe all these fricking pajeets on IQfy now. you just know this fricking creature unironically looks at instagram grindset pages.
But what if I like my job?
I’m a firefighter and I work one day then two days off (can still get called in if shit really hits the fan). Whenever I do my job it’s something important that helps people that I can see the effects of. If I die on the job so be it, I don’t have a family and I will die doing something I believe to be good and righteous
If you enjoy your work then more power to you. By working as a firefighter you are providing a necessary public service whereby lives are genuinely saved and it's you to thank.
Compare this to someone working 60 hour weeks in a call-centre selling broadband packages to lonely pensioners and you will understand the plight of the wannabe NEET
You are part of the shrinking minority of people that perform real duties that benefit real people. Most "jobs" these days are nonsense all about playing with monopoly money.
There is nothing wrong in enjoying your portion, so take pride in your work and that done you may simply eat and drink and make merry.
>firefighter
Well, that explains it. You get something meaningfull from your job. I work in insurance. My job is to scam innocent desperate people and deny them their money. I try my best to be a moral person but get shit on for it by everyone from higher-ups to the customers themselves whom I am desperately trying to save.
>not being a remote software "engineer" pulling an easy six figures to move some html around a few pixels and shift your stories on the kanban board every now and then
>not using all the free time and headspace to attend to other matters, effectively living a NEET lifestyle while still respected by society and your family, and with plenty of spare cash to do whatever you want
>be neet
>still give free sex to random bawds
women really have an easy life
I don't mind working, it's just the process of getting a job that is an apparently unsurmountable obstacle that I hate.
It's not fair, no one told me I'd have to be be a cold calling salesman in order to get a job, or the other alternative, a super charasmatic and social manipulator.
Working is fine, so long as the job is worth the money it's paying (which is subjective).
This may not hold for everywhere for all jobs, but at least regarding pretty much anything but sales, you're guaranteed payment for all time spent working. Why would I have a problem with that?
Its time spent working that you aren't getting paid for in any way with no guarantee that I have a big problem with (job hunting). I vehemently dislike wasting time.
>Its time spent working that you aren't getting paid for in any way with no guarantee that I have a big problem with (job hunting). I vehemently dislike wasting time.
Not to mention the humiliation ritual that is the job interview.
>Not to mention the humiliation ritual that is the job interview.
homie just be honest with them and don't go into one with the aim of getting anything from them, i have just talked to them like everyone else in the past and got work because of it.
One asked why have you got gaps in your work history and i just said because i didn't have a job.
>One asked why have you got gaps in your work history and i just said because i didn't have a job.
How do you even get an interview with gaps in your work history?
By lying (within reason but you can get away with a lot) Nobody calls references for some bullshit entry job. If your job actually counts they might.
>anti-work homies when their pancreas explodes but all the ambulance drivers and surgeons have decided to emulate Emil Cioran
I guess it was the moment to die.
>The desire to die was my one and only concern; to it I have sacrificed everything, even death.
When did work go from supporting yourself + your dependents to selling your best decades to some boomers pension?
kys pass Black person
How do you neet and not end up homeless
Some countries have a welfare which is substantial enough for the basics.
Even to rent an apartment?
Yes.
Doesn't that have horrific unforeseen consequences on wider society due to interfering in the free market?
There is a concept of "welfare trap", in which being on said welfare is subjectively better choice than working in a low-wage job. It's definitely an issue, but living like this is generally shunned by the wider society. It's also very solitary so quite many end up depressed.
It's not a trap, it's called reality. Why would any sane person want to work and make their life worse if they're perfectly happy and content with very little? working just to be a bit better off and having money i don't need while making my life worse in the process is not a rational decision. Slaving away in a factory, warehouse or office for 40 hours a week is not a natural state for mankind, perhaps modern society and modern social conventions are complete bullshit and go against human nature?
It's a trap in the sense that you could for example do some gig-type of temporary jobs for some extra cash, but you can't because you'd lose the welfare as a result. The options are a full-time job or a full-time NEET. You'd better commit to your chosen lifestyle.
Another alternative is getting a full time job but not putting any effort in so they get rid of you after a month or so, then you can just say ''i couldn't meet their targets'' and ''i wasn't fast enough for them''. People should also be allowed to do jobs what only last a couple of days without any effect too, i would do that myself, but slaving away in a factory for 40-50 hours a week? no thanks been there done that.
I think the biggest issue with NEETing is that your future is stagnant and on the mercy of the society that provides you. The best thing you could do as a NEET is to cultivate a skills you truly enjoy that can also be eventually valuable for others, preferably self-employed.
>future is stagnant
I live in the now, the only moment any of us live in is now, the future is not guaranteed you could be dead tomorrow so enjoy the present.
>the mercy of the society that provides you
All of us are in different ways.
>The best thing you could do as a NEET is to cultivate a skills you truly enjoy that can also be eventually valuable for others, preferably self-employed.
Maybe, i will think about this one, thank you.
the same could be said for those in work.
The same society that provides welfare for NEETs also provides jobs for those willing and able to work.
Though the humble NEET would be the first to feel the contraction of society, no worker who is dependent on a job as their means of earning a living would be protected in such a situation.
>perhaps modern society and modern social conventions are complete bullshit and go against human nature?
t.
Being compared to an incredibly intelligent person is quite the compliment, especially considering I'm moronic.
By not being completely honest on your C.V.
People say we should implement UBI, but don't we already have that in the form of social security?
SS only comes in the form of a monthly check after retirement though. You would have to put in labor for decades for any check in a meaningful amount.
UBI would theoretically be much more accessible frim a younger age.
This thread confuses me.
I’m about to graduate with a shitty business degree and I’m pretty sure I’ve done nothing useful my whole life. I fear for the future that I look back and regret not using the time I had as a NEET much better. Even worse, I fear I might find myself a wagie for life or something… I daydream about having le trad wife someday but I’d definitely need a good income for that. Not sure what is the best mindset to have going into the future if I want to avoid permanently becoming a slave.
>I daydream about having le trad wife someday but I’d definitely need a good income for that.
So it's that you want to work, but more that you need to work to get a trad wife. Would you still work if you got a trad wife without working? Assuming your needs for food, shelter, etc. are taken care of?
No lol
I don’t wanna work but I know I must (probably) so I will. It would be a dream to be able to earn a living without working for someone else.
it's not that*
Why wouldn't you be grateful for it? Presumably you make more money there than you could on your own so it's a blessing.
If you want to blame anyone for a shitty life than blame your parents for not raising you right and/or not setting you up financially, willingly birthing you into nu slavery. Or you could, you know... find Jesus and learn to turn your suffering into something productive.
>find Jesus and learn to turn your suffering into something productive.
The Christian bible teaches you that poverty is a virtue anon, I'm a Pagan/Pantheist and even I know this.
Damn pegans outperforming the Christians again.
The secret to success is to not play the game.
Anything on Contemplation vs Action. It is actually a rather prevalent theme.
I think you should make another thread for that?
If your only goal is to "enjoy", well, that's a pretty sad and shallow goal. The goal if staying in a playpen, of filling your diapers without having to change them, of eating cake and ice cream for dinner, and of having every temper tantrum be considered the pinnacle of critical thought.
This is a very infantile sentiment. Try joy is brought about by accomplishment, by inner growth, by struggle. Grown-ups know this.
That is a needlessly complex way of saying ''I am a slave''
Struggle, certainly. But struggling to fund someone else's expenses while you slave away in a cubicle isn't really struggling. It's coping.
I despise commies but "The Right To Be Lazy" by Paul Lafarge has great quotes.
>Jehovah gave his worshippers the supreme example of ideal laziness; after six days of work, he rests for all eternity.
>The Greeks in their era of greatness had only contempt for work: their slaves alone were permitted to labor: the free man knew only exercises for the body and mind. … The philosophers of antiquity taught contempt for work, that degradation of the free man, the poets sang of idleness, that gift from the Gods.