>other ARM makers still are struggling with making a chip tha can compete against the M1 >meanwhile Apple is on its way to announce the M4 series of chips
The absolute of ARM makers.
>M1 (iPad)
So this thing is completely kneecapped by power, right? It's not the "real" M1 you get in a MBP or mac mini.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yea, the real one is probably a bit faster the Mac mini uses 39 watts at full power.
The m1 iPad uses up to 14 watts of power, the 8 gen 3 uses up to 12 watts of power (way too high for a phone lol)
Still pretty impressive tbqh. >inb4 it still consumes 2x as much power
It uses a little less power. But it uses way too much watts for a phone.the a17 pro uses a lot less power max, it uses 8 watts at most compared to the 12 watts on the 8 gen 3.
1 month ago
Anonymous
oh I didnt realise this was a phone chip, I thought this was the shit they put in that thinkpad
1 month ago
Anonymous
No, the x elite is for that sorta stuff. The cpu and gpu is on faster than the rog ally and legion go (the x elite plays worse in games though looking at early benchmarks). The problem is it is a power hungry chip, it goes from 23 watts to 80 watts.
https://www.topcpu.net/en/cpu-c/amd-ryzen-z1-extreme-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite
The m3 is max 20 watts.
https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-vs-apple-m3
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The problem is it is a power hungry chip, it goes from 23 watts to 80 watts.
God damn ARM is shit. >The m3 is max 20 watts.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The M2 would draw up to 32 watts in the Air that had a fricking tinfoil for cooling.
Still loses in raw perf to an 8th gen i5.
1 month ago
Anonymous
> 8th gen i5
Pc or mobile?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Pretty respectable then. Sure, they aren't touching M3 or god beware M4 like this but M1 is basically the perfect chip for <13" laptops and tablets, so having something on par is a pretty big deal. Especially if they can make it reasonably cheap.
x86 (x64) is practically a monolith. Too many people have software relying on the architecture. Sane people aren't just going to accept a new architecture without a VERY good reason.
Deep down modern x86 is also RISC and only from the outside CISC. Performance will be decided trough vector processors and driver support. And because x86 has better support for most software x86 will ein.
The future is ARM thin clients talking to custom-Si or ARM servers on backend. It's actually happening: Amazon is already doing this, Google and all their services are on the way, MS... will figure something out or just sell Surface thin clients. Apple already makes the thin clients and they're all custom-kinda-ARM. The big purchases on the backend is stuff like NV Grace and custom silicon, Intel and AMD are desperately trying to jump on the bandwagon with "NPUs" which are just custom Si interposed with an X86 chip.
X86 really is dead. It's just that QCOM didn't have anything to do with it. It was Apple (client) and infra companies (AMZN, GOOG, NFLX) all deciding to move away from X86 for different reasons.
Notebook+PC accounts for like 5% of internet traffic and an equivalent share of e-commerce. Everything is done on phones+tablets talking to servers, which are admittedly still mostly X86 but not for long.
ultimately it doesn't matter. the moment we get a 50% speedup, webshitters will immediately expand the scope of their shitware to use up that performance gain and we will return to a steady-state condition where each webpage takes ~2 seconds to load.
>forgotten
Look man they haven't actually shipped any hardware with the thing in it, you think anyone here' is going to be hyping something up that's not even obtainable and we won't really know if it even offers UEFI or an unlocked bootloader until it arrives?
>X86 killer
>no serious software is targeting ARM
The only thing Quckcomm's ever killed so far is freedom.
Well, they aren't exactly known for delivering, so it's like hearing some chink claims.
>other ARM makers still are struggling with making a chip tha can compete against the M1
>meanwhile Apple is on its way to announce the M4 series of chips
The absolute of ARM makers.
That's the story of the A[N] chips of iPhones too
The 8 gen 3 is almost as fast as the m1, but it took Qualcomm 3 years + stealing Apple talent to do it.
>M1 (iPad)
So this thing is completely kneecapped by power, right? It's not the "real" M1 you get in a MBP or mac mini.
Yea, the real one is probably a bit faster the Mac mini uses 39 watts at full power.
The m1 iPad uses up to 14 watts of power, the 8 gen 3 uses up to 12 watts of power (way too high for a phone lol)
It uses a little less power. But it uses way too much watts for a phone.the a17 pro uses a lot less power max, it uses 8 watts at most compared to the 12 watts on the 8 gen 3.
oh I didnt realise this was a phone chip, I thought this was the shit they put in that thinkpad
No, the x elite is for that sorta stuff. The cpu and gpu is on faster than the rog ally and legion go (the x elite plays worse in games though looking at early benchmarks). The problem is it is a power hungry chip, it goes from 23 watts to 80 watts.
https://www.topcpu.net/en/cpu-c/amd-ryzen-z1-extreme-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite
The m3 is max 20 watts.
https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/qualcomm-snapdragon-x-elite-vs-apple-m3
>The problem is it is a power hungry chip, it goes from 23 watts to 80 watts.
God damn ARM is shit.
>The m3 is max 20 watts.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The M2 would draw up to 32 watts in the Air that had a fricking tinfoil for cooling.
Still loses in raw perf to an 8th gen i5.
> 8th gen i5
Pc or mobile?
Pretty respectable then. Sure, they aren't touching M3 or god beware M4 like this but M1 is basically the perfect chip for <13" laptops and tablets, so having something on par is a pretty big deal. Especially if they can make it reasonably cheap.
>stealing Apple talent to do it.
>Ex-Apple employers hope target the server market
>Apple lawsuit
>Qualcomm brought company
Thanks Apple
Still pretty impressive tbqh.
>inb4 it still consumes 2x as much power
x86 (x64) is practically a monolith. Too many people have software relying on the architecture. Sane people aren't just going to accept a new architecture without a VERY good reason.
Deep down modern x86 is also RISC and only from the outside CISC. Performance will be decided trough vector processors and driver support. And because x86 has better support for most software x86 will ein.
What do you suppose the IS in RISC and CISC mean?
The future is ARM thin clients talking to custom-Si or ARM servers on backend. It's actually happening: Amazon is already doing this, Google and all their services are on the way, MS... will figure something out or just sell Surface thin clients. Apple already makes the thin clients and they're all custom-kinda-ARM. The big purchases on the backend is stuff like NV Grace and custom silicon, Intel and AMD are desperately trying to jump on the bandwagon with "NPUs" which are just custom Si interposed with an X86 chip.
X86 really is dead. It's just that QCOM didn't have anything to do with it. It was Apple (client) and infra companies (AMZN, GOOG, NFLX) all deciding to move away from X86 for different reasons.
>X86 really is dead
>with 85% notebook and nearly 100% PC market share
right
Notebook+PC accounts for like 5% of internet traffic and an equivalent share of e-commerce. Everything is done on phones+tablets talking to servers, which are admittedly still mostly X86 but not for long.
>onyon cpu
ultimately it doesn't matter. the moment we get a 50% speedup, webshitters will immediately expand the scope of their shitware to use up that performance gain and we will return to a steady-state condition where each webpage takes ~2 seconds to load.
Apple wins again.
>forgotten
Look man they haven't actually shipped any hardware with the thing in it, you think anyone here' is going to be hyping something up that's not even obtainable and we won't really know if it even offers UEFI or an unlocked bootloader until it arrives?