Read Samuel Johnson.

Read Samuel Johnson.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This guy looks like he would throughly enjoy Yogi Bear cartoons.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have. Among your favorites?
    For me probably Lives of the Poets and Rasselas, which I first read (thanks, Dad) when I was 14.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lives of the Poets is good. I personally prefer his moral essays: Rambler, Idler, Adventurer. I think the essay is where he truly shines and I love reading his thoughts in short format.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I like the moral essays as well but it was Johnson himself who turned me on to Joseph Addison (and Richard Steele too, of course), i.e. that wonderfully imaginative sprawl in essay form, The Spectator --which is definitely one of my favorite productions in the whole of literature. After Johnson is Coleridge (especially the essays in The Friend) and Lamb (Elia) who I like at least as much. DeQuincey's English Mail Coach may be my favorite single essay --though to call it an 'essay' may be a stretch.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Love seeing references to Addison and De Quincey. Some of the greatest writers in the language but I never see them brought up here.

          As an aside- I think the essay as a format of writing doesn't get the respect it deserves. Montaigne says a book is a way to interact with the authors spirit. If so essays are a more direct conversation with these people. Also- a good essay may be the coziest form of writing to chill with.

          I love the essays of R.L. stevenson. El Dorado, a three page essay about the pursuit of lifelong unattainable things, is my favorite piece of writing in the world.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have a copy of Virginibus Puerisque somewhere around here, and another volume of essays by RLS more generally titled --do you happen to know which volume El Dorado's in?
            Of RLS's shorter essay pieces the one that comes first to my mind is The Lantern-Bearers, just a remarkable period piece about what seems like (from this point in time) ancient boyhood.
            St. Ives may be my favorite work of his (though unfinished) but this is perhaps due to a fondness for anything concerning the French Revolution and Empire period-- from Southey's Nelson to the Aubrey/Maturin novels and Sharpe's Rifles series!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Love seeing references to Addison and De Quincey. Some of the greatest writers in the language but I never see them brought up here.

            Bloody 'ell, the anti-Angloism!

            Seriously though, the English sensibility is pretty much antithetical to that of this board, always has been. But yes, those authors seem cool and the whole world of letters in England in the wake of Johnson's reinvigorating the essay form was such a thriving, fertile environment. I think what people often also miss on IQfy, due to the tendency of taking particular great works and comparing them in an isolated fashion, is the living, breathing, interactive context that gives literature a real sense of place, and forms like essays where authors can free-associate about literature do a great job of illuminating the said context when it comes to other works, while also themselves serving as basic units which when taken together with other essays, poems, letters, etc., form the texture of that context for their own time. When you really get immersed in that context, it's so much easier to understand what's going on with any given particular work, and the difference in the reading experience is like the difference between looking at a single flower in a nondescript room vs. actually being out in nature. And the cultural scene of that place and time exemplified that aspect of literature, its members lived and breathed their art so naturally that it's hard for their works to be presented in a way that fits the paradigm by which IQfy conceptualizes these things.

            I think that for any sincere reader, the attainment of this type of understanding constitutes the dawning of a new day for his enjoyment of literature and for his understanding of it. It may demystify some works and authors in a way that deprives them of some of their shine, but the overall picture that one gains in compensation is a total qualitative leap up from the naive cargo-cult IQfy understanding, in terms of true literary pleasure. One thing that helped a lot for me was learning about Spengler's gestalt conception of cultures and their aesthetics, it helped me free myself from thinking that an aesthetic object was only valuable insofar as it was the expression of some individual genius, or insofar as it consciously, explicitly expounded some important idea.

            You should read Johnson's Life of Richard Savage in Lives of the Poets, anon. Not much of a poet, Savage is only in there because he was Johnson's personal friend and Grub Street mentor. Truly a lovely if tragic piece. An homage to a friend, sweet reading.

            Savage was such a perfectly representative figure for his time, a shameless man in a shameless age. I've read a few of his works because I was autistically interested in that period for a while. He's energetic and not without some unrefined talent, but he is totally devoid of any true depth of feeling, and all his "thoughts" are insincere posturing; I enjoyed reading it all the same though, but certainly far, far from essential unless you want a firsthand look at the era or at his eccentric life.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >unless you want a first hand look
            But this is absolutely what must be had in your comment to the anon just before me! A sentiment with which I agree!
            Nonetheless I only recommended the Savage Life as a knee-jerk reaction to the comment I addressed. Just a quick flash of young, thoroughly awkward Sam and the half mad, perpetually discoursing Savage wandering the pre-electric lit streets of early hours London drunk, cold, near starving

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But this is absolutely what must be had in your comment to the anon just before me!

            Very good point, he is a particularly interesting case among the many minor writers who are helpful in illuminating the world of Augustan London - your Cibbers, your Haywoods, your Henry Careys, plus all the others who, while perhaps less colorful and memorable, still add their voices to complete the chorus.

            Another fun Savage fact, he was the namesake for the Savage Club in the latter half of the 19th century, another strange and somewhat forgotten age in literature - the idea being that "If we accept Richard Savage as our godfather, it shows that there is no pride about us". All the same, the club went on to boast such prominent and disparate members as Wodehouse, Whistler, Charlie Chaplin, Earl Mountbatten, Dante Rossetti, Somerset Maugham, Captain Scott, Mark Twain, Dylan Thomas, Lord Kitchener, W.S. Gilbert, J.M. Barrie, Rachmaninov, Edward Elgar, and three successive kings of England. So I suppose Johnson did succeed after all in elevating him to a sort of immortality.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks for the aside, anon, appreciate both the color and the irony!
            Question on Cibber- your take on the Apology? Once held an old Bohn's or Nelson's classic in me mitts (back in school) but failed to purchase. Is it worth tracking down?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I haven't read it, my interest was too narrow to include that slightly later period - in fact I read the original Theobald version of the Dunciad rather than the Cibber one. I did read some secondary source that described some of his back-and-forth with Pope though, nothing particularly remarkable, just some lively jabs on the subject of sexual potency. But he certainly seems like a Savagesque early Georgian era con-man, a spiritual brotherhood that he shares with Macclesfield, Bolingbroke, Jonathan Wild, Jack Sheppard, the South Sea schemers and all their imitators, Mary Toft of rabbit-birth-hoax fame, Wharton and Ripperda who acted as Jacobite "ambassadors" to Spain, John James Heidegger the impresario of operas and masquerades, the king's mistress who perpetrated the Wood's halfpence scheme - a true rogues' gallery, populated by only the most worthless characters, with Walpole himself as the permissive, jolly and cordially corrupt master of ceremonies, while the ineffectual kings and pretenders sat and watched history pass them by.

            I imagine owning a curiosity like that would make for a very fun conversation piece, I certainly wasn't buying the random stuff I read though, just using libgen, google books, archive, etc.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'll pick it up, read it, and then perhaps make a thread even the sp's will ignore. Maybe read Walpole's letters first; I've had a copy for almost two yrs now.
            I've been collecting subsequently buying selling trading books since the age of 14 so I'll get a physical copy. Thanks for the input!

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Walpole seems fun, ironically I've read a few of Robert Walpole's letters but never Horace's.

            You should definitely go for the 1889 Nimmo edition, there's no better flex than spending $2000+ on a terrible book.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Kek, I basically collect old pocket Oxfords, Everyman's, Bohn's, Nelson's, Sundials-- books of this ilk. I do happen to have a 2 vol First Authorized American from the 9th London edition of Johnson's Dictionary in fantastic condition, however, worth ca. 3k at this point fwiw
            Yeah, Horace's whiny 'eccentric' letters were once considered 'the finest in the language' etc. etc. at least according to the introducer of his volume, ca. late 20's early 30's, and no doubt remain so

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pic

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Beautiful volumes. How do I get into collecting books? Do you do anything to keep their condition? Is it an expensive hobby?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Love seeing references to Addison and De Quincey. Some of the greatest writers in the language but I never see them brought up here.

          As an aside- I think the essay as a format of writing doesn't get the respect it deserves. Montaigne says a book is a way to interact with the authors spirit. If so essays are a more direct conversation with these people. Also- a good essay may be the coziest form of writing to chill with.

          I love the essays of R.L. stevenson. El Dorado, a three page essay about the pursuit of lifelong unattainable things, is my favorite piece of writing in the world.

          Probably my favorite living essayist is Theodore Dalrymple, who just so happens to be an admirer of Dr Johnson and to have written several great essays on him, for instance this one:
          https://www.city-journal.org/article/what-makes-doctor-johnson-great

          Apparently he even has a course on Rasselas now, if anyone's interested. Can't vouch for that though.
          https://www.ralston.ac/humanities-short-courses/introduction-to-samuel-johnsons-rasselas

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Will check out. My favorite was Gass until a few years ago (every one of his collections is gold). Now it's probably a.. woman-- Cynthia Ozick, especially her work on Henry James, but Fame and Fortune's a good collection with which to begin.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Based Dad.

      https://i.imgur.com/vlAqDKM.jpg

      Read Samuel Johnson.

      Very comfy while also being "exotic" due to the massive changes in aesthetic sensibility that have happened between then and now.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Samuel Johnson is responsible for turning me against the Aeneid. Johnson is right, there IS nothing original or inventive about it. Everything cool or interesting in the Aeneid is something Virgil steals from Homer, whom Johnson, rightly, considers the superior poet.

    I still think Virgil is pretty good. The Eclogues are great and I do respect the positive influence he had on Dante. But the Aeneid itself can suck it.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Aeneid is great, its greatness is just more "on the surface" than that of the Greek epics, it has a beautiful texture rather than a sublime structure. As Dryden says, Homer "surpasses" in "loftiness of thought", Virgil in "majesty".

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"loftiness of thought"
        >"majesty"
        those can practically be synonyms. god i fricking hate critics

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          "Loftiness of thought" is a description much more restricted to an unusually rarefied, sophisticated, and developed concept or theme, whereas "majesty" (especially in an era when kings still reigned) calls to mind pomp and circumstance, external beauty - in the case of poetry, beauty of words and images. Note that majesty ultimately refers to *size*, which is a rather different metaphorical description than one which refers to *height*. Just because words are used all willy-nilly these days doesn't mean we can project our confusion back in time. Also the quotes are from a poem, so he wasn't exactly trying to give rigorously exhaustive definitions.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Didn’t he just write dictionaries? I only know about him because he was one of the first people to have a biography.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I remember being so pleased with Rasselas because I was at a period where I hungered for explicit moral instruction and it delievered this so well.
    Same goes for The Rambler and other essays.
    Don't hesitate to buy a copy of his compiled major works.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Read James Boswell.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that part where some of Johnson's young friends go to wake him up in the middle of the night and he agrees to go along with them
      >they get in a boat and row all the way up the Thames

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        You should read Johnson's Life of Richard Savage in Lives of the Poets, anon. Not much of a poet, Savage is only in there because he was Johnson's personal friend and Grub Street mentor. Truly a lovely if tragic piece. An homage to a friend, sweet reading.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What's your favorite Boswell journal, anon? I think I'm probably pretty typical in my choice of the First London 1762-63; the Holland Journal, though still good, is perhaps the slowest going.

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