Redpill me on the Qu-ran. Is it worth reading? Is it one of the more literary holy texts or is there another more poetic than this?
 Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14 |
 |
Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14 |
Redpill me on the Qu-ran. Is it worth reading?
Supposedly it’s nice in Arabic, but untranslatable. Can’t confirm, I can’t read Arabic, but I will say that reading it in English was the most unpleasant reading experience of my life.
Chapters are arranged from longest to shortest, except for the first one (a short prayer). The Cow is chapter two, and it’s a fricking slog. The text assumes you’re familiar with the stories it covers, so it jumps from place to place with no regard to chronology or even thematic coherence. Most of it can be understood if you’ve read the Bible, but some of it cannot. It’s all narrated by Allah, who speaks in a royal first person pronoun. It switches between talking to Muhammad and talking to all believers in a second. 90% of it is “woe to those who disbelieve. We sent clear signs, and yet you did not believe. The fire! We have sent you Abraham, and he presented you with clear signs, and a book. Say to those who do not accept your prophecy, you are unbelievers. The fire for you. Ham laf alim. Moses struck the stone, and was not this a clear sign? And the people who accepted Moses, Jesus, and Dhoulkarnain were righteous. And is this not proof? We have sent a clear book.”
It goes on and on with this garbage.
look for a translation that focuses less on meaning and more on poetic quality
if you read the quran like the bible you will just get filtered like this guy
>Supposedly it’s nice in Arabic, but untranslatable.
A very classic kind of cope.
it's not meant to be read in an afternoon though, is it
The Sufi mystics who spent countless hours meditating on it, could have written a thousand books far better than it in poetic terms. Read them instead.
I feel the same way with Christian mystics like Meister Eckhart and Rudolf Steiner.
Give me some recs then, moron or frick off
Not when you ask like that.
Okay, please give me some recs, anon
Just read some Henry Corbin, specifically his "Creative Imagination in the Sufism of Ibn Arabi", and "Avicenna's Visionary Recital" which includes a translation of his mystical recital called Hayy Ibn Yaqzan. The former work will introduce you to the psycho-cosmogony of who many consider to be the greatest Sufi mystic; after, you can read him directly through any old translation of his Meccan Revelations and his Bezels of Wisdom which, to speak personally, very much saved my mind.
To redpill you on the qu-ran is to tell you to go read the BIble instead.
But the Qu-ran is more recent than the Bible, so is it not reasonable to assume its existence is to wrap up any misconceptions regarding the word of God and the follows of Abraham?
>more recent
>so is it not reasonable to assume
fallacious assumption
That's what the book and followers of it claim. Do you have anything that actually refutes this or do you just suffer from christcuckery?
So go straight to Bahai, right?
>qu'ran
More like mi'dwit
yes, start with the greeks
Is it true that "Islamic Philosophy" is just neo-platonism?
[God recites random letters from the alphabet]
God is so good God is awesome
God was so very clear with these people, and yet they rejected him, can you believe that?
We'll pull their ears, and their heads will be dunked in the toilets of the faithful
By the way, did you know [insert abridged Old Testament story out of nowhere]
Anyway like We were saying
(repeat all the above)
For it is:
Do this, do that,
a rule for this, a rule for that;
a little here, a little there.” (Kiy tzaw lätzäw tzaw lätzäw qaw läqäw qaw läqäw z'ëyr shäm z'ëyr shäm)
Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues
God will speak to this people,
to whom he said,
“This is the resting place, let the weary rest”;
and, “This is the place of repose”—
but they would not listen. (Isaiah 28)
So then, the word of the Lord to them will become:
Do this, do that,
a rule for this, a rule for that;
a little here, a little there—
so that as they go they will fall backward;
they will be injured and snared and captured.
Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scoffers
who rule this people in Jerusalem. (Isaiah 28, 13-14)
Are you one of those who were filtered by the Lord?
Consider the Koran, for example; this wretched book was sufficient to start a world-religion, to satisfy the metaphysical needs of countless millions for twelve hundred years, to become the basis of their morality and of a remarkable contempt for death, and also to inspire them to bloody wars and the most extensive conquests. Much may be lost in translation, but I have not been able to discover in it one single idea of value.
As literature, as philosophy, it is shockingly, astoundingly bad. It's incredibly dull, it mentions stories but tells none, it rambles, punctuated by salivating over how unbelievers will suffer in hell forever and also (unconvincingly) about how merciful Allah is. I cannot understand how a major religion was founded on this, every single scripture mogs this; every Hindoo scripture obliterates it, the Bible shreds it, I haven't read the Mormon silly book but it can't be worse. I think Diabetics is better honestly, it's not bloodthirsty. It's really, really, really bad, and all the talk about "muh poetry in the original Arabic" is cope. It's just terrible tripe.
Which is weird because Muslims are generally very chill and seem really pious and I can't understand where they are getting it from. Goes to show how books are stupid I guess
You guys think the quran is bad
Try reading hadith
>It is narrated that Muhammad once went to the bathroom without washing his hands, but he then said “there was a demon hidden in that sink, and Allah revealed it to me.” This was narrated by Bodkin Van Horn, who heard it from Hoos-Foos, who heard it from Snimm, who heard it from Hot-Shot, who heard it from Sunny Jim, who heard it from Shadrack, who heard it from Blinkey, who heard it from Stuffy, who heard it from Stinkey, who heard it from Putt-Putt, who heard it from Moon Face, who heard it from Marvin O'Gravel Balloon Face, who heard it from Ziggy, who heard it from Soggy Muff.One Buffalo Bill, who heard it from Biffalo Buff, who heard it from Sneepy, who heard it from Weepy Weed, who heard it from Paris Garters, who heard it from Harris Tweed, who heard it from Sir Michael Carmichael Zutt, who heard it from Oliver Boliver Butt, who heard it from Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate