I don't remember Bush destroying local businesses with inane antitrust law "fixes" that raped consumers in perpetuity by enabling giant conglomerates to amass with foreign investment and take over the near entirety of America's business space. I also don't remember Bush forever consigning America to total demographic replacement by sub 80 IQ brown people by rewarding criminals with citizenship.
To prod at the mere tip of the shitberg that was Ronald Reagan's presidency. The only thing that saved him from charges of treason was his mental infirmity and cult of moronic followers.
Bush fricked over America in different but equally destructive ways. He did away with any remaining pretense of America being anything other than a domineering global empire, he refined the tools of repression and surveillance that are now being deployed against domestic dissent, he actively undermined financial regulation during the buildup to the Great Recession, and he doubled down on Reagan's immigration policies and tried to give amnesty to the illegals again.
One trend I'm noticing is that the more vocally right wing a president is, the more leftist bullshit he gets away with. Like Reagan letting browns in, or Nixon allying China, or Trump's reparations plan that he called the "Platinum Plan"
Likewise with the left. Clinton with NAFTA and scaling back welfare. Obama with expanding drone strikes and wars.
>anons have just discovered that US politics are purely tribalistic and the only thing that truly matters if whether you are blue or red.
If you are blue then blue voters will support you by default, so the most logical course of action is to pander to red voters. Same holds true for the opposite case.
Cases like Trump doubling down on the red voter base while alienating the blue voters are the exception, not the norm.
2 years ago
Anonymous
its really annoying, bill clinton passes a crime bill and guts welfare, regan legalizes a million spics. Its fricking annoying
90% of seething is just people whining about him working for the CIA and the Panama and Gulf wars despite them being very successful.
Wrong. It was Franklin Roosevelt.
People just seethe over him because they think he's a socialist because government aid somehow=socialism
It's Woodrow Wilson, and it's not even close. I have issues with Reagan, but he doesn't even crack the top 10 worst.
>NOO IT'S BAD BECAUSE HE THOUGHT INTERVENTIONISM WAS GOOD
Yes. You literally can't be a global power with being involved in the affairs of other nations not to mention Euros were doing the same thing before hand
The actual worst president was Jimmy Carter for being a cuck
Roosevelt's programs have been proven to have actually worsened the economy. It was the war that saved us, regardless of whatever delusional copes the left clings to.
>Roosevelt's programs have been proven to have actually worsened the economy
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I have no argument >I do have shitty wojaks that were last funny 10 years ago
peak moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>makes a blatantly false claim >expects argument
Many such cases
2 years ago
Anonymous
>blatantly false >2 seconds on Google lines up dozens of pages, articles, and books corroborating it
seems legit
https://fee.org/articles/fdrs-folly-how-roosevelt-and-his-new-deal-prolonged-the-great-depression/
peak
moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
>FEE's mission is to inspire, educate, and connect future leaders with the economic, ethical, and legal principles of a free society. >These principles include: individual liberty, free-market economics, entrepreneurship, private property, high moral character, and limited government.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You'd make a good slave!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>PLEAASSSEEE RULE ME
homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
You either rule yourself or are ruled by others, and lolberts don't give the impression that they have much self-control.
90% of seething is just people whining about him working for the CIA and the Panama and Gulf wars despite them being very successful.
[...]
People just seethe over him because they think he's a socialist because government aid somehow=socialism
[...] >NOO IT'S BAD BECAUSE HE THOUGHT INTERVENTIONISM WAS GOOD
Yes. You literally can't be a global power with being involved in the affairs of other nations not to mention Euros were doing the same thing before hand
The actual worst president was Jimmy Carter for being a cuck
>him working for the CIA and the Panama and Gulf wars >George W Bush
Anon…
You can't even define Liberal, you moronic piece of cattle.
Liberal (in the American sense): someone who supports a considerable degree of state intervention in the economy to expand opportunity and make society more equal
Roosevelt got cucked by SCOTUS and the american electorate after he tried packing the Court you moron. Johnson literally strong-armed his way through both houses of Congress and then used the political weight of those years to pass not one, not two, but the THREE most far-reaching civil rights bills in US history on top of every piece of legislation that completed Roosevelt’s and Truman’s legacies
More like FDR wished he could have done in 3 terms what Johnson did in 5 years
FDR is the antithesis of everything American conservatism stands for. It would be the equivalent of an American liberal praising Reagan. Is this really hard for you morons to understand?
Jeffersonian, strict Constitutionalism and minimal governmental action was what original American conservatism stood against, and that's essentially what the GOP became in the 1920s. Not to mention that you could make the argument that FDR was more socially conservative than his opponents and Harding/Coolidge/Hoover
2 years ago
Anonymous
>actually a conservative used to not be conservative
consider suicide
2 years ago
Anonymous
American conservatism wasn't founded on limited government, social progressivism and a strict adherence to the Constitution, sorry to say. That was classical Jeffersonian liberalism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he's pretending to not know conservatives are also liberals
consider suicide
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Federalists were originally in support of a more centralized government when that was working in the interests of business but conservatives became more skeptical of state interference in the economy as it was increasingly used to pass paternalistic social legislation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
FDR opposed Prohibition while the Republicans supported it. He also was the first President in decades to implement civil rights measures. He was not in any way more socially conservative than his opponents. You point out that Jeffersonian liberalism was originally opposed by American conservatives which is true but the shift towards limited government ideology is not a peculiar American development but rather part of a larger global trend in which right-wing parties have turned to classical liberalism to defend against the rise of social democracy and the welfare state.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>FDR opposed Prohibition while the Republicans supported it
Prohibition was generally supported by progressives of the era. Wilson was an exception (I don't know FDR's thoughts initially) but admittedly, it was widely unpopular when he repealed it. >He also was the first President in decades to implement civil rights measures
Sure, but he also resisted attempts to pass anti-lying bills, famously snubbed the black athlete, there are a few other examples. Harding meanwhile visited and called for an end to segregation and discrimination in the deep south, Coolidge tried passing anti-lynching bills and was blocked by southern democrarts and Hoover ran with the first non-white Vice President. >He was not in any way more socially conservative than his opponents
He definitely was more socially conservative than someone like Coolidge and Harding.
>he's pretending to not know conservatives are also liberals
consider suicide
He’ll never reply. The “muh suicide” homosexuals are the most insufferable little c**ts with daddy issues who hide behind their anonymity and then run like roaches when you call them out
2 years ago
Anonymous
So true.
He absolutely was not more socially conservative than those two lol. I count opposing Prohibition as a liberal cause but even without that his wife was bisexual and the only reason he didn't go further on civil rights was because of Southerners just like Harding/Coolidge (a few of whom opposed him anyway in 1944: the Texas regulars and Senator Cotton Ed of SC who actually endorsed Dewey).
[...]
If you actually think LBJ was more consequential than FDR you should be banned immediately LBJgay. You idolize a man who lost to rice farmers.
>I count opposing Prohibition as a liberal cause
Okay, but it wasn't. The prohibition movement was generally supported by progressives and was quite synonymous with suffragettes and other progressive movements. WJB, arguably the first national progressive politician, was one of prohibition's biggest supporters. >but even without that his wife was bisexual
Kek, you act like Franklin and Eleanor were a fairy tale couple or something. And her sexually reflects upon him. The only reason they stayed married was to raise their children and he was constantly fricking other women. Not to mention he got condemned as naval secretary for going out of his way to expose homosexuals. >and the only reason he didn't go further on civil rights was because of Southerners just like Harding/Coolidge
That explains why he didn't go further legislatively, but personally he was more prejudiced racially than both of them. And so far, at most, you have been only able to argue that he was about as socially progressive as Harding and Coolidge.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even if you don't regard Prohibition as a socially conservative cause I don't see how you could really make the argument that it was some conservative to oppose it. What's your basis for claiming that FDR was more racially prejudiced than Harding/Coolidge? His actions to impose equal employment practices during WW2 were the forerunners of contemporary civil rights legislation while GOP Presidents never did anything to interfere with hiring practices like that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Even if you don't regard Prohibition as a socially conservative cause
I don't because it wasn't. Conservatives weren't the ones cheerleading the movement by and large. >I don't see how you could really make the argument that it was some conservative to oppose it
Conservatives like Taft and Coolidge opposed it, but upheld it as legal precedent. Again, it was being spearheaded by progressives who thought alcohol was archaic and harmful to society. This doesn't mean all liberals were for it, I granted the Wilson wasn't, or that all conservatives opposed it, just that generally prohibition's supporters were the same social progressives pushing the societal change of the progressive era. And then after it was widely accepted as a failure, most people supported its repeal. >What's your basis for claiming that FDR was more racially prejudiced than Harding/Coolidge?
From what I've read, he was just generally more personally prejudiced than either of them. Not only about blacks, but about israeli people too. I gave you the famous story of him snubbing Jesse Owens. >His actions to impose equal employment practices during WW2 were the forerunners of contemporary civil rights legislation while GOP Presidents never did anything to interfere with hiring practices like that.
Sure, but had FDR not been there, it would have been Willkie, who literally ran on ending segregation in the armed forces and the government in general and opposed Japanese internment. Further, it's not as though the GOP presidents didn't care about Civil Rights, they just were obstructed from doing anything meaningful by the Democratic Congress. That is true of every GOP president from Hayes to Coolidge.
2 years ago
Anonymous
FDR appointed a israelite to the Supreme Court and had Morgenthau at Treasury. I don't how you're claiming that he has a prejudice against israelites. FDR was the first Democrat to win the black vote, they clearly thought he was acting in their economic and social interests.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>FDR appointed a israelite to the Supreme Court and had Morgenthau at Treasury
And Trump had Hispanic cabinet members, it doesn't mean that they didn't personally say or believe things prejudiced against those communities. >I don't how you're claiming that he has a prejudice against israelites
I'm not saying the guy was Hitler, but you can easily find his comments about he believing they should be spread out to not conglomerate power in areas or his refusal to bring in thousands of israeli refugees. >FDR was the first Democrat to win the black vote, they clearly thought he was acting in their economic and social interests.
Sure, but that was because of the depression, not because they largely viewed him or the Democratic party as the defender of black people. That wouldn't be until Johnson.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Democrats consistently won the black vote from 1936 on. Even Eisenhower in 1956 lost the black vote by double digits. While Johnson was the beginning of the current landslide margins, the alignment of progressive intellectuals and blacks into the Democratic Party was already well-established by FDR.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sure, I knew every race was relatively close (compared to now) post-FDR, proto-Johnson. But I think this vindicates my point about them voting for the dems because of their economic policies and not because they viewed them as the defender of blacks, as Stevenson ran to right of Eisenhower on Civil Rights.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not really. They were both fairly ambiguous. Eisenhower was the first Republican to win in hardcore segregationist territory (Smith in 1928 still swept Mississippi, South Carolina, and the most reactionary parts of Alabama). But some still stuck with the Democrats since Stevenson chose the segregationist Sparkman for VP in 1952. Stevenson would go on to choose the Southern liberal Kefauever in 1956 and many of the segregationists who backed Eisenhower in 1952 would switch to the unpledged electors in 1956.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He absolutely was not more socially conservative than those two lol. I count opposing Prohibition as a liberal cause but even without that his wife was bisexual and the only reason he didn't go further on civil rights was because of Southerners just like Harding/Coolidge (a few of whom opposed him anyway in 1944: the Texas regulars and Senator Cotton Ed of SC who actually endorsed Dewey).
Roosevelt got cucked by SCOTUS and the american electorate after he tried packing the Court you moron. Johnson literally strong-armed his way through both houses of Congress and then used the political weight of those years to pass not one, not two, but the THREE most far-reaching civil rights bills in US history on top of every piece of legislation that completed Roosevelt’s and Truman’s legacies
More like FDR wished he could have done in 3 terms what Johnson did in 5 years
If you actually think LBJ was more consequential than FDR you should be banned immediately LBJgay. You idolize a man who lost to rice farmers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>more consequential than FDR
Oh how quickly you change your tune >muh LBJgay
Buck. Fricking. Broken.
lmfao
2 years ago
Anonymous
LBJ wasn't more politically powerful either. Have fun thinking about what a masculine liberal you are while impotently posting from your phone.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>LBJ wasn't more politically powerful either.
And yet he absolutely was.
You think I care what a midwit arguing about “muh conservative vs. liberal” autism thinks? There’s no better sign of someone being a filtered moron than their attention still being on who’s “conservative” and who’s “liberal” >what a masculine liberal you are
I can tell you’re a closet case of a homosexual trying to hide the fact from his daddy by they way you type >while impotently posting from your phone.
LMFAO there is no weaker argument than “ph-ph-phoneposter!!” you homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol do you even have any actual beliefs? I don't see how shilling for 60s liberalism is compatible with your /misc/ memes. FDR wielded far more power during WW2 than LBJ could have ever hoped to attain. Now bask in the glory of my superior typing style.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>your /misc/ memes
Oh no, it’s moronic.
Hey Mac! I got another one for ya to ship out!
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the man I idolize and his Defense Secretary made terrible decisions
Wow you're so unique and quirky with this persona you've cultivated.
hey libtards
it will trickle down >40 years of reaganomics, America has stagnated, debt has skyrocketed, the top 10% has gotten richer while the common man gets half of what he used to. 30 trillion in debt while America's largest cities downtown look like somalia
Andrew Johnson. No competition.
Pop history says Woodrow Wilson because kkk movie. Andrew Johnson along with maybe Warren Harding because he just sucked
No he wasn’t. Lincoln acknowledged there was going to be discrimination in the South and Grant succeeded Johnson, who the 1876 election was conducted order, which had all kinds of voter suppression. That’s just how the south was. And as for reconstruction, the other issues in the 1876 election are what ended it, not AJ
oh god yeah
he invented this fake lib conservative BULLSHIT but I guess you can blame Thatcher too!. At least Nixon and Carter were honest in their stance for their affiliation rather than a cancerous LA actor
Reagan was based and I only ever see dumb zoomers say he was the worst and it’s for stupid meme reasons.
I never see anyone make any actual argument against him, they just point to stuff that happened after he was out of office and desperately try to claim it was actually his fault
>>they just point to stuff that happened after he was out of office >presidents can’t be held accountable for the consequences of their actions
Gigacope
>Bill Clinton does something moronic >”ugh this is actually Reagan’s fault! My biopoc queer Gen x professor told me so!”
Again, Reagan haters N E V E R can point to anything real to hate him for. Only shit that happened after he left office as they clumsily try to blame him for it.
>Pic
Because the party that went from having a platform twenty years ago that was basically the Republican one from today, to thinking people who want to cut their genitals off aren't mentally ill didn't change whatsoever!
regan was just a rino by todays standards, it was george bush jr who is probably the worst president in my life time. started an endless war and crashed the economy, besmirching the gop forever and letting a nig nog replace him. making it seem hopeless like a republican could never win again until trump came along
Even with John Brown's raid, Buchanon's moronic >actually it's illegal to succeed but we can't do anything about it
Policy needlessly allowed more states to rebel
2 years ago
Anonymous
>succeed
Can’t make this shit up >allowed more states to rebel
You do realize Virginia “succeeded” AFTER Lincoln called for troops, right? Had Buchanan, a life-long south-sympathizing Democrat done that the border states would have included Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri and probably more
Even with John Brown's raid, Buchanon's moronic >actually it's illegal to succeed but we can't do anything about it
Policy needlessly allowed more states to rebel
>succeed
Can’t make this shit up >allowed more states to rebel
You do realize Virginia “succeeded” AFTER Lincoln called for troops, right? Had Buchanan, a life-long south-sympathizing Democrat done that the border states would have included Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri and probably more
Lincoln was a tyrant and the 1860 election was illegal
>Lincoln was a tyrant
Because he suspended habeas corpus? Then Jeff Davis is also a tyrant. >and the 1860 election was illegal
True, but only because southern states kept Lincoln's name off their ballots.
I think Gerald Ford is up there too for the fuel shortage bs but I don't think was entirely his fault.
The energy crisis predated Ford, moron. He reduced both oil prices and inflation. They went back to being out of control under Carter.
Its LBJ for numerous reasons and the fact he was an unlikable butthole is just the tip of the iceberg. Woodrow Wilson is second and Reagan third. Dubya doesn't even crack the top 3
Do you guys have any actual reasons for throwing Reagan under the bus besides 'muh amnesty'? I mean if you're just concerned about being as racist as possible wouldn't Lincoln be worse then?
I trust don't understand the reasoning in this thread.
You mean besides committing treason with Iran and creating the unholy union of evengelicals and republicans to create Neo Cons? Do you really need more?
moron logic especially because non of the Reagan defenders apply that logic to any other president especially liberal ones.
>evangelicals >neocons
lol
Evangelicals are the core of Neo Cons you moronic polBlack person
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ah yes, those famous evangelical preachers with surnames like Wolfowitz and Podhoretz lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
Absolute moron, remember how Bush 2 sold Iraq Boogooloo as a religious war? Besides evangelicals love israelites
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Neoconservatism is a political movement that was born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and interventionism in international affairs, including peace through strength, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and political radicalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
Iran-Contra and just being a senile frick with a brain disease in general
Should have been Bush Sr. in 1980 but the GOP had clearly already sold itself out to the highest bidder after Nixon blew it with Watergate
The GOP wouldn’t have gone full, foaming-at-the-mouth moron like it did under/post-Reagan and become the purely reactionary shithole of a “party” it is today. Bush just getting the nomination, let alone winning, in 1980 would have saved the US entirely >no Iran-Contra >erases Vietnam syndrome a decade earlier >no tax cuts while blowing up the deficit >gives the country a sense of actual, honest to God patriotism instead of Reagan’s movie-magic horseshit >no deregulation >defuses the Cold War peacefully and with a second term defuses the fallout of the post-Soviet bloc ethnic tensions >no Clinton, no fricking Dubya >Democrats don’t sell out to a center-right windbag candidate like Clinton period because there’s no need to absorb Reaganism to win an election >singlehandedly revitalizes the nation and pulls it back from the edge of the moral crater that Nixon created with Watergate
VGH, what could have been…
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"President GlowBlack person would *never* get involved with something as sordid as Iran-Contra! He may have pardoned the major figures involved in 1992, and regularly attended meetings with Reagan on the Contra matter, but..."
2 years ago
Anonymous
>glowBlack person
Opinion discarded
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sorry, Reagan's VP that by most accounts knew about Iran-Contra but for some reason never told Reagan it was a fricking dumb idea that he'd be crucified for if word of it ever got out*
IQfy is seen as the home for the worst scum, so you end up with these racists that have not done anything good for themselves in their entire life so, they cling on to their race as the only validation they will ever receive.
I'm not as racist as I used to be, but it comes out every now and then. this place beats reddit when it comes to "unpopular opinions" and I'll take this place over that shithole anyday.
>succeed
Can’t make this shit up >allowed more states to rebel
You do realize Virginia “succeeded” AFTER Lincoln called for troops, right? Had Buchanan, a life-long south-sympathizing Democrat done that the border states would have included Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri and probably more
Explain why. Civil War was inevitable >inb4 because he “didn’t stop the secessionists”
See
>succeed
Can’t make this shit up >allowed more states to rebel
You do realize Virginia “succeeded” AFTER Lincoln called for troops, right? Had Buchanan, a life-long south-sympathizing Democrat done that the border states would have included Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri and probably more
The corruption of Harding's admin was laughably minor compared to a lot of what has gone on since. A sub-market price oil leasing scandal with bribes vs literally the entire country owned by the Israel lobby.
Pretty much any president after JFK can be considered the worst
“You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?
We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.
Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
~ John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon
>If we replace our proletarian class with service jobs and ship all the manufacturing jobs overseas then we'll never have to worry about a proletarian revolution. You can't have a peasant revolt if you have no peasants.
Nah that was actually you
no it was me
Cool digits but you ain't seen nothing yet. Just you wait until I get elected!
George W Bush
I don't remember Bush destroying local businesses with inane antitrust law "fixes" that raped consumers in perpetuity by enabling giant conglomerates to amass with foreign investment and take over the near entirety of America's business space. I also don't remember Bush forever consigning America to total demographic replacement by sub 80 IQ brown people by rewarding criminals with citizenship.
To prod at the mere tip of the shitberg that was Ronald Reagan's presidency. The only thing that saved him from charges of treason was his mental infirmity and cult of moronic followers.
>tfw Reagan is burning in hell right now
feels good man
Bush fricked over America in different but equally destructive ways. He did away with any remaining pretense of America being anything other than a domineering global empire, he refined the tools of repression and surveillance that are now being deployed against domestic dissent, he actively undermined financial regulation during the buildup to the Great Recession, and he doubled down on Reagan's immigration policies and tried to give amnesty to the illegals again.
keep coping and seething, all those were good things. Ottherwise you are an isolationist anarchist socialist racist.
One trend I'm noticing is that the more vocally right wing a president is, the more leftist bullshit he gets away with. Like Reagan letting browns in, or Nixon allying China, or Trump's reparations plan that he called the "Platinum Plan"
>working with China against the USSR
>leftist
Likewise with the left. Clinton with NAFTA and scaling back welfare. Obama with expanding drone strikes and wars.
>anons have just discovered that US politics are purely tribalistic and the only thing that truly matters if whether you are blue or red.
If you are blue then blue voters will support you by default, so the most logical course of action is to pander to red voters. Same holds true for the opposite case.
Cases like Trump doubling down on the red voter base while alienating the blue voters are the exception, not the norm.
its really annoying, bill clinton passes a crime bill and guts welfare, regan legalizes a million spics. Its fricking annoying
This has never happened
90% of seething is just people whining about him working for the CIA and the Panama and Gulf wars despite them being very successful.
People just seethe over him because they think he's a socialist because government aid somehow=socialism
>NOO IT'S BAD BECAUSE HE THOUGHT INTERVENTIONISM WAS GOOD
Yes. You literally can't be a global power with being involved in the affairs of other nations not to mention Euros were doing the same thing before hand
The actual worst president was Jimmy Carter for being a cuck
>muh interventionism
I'm not even mad about America's small involvement in WWI. Wilson was bad because he created the income tax.
It's Woodrow Wilson, and it's not even close. I have issues with Reagan, but he doesn't even crack the top 10 worst.
Wrong. It was Franklin Roosevelt.
Nope
Filtered
>no you cant jumpstart our economy and put us on top of the world stage that's socialism
Roosevelt's programs have been proven to have actually worsened the economy. It was the war that saved us, regardless of whatever delusional copes the left clings to.
>Roosevelt's programs have been proven to have actually worsened the economy
>I have no argument
>I do have shitty wojaks that were last funny 10 years ago
peak moron
>makes a blatantly false claim
>expects argument
Many such cases
>blatantly false
>2 seconds on Google lines up dozens of pages, articles, and books corroborating it
seems legit
https://fee.org/articles/fdrs-folly-how-roosevelt-and-his-new-deal-prolonged-the-great-depression/
peak
moron
>FEE's mission is to inspire, educate, and connect future leaders with the economic, ethical, and legal principles of a free society.
>These principles include: individual liberty, free-market economics, entrepreneurship, private property, high moral character, and limited government.
You'd make a good slave!
>PLEAASSSEEE RULE ME
homosexual
You either rule yourself or are ruled by others, and lolberts don't give the impression that they have much self-control.
Really amazing that even FDR said that Social Security would be having problems by 1980.
>unironically posting Amity Shlaes
kys looneytunetarian
Reagan truly created generation of mouth breathers holy shit.
cool argument
kek
>him working for the CIA and the Panama and Gulf wars
>George W Bush
Anon…
>George H. W. Bush
>George W. Bush
Ok my mistake
>keeps us in a depression through the entire 30s
>jumpstart our economy
this or lincoln
Conservative moron detected
This post unleashed a lot of NEET seething at the prospect of their precious welfare money going away.
Where's the lie?
>I'm a conservative but I support the most liberal President in American history
You do not deserve to exist.
>FDR
>most liberal
LBJ wishes he had the power FDR had.
Liberal (in the American sense): someone who supports a considerable degree of state intervention in the economy to expand opportunity and make society more equal
Roosevelt got cucked by SCOTUS and the american electorate after he tried packing the Court you moron. Johnson literally strong-armed his way through both houses of Congress and then used the political weight of those years to pass not one, not two, but the THREE most far-reaching civil rights bills in US history on top of every piece of legislation that completed Roosevelt’s and Truman’s legacies
More like FDR wished he could have done in 3 terms what Johnson did in 5 years
You can't even define Liberal, you moronic piece of cattle.
Can liberals not like John Adams or Eisenhower? Can conservatives not like Jackson or Jefferson? Sounds moronic.
FDR is the antithesis of everything American conservatism stands for. It would be the equivalent of an American liberal praising Reagan. Is this really hard for you morons to understand?
Jeffersonian, strict Constitutionalism and minimal governmental action was what original American conservatism stood against, and that's essentially what the GOP became in the 1920s. Not to mention that you could make the argument that FDR was more socially conservative than his opponents and Harding/Coolidge/Hoover
>actually a conservative used to not be conservative
consider suicide
American conservatism wasn't founded on limited government, social progressivism and a strict adherence to the Constitution, sorry to say. That was classical Jeffersonian liberalism.
>he's pretending to not know conservatives are also liberals
consider suicide
The Federalists were originally in support of a more centralized government when that was working in the interests of business but conservatives became more skeptical of state interference in the economy as it was increasingly used to pass paternalistic social legislation.
FDR opposed Prohibition while the Republicans supported it. He also was the first President in decades to implement civil rights measures. He was not in any way more socially conservative than his opponents. You point out that Jeffersonian liberalism was originally opposed by American conservatives which is true but the shift towards limited government ideology is not a peculiar American development but rather part of a larger global trend in which right-wing parties have turned to classical liberalism to defend against the rise of social democracy and the welfare state.
>FDR opposed Prohibition while the Republicans supported it
Prohibition was generally supported by progressives of the era. Wilson was an exception (I don't know FDR's thoughts initially) but admittedly, it was widely unpopular when he repealed it.
>He also was the first President in decades to implement civil rights measures
Sure, but he also resisted attempts to pass anti-lying bills, famously snubbed the black athlete, there are a few other examples. Harding meanwhile visited and called for an end to segregation and discrimination in the deep south, Coolidge tried passing anti-lynching bills and was blocked by southern democrarts and Hoover ran with the first non-white Vice President.
>He was not in any way more socially conservative than his opponents
He definitely was more socially conservative than someone like Coolidge and Harding.
Okay, moron.
>says moronic shit
>calls others moronic
consider suicide
What did I say that was moronic?
He’ll never reply. The “muh suicide” homosexuals are the most insufferable little c**ts with daddy issues who hide behind their anonymity and then run like roaches when you call them out
So true.
>I count opposing Prohibition as a liberal cause
Okay, but it wasn't. The prohibition movement was generally supported by progressives and was quite synonymous with suffragettes and other progressive movements. WJB, arguably the first national progressive politician, was one of prohibition's biggest supporters.
>but even without that his wife was bisexual
Kek, you act like Franklin and Eleanor were a fairy tale couple or something. And her sexually reflects upon him. The only reason they stayed married was to raise their children and he was constantly fricking other women. Not to mention he got condemned as naval secretary for going out of his way to expose homosexuals.
>and the only reason he didn't go further on civil rights was because of Southerners just like Harding/Coolidge
That explains why he didn't go further legislatively, but personally he was more prejudiced racially than both of them. And so far, at most, you have been only able to argue that he was about as socially progressive as Harding and Coolidge.
Even if you don't regard Prohibition as a socially conservative cause I don't see how you could really make the argument that it was some conservative to oppose it. What's your basis for claiming that FDR was more racially prejudiced than Harding/Coolidge? His actions to impose equal employment practices during WW2 were the forerunners of contemporary civil rights legislation while GOP Presidents never did anything to interfere with hiring practices like that.
>Even if you don't regard Prohibition as a socially conservative cause
I don't because it wasn't. Conservatives weren't the ones cheerleading the movement by and large.
>I don't see how you could really make the argument that it was some conservative to oppose it
Conservatives like Taft and Coolidge opposed it, but upheld it as legal precedent. Again, it was being spearheaded by progressives who thought alcohol was archaic and harmful to society. This doesn't mean all liberals were for it, I granted the Wilson wasn't, or that all conservatives opposed it, just that generally prohibition's supporters were the same social progressives pushing the societal change of the progressive era. And then after it was widely accepted as a failure, most people supported its repeal.
>What's your basis for claiming that FDR was more racially prejudiced than Harding/Coolidge?
From what I've read, he was just generally more personally prejudiced than either of them. Not only about blacks, but about israeli people too. I gave you the famous story of him snubbing Jesse Owens.
>His actions to impose equal employment practices during WW2 were the forerunners of contemporary civil rights legislation while GOP Presidents never did anything to interfere with hiring practices like that.
Sure, but had FDR not been there, it would have been Willkie, who literally ran on ending segregation in the armed forces and the government in general and opposed Japanese internment. Further, it's not as though the GOP presidents didn't care about Civil Rights, they just were obstructed from doing anything meaningful by the Democratic Congress. That is true of every GOP president from Hayes to Coolidge.
FDR appointed a israelite to the Supreme Court and had Morgenthau at Treasury. I don't how you're claiming that he has a prejudice against israelites. FDR was the first Democrat to win the black vote, they clearly thought he was acting in their economic and social interests.
>FDR appointed a israelite to the Supreme Court and had Morgenthau at Treasury
And Trump had Hispanic cabinet members, it doesn't mean that they didn't personally say or believe things prejudiced against those communities.
>I don't how you're claiming that he has a prejudice against israelites
I'm not saying the guy was Hitler, but you can easily find his comments about he believing they should be spread out to not conglomerate power in areas or his refusal to bring in thousands of israeli refugees.
>FDR was the first Democrat to win the black vote, they clearly thought he was acting in their economic and social interests.
Sure, but that was because of the depression, not because they largely viewed him or the Democratic party as the defender of black people. That wouldn't be until Johnson.
The Democrats consistently won the black vote from 1936 on. Even Eisenhower in 1956 lost the black vote by double digits. While Johnson was the beginning of the current landslide margins, the alignment of progressive intellectuals and blacks into the Democratic Party was already well-established by FDR.
Sure, I knew every race was relatively close (compared to now) post-FDR, proto-Johnson. But I think this vindicates my point about them voting for the dems because of their economic policies and not because they viewed them as the defender of blacks, as Stevenson ran to right of Eisenhower on Civil Rights.
Not really. They were both fairly ambiguous. Eisenhower was the first Republican to win in hardcore segregationist territory (Smith in 1928 still swept Mississippi, South Carolina, and the most reactionary parts of Alabama). But some still stuck with the Democrats since Stevenson chose the segregationist Sparkman for VP in 1952. Stevenson would go on to choose the Southern liberal Kefauever in 1956 and many of the segregationists who backed Eisenhower in 1952 would switch to the unpledged electors in 1956.
He absolutely was not more socially conservative than those two lol. I count opposing Prohibition as a liberal cause but even without that his wife was bisexual and the only reason he didn't go further on civil rights was because of Southerners just like Harding/Coolidge (a few of whom opposed him anyway in 1944: the Texas regulars and Senator Cotton Ed of SC who actually endorsed Dewey).
If you actually think LBJ was more consequential than FDR you should be banned immediately LBJgay. You idolize a man who lost to rice farmers.
>more consequential than FDR
Oh how quickly you change your tune
>muh LBJgay
Buck. Fricking. Broken.
lmfao
LBJ wasn't more politically powerful either. Have fun thinking about what a masculine liberal you are while impotently posting from your phone.
>LBJ wasn't more politically powerful either.
And yet he absolutely was.
You think I care what a midwit arguing about “muh conservative vs. liberal” autism thinks? There’s no better sign of someone being a filtered moron than their attention still being on who’s “conservative” and who’s “liberal”
>what a masculine liberal you are
I can tell you’re a closet case of a homosexual trying to hide the fact from his daddy by they way you type
>while impotently posting from your phone.
LMFAO there is no weaker argument than “ph-ph-phoneposter!!” you homosexual
Lol do you even have any actual beliefs? I don't see how shilling for 60s liberalism is compatible with your /misc/ memes. FDR wielded far more power during WW2 than LBJ could have ever hoped to attain. Now bask in the glory of my superior typing style.
>your /misc/ memes
Oh no, it’s moronic.
Hey Mac! I got another one for ya to ship out!
>the man I idolize and his Defense Secretary made terrible decisions
Wow you're so unique and quirky with this persona you've cultivated.
>You idolize a man who lost to rice farmers.
lol
FDR gave the American people a little bit of socialism so that they wouldn't ask for a lot.
t.leftist
He was really shit but Buchanan is the undisputed worst president
hey libtards
it will trickle down
>40 years of reaganomics, America has stagnated, debt has skyrocketed, the top 10% has gotten richer while the common man gets half of what he used to. 30 trillion in debt while America's largest cities downtown look like somalia
Andrew Johnson. No competition.
Pop history says Woodrow Wilson because kkk movie. Andrew Johnson along with maybe Warren Harding because he just sucked
>Andrew Johnson
Frick off Eric Foner
>Andrew Johnson was bad because he was le racist meanie
A. Johnson probably doesn't even make the list for top 10 worst.
Johnson is directly responsible for the failure of Reconstruction and the institution of Jim Crow in the South.
No he wasn’t. Lincoln acknowledged there was going to be discrimination in the South and Grant succeeded Johnson, who the 1876 election was conducted order, which had all kinds of voter suppression. That’s just how the south was. And as for reconstruction, the other issues in the 1876 election are what ended it, not AJ
FDR for extending the depression for another decade at least.
oh god yeah
he invented this fake lib conservative BULLSHIT but I guess you can blame Thatcher too!. At least Nixon and Carter were honest in their stance for their affiliation rather than a cancerous LA actor
Reagan was based and I only ever see dumb zoomers say he was the worst and it’s for stupid meme reasons.
I never see anyone make any actual argument against him, they just point to stuff that happened after he was out of office and desperately try to claim it was actually his fault
Illegal Mexican hands typed this post.
This
>>they just point to stuff that happened after he was out of office
>presidents can’t be held accountable for the consequences of their actions
Gigacope
>Bill Clinton does something moronic
>”ugh this is actually Reagan’s fault! My biopoc queer Gen x professor told me so!”
Again, Reagan haters N E V E R can point to anything real to hate him for. Only shit that happened after he left office as they clumsily try to blame him for it.
Reagan saved the middle class from extinction.
>My biopoc queer Gen x professor told me so!”
Have you tried not going on reddit?
>it’s for stupid meme reasons.
Only a brown beaner Hispanic would consider millions of subhumans flooding the country, "meme reasons".
Which makes sense, since less than half of Americans are white.
Seething
>Subhuman
Go back to /misc/ you dickless white supremacist lmao
Reagan was a degenerate narco-terrorist criminal who sold out the American homeland to the bankers.
based Gipper understood that mutts couldn't be trusted with machine guns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act
The hilarious thing about the right's worship of Reagan is that he would absolutely be considered a RINO in today's GOP
>Pic
Because the party that went from having a platform twenty years ago that was basically the Republican one from today, to thinking people who want to cut their genitals off aren't mentally ill didn't change whatsoever!
>trannies are the only political issue that exists
lmao
>this image
Lol just lol. Democrats are dumb
it has yet to be debooonked
Facts
>DW-NOMINATE
Measures party consensus primarily, not ideology.
>I'm a conservative and think FDR's the best.
Doesn't surprise me at all, conservatives being authoritarians just like FDR.
Cope and seethe
He made my grandpa a permanent resident, he is based. Reagan is always gonna be /myguy/
t. chito papadamas
regan was just a rino by todays standards, it was george bush jr who is probably the worst president in my life time. started an endless war and crashed the economy, besmirching the gop forever and letting a nig nog replace him. making it seem hopeless like a republican could never win again until trump came along
republicans are so fricking stupid it's hilarious. i'm not even mad anymore, it's legitimate entertainment.
kek
fricking this
samegay
Get fricked
And did nothing wrong. Civil War was inevitable, especially after John “the BVLL” Brown’s raid
Even with John Brown's raid, Buchanon's moronic
>actually it's illegal to succeed but we can't do anything about it
Policy needlessly allowed more states to rebel
>succeed
Can’t make this shit up
>allowed more states to rebel
You do realize Virginia “succeeded” AFTER Lincoln called for troops, right? Had Buchanan, a life-long south-sympathizing Democrat done that the border states would have included Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri and probably more
Buchanan exists
Lincoln was a tyrant and the 1860 election was illegal
>Lincoln was a tyrant
Because he suspended habeas corpus? Then Jeff Davis is also a tyrant.
>and the 1860 election was illegal
True, but only because southern states kept Lincoln's name off their ballots.
The energy crisis predated Ford, moron. He reduced both oil prices and inflation. They went back to being out of control under Carter.
Its LBJ for numerous reasons and the fact he was an unlikable butthole is just the tip of the iceberg. Woodrow Wilson is second and Reagan third. Dubya doesn't even crack the top 3
>an unlikable butthole who got Congress to actually properly function as a branch of the government for the first time since it was created
ftfy
I think Gerald Ford is up there too for the fuel shortage bs but I don't think was entirely his fault.
Do you guys have any actual reasons for throwing Reagan under the bus besides 'muh amnesty'? I mean if you're just concerned about being as racist as possible wouldn't Lincoln be worse then?
I trust don't understand the reasoning in this thread.
You mean besides committing treason with Iran and creating the unholy union of evengelicals and republicans to create Neo Cons? Do you really need more?
Well when all these basement dwellers do is screech about nonwhites, you forget actual history
Reagan might have been in the chair at the time but that doesn't mean he did it.
odds are you're talking to a groid, they have no higher function
moron logic especially because non of the Reagan defenders apply that logic to any other president especially liberal ones.
Evangelicals are the core of Neo Cons you moronic polBlack person
Ah yes, those famous evangelical preachers with surnames like Wolfowitz and Podhoretz lol
Absolute moron, remember how Bush 2 sold Iraq Boogooloo as a religious war? Besides evangelicals love israelites
>Neoconservatism is a political movement that was born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and interventionism in international affairs, including peace through strength, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and political radicalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
>evangelicals
>neocons
lol
They're too scared about hating blacks, so they think Hispanics will be acceptable fair gain, /misc/tards need to be /misc/tards
Iran-Contra and just being a senile frick with a brain disease in general
Should have been Bush Sr. in 1980 but the GOP had clearly already sold itself out to the highest bidder after Nixon blew it with Watergate
How different would George H. W. Bush being elected president in 1980 have been? Did he and Reagan have serious disagreements?
The GOP wouldn’t have gone full, foaming-at-the-mouth moron like it did under/post-Reagan and become the purely reactionary shithole of a “party” it is today. Bush just getting the nomination, let alone winning, in 1980 would have saved the US entirely
>no Iran-Contra
>erases Vietnam syndrome a decade earlier
>no tax cuts while blowing up the deficit
>gives the country a sense of actual, honest to God patriotism instead of Reagan’s movie-magic horseshit
>no deregulation
>defuses the Cold War peacefully and with a second term defuses the fallout of the post-Soviet bloc ethnic tensions
>no Clinton, no fricking Dubya
>Democrats don’t sell out to a center-right windbag candidate like Clinton period because there’s no need to absorb Reaganism to win an election
>singlehandedly revitalizes the nation and pulls it back from the edge of the moral crater that Nixon created with Watergate
VGH, what could have been…
>"President GlowBlack person would *never* get involved with something as sordid as Iran-Contra! He may have pardoned the major figures involved in 1992, and regularly attended meetings with Reagan on the Contra matter, but..."
>glowBlack person
Opinion discarded
Sorry, Reagan's VP that by most accounts knew about Iran-Contra but for some reason never told Reagan it was a fricking dumb idea that he'd be crucified for if word of it ever got out*
it's shitposters every time, these guys have been here for years saying the same shit like robots. Kind of sad really
IQfy is seen as the home for the worst scum, so you end up with these racists that have not done anything good for themselves in their entire life so, they cling on to their race as the only validation they will ever receive.
Yeah the Reagan shitposters are probably racist shitskins, you're right
I'm not as racist as I used to be, but it comes out every now and then. this place beats reddit when it comes to "unpopular opinions" and I'll take this place over that shithole anyday.
He liked gun control.
Any answer other than pic related is wrong.
√
homosexual president
See
Buchanan is the ultimate filter
You're a lying inbred Klansman if you say it was anyone other than James Buchanan
Explain why. Civil War was inevitable
>inb4 because he “didn’t stop the secessionists”
See
Harding makes a good case considering his admistration was filled to the brim with corruption
literally who
that was a good thing though. try again.
And Grant's wasn't?
The corruption of Harding's admin was laughably minor compared to a lot of what has gone on since. A sub-market price oil leasing scandal with bribes vs literally the entire country owned by the Israel lobby.
Pretty much any president after JFK can be considered the worst
“You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?
We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.
Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
~ John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon
FDReagan
Reagan = conservative Fabian
The legislative branch is the one making changes, the executive can't do shit.
True
https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2019/4/8/18300921/american-presidency-powers-in-context
>If we replace our proletarian class with service jobs and ship all the manufacturing jobs overseas then we'll never have to worry about a proletarian revolution. You can't have a peasant revolt if you have no peasants.
Was it a brilliant move on his part?
Considering the American middle class is basically gone at this point and we have record rates of poverty...I'm going to go with no.
>he thinks poor people and working class are the same thing
>refuses to define anything
>moves the goal posts anyway
woah
so this is the power of marxism
Being "poor" in america is being richer than anywhere on the planet including europe so
the oldest and most delusional cope in the book
almost all of America lives paycheck to paycheck
on top of this huge swathes of the American population make minimum wage in degrading dead end jobs
Europeans might have higher tax rates but they don't work as much and have a much higher quality of life in general
t. actually lived in both
Reagan didn't ship any manufacturing jobs overseas, that was Clinton.
thanks for gutting mental healthcare in the country you fricking boomer
>"If I learned one thing from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, it's that America needs *more* insane asylums, not less"
I don't remember anything he did