My favorite part of using Wayland is the daily humiliation ritual when I accidentally move the mouse while the CPU is doing stuff and apps start crashing.
>Siiiir, do not redeem on main thread!
No matter what the programmer does, there will be times that the thread gets blocked anyway. Getting cucked by the scheduler, swap, etc.
Stop dogmatically defending bad design.
>This thing is new so it must have saved Linux
When it can do what X can without a bunch of issues then you'll be correct. Right now the Wayland crowd is just nagging people to ignore all the issues it has and just accept an inferior product, because of some imagined security issues.
it really is a shame that linux has been held hostage by people who have never had a good idea in their lives, yet are highly opinionated and keen for their crap to become standard and essentially mandatory
>MUH SECURITY >NOOOO, MALWARE RUNNING AS MY USER THAT CAN READ AND EDIT ALL MY FILES AND PTRACE MY COMPOSITOR TO DO WATEVER IT WANTS WITH IT CAN SNOOP ON MY KEYPRESSES ON X11, THIS IS AN UNACCEPTABLE SECURITY PROBLEMORINO.
My face when Wikipedia, with all of 5 sources, all random blogs calls this an “essential security feature”.
>Wayland advocates when they figure out that I am not running x on a server, but on my desktop computer that doesn't have any form of remote computing configured
People have, before Wayland even started Firejail could already sandbox X11.
https://firejail.wordpress.com/documentation-2/x11-guide/
I remember debating a lot of the devs about security in 2010 or something. They were either moronic, disingenuous, or a healthy mix of both with how their arguments worked but it's clear they neither understood nor were interested in security and why would they? These are the same people that support security disasters such as polkit.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>polkit
Damn, I almost forgot about this dogshit.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Also: >W... with logind, you no loner have to run Xorg as setgid input, this improves security >Logind literally has 20 times more C.V.E.'s in in the last 10 years than Xorg.
Now you just have to run Logind as root, great improvement.
These Freedesktop wankers never cared about “security”. Everyone told them for a long time that their design philosophies are highly insecure.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Exactly. Also they want to use dbus for everything. I still haven't figured out what dbus is good for. I use it for desktop notifications, and to replace firefox'/gtk's file open dialog, but both of these use cases have much better solutions.
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Anonymous
It's a “standardized IPC” that's simply too overengineerd for extremely basic tasks.
Also it has no officially supported way as far as I can tell for attaching to a session. Of course it's super easy to hack it by SSH-in in and simply setting the environment variable but officially this is a hack and not stable.
So there's no officially supported way to SSH in and communicate over DBus because Freedesktop didn't consider that possibility or something and most of their users never heard of SSH.
Almost all of the issues that were the reason for wayland being created have since been fixed in X. Meanwhile waylands issues are unfixable and lead to lack of standards. It really is othing more than microsoft and gnome morons trying to frick up the linux desktop.
>doesn't play nice with the company that makes over 80% of desktop GPUs
Literally who approved this?!? This is the most moronic decision I've seen in a while. Linux was just starting to get real traction and I'm worried Wayland is going to turn it into a meme again.
The mouse thing is definitely real. If your app is loading something just jiggle your mouse over the window and it should crash. I've had it in Firefox and Nicotine+. The original bug report is 3 years old now... Wayland is NOT production ready software
I FRICKING LOVE LATENCY
My favorite part of using Wayland is the daily humiliation ritual when I accidentally move the mouse while the CPU is doing stuff and apps start crashing.
No matter how hard you try, pleb, humiliation fitual will never be a meme on IQfy. So, in short, I hope you die.
Wayland is filtering shitty devs. If the main thread of your app locks during its work then it's a shitty app.
>putting antitank mines on highways filters shitty drivers
>Siiiir, do not redeem on main thread!
No matter what the programmer does, there will be times that the thread gets blocked anyway. Getting cucked by the scheduler, swap, etc.
Stop dogmatically defending bad design.
Wayland is one of the biggest mistakes in FOSS of the last 20 years
>This thing is new so it must have saved Linux
When it can do what X can without a bunch of issues then you'll be correct. Right now the Wayland crowd is just nagging people to ignore all the issues it has and just accept an inferior product, because of some imagined security issues.
>Wayland
>""""new""""
16 years old and still not ready
And it still has fundamental bugs:
>move high DPI mouse
>kills clients because the event queue is full
it really is a shame that linux has been held hostage by people who have never had a good idea in their lives, yet are highly opinionated and keen for their crap to become standard and essentially mandatory
comedy gold
>MUH SECURITY
>NOOOO, MALWARE RUNNING AS MY USER THAT CAN READ AND EDIT ALL MY FILES AND PTRACE MY COMPOSITOR TO DO WATEVER IT WANTS WITH IT CAN SNOOP ON MY KEYPRESSES ON X11, THIS IS AN UNACCEPTABLE SECURITY PROBLEMORINO.
My face when Wikipedia, with all of 5 sources, all random blogs calls this an “essential security feature”.
>Wayland advocates when they figure out that I am not running x on a server, but on my desktop computer that doesn't have any form of remote computing configured
The security argument is so disingenuous. Even if it's about sandboxing things, you could do similar things with X11 if you really wanted.
People have, before Wayland even started Firejail could already sandbox X11.
https://firejail.wordpress.com/documentation-2/x11-guide/
I remember debating a lot of the devs about security in 2010 or something. They were either moronic, disingenuous, or a healthy mix of both with how their arguments worked but it's clear they neither understood nor were interested in security and why would they? These are the same people that support security disasters such as polkit.
>polkit
Damn, I almost forgot about this dogshit.
Also:
>W... with logind, you no loner have to run Xorg as setgid input, this improves security
>Logind literally has 20 times more C.V.E.'s in in the last 10 years than Xorg.
Now you just have to run Logind as root, great improvement.
These Freedesktop wankers never cared about “security”. Everyone told them for a long time that their design philosophies are highly insecure.
Exactly. Also they want to use dbus for everything. I still haven't figured out what dbus is good for. I use it for desktop notifications, and to replace firefox'/gtk's file open dialog, but both of these use cases have much better solutions.
It's a “standardized IPC” that's simply too overengineerd for extremely basic tasks.
Also it has no officially supported way as far as I can tell for attaching to a session. Of course it's super easy to hack it by SSH-in in and simply setting the environment variable but officially this is a hack and not stable.
So there's no officially supported way to SSH in and communicate over DBus because Freedesktop didn't consider that possibility or something and most of their users never heard of SSH.
>meanwhile this absolute chad does the same thing but for audio and just werks
Better luck next time lintroons.
>comparing Wayland to Pipewire
Wayland is more of a pulseaudio tbhonk.
>tried pipewire sound server
>external sound card was not working but it does with pulse
>uninstalled pipewire sound server
>modernizes the desktop by making it into a phone os
gayMEN like this.
>xorg
werks
>wayland
doesn't werk
ill use it when it works with no major issues
Is it even worth changing to from X11 then.
I'll use it when it has actual advantages over X11.
Almost all of the issues that were the reason for wayland being created have since been fixed in X. Meanwhile waylands issues are unfixable and lead to lack of standards. It really is othing more than microsoft and gnome morons trying to frick up the linux desktop.
Is there any good alternative? im using X11 and it sucks, cause when i use wayland with plasma 6 it's just a black screen
Install Windows 10.
>move mouse
>application crashes
>doesn't play nice with the company that makes over 80% of desktop GPUs
Literally who approved this?!? This is the most moronic decision I've seen in a while. Linux was just starting to get real traction and I'm worried Wayland is going to turn it into a meme again.
>Who profits off Linux being garbage?
Red hat, Microsoft.
I must be using it wrong, because it's fine on my end, how do I make it crash all the time so I can join your guys' club?
>Buy a decent mouse (you won't you're poor)
>Move it really fast
The mouse thing is definitely real. If your app is loading something just jiggle your mouse over the window and it should crash. I've had it in Firefox and Nicotine+. The original bug report is 3 years old now... Wayland is NOT production ready software
x11 forwarding just werks and is nice when ssh'ing. I'm not going to bother figuring out some other hack when "ssh -x" works everywhere
>hourly updooter cope thread