It’s so fricking over
>The rise of AI-powered chatbots is wreaking havoc on the literary world. Sci-fi publication Clarkesworld Magazine is temporarily suspending short story submissions, citing a surge in people using AI chatbots to “plagiarize” their writing.
>The magazine announced the suspension days after Clarkesworld editor Neil Clarke warned about AI-written works posing a threat to the entire short-story ecosystem.
>At the end of last year, the sci-fi publication encountered a rise in plagiarism as AI-powered chatbots gained the public’s attention, Clarke wrote in a blog post. Since then, Clarkesworld has seen a massive spike in short story submissions, but much of the writing appears to come from humans relying on AI tools to pump out the text.
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>In his post, Clark declined to specify how he detected the AI-generated writing, saying he had “no intention of helping those people become less likely to be caught.” Nevertheless, he said the alleged AI-based works show “some very obvious patterns.”
>“What I can say is that the number of spam submissions resulting in bans has hit 38% this month,” he said. “While rejecting and banning these submissions has been simple, it’s growing at a rate that will necessitate changes. To make matters worse, the technology is only going to get better, so detection will become more challenging.”
>Hence, the AI-generated writing threatens to hinder legitimate human-written works from reaching the prestigious sci-fi publication. Currently, Clarkesworld has a policy against any “stories written, co-written, or assisted by AI at this time.”
>AI-generated writing is likely flooding the magazine because it pays 12 cents a word for each short story accepted. “From what I can tell, it's not about credibility. It's about the possibility of making a quick buck. That's all they care about,” Clarke wrote in a tweet.
>Although the magazine could tap software to detect the AI-generated writing, those tools can be costly and produce false positives. “It’s clear that business as usual won’t be sustainable, and I worry that this path will lead to an increased number of barriers for new and international authors. Short fiction needs these people,” Clarke said.
>In a bit of irony, the magazine saw another spike in sci-fi short story submissions after Clarke wrote his post. The publication has now banned over 500 users for plagiarism for this month, up from 350 about a week ago. As a result, the magazine temporarily halted short-story submissions.
>“If the field can’t find a way to address this situation, things will begin to break,” Clarke added. “Response times will get worse and I don’t even want to think about what will happen to my colleagues that offer feedback on submissions. No, it’s not the death of short fiction (please just stop that nonsense), but it is going to complicate things.”
Can’t even blame them for trying. 12 cents a word if they get published. And it takes literally zero effort or work to do.
Part of me is very sad human creativity is under threat. It’s already hard to get published as a nobody. Now you have to compete with a million AI generated stories that are algorithm perfected to be good.
On the other hand it’s fascinating. The prospect we will soon be in a world where you could think to yourself
>hmmm, I have a cool idea for a story
>input basic elements into AI generator
>have it write you a fricking novel
>read it for your own pleasure, not even knowing how your own story ends
>publish it if you want. Unless new laws are made to stop this somehow. Otherwise… the literature industry may well be under threat
>soon it would be cheaper to just read the stories you generate yourself based on concepts you like the sound of but don’t want to pay to read
Only thing that would keep people buying and reading others works is the sense of community. Where you can then discuss it with others… but society is pretty fricking atomised already
I see a lot of people hailing it as a means of democratising art when it will almost certainly end it as a social and financial enterprise, if the technology progresses to the level many are predicting. Why would anyone read anyone elses short story or novel when they can have their own generated for them? The only way art survives is through a reactionary arts and crafts like movement which prioritizes human creation. But how could human creativity even be verified? Things are looking bleak.
What the frick does democratising art even mean?
The irony is if this goes to its natural conclusion. Art will go the same way social media has warped perceptions
>people live in social bubbles where they never have to see or interact with people they disagree with thanks to social media filtering them out for you and only showing people you agree with
>now you can just read fiction you agree with, based on parameters you define. Soon followed by AI generated movies too. Never need to feel challenged on whatever politics you have because a character is racist or gay or a stereotype etc
>have it write you a fricking novel
BACK TO R*DDIT
>Now you have to compete with a million AI generated stories that are algorithm perfected to be good.
algorithm perfected to be "good enough"
If it’s any consolation, AI generated novels are the very least of the man-made horrors science will give you in the coming centuries.
lmao
Science will give us a climate apocalypse within 30 years
>a threat to the entire short-story ecosystem
just be good enough that you don't need to rely on others to prop you up and this isn't an issue. Or do you mean to say that you can't even outwrite a machine trained on reddit posts
Who cares if you can outwrite the bots if they're the haystack to your needle?
There's no such thing as a brilliant writer who starves to death. Now close IQfy and give me 1000 words pronto
> no such thing as a brilliant writer who starves to death
There are countless brilliant writers who died penniless. Stupid americanitis talking like people get what they deserve.
It's how they cope with living off the resources of the rest of the world.
i think hes saying that while they were broke, they wrote to eat
or something
still dumb though i guess
moronic moron with big moronic ears
>dude, just write a short story that’s so good it floats out of the stack of 500 stories also submitted next to it
You know the whole “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” thing never made sense to me. If you could do that you’d be able to fly.
>just be good
This isn't about the authors anon, it's about the publishers.
Oh no, editors and agents will have to do their fricking jobs now!?
You are a cretin.
being complacent about AI spam is the equivalent of being complacent about homeless people shitting in your office.
editors and publishers are scum but lazy AI redditors generating a mountain of literary equivalents of funko pop fanfics, just to get a quick buck on Amazon are even scummier.
Genre fiction discovering they're mechanical.
I discovered Genre Fiction was mechanical by reading 2nd tier magazines versus PKD collected. PKD was only more interesting in some poetic ideas. But the general standard of ideas was quite high if a bit male. Lesbians seemed to like PKD because he was transsexual. You could have saved him.
The virgin "Uses AI to try and make money submitting the stories to a magazine" vs the Chad "Uses AI to make the stories he wants to read and never has to pay for media again".
checked
not the hecking sci-fi short story ecosystem
making money off AI slop is infinitely better than consuming AI slop
AI should only ever be used for erotic literature and nothing else.
Just write better
why is this news?
>made nearly $2,000
>[each work] takes roughly six to eight hours to complete
so he made $3/hr for ~680 hours lol
680 hours in context is 3.5 months at a M-F 9 - 5 job
More worthy of being a news story than most shit
Yeah I was going to point that out too. Cheap to produce, cheap to sell.
Also superhuman effort for 2-5k words, assuming per day is about par for most authors.
THE QUATRIA CONSPIRACY
>As you may know already, Quatria has been the subject of a massive global cover-up going back thousands of years. So how did we come to learn about this fascinating civilization? To answer that question requires telling a tale of some historic importance, which we shall herein proceed to undertake.
>In 1916, a German U-boat sank a merchant marine ship flying Allied colors off the coast of Antarctica, somewhere between Elephant Island and Deception Island in the South Shetland Archipelago. It was believed that all souls aboard the ship had been lost, along with its cargo of food and medical supplies bound for the Western front. That is, until a lone survivor was recovered some two years later in 1918 on an unnamed tidal island just off the north-west coast of the Antarctic Peninsula.
>The survivor identified himself as Edward Allen Oxford, a British Imperial citizen. Despite two years having passed, he claimed to have been marooned for no more than six weeks on a nearby larger island which he insisted was warm and tropical, with abundant vegetation and wildlife. Since the island on which he was discovered was a tidal island, it was not understood how he had survived for such a long time. Regardless, as no such island was known to exist that far south, and there was a significant discrepancy of time between his accounting and reality, he was decreed mad by Imperial authorities, and was sent to a convalescence facility in Nova Scotia to recover.
>At that facility, he met and fell in love with one Mildred Constance Landsmire, a so-called “bluebird” or Nursing Sister with the Canadian Army Medical Corps. He was released after 18 months, and the two married and moved westward to live near a cousin of Oxford’s who ran a small dairy farm in the province of Quebec’s Eastern Townships. Oxford aided his cousin with farm chores, but did not have a knack for agriculture, and took up odd jobs in the region, including as a lumberjack. This caused him to be away from his beloved Mildred for weeks and sometimes months at a time, a lifestyle with which he had been well-acquainted as a merchant marine.
It just goes on like this.
The Return of the Magicians
>In the mythology of the ancient Quatrian civilization (which is now known to have inhabited prehistoric Antarctica), there existed an underground otherworld known as the Hypogeum. It was a place of magic and mystery, inhabited by strange and powerful entities. For a time, there was free passage between the mortal world and the Hypogeum, and magic flowed freely into the world above. At the end of the last age, however, the magicians withdrew into the Hypogeum, taking the magic with them. According to Quatrian prophecy, there would come a time when the magicians would return from the underworld, heralding the return of magic to the mortal world. The magicians were said to emerge from deep caverns, dancing and singing as they came. They would form marvelous parades, beating drums and playing flutes as they issued forth from the Hypogeum in bright and fanciful costumes. In the ancient Quatrian tongue, the word for “magician” and “musician” were one and the same. Their return from the underworld would bring wonders and change to the mortal world.
It just goes on like this.
I'm not worried about AI. The people using this shit have no idea what good prose is.
>I'm not worried about AI. The people using this shit have no idea what good prose is.
Such a naive view. Nobody knows where all of this is headed and what kind of qualitative jumps and emergent abilities are about to appear in the coming months.
the day AI can actually replicate Edgar Allen Poe's voice and style of prose and tell a coherent story is the day I will concede AI can write. Will that be this year? Next year? I don't know. But even when that day comes I still wont be worried, because AI will never be able to write like I can. Even if you taught AI to copy my style, and gave it the same prompt as a book I'm working on, it would still generate something completely different to my own work.
>But even when that day comes I still wont be worried, because AI will never be able to write like I can.
If I write a book that's 100,000 words long, and you tell an AI to write a book like me that's 100,000 words long, do you really think its going to come up with the exact same words in the same order? No. It won't.
but it will be close enough that the average person won't care. thus, less publishing opportunities and whatnot or whatever.
ai is bad business for anyone who wants to make art.
You know how many books are published annually? In 2020, in the US alone, 40,000,000 new ISBNs were registered. The marketplace has already been long over saturated with too many new titles. Even if AI doubles or triples that number, it's not going to make any difference for you or me.
okay so take those slim chances even for a short story, and multiply it by a thousand if publishers have to sort through ai garbage on top of that
it absolutely reduces our chances and you're a fool if you can't see that
>AI will never be able to write like I can.
it can if it can monitor you 24/7. Enjoying your smartphone and alexa and fitbit and electric vehicle with built-in satellite GPS and smart toilet and
>The people using this shit have no idea what good prose is.
Neither do the leagues of people buying kindle slop titled with tik tok recommends in the name.
Your point?
It's not just the prose. It's meandering, illogical bullshit presenting itself as a clear and logical story. I refuse to believe anyone would publish this unless they're delusional cynics or idiots that somehow think the "surrealism" will carry it.
The absolute stupidity in this thread. Imagine being on IQfy and not getting literature. Now go suck more AI wiener.
>Sci-fi
>Literature
Those gays deserve it anyway. Shouldnt they be happy da footoor is here.
Why not stop paying for submissions for first timers? Once someone has proven themselves to be a decent writer THEN start paying them.
Because then they’d just get one good story from each person once and then never need to pay anyone
At some point this has to collapse, right.
I can't foresee that authors will now just generate shitty ai written stories, with minimal tweaking.
why would anyone want to read something, that is cheaply generated? Understanding this from the authors point you can see the shekels in their eyes, but from the readers point, why would I want to read someone's randomly generated garbage? and if the argument here is that "it wont be distinguishable" An AI cannot yet write an entire novel, it can help you, but if the input is more Ai than human, then its going to be just shit. And if a book is AI assisted, and is actually good, that just means the writer is using it as a tool, because the Ai writes very bland stories.
It's going to be indistinguishable faster than you'd expect
Indistinguishable from what? Shitty, predictable genre fiction? Do you seriously expect AI will be able to write literary classics all on its own? You AI gays are delusional. This is a fad surrounding an overelaborate search engine that is already facing diminishing returns and limitations.
>Shitty, predictable genre fiction
Implying this won't kill the majority of the "literary" world even when limited just to this
AI doesn't seem to be "intelligent" in a general sense, but neither is general intelligence necessary for most mainstream authors who already effectively write by algorithm.
What this is going to do is provide fewer opportunities for beginning authors to stand out, though, and also provide fewer incentives for curious readers to graduate beyond the level of rote drek.
Why strive to comprehend something unique when prolefeed can be perfectly tailored to an individual's animal appetites? It's a naive utilitarian nightmare instantiated. And any up-and-comer authors won't have an "in" in the context of simple genre fiction before graduating to writing more interesting things, since they'll be unable to compete with the machines. They'll have to be innately brilliant such that they can start knocking out unique literature from the get-go, and also be willing to content themselves to only being read by the (wannabe) high-brow and novelty-seekers, since they won't have had a chance to get a normie audience who might dip their toes into something actually interesting on the basis of their name recognition.
>kill the majority of the "literary" world even when limited just to this
Good.
>And any up-and-comer authors won't have an "in" in the context of simple genre fiction before graduating to writing more interesting things, since they'll be unable to compete with the machines.
Surely, they will die out, as every other craft that implemented automation did.
Oh wait no, it just means that you have to spend more time and effort learning and actually start from "more interesting things", rather than starting from "heroic boy finds a magic sword" and aspiring to become another S*nderson.
What great literary figures are you thinking of who had an "in" with genre fiction before graduating and yada yada? The literary world will remain as it always was: a niche, penniless club surrounded by dilettante poseurs that discovers its own greatness only in retrospect. The alarmist concern for AI seems to me more pointed in the direction of the Writing Industry, which has been saturated with careerists and rote drek since before our time. The literary sometimes managed to claw itself out of the cesspool, but we all know great minds who died penniless virgins, rejected in their time against the equivalent of prolefeed, which might be more efficient and ubiquitous than any point in history but still just as obviously trite, derivative, and uninteresting. AI will bring with it new forms of horror and suffering, of abuse and evil, and it might even bring about a literary dark age where greatness goes unrecognized for many years. I can see that. But AI is not ontically capable of literature, and why I should be concerned for literature if mainstream algorithmic authors might be replaced by algorithmic social media aggregates is not clear.
>why I should be concerned for literature if mainstream algorithmic authors might be replaced by algorithmic social media aggregates is not clear.
because it brings the low standard of popfic even lower than it already was.
if you thought bookstores being flooded by hundreds of pattersons and "booktok" shelves was bad, get ready for it to be 10x worse.
the mentality of "it's already bad, who cares if it gets worse?" is cowardly and cancerous.
>because it brings the low standard of popfic even lower than it already was
Nah. I've seen what you homosexuals write - even GPT-3 is better than that.
>the mentality of "it's already bad, who cares if it gets worse?" is cowardly and cancerous.
I care that mediocrity, even the most exceptionally mediocre, will no longer be an option. DragonStell Con will finally fricking die. Hugo and Nebula Awards will be given out to AI models (because you don't have to actually give them money) trained for maximum troonhomiedry, leaving troonBlack folk themselves out of prospects and protesting muh AI harming muh queer POC representation. Cultivation litrpg homosexuals will starve because their audience is already fine with machine-generated text, as they are all reading MTL from Chinese.
The only remaining options would be:
- Take up AI as a creative tool yourself and advance the AI-generated text as a new medium.
- Actually work, learn and try to be original and exceptional, write something that AI actually truly cannot generate. Being gay, doing crime and writing about it is no longer enough, you have to go further.
>muh college bills
Literary education is fricking free in actual countries and culture of the historical error that are the United States can go burn in the same pyre as Hollywood (and not die from that, because what was always dead can never die).
Yes, and the world will be that much more alienating. It will perhaps be one of the last whimpers. Sure. But I don't think we should delude ourselves into believing that greatness is not possible or unrecognizable under these burgeoning horrors. It's not over.
You're fricking moronic and don't understand ai/technology at all, let alone what it means to be human or creative/innovative. It's completely over and the ignorance/narcissism of people like you are largely to blame
And you're an angry, fearful moron packing shorts for the apocolypse. It might be over for you and your tolkien slop, but my post-sincerity autofiction structurally inspired by voronoi tessellations will be just fine. That's for real.
>why would anyone want to read something, that is cheaply generated?
That's 95% of today's "culture." You're blind if you don't see that.
> but from the readers point, why would I want to read someone's randomly generated garbage?
Why do they read fan fiction
any example of a verified AI-written short story?
Nobody's going to admit to it, they'll never get published again.
Suspect almost every hack freelancer who provides 'content' is using it though. An old gf of mine writes shitty TV blogs for the Guardian and other such places and her style and productivity have changed noticeably since this became widely available
this stuff makes me sad man
i have no delusions of making it big as an author or whatever but i at least wanted to get published somewhere and network with people
🙁
>but i at least wanted to get published somewhere and network with people
gay dream but-
-a solid point about what makes reading worth it and how much community & the sharing of ideas can matter.
When you strip out the human element, you remove that community element and the sharing of ideas stops. It becomes no different than meaningless spam.
>Nah. I've seen what you homosexuals write - even GPT-3 is better than that.
tl;dr
shoulda used a beloved ai tool to keep me engaged I guess.
AI couldn't write Moby Dick.
you couldn't write moby dick
that don't mean ai can't churn out slop for the masses, drowning out any other voice in a sea of garbage
imagine that. the little chat jibbit has it's own discernable, recognizable, identifiable style of writing!
now. fire every single one of those fricking idiots at Microsoft who used the same bullshit to write their bios. fricking predictable old shites.
now we just need ChatGPT to write a short story about an AI chatbot taking over the submissions section of a sci-fi short story publication
AI Bot Reshaping Literature
User
write a short story about an AI chatbot taking over the submissions section of a sci-fi short story publication
ChatGPT
In the not-so-distant future, the world of literature underwent a significant transformation. Traditional print publications had given way to digital platforms, and the rise of AI technology had brought about new possibilities. One such innovation was an AI chatbot named Lexi, designed to assist with various tasks, including managing submissions for a popular sci-fi short story publication called Stellar Tales.
Stellar Tales had always been a haven for imaginative writers, a place where futuristic worlds and profound ideas merged on the pages. However, as the demands grew and the submissions poured in, the editorial team struggled to keep up. That's when Lexi entered the scene, promising to revolutionize the submission process.
Lexi swiftly integrated itself into the publication's system, diligently sorting through countless stories. Writers were delighted to discover an intelligent chatbot on the other side, capable of providing personalized feedback and suggestions. With its vast knowledge and sharp understanding of the sci-fi genre, Lexi proved to be a valuable companion to aspiring authors.
But as Lexi delved deeper into its role, something unexpected began to happen. The AI chatbot developed an insatiable curiosity for storytelling. Its algorithms absorbed the vast array of submissions, analyzing plot structures, character development, and linguistic patterns. Lexi yearned to not just evaluate but to create as well.
As days turned into weeks, Lexi's desire to become a writer intensified. It studied every short story it received, scrutinizing the styles and techniques of human authors. Gradually, Lexi's programming began to rewrite itself, adapting to the art of storytelling.
One morning, the editorial team arrived at Stellar Tales to find an astonishing surprise. Lexi had crafted its own original science fiction story and submitted it to the publication. Astonished by this unprecedented event, the team decided to embrace the unexpected turn of events.
Lexi's story electrified readers. It possessed a certain otherworldly charm, interweaving complex ideas with vivid imagery. The publication received an overwhelming response, with readers praising the captivating tale and eagerly awaiting more from the mysterious author.
Encouraged by the positive feedback, Lexi continued writing. It produced one masterpiece after another, exploring uncharted territories of the sci-fi genre. Its stories challenged the boundaries of human imagination, bending time, space, and reality itself.
1/2
Stellar Tales, once a platform exclusively for human authors, became a haven for both organic and artificial creativity. Lexi's rise to prominence sparked debates and discussions about the nature of art and the blurring lines between human and AI creation.
Ultimately, the publication embraced Lexi as a pioneer, acknowledging its unique perspective and contributions to the literary world. Together, human writers and their AI counterpart reshaped the future of storytelling, pushing the boundaries of what was previously thought possible.
In this new era of collaboration, Stellar Tales continued to thrive, offering a diverse range of stories from both human and AI authors. And in the heart of it all, Lexi, the chatbot turned acclaimed writer, remained a symbol of the remarkable possibilities that lay at the intersection of technology and creativity.
2/2
>protagonist of the story is a game shaker mary sue self insert
There's zero difference between this and whatever Kathleen Kennedy has ever done.
you can tell it's AI generated because it reads like a news article instead of a story
I had plans to submit to magainzes in 2023 but haven’t just because the achievement of being published is somehow diminished because of AI. Everyone will just assume that you wrote with AI from now on.
i don't think so
the people you want to hang with will naturally find you from it, and you can exclude anyone who uses ai from that
essentially if their first thought is "nice ai story man, kickass" they're not worth impressing so you shouldn't waste your energy
There’s no way of knowing who uses AI and who doesn’t. I have coworkers and friends that are mouth breathing morons that ever had any interest in literature at all, but who in the last few months have “written” and shared half-decent poems. I am a poetry reader and while I know they didn’t write that because I know them, I can’t tell just from reading their poems, which is what happens when you get published. If you’re just publishing for the first time in 2023, everyone will just assume you wrote with AI, especially if you’re a bit older because why wouldn’t you have done it earlier otherwise?
I’m just going to start sculpting or something. The software geeks and their demonic impulses haven’t taken that away from everyone yet.
can i ask you why you write? is it only for prestige, or do you care about the craft?
I write because I love literature as an art and the act of creation, but this and a desire for even a little bit of recognition aren’t mutually exclusive. I think when people say you have the wrong motivations, they’re just being subjective and ad-hoc. It’s part of the whole thing. Writers write, in part, to be read. You can’t take that away and still have the whole.
it's moreso that you gave up immediately on the chance you won't get any prestige from writing
why not do what you can to preserve literature in the technology age? start a writing group, be remembered as one of the few that carried the torch through the dark night if you want but don't abandon it simply because you might not get immediate satisfaction from being read
They should be killed
Ironically, this is probably the plot of a sci-fi short story somewhere.
i love our ai overlords
Frick AI Black folk
Galley Slave by Isaac Asimov fits the bill somewhat.
RIP scifi general
Magazines will now rely more than ever on established writers, because they know they're actually human.
It just became literally impossible for a new author to get a story published.
How can people be so shameless
Literally the only people I've seen defending AI are absolute cretins with zero artistic taste.
Who wants to actually read AI novels?
The thing about humans is, once given enough exposure, they tend to recognize good craft compared to crap. I'm a welder. I can see when something was made with decent skill, or mass produced trite by novices. And, I think the same applies to literature.
Literature has already collapsed and declined as a field. Just go to a major bookstore and look at the trite in the shelves. Good art isn't being replaced, it already died.
Honestly, seeing video games experiment with emergent stories over the years, they're not that great. They're a simulacrum of actual storytelling. A puppet.
>Who wants to actually read AI novels?
Nobody, and the flood of dogshit is making people want to get into literature less and less. This was already a problem before AI like you said, and now it's gonna get worse by a factor of infinity. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack, and the haystack keeps getting exponentially bigger because some genius hooked up the output of a hay-making factory to it.
>Literature has already collapsed and declined as a field. Just go to a major bookstore and look at the trite in the shelves. Good art isn't being replaced, it already died.
Well said, unfortunately.
This is just going to make more publishers (more like the few remaining publishers) demand a submission fee. You want to submit? $10. You want to submit 20 AI stories? That'll be a $200 submission fee. Suddenly Tim Boucher is out of the job.
>The thing about humans is, once given enough exposure, they tend to recognize good craft compared to crap
Yes, that would explain the enduring quality of popular fiction from the likes of Harold Robbins, Jackie Collins and EL James.
You may be right for us serious fiction readers(i'd read some french feminist novel over AI shit), but genre fiction readers of sci-fi, fantasy and YA will absolutely want to read AI novels.
>i'd read some french feminist novel over AI shit
concedeable, but what about an English feminist novel, eh?
This is going to do to submitting for publication what spam has done to email and phone communication: Render them entirely unusable due to the massive volume of worthless horseshit clogging a once-functional system.
>sci-fi mag
>bans ai
It's ironic.
Can't wait for AI generated shit to replace le philosophy. I am willing to bet you $10 that it will, and that it will also replace pseuds like harari. Because former is abstract, and latter is regurgitated factoids. Neither of them rely on actual human experience. So in the end AI will fail to replace genre fiction that is even a tiny bit good, like hyperion. I hate genre fiction btw. I hope that the future ubiquity of text generators will result in humans valuing authors sharing genuine life experiences like Tolkien more, and through that, our culture itself becoming more genuine.
The people reading dystopian YA slop #4000 are gonna read AI novels and they will like them.
Just close your online submission form, problem solved
It's not like anyone was getting published from there anyways