But in the West there's a specific dialectic concerning the Aztec and the Spanish conquest of them. In short, it lets Cuckservatives like Steven Crowder or Matt Walsh adopt a nominally pro-White stance (based WHITE conquistadors PWNING brown SAVAGES) that is also implicitly pro-multiculturalism and pro-universalism. It's the Christian equivalent of >Oh yeah? Well WHITE AMERICANS liberated the CONCENTRATION CAMPS and saved israeliteS from the NAZIS!
Yes, it is true that it allows a group targeted for extermination to feel good about themselves for furthering global israelitery, but it does so by arguing that the group in question should be lauded for helping strengthen ideology that is now actively trying to destroy that very group (and was always going to destroy that very group).
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I think that the astronomy is frankly underrated. These were a people obsessed with calendry and timekeeping. What written records we have of these sciences demonstrate that they were at minimum on par with Chinese cyclical theories AND European chronological studies. If this civilization hadn't been wiped out they would have fricking LOVED clocks.
Inferior to European ones. Anything else is amerimutt copium.
Amerimutts in this case refers to ALL types of mulattos, quadroons, 56%ers that inhabit the accursed continent of Am*rica, including all the various -anos and -inos in the South.
if you ever got seriously sick you'd cry and beg like a b***h to have access to modern western medical science instead of ancient aztec BIPOC wisdom.
They were much more adept at landscaping and making earthen mounds or artificial terrains. The codexes for Mesoamerica were all destroyed so we can't look for much depth in what they wrote, but we do know that they were very adept at time-keeping, mathematics, and celestial navigation. They likely also had a much greater understanding of zoology considering their different approach to wildlife management.
Sanitation >spanish take over mesoamerican cities >immidiately start destroying sanitation infrastructure because they are too moronic to understand it >former aztec capital turns into a cholera-ridden malaric swamp
I'll try to reply to this later with clarification if I have time tonight, but beyond math/astronomy which everybody already knows about (and tbh I think is overrated), Mesoamericans had really exceptional water management systems and hydraulics, alongside very developed sciences with botany, agriculture, herbal medicine, sanitation, and surgical treatments.
You're shitposting but you're not wrong. It's a topic I need to look into more to verify it, but I've seen some references to the fact that sacrifice practices meant they had a greater understanding of the circulatory system then europe at the time.
Certainly though they had some pretty advanced surgical treatments for other things, like the first use of intramedullary nails for bone setting.
What kind of sciences did the native Americans practice?
All they would have needed was to not treat people by bloodletting and they would have been light years away of rome/medieval europe in regards to medicine
Trepanning too. There are even Inca skulls with silver patches grafted over holes in the skull, so they did understand that silver had anti-microbial properties, even if they wouldn't have described it in those terms.
In addition to advanced surgery they also used simple form of antibiotics by applying agave sap — now known to have natural properties of this kind. I think it's actually interesting as frick, bc as most of written records are lost because of brainless spaniards, we can't say how far mesoamerican natives used variety of plants in medicine. And considering already known practises I guess it could be pretty vast
Why do people insist on hitting targets that can't hit back? Its weird when people lIke Steven Crowder or Matt Walsh obsess over minimizing the Indians. It's not just a Christian thing obviously, Muslims do the same with Egyptian and Persian paganism, constantly doing victory laps over an enemy that hasn't been relevant in a thousand years.
But in the West there's a specific dialectic concerning the Aztec and the Spanish conquest of them. In short, it lets Cuckservatives like Steven Crowder or Matt Walsh adopt a nominally pro-White stance (based WHITE conquistadors PWNING brown SAVAGES) that is also implicitly pro-multiculturalism and pro-universalism. It's the Christian equivalent of >Oh yeah? Well WHITE AMERICANS liberated the CONCENTRATION CAMPS and saved israeliteS from the NAZIS!
Yes, it is true that it allows a group targeted for extermination to feel good about themselves for furthering global israelitery, but it does so by arguing that the group in question should be lauded for helping strengthen ideology that is now actively trying to destroy that very group (and was always going to destroy that very group).
They were much more adept at landscaping and making earthen mounds or artificial terrains. The codexes for Mesoamerica were all destroyed so we can't look for much depth in what they wrote, but we do know that they were very adept at time-keeping, mathematics, and celestial navigation. They likely also had a much greater understanding of zoology considering their different approach to wildlife management.
I'll try to reply to this later with clarification if I have time tonight, but beyond math/astronomy which everybody already knows about (and tbh I think is overrated), Mesoamericans had really exceptional water management systems and hydraulics, alongside very developed sciences with botany, agriculture, herbal medicine, sanitation, and surgical treatments.
You're shitposting but you're not wrong. It's a topic I need to look into more to verify it, but I've seen some references to the fact that sacrifice practices meant they had a greater understanding of the circulatory system then europe at the time.
Certainly though they had some pretty advanced surgical treatments for other things, like the first use of intramedullary nails for bone setting.
I think that the astronomy is frankly underrated. These were a people obsessed with calendry and timekeeping. What written records we have of these sciences demonstrate that they were at minimum on par with Chinese cyclical theories AND European chronological studies. If this civilization hadn't been wiped out they would have fricking LOVED clocks.
But in the West there's a specific dialectic concerning the Aztec and the Spanish conquest of them. In short, it lets Cuckservatives like Steven Crowder or Matt Walsh adopt a nominally pro-White stance (based WHITE conquistadors PWNING brown SAVAGES) that is also implicitly pro-multiculturalism and pro-universalism. It's the Christian equivalent of >Oh yeah? Well WHITE AMERICANS liberated the CONCENTRATION CAMPS and saved israeliteS from the NAZIS!
Yes, it is true that it allows a group targeted for extermination to feel good about themselves for furthering global israelitery, but it does so by arguing that the group in question should be lauded for helping strengthen ideology that is now actively trying to destroy that very group (and was always going to destroy that very group).
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I think that the astronomy is frankly underrated. These were a people obsessed with calendry and timekeeping. What written records we have of these sciences demonstrate that they were at minimum on par with Chinese cyclical theories AND European chronological studies. If this civilization hadn't been wiped out they would have fricking LOVED clocks.
you will never scream about killing israelites in the street fricking freak.
I remember reading a book by a Native American biologist about how their traditional land management practices were superior to modern Western ones. Even though they used anthropomorphic concepts like spirits and didn't have advanced math or stuff like that.
All people's have systematically studied nature and made advanced to better their live. Pseudo-intellectuals like Walsh like to shut on indigenous peoples just because they got out-brutalized and our-scammed by supposedly Christian conquerors
Define "not having advanced math" - you think they could build El Castillo or Pirámide de los Nichos (don't have a clue how it's named in english)? I doubt it, that their complex architecture would look like it is and prevailed this long w/o math advanced enough
Probably true since American settlers were noted as being horrible with land management, growing cash crops, exhausting the land, and then moving west. George Washington who loved farming complained about this a lot.
Chinampas are a comprehensive polyculture system that produces enormous amounts of produce and fish with basic landscaping practices. They could be created in a single day using modern technology by a small team of workers. We just don't use them, even for hand-picked produce where it's not an issue, because polyculture still hasn't been pushed as hard as it should be.
>they did barbaric things!
Ok and? How do you think they created those massive pyramids and large farms? morons really think this stuff just comes out of nowhere or can be done with very little knowledge, but that’s not true. They had to use geometry to design these structures.
Define "not having advanced math" - you think they could build El Castillo or Pirámide de los Nichos (don't have a clue how it's named in english)? I doubt it, that their complex architecture would look like it is and prevailed this long w/o math advanced enough
Chinampas prove that they had a very advanced understanding of agriculture that even today remains one of the most promising alternatives to giant monoculture fields of grains and beans.
cumbemayo (cumbe: canal, mayo: river) is an ancient canal (1500 bc), not Inca but still an interesting site of ritual significance with some sections carved in stone, lies next to the city of cajamarca, and is one of the probable reasons why the Incas decided to place their main regional seat there, they always took into account the sacred landscape which is very prominent around cajamarca with several huacas scattered around
about the same distance from cajamarca but in the opposite direction to cumbemayo, incas built thermal baths, today is a pretty touristy town, hydraulic works are an important feature that with greater inca presence acquires greater prominence, the cult of water was always strongly emphasized by the incas, btw atahualpa was resting when he met with hernando de soto
an Inca bath at Pumamarca (puma:puma, marca:place) in Cusco, at the other end of Peru, this site belonged to AnaWarqui, the wife of Pachacuti, located on the periphery of the city of Cusco. During the colony, the rural estate passed into the hands of princess Kusi Warkay, wife of Sayri Tupaq (last recognized ruler of Vilcabamba), the site also contains a large huaca that like hundreds of them around Cusco, were entrusted to the several panacas of Cusco, with the purpose of safeguarding and worshipping them.
an inca bath in ecuador, erected during the reign of Wayna Qhapaq
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at some unknown date a hole was dug with the intention of looting, thinking that perhaps there was something buried underneath
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an inca pool near quispiwanka, part of wayna qhapaq estate in the countryside of cusco
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a cistern next to the acllawasi monastery of women in ruins of pachacamac, lima's coast
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ruined artificial lake in raqchi, near the cusco-puno border
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a reservoir in Kakya Shakishawana, the hillside royal farm of Inca Viracocha, father of Pachacuti, Cusco's countryside, was enlarged in early colonial times
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large pool in the palace of Pumahanchis, governor appointed to the wamani of Wanako and city of the same name (nowadays called guanuco pampa or guanuco marca), a major city located between the Inca cities of Sausa and Huamachuco, in northern Peru
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artificial lake in the estate of Pumapunku (puma's door) that belonged to Wayna Qhapaq, in what once was the Inca city of Tumipampa, Ecuador
ruined artificial lake in raqchi, near the cusco-puno border
seen in the lower left corner of the image
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Can you post more reconstructions of andean architecture? They're harder to find than mesoamerican stuff
Amerimutts in this case refers to ALL types of mulattos, quadroons, 56%ers that inhabit the accursed continent of Am*rica, including all the various -anos and -inos in the South.
>no -ayos
Fianlly my true 47% lebanese whiteness is recognized.
https://i.imgur.com/j3dRrKO.jpg
What kind of sciences did the native Americans practice?
Apparently the first angina diagnosis comes from mesoamerica. And the incan were pretty decent engineers, they even made some of their buildings earthquake proof
>muh human sacrifice
you can sacrifice humans and do science, they don't contradict eachother.
human sacrifice is on the far end of superstition, witch burning and dying for skydaddy aren't that far off.
Botanic, agriculture, whatever shearing dogs is named
astrology, they liked looking at the stars.
I'm not too sure, but I do know their ancestors practice coping, seething, and sperging.
descendants is the term you're looking for
>t.ancient american megafauna
You will never have a real ethnostate.
One of the guys you replied to is clearly praising injuns though
you will never have your land back
Wakanda will never exist in real life
You will never be a real aztex, only a rootless mutt that will never have a culture
The same science the Greeks practiced.
Depends on what we define as science
They were much more adept at landscaping and making earthen mounds or artificial terrains. The codexes for Mesoamerica were all destroyed so we can't look for much depth in what they wrote, but we do know that they were very adept at time-keeping, mathematics, and celestial navigation. They likely also had a much greater understanding of zoology considering their different approach to wildlife management.
How does a religious ritual relate to science? That's like saying that christians are dumb and can't do science because the Eucharist is a thing
Sanitation
>spanish take over mesoamerican cities
>immidiately start destroying sanitation infrastructure because they are too moronic to understand it
>former aztec capital turns into a cholera-ridden malaric swamp
They had a pretty good understanding of anotomy - removing hearts, removing another's skin to make head pieces and cloaks, etc.
I'll try to reply to this later with clarification if I have time tonight, but beyond math/astronomy which everybody already knows about (and tbh I think is overrated), Mesoamericans had really exceptional water management systems and hydraulics, alongside very developed sciences with botany, agriculture, herbal medicine, sanitation, and surgical treatments.
You're shitposting but you're not wrong. It's a topic I need to look into more to verify it, but I've seen some references to the fact that sacrifice practices meant they had a greater understanding of the circulatory system then europe at the time.
Certainly though they had some pretty advanced surgical treatments for other things, like the first use of intramedullary nails for bone setting.
>women have full dresses while men go around half-naked
Looks like something you'd only see in fiction
Go to Islamic countries
Women wear burkas while men go shirtless and wear shorts
All they would have needed was to not treat people by bloodletting and they would have been light years away of rome/medieval europe in regards to medicine
Trepanning too. There are even Inca skulls with silver patches grafted over holes in the skull, so they did understand that silver had anti-microbial properties, even if they wouldn't have described it in those terms.
I'm speaking about Mesoamerica, but yes Andean trepanation is neat stuff
Based incaenjoyers
In addition to advanced surgery they also used simple form of antibiotics by applying agave sap — now known to have natural properties of this kind. I think it's actually interesting as frick, bc as most of written records are lost because of brainless spaniards, we can't say how far mesoamerican natives used variety of plants in medicine. And considering already known practises I guess it could be pretty vast
>and tbh I think is overrated
Some of their astronomical calculations outdo Ptolemy's in precision, afaik
Any good book recs on Mesoamerican botany/medicine/anatomy etc.?
One of the few posters that combats low IQ assumptions and pseuds on this board, thank you
They had some unique technology. All pre-industrial cultures did, even Abos (boomerangs)
Why do people insist on hitting targets that can't hit back? Its weird when people lIke Steven Crowder or Matt Walsh obsess over minimizing the Indians. It's not just a Christian thing obviously, Muslims do the same with Egyptian and Persian paganism, constantly doing victory laps over an enemy that hasn't been relevant in a thousand years.
Because it's easy.
But in the West there's a specific dialectic concerning the Aztec and the Spanish conquest of them. In short, it lets Cuckservatives like Steven Crowder or Matt Walsh adopt a nominally pro-White stance (based WHITE conquistadors PWNING brown SAVAGES) that is also implicitly pro-multiculturalism and pro-universalism. It's the Christian equivalent of
>Oh yeah? Well WHITE AMERICANS liberated the CONCENTRATION CAMPS and saved israeliteS from the NAZIS!
Yes, it is true that it allows a group targeted for extermination to feel good about themselves for furthering global israelitery, but it does so by arguing that the group in question should be lauded for helping strengthen ideology that is now actively trying to destroy that very group (and was always going to destroy that very group).
I think that the astronomy is frankly underrated. These were a people obsessed with calendry and timekeeping. What written records we have of these sciences demonstrate that they were at minimum on par with Chinese cyclical theories AND European chronological studies. If this civilization hadn't been wiped out they would have fricking LOVED clocks.
facts don't care about your feelings.
you will never scream about killing israelites in the street fricking freak.
I remember reading a book by a Native American biologist about how their traditional land management practices were superior to modern Western ones. Even though they used anthropomorphic concepts like spirits and didn't have advanced math or stuff like that.
All people's have systematically studied nature and made advanced to better their live. Pseudo-intellectuals like Walsh like to shut on indigenous peoples just because they got out-brutalized and our-scammed by supposedly Christian conquerors
Define "not having advanced math" - you think they could build El Castillo or Pirámide de los Nichos (don't have a clue how it's named in english)? I doubt it, that their complex architecture would look like it is and prevailed this long w/o math advanced enough
it's entirely obvious you have never taken a derivative in your life fricking worthless moron.
Probably true since American settlers were noted as being horrible with land management, growing cash crops, exhausting the land, and then moving west. George Washington who loved farming complained about this a lot.
Chinampas are a comprehensive polyculture system that produces enormous amounts of produce and fish with basic landscaping practices. They could be created in a single day using modern technology by a small team of workers. We just don't use them, even for hand-picked produce where it's not an issue, because polyculture still hasn't been pushed as hard as it should be.
if you ever got seriously sick you'd cry and beg like a b***h to have access to modern western medical science instead of ancient aztec BIPOC wisdom.
How come Mesoamérica threads always have the worst starts but the best contributors?
aqueduct technology
That’s not Inca my beloved nobody.
Bump good bread
I agree. But I'll give it just one(1) more bump
>they did barbaric things!
Ok and? How do you think they created those massive pyramids and large farms? morons really think this stuff just comes out of nowhere or can be done with very little knowledge, but that’s not true. They had to use geometry to design these structures.
See
Chinampas prove that they had a very advanced understanding of agriculture that even today remains one of the most promising alternatives to giant monoculture fields of grains and beans.
cumbemayo (cumbe: canal, mayo: river) is an ancient canal (1500 bc), not Inca but still an interesting site of ritual significance with some sections carved in stone, lies next to the city of cajamarca, and is one of the probable reasons why the Incas decided to place their main regional seat there, they always took into account the sacred landscape which is very prominent around cajamarca with several huacas scattered around
mean for
about the same distance from cajamarca but in the opposite direction to cumbemayo, incas built thermal baths, today is a pretty touristy town, hydraulic works are an important feature that with greater inca presence acquires greater prominence, the cult of water was always strongly emphasized by the incas, btw atahualpa was resting when he met with hernando de soto
an Inca bath at Pumamarca (puma:puma, marca:place) in Cusco, at the other end of Peru, this site belonged to AnaWarqui, the wife of Pachacuti, located on the periphery of the city of Cusco. During the colony, the rural estate passed into the hands of princess Kusi Warkay, wife of Sayri Tupaq (last recognized ruler of Vilcabamba), the site also contains a large huaca that like hundreds of them around Cusco, were entrusted to the several panacas of Cusco, with the purpose of safeguarding and worshipping them.
an inca bath in ecuador, erected during the reign of Wayna Qhapaq
at some unknown date a hole was dug with the intention of looting, thinking that perhaps there was something buried underneath
an inca pool near quispiwanka, part of wayna qhapaq estate in the countryside of cusco
a cistern next to the acllawasi monastery of women in ruins of pachacamac, lima's coast
ruined artificial lake in raqchi, near the cusco-puno border
a reservoir in Kakya Shakishawana, the hillside royal farm of Inca Viracocha, father of Pachacuti, Cusco's countryside, was enlarged in early colonial times
large pool in the palace of Pumahanchis, governor appointed to the wamani of Wanako and city of the same name (nowadays called guanuco pampa or guanuco marca), a major city located between the Inca cities of Sausa and Huamachuco, in northern Peru
artificial lake in the estate of Pumapunku (puma's door) that belonged to Wayna Qhapaq, in what once was the Inca city of Tumipampa, Ecuador
seen in the lower left corner of the image
Can you post more reconstructions of andean architecture? They're harder to find than mesoamerican stuff
was resting here*
Inferior to European ones. Anything else is amerimutt copium.
Amerimutts are usually the ones who shit on injuns the most though
Amerimutts in this case refers to ALL types of mulattos, quadroons, 56%ers that inhabit the accursed continent of Am*rica, including all the various -anos and -inos in the South.
>no -ayos
Fianlly my true 47% lebanese whiteness is recognized.
Apparently the first angina diagnosis comes from mesoamerica. And the incan were pretty decent engineers, they even made some of their buildings earthquake proof
>you will never live in the alternate timeline where eurangutans never invaded the Americas and ruined it with pollution and globohomo
Well, they knew how to mine and smelt metals, and had a decent grasp of architecture.
No they did not, their metallurgy was very primitive, and I say this as an Amerindian cultures affectionado
How'd they do it bros?
rub rock against other rock
>muh human sacrifice
you can sacrifice humans and do science, they don't contradict eachother.
human sacrifice is on the far end of superstition, witch burning and dying for skydaddy aren't that far off.