Seemed like it was a better USB than USB, you could even daisy chain them.
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Seemed like it was a better USB than USB, you could even daisy chain them.
I have 1 million cables of all kinds, and I never came across that shit
zoomer. 1394 was nearly ubiquitous in external HDD enclosures before USB 2.0, and was the only connector included on the first and second gen ipods.
Holy shit I had no idea that the tiny port on my old laptop was this. Idk why a laptop would have the mini version though. Pic related
This always surprised me. Supposedly one of the arguments for FireWire's "failure" was the licensing fees. Yet just about every windows laptop I've owned has one; and I would usually buy whatever's cheap and on sale at Office Depot/BestBuy that week.
License and extra hardware costs on a $1000 computer were insignificant. On a $50 external hard disk, somewhat less so.
>1394 was nearly ubiquitous with moronic macgays
ftfy
Firewire 400 has sustained throughput faster than USB 2.0. So even when USB 2.0 became more ubiquitous on external drives and devices it remained the better option. And Firewire 800 was better than both of them.
one of the major performance advantages firewire had was that it could do DMA, rather than needing the cpu to do everything
of course, that made it less secure...
>Applel products define everything
No. Nothing outside of apple used that shit.
>appleshitter thinking his products matter to anyone other than other appleshitters
kek
Never used it was it any good? Usb4 is approaching 40gbit and Ethernet and optic fibre is approaching 100tb Kek
Same
it was popular before usb 2.0, but then basically only seen for prosumer use, or apple stuff, mainly digital video cameras (which were generally not common among consumers at that time)
the only time i ever used one was with my schools' dv camera
not too sure why it wasn't more popular
>Pay Applel $1 per sold device because you're using their connector
frick apple
Same, cameras is the only place I've seen this shit used on. Also y'all b***hes talking about apple should know that Apple had no fricking presence in Europe at all until around when the iPhone 4 launched. Like, the first Apple store in the Netherlands opened in 2012. Even though Apple probably has been running a significant amount of their money through here since forever like every fricking multinational.
So for most of the world that didn't use video cameras this moronic port was just there on their computer never to be used. I don't think whatever period there was that there was only usb 2 was long enough for that to be a thing. It's just a stupid gay connector with a gay name. Oh by the way Thunderbolt is also a gay name especially when you put some fricking schutzstaffel thing next to the port even though for most reasonable people that thing is just a mini dp port. Like seriously that look on a girls face when i pulled out my (Black) mini dp to hdmi cable and connected her laptop to the projector was priceless. And honestly it wasn't her fault Apple marketed that thing as some magic bullshit and kinda conveniently forgot to mention that's the video out lmao. I guess they would have preferred that she buy the expensive cable.
Also fricking lightning. They just constantly come up with edgy names for really annoying 'standards'. I'm glad we finally seem to have come to some sort of semi standard connector in usb-c. It might suck that it's quite hard to find one cable to rule them all (100W+, 10gbps+, not too stiff and a decent length), but at least it's something.
I guess apple just doesn't want to wait for standards to be finished or something, or someone really enjoys designing connectors with weird hooks on em. I guess they are still okay for killing adobe flash though. I don't think the world would be better off with just microsoft and dell lmao
*no usb 2/ only usb 1
i owned a few machines that only had usb 1.1 ports, it was around for several years before 2.0 came out
that said by the time most people were moving to usb, 2.0 was starting to become available
interestingly, the apple imac was one of the first usb-only (for basic peripherals) machines, and that was before 2.0
>not too sure why it wasn't more popular
It needed more smarts to be put into peripheral devices compared to usb and so would have cost more.
People don't like paying more for something they think is the same.
You could network on 1394 too which was cool, I only ever did it once though
yea, you could connect two computers together directly with firewire
What the frick I hate you can't do this with usb I'm too moronic to make a network just to transfer some potn and photos
you could get usb "transfer cables", i used to own one in the mid 2000's before all my devices got gigabit ethernet
basically it has usb connectors on either end, and in the middle is basically two usb network cards attached together
it was great, could do usb2 speed network transfers (and games) over it
seems they make modern usb3 ones still
might be nice to pick one up considering some computers aren't shipping with ethernet anymore
You can also just buy an usb ethernet adapter
sure, though there might be performance advantages to this
like the usb2 one i used to have connected at usb2's 480mbps and easily beat out typical 100mbps ethernet cards
i guess there's probably 10gbe usb3 adapters as well though, which would solve that concern
well at least 5gbe adapters are a thing, pretty expensive though
of course idk how fast those usb3 transfer cables are, since i've only used older usb2 ones
i remember plugging in an hdmi cable between two of my family's laptops and my dad yelled at me that I could have fried them
Whenever the state of the art for I/O bandwidth increases, there are almost always 1st gen 'grifter specifications' that come out before a formalized/standardized one.
Firewire was the grifter spec for the bandwidth increases of USB 2.0+, they just rushed it out the door so cameragays could get started using it.
firewire is not usb2 beta, it works in an entirely different way to usb
t. i get griftcucked by marketing and fall back on semantics
idk what that means
It means the npc was programmed to hate Apple. All it is.
it was really fricking fast back in the day. I had a firewire iPod Mini and firewire Sony digital camcorder. I recently found my iPod mini and I bought a PCIe firewire card so I can use it again
>I recently found my iPod mini and I bought a PCIe firewire card so I can use it again
you could have just used a usb cable you know
not him but early ipods were firewire-only
firewire -> usb adapters work fine for those ipods you shouldnt need to go out and install a firewire pcie card
the mini was usb, only the gen 1 was firewire only
i'm not sure on the details, i just remember when they announced a usb version of the ipod
i don't use apple stuff, and obviously that's an old as dirt memory
Wasn't really that much better after USB 2.0 came out, sure you could daisy chain FireWire and FireWire 800 was faster but it was never really used outside of storage thanks to its limitations compared to USB. You could just get a USB hub which was a simple device and cheap.
USB 4.0 will allow for daisy chaining too and also PCIe, both inside the standard, unlike Thunderbolt.
Actually my old case has one can I use it for anything?
You could get a Jaz drive to play with
>You could get a Jaz drive to play with
Who jaz
It was so much better it's nuts; I'll never get over the fact that USB won
>Allows DMA.
Nothing personnell kiddo.
Yes, but the license costs and the chips required killed it. You weren't going to get $2 FireWire fans from Shenzen.
Once USB 2.0 came out it was pointless.
Also hubs are objectively better than daisy chaining.
>Also hubs are objectively better than daisy chaining.
No. If you have a HHD on your desk and want to add a second one, you just plug it in, instead of buying a new device to clog your desk and replugging everything
Just include a hub in the HDD c:
Let me call Western Digital and tell them
I used to clone the internal drive of my old macs to firewire drives and then boot from the backup in case I fricked something up, being a stupid teenager that wanted to mess with his system.
I feel like USB is slowly developing into that direction.
Oh and you could boot a mac so it would appear as a firewire drive to other macs. Can we have this with USB? Enter the bios, boot in "USB mode" and then your laptop is essentially an external drive?
>esata blocks your path
i've seen the port several times
i've seen a real life peripheral that uses the port exactly zero times
i fried the FW port on a HDD enclosure because i plugged it in upside down lol
it was neat to connect 2 computers together for ultra fast file transfers as others have mentioned. also used FW to transfer video from a miniDV handycam back in the day but that was pretty annoying because you had to capture it on the PC in realtime instead of just transferring a file
>it was neat to connect 2 computers together for ultra fast file transfers as others have mentioned.
Now that we have USB-C, what's stopping us from doing it again?
Because now everybody has gigabit ethernet with auto-MDIX.
>Because now everybody has gigabit ethernet with auto-MDIX.
But usb4 is 40gbit and usb3 is 20gbit
This is relevant for massive file transfers, where both ends are turbo-nutter NVMe SSDs.
Since this isn't actually that common a use case (though increasingly it is, I'll grant you), 1Gbps is fast enough (for now), and was plenty during the USB 2.0 days.
I have two of those ports on my 2008 mac pro and I've never even handled one of those cables
Don't care, still using Windows XP x64.
Hardware costs and licensing bullshit killed 1394.