Unlikely. Proto-AA originates in the Levant among the Natufians and Semites wouldn't migrate to Mesopotamia until the Bronze Age. Furthermore, Semitic speaking Ethiopians completely lack Iranian/CHG ancestry. Iran_N probably spoke a Caucasian language. When they migrated, they adopted the language of the Levantines (Semitic)
>Proto-AA originates in the Levant among the Natufians
there's no proof of this, i don't think natufians spoke any language, they were hunter gatherers
Pre-AA clearly originated in Mota and Hadza related populations but Africans have large amount of Eurasian admixture so I think distant ancestor of Afro-Asiatic was australoid.
And they still aren't genetically close to Iranians. Even Italians have some Iran_N and have J2 as well but that doesn't mean their language came from Iran
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>And they still aren't genetically close to Iranians.
They don't need to be for their language to from Iran.
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There is very little evidence that it comes from Iran. The current theories are focused on either the Levant or Northeast Africa
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>The current theories are focused on either the Levant or Northeast Africa
That's for afro-asiatic. It's impossible for semitic to not be from Iran based on genetic data.
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Proto-Semitic and Proto-Afroasiatic are related, the former is descendant from the latter. >It's impossible for semitic to not be from Iran based on genetic data.
What genetic evidence? The presence of J? That means nothing since there are Afroasiatic speakers that are mostly E1b
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Spread of J Y-DNA and Iran_N ancestry happened at exactly the same time as spread of semitic lamguages and pre-semitic Afro-Asiatics didn't have J or Iran_N ancestry so semtic languages are from Iran.
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Wrong. Afroasiatics already had Iran_N ancestry and J since the neolithic. The earliest Semitic language is Akkadian which is Bronze Age and Proto-Semitic itself dates at its earliest to the 4th millenium BC
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>. Afroasiatics already had Iran_N ancestry and J since the neolithic.
They didn't before Iranians and Caucasians raped them during Bronze Age.
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J replaced E1b lineages by the neolithic
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>J replaced E1b lineages by the neolithic
No only in bronze age. T mostly replaced E during neolithic and T+leftovers of E got again replaced by J1 and J2.
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That still isn't proof
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Meme map.
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Why? Because you say so?
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looks like some map made on paint
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This is wrong and you don’t understand genetics
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Cope.
and pre-semitic Afro-Asiatics from Levant and North Africa didn't have J Y-DNA or Iran_N ancestry so semtic languages are from Iran.
Unlikely. Proto-AA originates in the Levant among the Natufians and Semites wouldn't migrate to Mesopotamia until the Bronze Age. Furthermore, Semitic speaking Ethiopians completely lack Iranian/CHG ancestry. Iran_N probably spoke a Caucasian language. When they migrated, they adopted the language of the Levantines (Semitic)
>Proto-AA originates in the Levant among the Natufians
there's no proof of this, i don't think natufians spoke any language, they were hunter gatherers
They were hunter and gatherers who transited into farming. Its likely they were Proto-AA because they spread farming across Africa
natufians themselves were only hunter gatherer
you're probably talking about neolithic levantine that were half anatolian farmer tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture
Its well known that they cultivated grains and cereals
anon, they lived in caves, throwing a few cereals on the ground isn't proper agriculture
but i don't think they spoke proto AA anyway
>spread farming across Africa
East Africans discover farming independently moron. the mythical natufians are just proxy population for ancient people.
Proto-AA is probably from Iberomaurusians since Natufians were their rape babies.
Possibly. Keberans may have spoken it too
Iran_N seems to have a few percent Taforalt and Natufian.
>Semitic speaking Ethiopians completely lack Iranian/CHG ancestry. I
They have some
They have next to none
Add chg and tes eritrans and somalis.
Still none. Not even the Sudanese have much of it
Sure but PAA likely comes from the Levant or Africa
Not much but they have some. Test how much natufian, taforalt, AG3, Continenza, Onge, and MKD_N, Iran_n and iran_hg have.
and also chg
http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016/07/somali-qpadm-models-using-new-ancient.html
Kebarans probably had languages ancestral to EEF.
ehtiopians could have adopted semitic later, i don't think that's very relevant
Its quite relevant
They do have some but its extremely miniscule. Probably from the middle ages due to heavy contact with Arabs
>Proto-AA originates
Frick off, it originate in Eastern Sahara/Africa
Pre-AA clearly originated in Mota and Hadza related populations but Africans have large amount of Eurasian admixture so I think distant ancestor of Afro-Asiatic was australoid.
>When they migrated, they adopted the language of the Levantines (Semitic)
That never happens with conquerors.
Because it wasn't a conquest
It was. Majority of Levant_chl cities were destroyed.
>cities
>in the neolithic
There were some during neolithic (Jericho) and many during copper age.
pretty much looking at haplogroups yes, J is correlated with the semitic spread, most of the levant was J by the bronze age and they spoke semitic
Semitic is associated with J, but other branches of AA are far more E1b. It seems like a back-rape of sorts, either way AA cannot be native to Iran_N.
Yeah I think J is just a founder's effect given that Yemenis are rich in J1 but aren't genetically close to Dagestanis
Yemenis have some Iran_N.
And they still aren't genetically close to Iranians. Even Italians have some Iran_N and have J2 as well but that doesn't mean their language came from Iran
>And they still aren't genetically close to Iranians.
They don't need to be for their language to from Iran.
There is very little evidence that it comes from Iran. The current theories are focused on either the Levant or Northeast Africa
>The current theories are focused on either the Levant or Northeast Africa
That's for afro-asiatic. It's impossible for semitic to not be from Iran based on genetic data.
Proto-Semitic and Proto-Afroasiatic are related, the former is descendant from the latter.
>It's impossible for semitic to not be from Iran based on genetic data.
What genetic evidence? The presence of J? That means nothing since there are Afroasiatic speakers that are mostly E1b
Spread of J Y-DNA and Iran_N ancestry happened at exactly the same time as spread of semitic lamguages and pre-semitic Afro-Asiatics didn't have J or Iran_N ancestry so semtic languages are from Iran.
Wrong. Afroasiatics already had Iran_N ancestry and J since the neolithic. The earliest Semitic language is Akkadian which is Bronze Age and Proto-Semitic itself dates at its earliest to the 4th millenium BC
>. Afroasiatics already had Iran_N ancestry and J since the neolithic.
They didn't before Iranians and Caucasians raped them during Bronze Age.
J replaced E1b lineages by the neolithic
>J replaced E1b lineages by the neolithic
No only in bronze age. T mostly replaced E during neolithic and T+leftovers of E got again replaced by J1 and J2.
That still isn't proof
Meme map.
Why? Because you say so?
looks like some map made on paint
This is wrong and you don’t understand genetics
Cope.
and pre-semitic Afro-Asiatics from Levant and North Africa didn't have J Y-DNA or Iran_N ancestry so semtic languages are from Iran.
What are the afroasiatic languages
Or do you think Egyptians got their language from Iranians you mongoloid
>Or do you think Egyptians got their language from Iranians
Possibly. Ancient Egyptians also had Iran_N.
Yup. moronic
Cope my beloved Farrokh nobody.
Yep, J2 also stems from Iranian men raping Nafiris and Natufians paternally.