Why is it that sex is usually described this way:
>Dominance/submission: cringe phrases, boring bdsm shit or "sophisticated" erotic games described in a Modernist style full of greek and latin words
>Animalistic: dominance, submissive without cringe phrases said by sex havers
>Analogy with nature: "her thighs were like mountains and I was a river between them" bullshit
>Vile shit: what you read in American Psycho. Traumatic penetration, gang rape, etc.
>Innocence: "she didn't know what to do but I did because I'm an old man". Crap that involves age difference
>Happy lovey-dovey sex: also includes analogy with nature as in "sun rays hit her body while she was laying on top of me".
They always fall in these categories, which is really repetitive and generally boring. I find that sex in books is almost the same as in sex in films: unnecessary, bland, matters none in the plot, shitty execution. I know that sex was described pretty good in books like Decameron, however, nowadays it's the same shit spewed by authors hundreds of years before.
No author has innovated in writing sex scenes.
So are fight scenes. Better in other media.
Fight scenes in the Illiad are really great, unlike recent books. By recent I mean books from the 19th century until now. No idea why is usually the same stupid shit. I feel like there's actually no need to write fight scenes because the ways to do so have been done to death. No one can even do a fight scene even in the Illiad style that is entertaining. Reminds me of realistic paintings. Yes, they are still done, but they are either same crap as the old ones or hip shitty no substance "hyperrealism". I could argue that it's analogue to what happens in sex in literature.
The people who write description of tasks well, are usually people who have personal or extensive interest in that task or skill.
The description of the boxing match in Ellroy’s ‘Black Dahlia, was excellent for someone who has little knowledge of boxing.
Dashiell Hammett’s description of searching a room, from ‘The Maltese Falcon’ is way more descriptive of a proper room search than i’ve seen in other literature or film, and Hammett was a Pinkerton Detective.
Hammett also seems to have had very good knowledge of certain “personality disorders” before there were clinical descriptions of those disorders.
This is very good insight. Experience begets the writing, e.g. Junger
So authors write shitty sex because they have shitty sex? You are right that experience helps a lot, but can't they be creative about it without experience? Maybe it's not possible.
It isn't that your dick is huge, it's that the pussy-haver wasn't that aroused. I have a small dick yet sometimes it hurts her. However, when she is really aroused to the point she is rubbing her pussy in my leg, nothing hurts her, not even me inserting my four fingers insider her. Just flick her bean, lick pussy or choke her. Always works.
Sex is the most viscerally embodied experience we have. It can't be adequately described verbally. All higher-order cognition is muted while the most primitive tactile and kinesthetic sensation are amplified. Maybe poetry can more closely capture its essence, but even this is inadequate.
>Sexual intercourse in books is usually boring
it also is irl
but i guess wouldn't know anything about that
It's impossible for sex to be boring. It isn't always fulfilling but it's never boring
Said by someone who either hasn't had many sexual partners or hasn't had enough sex. It absolutely can get boring
>treating sexual activity like some kind of trophy
why be such a philistine?
I'm not, I'm sure people who are happily married are far happier than me and my degenerate ways. I'm just saying you haven't had enough sex if you haven't found someone boring yet or even just had one boring time.
It can be boring if it lasts for too long. Even if it's boring irl why wouldn't it be fun in a book? You could even make looking at a wall for hours fun. I think authors aren't that creative anymore.
Also boring when it becomes routine.
It's basically like doing the dishes with your significant other. Just something you do.
Maybe
Yes, it's boring sometimes, but what I'm adressing is sex used in books. It's usally boring, and books can sometimes describe boring crap as entertaining. Sadly, that doesn't happen.
Fujoshis would consume whatever crap because they are horny either for sex or just love.
I've read enough fanfics to know they are mostly garbage. Sex also falls in the categories that I mentioned.
>Fujoshis would consume whatever crap
They have their own thing, tho. Women in general (or anyone with a little taste) dislike mainstream porn. Most of the site truly is shit, but that's because 90% of users are underage (even the ones engaging with +18 content).
That was the arousing part.
Of course, having "your own thing" doesn't mean it's good. Just wanted to point out that they have a specific generic/bad thing.
Isn't the erotic literature market one of the easiest ways to get money,even with mediocre writing? Amazon always shows those at the top-selling e-books.
why are you pretending to be me? I'm the OP lol.
So the low quality of fujoshi-friendly writing is because they are mostly a small, young group and not because fujoshis inherently like low quality shit?
>90% of users are underage (even the ones engaging with +18 content)
>That was the arousing part.
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In my defense, I didn't interact with anyone. Also was around 16-18 at the time, so it's not that bad.
I'm not pretending, just wanted to add something I forgot.
I don't know, never really interacted with them. What I said applies to that site specifically, I only knew they were underage because of their writing.
Ok I was moronic. So, because it earns a lot of money, the quality of the writing doesn't matter as long as it sells. Isn't this a general problem about pretty much all art?
I know fujoshis and yes, they aren't that concerned in the writing but that it has gay male sex in it. Even if it's shitty writing with all the cliches that exist, they would consume it. I wonder, why isn't there some sort of Balzac, Moliere or Goethe of smut writing? Is it because it's still taboo?
Bataille
Thanks for the rec
Probably, but the thing is, literature can make even mundane things entertaining, beautiful, etc. Sex isn't treated like that anymore.
thanks schoppy
Still, why wouldn't an author write about sex in an interesting way? I think it should be treated in a cool way, just like in the Decameron. Of course, that's if the author want to portray it so. My complain is that when they do, they do a rather crappy job.
>Majority of body goes numb during sex
What is this and why does it happen to me?
There are zero times when sex should be included in a book unless the book is predominantly pornographic.
I like Bolano's sex scenes, they are direct and horny
Lmao who the frick are you?
I also find sex extremely boring. People who are still excited about or obsessed with sex after 25 remind me of people who are still playing the 14th sequel of a game they liked in their teens, except they're in their thirties now. Something went wrong there.
I crave sex like I crave junk food, and sometimes the craving is annoying and you have to cave, and it's nice to have a gf since it's like a healthy alternative you can use to keep the craving away, but sex itself is not that big a deal.
>I also find sex extremely boring.
youre not fricking the right women anon
This
Maybe you're just having some really bad sex.
Sex is like shitting or eating. Or death. Happens all the time.
It's mundane and banal
yes but i'm very dogmatic and my favorite position is doggie so i have to fulfill my rituals one way or another. just as i need to workout every other day. there's a difference between abstaining from cravings and fundamental human needs. my job demands i have post-nut clarity.
>People who are still excited about or obsessed with sex after 25 remind me of people who are still playing the 14th sequel of a game they liked in their teens
Then what's the point of living after 25 in your mind?
This is literally you.
I remember writing sexual stories in fan fiction sites just to see fujos saying how they loved it and knowing they jerk offd to them.
Even wrote gay shit, not really proud of that.
if you want good sex scenes then you'll need to go to ao3. All the best sex I've read has been in fanfics.
As opposed to sexual intercourse with your mom which is exciting
write something entertaining about it. I'm serious and not joking. Maybe IQfy might be the start of a new Eroticism movement.
I like the ones in Fate/Stay Night
I wrap my hand around Tohsaka's female symbol.
"… Wow."
I let out a voice of surprise.
My mind goes crazy at its soft firmness.
The softness of her breasts stimulates my manhood.
Her lewdness is a great nightmare.
Her anus is defenseless.
It contracts every time I move, looking like a second reproductive opening.
—Tohsaka's anus.
The dirtiest part of her is right in front of me.
Amazing, I never got that far before starting to skip
Sex is banal
It sounds like your brain has rotted so much you can't even get aroused by erotica
>All higher-order cognition is muted
>Just something you do.
>the craving is annoying and you have to cave
its a mundane activity like shitting or eating, It doesn't need to exist unless it conveys an idea.
I like how mishima sorta does it / avoids being too obvious
this
That's because the real essence of sex can only be captured when spoken around in some way. In short: it is more than what literally happens.
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IDK, Ive always found written smut a lot hotter than visual porn. Just requires the right writer who knows what to focus on to elucidate feelings, and what to omit to inspire painting a picture yourself. It can be some really good shit.
>moronic: Morrissey's "bulbous salutation"
>Try to insert dick into woman
>She screams that it hurts
>Dick finally inside
>She starts screaming after every single motion I do because dick is destroying her insides no matter how much pussy juice she produces
>Cant even hate frick her because with every motion I do my dick touches the back of her insides and it inflicts pain onto me
Having a big dick sucks bros
Same, except it wasn't that bad and she would take it, not without some slight grimace and groan. If I didn't notice and ease up, she would put a hand on me, but sometimes when I would notice, she would say it's ok I want you to...
I can't remember how long it has been since we last spoke. I hope she's not waiting tables anymore, always serving, always smiling... and I always strolling, always smirking. We were each dead on the page; if only I could erase our ink and write our wills onto the world. Sorry for the blogpost
Why are americans such prudes about sex? It's just a part of life like anything else you could write about
Protestantism?
>still posting this "Americans are puritans" meme in 2022
Wake up, morons. We live in the most licentious society yet known to man.
It's the most licentious precisely because of how prudish it is
lol okay
Incoherent. "Repetitive," but you have to create an entire taxonomy to capture the variety. How can you claim sex in erotica is "unnecessary, bland, matters none (lol) in the plot" when that's the entire point of the genre?
I meant it as NOW sex usually falls in those categories, hence it's repetitive. There's few variety.
>How can you claim sex in erotica is "unnecessary
It is because it's always written/described/portrayed the same. There's no creativity. Erotica uses those sex passages as something annex to the story, as in, thanks to sex, something happens to the protagonists or it involves character development. Whatever happens during sex is irrelevant besides the overuse of adjectives, akin to purple prose. It could easily be reduced in "X have sex with Y, afterwards X changes as a person/does something". The activity done during sex doesn't matter really.
larp thread
Is sex really that overrated guys?
I am 27 virgin and really want to do it. Must be nice to clap some nice cheeks and cum inside
Is overrated if you frick someone you don' love. Yes, even if it's a hot smoking looking Eva Green woman, you will end up just cumming and feeling weird, kind of like eating fast food. However, if it's your gf, you both can do what you always wanted, plus kissing and cuddling is actually good.
You had to be there man
>Have sex poop my pants again
One line from a song in Morbius is better than 90% of human literature in the past 400 years