Should I go for Ryzen or Intel?
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Should I go for Ryzen or Intel?
Should I go for Ryzen or Intel?
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Which ever one is cheaper
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moron mutt thinks spending more = good.
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Ryzen isn't a brand.
https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-08/171089-D_AMD%20Ryzen%20Brand%20Guidelines%20Final.pdf
intel has better support for windows and linux
i thought amd was better for linux?
i would go for intel if you are just gaming.
Ryzen if you do more than gaming.
only on the dedicated gpu because intel igpu drivers are the best gpu drivers on linux
Alder Lake is still shit on anything except Windows 11.
I'm not talking about performance, I'm talking about support.
Support for what?
Performance.
But Alder Lake sucks on Linux and Zen 3 is better than Rocket Lake, so that's not true.
At each price point there is one that is better bang for buck than the other. At the moment AMD do better at higher price brackets and Intel do better at the lower price bracket which is a complete reversal of how things were just like 2 years ago
Mr. Mojo Ryzen is an anagram for Jym Morrezon
If you need your compatibility with niche software, Intel. Otherwise, I'd still go with Intel.
AMD obviously. They're cpus are higher quality than shintel.
Intel, dont fall for the meme, amd shills never sleep
Yes
Does it even matter? What about your life will be different in 1 years time depending on the choice you make?
>Should I go for Ryzen or Intel?
you should do whatever morons on IQfy tell you. don't even think about it, just do what the other frog posters tell you. if you do what IQfy says you instantly become a super smart genius because everyone on IQfy is obviously super duper smart
Narrow down what you want to achieve with your computer to specialize and save some money. Question is simply too vague to get a valuable answer
Always go with an Intel CPU and AMD graphics card.
Definitely agree with the AMD graphics card notion in these times lol
is AMD the only one with PCIe4? I want to consoom something NEW
why are you even on IQfy if you aren't building your own CPU from scratch? pathetic.
Take whatever you can get cheaper.
Intel
Bought my first AMD system a couple of months ago and it has been problematic and hot AF
Have you considered reapplication of thermal paste? Most direct solution to your problem.
I've done that 3 times. I'm running liquid metal right now.
The CPU is still close to thermal throttle even after I've undervolted and underclocked it. I think the cores are just too small to be cooled efficiently.
My old i9 ran a lot cooler and didn't go up and down in temps as fast
What CPU and cooler are you using;
are you using the backplate supplied by the cooler, the motherboard backplate, or (God forbid) no backplate;
are you sure you've applied the paste correctly and tightened the cooler sufficiently?
Liquid metal usually isn't any better than regular thermal pastes for desktop systems with an integrated heat spreader. LM is mostly reserved for direct-die applications like laptops, GPUs, and delidded CPUs as the TIM between die and IHS.
If you go back to regular thermal paste, use an absolute frickload more than you think you need. Too much is never too much, while not enough is absolutely going to cause problems -- don't worry about having it ooze out the sides between CPU and cooler, all computer thermal paste is electrically non-conductive and won't mess up the board or chip.
Noctua NH-U12A
I'm pretty sure the cooler is working correctly as it can easily cool the CPU with a 200W(I know that the power-limit is currently set to 100W) load when all the cores are loaded.
It's when it loads just a few cores and boosts the shit out of the cores things get messy, and specially when gaming when the GPU outputs an extra 250watts of heat into the case.
I can't make the CPU thermal throttle just by loading the CPU with my current settings.
Guess Intel suffers from the same "problem", having the stock boost frequency a few hundred MHz higher than reasonable just to be the fastest hot mess on the planet.
Zen 3 doesn't thermal throttle at 90 C, it aggressively boosts up to this point until it reaches an equilibrium. It's supposed to run as hot as possible without compromising performance.
>It's supposed to run as hot as possible without compromising performance.
That's dumb. Having the CPU boost so hard that it hits 90c with short loads and in turn triggering the fan controller to speed up the fans to full blast just because of a short load.
It took minutes of AVX2 torture to heat up one core on my i9 10900 wheres my 5950x hit 90c in less than a second with the same load.
>and in turn triggering the fan controller to speed up the fans to full blast just because of a short load
That's more of a problem with your mobo's fan controller then. Tune the fan curve.
>It took minutes of AVX2 torture to heat up one core on my i9 10900 wheres my 5950x hit 90c in less than a second with the same load
It works something like this:
>cpu attempts boost to 4.7 GHz
>core reaches 60 C
>cpu attempts boost to 4.8 GHz
>core reaches 76 C
>cpu attempts boost to 4.9 GHz
>core reaches 88 C
>cool, i will stay at 4.9 GHz
>anon complains because it's running "too hot" and "throttling"
Also, AMD's temperature sensors are more accurate than Intel. If one core is at 90 C and the rest are at 40 C, the CPU will report 90 C. Intel reports a rolling average of the whole die, so the temperature looks a lot lower in software, but in reality the situation is the same.
>That's more of a problem with your mobo's fan controller then. Tune the fan curve.
I have like a mad man
But the problem is when something as small like closing MPC-HC gets the core temp up to over 80c with stock CPU settings.
That does sound really high then. Opening a web page on my 5800X makes the temperature spike to 50-55 C, which sounds really bad in Intel land, but in reality only a single core reached that temperature for a few seconds. I guess you could try a negative boost clock override, the 5950X has a target of 5050 MHz by default. You could try lowering it to 4950 or 4850 MHz. It won't affect all core loads since the CPU sits well below that anyway.
I've underclocked it to 4500Mhz and undervolted it with PBO, so it behaves fine now
4500 MHz is way too low for a 5950X. That's Zen 2 territory. It should be able to run much cooler than a 5800X at 4850 MHz. There's something wrong with your CPU if you have to resort to undervolting AND underclocking lower than a 3950X.
Maybe so
I tried running it at 4700mhz at first but it was way hotter than 4500mhz. I wasn't able to run as big of a voltage offset at 4700mhz either. A few cores got unstable at -15 offset where they are stable at -25 at 4500mhz
This is my 5800X, completely stock, browsing the web. I think the high point is 60 C for a second or two. I'm using the performance governor on Linux so it always boosts as much as possible. A 5950X should have much better silicon quality and be able to handle 4700+ MHz without a sweat.
Maybe your mobo is doing something weird like overvolting your CPU? I have no idea, really, but if you're reaching 80 C from closing MPC-HC something is wrong.
Do you prefer to give your money to asians or israelites?
If you have to ask it doean't matter.
Intels new 7nm processors with feveros (called P1276, renamed Intel 4) will arrive in 2023, so I'll wait and get those.
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process
Those are gonna be sweet, I just know it. But if you must buy something today, I'd go with ryzen, because you get more performance per watt. Intel is still on 10nm, which means it will run hotter and use more power to get the same speed.
Apple's M1/M2 is also really nice, surprisingly. They locked it down permanently though, so forget about upgrading ssds, memory, adding gpus, pcie cards, etc. But if you don't care, I think their Mac Studios is not a terrible deal. Instead of a giant clunky box filled with fans and dust, you get a neat little thing to put on your desk or hide it somewhere, and it's quiet and super fast.
What do you need? If you just do what normal people do with their computers like browsing and gayming and shit then buy the i3-12100 it's like $100
intel for your hackintosh
neither