Show me ONE thing in islam/quran that is not a blatant case of plagiarism. ONE!
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Show me ONE thing in islam/quran that is not a blatant case of plagiarism. ONE!
weird how a random guy from the deserts of arabia would have such intimate knowledge of other scriptures
The Arabian peninsula was full of heretics who knew part(s) of the Bible as well as the Orthodox Christian Tradition.
Also, the quran is supposed to be the uncreated word of allah. Why is allah quoting Paul?
Why disturb Allah? leave him alone bro.
the crusades are over...
Muhammad was clear about heretics and how he had external knowledge
Care to name one single thing islam did not copy/steal from others?
If I name ONE thing you promise to quit this shit flinging contest?
It depends on what it is.
I don't want silly stories about muhammad - I want something related to the core belief and dogma of islam. You know, the stuff that matters.
when Allah constitutes the conquest of land for Muslims.
What land?
In the OT we also find the concept of the "Promised Land", what the Christians call "Holy Land".
Next.
Every religion/faith/philosophy had some sort of a version of, for example, the golden rule, even when separated by continents, never having met each other. Or did Jesus plagiarize this rule from Confucius. You do realize common problems require similar solutions, solutions that can develop independentl? It in no way automatically implies plagiarism. This is true in every field, like in math(see: calculus) or even theology.
>Every religion/faith/philosophy
The literal uncreated word of allah is not just any religion/faith/philosophy.
You really need to explain why allah literally quotes Paul in his uncreated book. You can't escape this through rationalizations and overgeneralizations.
Stop comparing the quran to other books.
muslims consider the quran unique.
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. In an Islamic context this is entirely internally self consistent. God reveled his words many times in time and space, through many prophets to many different people. Since people are usually faced with similar problems these words have oft been repeated, and because some where forgotten or ignored.
>God reveled his words many times in time and space
We are running in circles.
please answer
>Why is the uncorrupted word of God so similar to the corrupted word
The Quran wasn't written down till a generation after his death. There's no telling how much is anything he actually said and how much is just inserted by the actual writers.
Parts of the Quran were written down during his life. In fact, one of his scribes would realize he was a fake, retVrn to pagan Gods, then become Muslim again to save his skin and later partake in conquering Roman Egypt
>a random guy
He was a big shot in a big clan
>from the deserts of arabia
He lived in a big town, Mecca, which was both a big religious site for the Arabs since the Bronze Age and where caravans went through
>such intimate knowledge of other scriptures
There were Christian Arabs, the Ghassanids, and Christians in the Sinai, and his wife's uncle was a Christian. And Christians from the Roman Empire would spread their cult everywhere so no surprise there
>Claims Quran is plagiarising Bible
>Quotes Hadith
Bruh
Bottom pic is the quran idiot
verse 32.17 also quoted in the hadith
Where's the plagiarism though? The NT verse mentioned promises rewards beyond imagination in heaven as does the Quran, and get this: as does the OT. It's because it all comes from one God.
If you want to talk about plagiarism though, I would suggest you watch this video:
WTF are you on about? Paul is allah?
Are you saying Paul received quran from allah?
Did you see the pic I posted in the OP?
That's Paul's epistles to the Corinthians, plagiarized by allah.
Frick Deedat. That clown was a circus performer.
We believe that there is some truth in the Christian bible with regards to the basic concepts of morality, justice, and heaven/hell, because that too was a revelation from Allah to Isa (PBUH). The writings of the disciples did not come out of the blue, as you allege, but were verses passed down to them by Isa (PBUH), some of which they corrupted.
Was Paul a disciple of Isa?
Was Paul a muslim?
Is what Paul wrote allah's word?
Explain and justify your claims.
the surah about abu lahab. no other holy book talks about this particular relative of muhammad who ridiculed him to such an extent that muhammad put an enture surah cursing him into the quran.
>particular relative of muhammad who ridiculed him
quran does not explain who abu lahab is.
and that matters because...?
the quran doesn't explain almost anything, you need the sunna to clarify what is what, and the tradition is clear on this account.
>the quran doesn't explain almost anything
Well you got that part right!
The hadith was invented 250 to 300 years after the death of muhammad.
Abu was pagan?
Abu Lahab on suicide watch
More like muhammad [meaning allah] is butthurt.
kek
Like the plague.
Ur mum
t. Seething Abu Lahab
No, like mold. A plague is dangerous and kills people. Mold is weak and only dangerous when it's not kept in check, which is exactly what's happening with islam, the weakest and most easily debunked of all religions.
>the weakest and most easily debunked of all religions.
Christians only have their head canons now, givem their religion of dead
given*
is*
Who do you follow as a judge?
6.114 Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah, when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail."
AND
5.50 Do they then seek the judgement of (the days of) ignorance - And who is better in judgement than Allah for a people who have firm faith.
VS
4.65 But no, by your Lord, they can have no faith, until they make you judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.
>Who do you follow as a judge?
The almighty god, not your cherry picks
Mold will survive even after all other animals and plants have died off. So I guess we're on the same page here
>Mold will survive even after all other animals and plants have died off.
Exactly, islam seeks to destroy anything that makes life remotely interesting so that it can rule among the empty ruins. You've perfecty understood the point of islam.
ah yes I forgot
>pajeet/christian/jew
>stop posting
I will continue to ridicule your satanic religion and help others do so.
>Venerating a polytheist who denies God and his messengers
The absolute state of Christians on this board
Christians are feeling existentially threatened. They killed their own faith and are trying do drag down others to their doom using all mean necessary, including using atheist methodologies
>They killed their own faith and are trying do drag down others to their doom using all mean necessary
You're describing muslims. Muhammadans have no faith. If they had faith, they'd obey their Queeran and leave infidel nations that practice usury. Muslims have no idea what faith is, all they have is social pressure and conformity.
>leave infidel nations that practice usury
Doesn't the same go for you, buddy?
>Muhammadans
AAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAAHAHHHH THERE'S A FRICKING PAJEET IN THE THREAD EWWWWWW WTF
Care to explain why your mentally ill mind thinks only pajeets use this accurate word?
?
>?
Given I was talking about Christianity, and you replied with an usury comment... Isn't that also forbidden in Christianity?
You aren't arguing with a Christian here buddy, it's a fricking hindpoo. He probably smells like shit from all the cow dung he ate this morning
>He probably smells like shit from all the cow dung he ate this morning
Eww why are they like this?!
Because the only people who use it now are bindoos who think using long words once said by white massa when he was ruling over them makes them white as well
Captcha: YRJT
YOU ARE JEET
Congrats on managing to derail the thread and avoid answering the questions about your stupid book.
Hey it was going fine until the street shitters showed up
>Because the only people who use it now are bindoos
As you know, this is completely wrong. Plenty of people everywhere use the word muhammadan. Here in France we say "mahométan". You've probably seen a hindu use that word once or twice and your inbred brain now thinks it's only hindus who use it.
Haha okay "French guy" I believe you 😛
That's an Orientalist term.
Like mahomet.
Allah is not god.
It's shaitan, Abu was clearly a disgusting pagan, following false satanic faith.
However, even though he was in error and in complete spiritual misery, Abu was right about Muhammad and how he was a fake with mental problems.
I don't think it's much better to stop worshiping several demons and worship just one
>god is not god
The absolute state of Christians...
satan is the best of deceivers.
In quran allah admits he is the best of deceivers [3.54]. Thetre fore allah admits he is satan.
lol
*therefore
Looks like you were deceived, anon he he he
Allah is not god, it is shaitan, some names of the demon Allah, in addition to the 99 larp names that shaitan (Allah) used to deceive the Bedouins;
Allah: al-mutakabbir, ad-Darr, al-muzil, al-makir, al-fattan.
You understand the Arabic language, correct? translate such words and see how shaitan reveals himself.
I think it's funny that Muhammad "realized" he was wrong after 8 years, right? You read the Quran, you know very well what I'm talking about...
Well, I'm going with it friends! I have to sleep early to work tomorrow.
God bless and may Shaitan, Satan, Allah and all the names he uses, not have any influence on our lives!
>anyone who hates islam is a pajeet/christian whenever it helps my argument
pathetic abdool can't argue for shit
Dirty israelite, stop posting and go infiltrate another country
I didn't mention anything about pajeets
But you did
Good morning ranjesh
Since when it is supposed to be original?
The quran says that it contains no old tales, stories, or myths.
Everything in the quran is 100% original.
>The quran says that it contains no old tales, stories, or myths
Bruh, no it does not. In fact quite the opposite. Almost every chapter mentions these old stories, how they were revealed in the past and how they're repeated here as a reminder
See verses
68.11-15
25.4-5
27.67-68
6.25-26
46.17-18
16.24-25
23.82-83
83.12-14
8.31
Where "allah" consistently attacks those who accuse muhammad of plagiarizing and repeating the tales of their ancestors.
>68.11-15
I can't go through all of, but just this first one showed me you're either mot arguing in good faith, or you didn't bother spto understand it. How do these verses prove that "the Quran says it contains no old tales, stories, or myths"?
Islam was created by God to serve a sacred function in conjunction with the children of God for whom the Christ came, each forming the opposite half of the whole of the people of the earth, both joined together in worship of the one true God. The vision of God is to rend the people of the world in two with by the sword of God brought by the Christ so that they can be joined together in harmony, each knowing themselves and their place in God's creation.
But this is the riddle of the sword in the stone, the lost blade of the lake, the shattered sword of kings... What sword, of God, did the Christ bring to identify which would be cleaved from the rest and set apart into the Kingdom of Heaven upon the earth?
I have seen the sword and holy grail of God in the sacred temple of God's creation but do any of you dare to make your claim as to the nature of the blade? Even the wise do not know how it was that Alexander cut the Gordian knot, but although not the blade of the Christ it was of God, to be sure.
meds
The quran is a pathetic amalgamation of many heresies and sects that existed in 7th cent. Arabia. There is absolutely nothing special about the quran - a book full of false scientific and historical claims. A book that seeks to cancel and replace scripture by omission.
There is absolutely nothing in the quran or in islam in general that was not told before, only in a much better, more eloquent, and more wise and coherent way.
The quran caters to stupid people with an inferiority complex.
>The quran caters to stupid people with an inferiority complex.
The Christian is projecting again, bless his soul.
- Dul Qarnain plagiarized from Alexander Romance
- The encounter of muhammad with jibril plagiarized from the Venerable Bede [Caedmon's Song]
- The youths in the cave plagiarized from the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus
- The Fall of Ibliss plagiarized from the Apocalypse of Moses
- quranic embryology plagiarized from Galen
Just to name a few.
>Christian is arguing like am atheist
Buddy, you do know that Bible is also full of plagiarism like the ones from the Epic of Gilgamesh?
He doesn't know. He has never read the bible in his life, and is only LARPing as a christian online because it's trad and edgy
the Quran unambiguously asserts the authenticity of the Bible
surah 5
5:43 But why do they come to you for judgment, when they have the Torah, in which is God’s Law? Yet they turn away after that. These are not believers.
5:47 So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners.
5:66 Had they observed the Torah, and the Gospel, and what was revealed to them from their Lord, they would have consumed amply from above them, and from beneath their feet. Among them is a moderate community, but evil is what many of them are doing.
5:68 Say, “O People of the Scripture! You have no basis until you uphold the Torah, and the Gospel, and what is revealed to you from your Lord.” But what is revealed to you from your Lord will increase many of them in rebellion and disbelief, so do not be sorry for the disbelieving people.
10:94 If you are in doubt about what We revealed to you, ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt
>the Quran unambiguously asserts the authenticity of the Bible
In general not specifically
you basically said nothing, btw there's a lot more proofs than the few verses I quoted
Again, how would Muhammad have known about any of these tales when he was an unlettered shepherd/merchant living in a town with a population of a few thousand people?
>unlettered shepherd/merchant living in a town with a population of a few thousand people?
Not to mention these stories all vary and have been written in Akladian, Aramaic, Hebrew, even Greek. Arabic was not a popular language and there were no translations of many of these works. Muhammad somehow miraculously learned 10 languages, read all this ancient corpus, and managed to interweave all these ancient stories into one, and translate it into poetic Arabic. All these supposed paralles between ancient works the scholars are just discovering, thanks to how advanced the scholarship is today, yet he expects us to believe it was done by some shepherd in the 7th century.
This has already been answered.
Arabia was full of heretics that would have been familiar with these stories.
Notice that ALL stories in the quran are vague and avoid mentioning names and locations.
Who is Dhul Qarnain? quran does not say.
Who were the sleepers in the cave and when/where did it happen? quran does not say.
etc...
>Who is Dhul Qarnain? quran does not say.
Ok then if you don't know who he is then how is he Alexander?
>Who were the sleepers in the cave and when/where did it happen? quran does not say.
etc...
Same question, how are they then Seven Sleepers of Ephesus?
>Ok then if you don't know who he is then how is he Alexander?
https://archive.org/details/TheAlexanderLegendInTheQuran/mode/2up
> plagiarized an Anglo Saxon poem
> in Arabia
I doubt it
Absolutely.
You are an abdul arguing with another abdul.
*Yawn*
Same old rhetoric. Christians will continue to fellate israelites, israelites will continue to subvert christians, Muslims will be hated by both because they stay on the straight path
> "I have come to ruin your families and spread discord and division in your household while your enemy's at the gate"
Yeah, thanks Jesus
Misconstrue a prophecy as intent.
Yep, typical abdul with an IQ of about 57
>stop miscontruing me!
What can I say, God's not a great author
none, it's moronic fanfic by a goatfricking slave trader
there isn’t any
>God can't reveal the same teachings through different prophets
wow it's almost as if they come from the same source!
see
>Was Paul a disciple of Isa?
I believe he never actually met Jesus, what happened on the road to Damascus could be explained in multiple ways and not all of them supernatural. However he ultimately helped enlighten many people out of paganism even if his methods were dubious.
>Was Paul a muslim?
Well he believed he followed Jesus according to his writings so that will make him qualify if true but there are important details I am not sure of so I won't claim either way. His faith is in his heart, only God knows.
>Is what Paul wrote allah's word?
No, but that doesn't mean he hasn't passed on teachings that were ultimately revealed through other prophets in the past.
ffs even tawheed is plagiarized.
>ffs even tawheed is plagiarized
Source?
Arguments ITT basically boils down to:
>God in the Bible: Hey guys remember that Alexander guy, or those seven sleeping beauties, yeah those were some nice parables
so cool
>God in the Quran: Hey guys remember that Alexander guy, or those seven sleeping beauties, yeah those were some nice parables
WTF Plagiarism burn the witch.
lol wtf are you on about?
neither of those stories are from the Bible
source: your ass
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
>Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
That's not tawheed, dumbo. They still eschew a hypostatic union.
You need to understand how plagiarism works. Plagiarism is not copy-paste. You spice it up a little bit. That's what muhammad did. muhammad was surrounded by heretics who informed him on the stories of the Bible as well as of stories found in Orthodox Tradition.
Now as far as twheed is concerned: The sirat speaks of a group of muhamad's follower's who migrated to Abyssinia [that's Ethiopia].
Upon their return these people obviously informed muhammad of the concept of "tawheed" that had existed within the Ethiopian Church for centuries before muhammad was born.
Tewahedo (Ge'ez: ተዋሕዶ täwaḥədo) is a Geʽez word meaning "united as one". This word refers to the Oriental Orthodox belief in the one perfectly unified nature of Christ; i.e., a complete union of the divine and human natures into one nature is self-evident in order to accomplish the divine salvation of mankind, as opposed to the "two natures of Christ".
Stolen from Ethiopian, the word tawheed in arabic means unification.
Where do we find Paul in the quran or hadith? I will even accept daif hadith.
>The Arabic word for oneness was stolen from ethiopian language
...
...
Anon how stupid can you possibly get? Just stop at this point you're only digging yourself into a deeper ditch
>semitic languages have similar words for similar concepts
unbelievable news
>Where do we find Paul in the quran or hadith?
irrelevant not every follower (or not) of a prophet has to be mentioned
Tawheed is not an Arabic word, yet the Quran states it is written in Arabic.
You are a very dishonest person, which I guess makes you a very good muslim.
That is not how a discussion works anon. Paul for example never even claimed to be writing God's literal words. You'd first have to justify that claim
The hypocrisy of the christians is such that when there's a story in the Quran narrating a parable which isn't in the previous scriptures, they're all like
>Proofs? Where's muh proofs? OH GOD I NEED PROOOOOOOFFFFSSSS
And when there's a parable that's also been revealed in previous scriptures, it's
>THIS IS PLAGIARISM WTF
>not every follower (or not) of a prophet has to be mentioned
There is no hypocrisy here. We are being very honest and consistent.
It makes no sense for the quran that is allegedly the uncreated word of allah to plagiarize stories from the Orthodox Christian Tradition.
It raises another question: Why didn't allah mention the original sources in order to elevate those prophets and their followers who stayed faithful to allah's word?
Why does allah quote Paul, but does not know who Paul is?
tawheed means UNITY not "oneness"
>tawheed means UNITY not "oneness"
According to Edward Lane's Lexicon on classical Arabic, tawhid... is derived from the Arabic verb wahhada, which means "He made it one; or called it one" [wikipedia]
Try again shlomo
>There is no hypocrisy here. We are being very honest and consistent.
words you are throwing around with nothing backing them
>it's impossible for God to share his teachings with multiple people at different times
nope again
>expects a holy book to contain citations for every concept or term previously mentioned before in part or fully for arbitrary reasons he decided
islam destroyed!
>Why does allah quote Paul, but does not know who Paul is?
God knows everyone but not everyone is worth being mentioned directly even if they write something true, very stupid claim you have there. Besides Paul was quoting what was written in Isaiah 64:4
>Besides Paul was quoting what was written in Isaiah 64:4
Whoa whoa whoa
Now wait just a minute
Are you insinuating that...
No, for how can it be...
Paul PLAGIARISED what was written In Isaiah?!?!?!???
OMG is this true OP? How did Paul know word for word exactly what to write in his totally unique book?
Can you believe biblical Jesus actually quoted the OT as well? How can this be?? Did he learn from some pesky israelites what was in their books?
See now your reasoning has just circled back around and kicked you in the ass. Why is it that when Isa (PBUH) taught the Bible it was considered as reaffirmation of the scriptures written before it, but when Muhammad (PBUH) was given the Quran you say it's plagiarism?
I meant as a reply to
You are so fricking moronic it is truly a wonder to watch you bury yourselves like that.
Are you not aware that the book of Isaiah in part of the Bible? Why wouldn't Paul quote Isaiah? The reference is also in the OP picture. There are thousands of cross-references between the OT and NT. The muslims on the other hand reject the Bible.
Hence it is obligatory for the muslims to justify why we find in the quran references to the Bible and the Orthodox Tradition that islam rejects.
List all the corrupted parts of the Bible.
One by one. And then explain why the parts you list are corrupted.
>List all the corrupted parts of the Bible. One by one. And then explain why the parts you list are corrupted.
Here's a list of 101 contradictions in the bible, anon. Be sure to read them one by one. If you wish to refute them, also do so one by one
https://www.islamawareness.net/Christianity/bible_contra_101.html
>Why wouldn't Paul quote Isaiah?
He didn't author the entirety of the bible, he copied that line there because it was plagiarism clearly according to your logic.
>thousands of cross-references between the OT and NT
Yes all cases of clear outright plagiarism. I mean if you claim God can't do it how can a mere man handle the power of quotes?
>The muslims on the other hand reject the Bible.
No? "Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.' "
>'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.'
lol
You don't even know what that means. That's just nonsense. That's a brain fart.
Contradictions? I want you to list all the part of the Bible that have been corrupted, always according to the quran. I don't want a list written by an illiterate stone kisser.
Is this why allah states in 3.7 that the quran is unintelligible?
>You don't even know what that means.
It means there are remnants of truth so we can't reject every single thing. How hard is that for you to grasp?
>there are remnants of truth
list them and justify your list
the list was written by a muslim who has never read the Bible.
>list them and justify your list
>the list was written by a muslim who has never read the Bible
Lol. Lmao even. You contradict yourself in the same fricking post. You are unbelievable
not at all
the muslim that wrote these alleged Bible contradictions did not justify them
in other words he doesn't know what he is quoting and comparing.
Whereas I specifically said that the person who would list the "true parts of the Bible nedds to justify his selection.
>Try deboonking the Bible heh
>NOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
I need you to read that again one more time. Take it slowly. Without the latest revelation it would be impossible to discern. Here is one as a starter "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man..."
God is not a man.
This is in agreement with Christian dogma.
What is your point here?
Nope, he (Jesus=God) is 100% Human as well.
Yes. The Logos became flesh.
Notice the word BECAME.
Are you just finding this out?
Yes so now he is a man. Which is wrong according to what was cited
>Yes so now he is a man
Now?
So, as we write these posts according to Christian dogma, God is man? Which man is it.
After he took on human nature (soul and everything else). Jesus who else? Are you saying he no longer has this aspect of him?
What's "aspect"?
Is that a term you find in Christian Dogmatic Theology?
his human nature, does he have it or not?
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ascended to Heaven and took His place to the Right of the Father as the Son of Man.
The Triune God is uncreated and as such not of flesh. Still, the Logos became flesh.
now answer
>the Son of Man
The quoted text mentioned this as well read it again and explain
>The Triune God is uncreated and as such not of flesh.
the Logos=Jesus=God became flesh you mean. Don't invoke the other persons I specifically said Jesus. He has a full human nature he is human, just as his full divine nature makes him god.
What's your difficulty here?
The Logos became flesh, and ascended as a human. Are you going to answer now?
>God ascended as a Human
Okay great so Numbers 23:19 is false. Also answer what? you've been rambling to some other guy be specific you just made unsubstantiated claims like "allah is satan" which just means you called all Christian Arabs Satan worshipers.
>so Numbers 23:19 is false
It's not.
The Logos BECAME flesh..
answer
allah calls himself satan by declaring he is the best of deceivers
>BECAME
yes that invalidates the verse because it means God is a man and also the son of man
>by declaring
where does God call himself satan again? I don't care about your opinions. btw it is a factual statement that God is superior
you didn't answer
You aren't contesting what I am saying at all, you are bringing up irrelevant things and that means you've just conceded. Also once more quote exactly what you want an answer from
Yes it does, the Logos is 100% God and guess what he's a man and the son of man.
>quote exactly what you want an answer from
this post
>What happened and muhammad was promoted from a humble messenger to supreme judge in all things?
What is the problem? Are you confused about the role of a prophet/messenger?
top tier apologetics, yes becoming something means that after the act that thing IS something
allah is confused
help allah please
is muhammad JUST a SIMPLE WARNER as allah states a dozen times in the quran,
or is muhammad the supreme judge of all affairs?
You can only pick one.
>You can only pick one.
false dichotomy, is this the best you can do?
It's not a false dichotomy.
looks like allah is a schizo
go ahead and explain
pick your strongest "contradiction" from two verses and show me where A is not A, not a gish gallop
explain
Also answer this:
Is the quran a clear book? Yes or No?
This is a Yes or No question. Even if one verse of the quran is unclear then it means the book is unclear.
If then they run away, We have not sent thee as a guard/judge over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the Message) 42:48
VS
But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction 4:65
WTF is going on here?
SCHIZO allah out of control
start explaining
first of all is this referring to the same group of people?
>Even if one verse of the quran is unclear then it means the book is unclear.
quran 3:7
You are the muslim. You don't know?
It doesn't matter whether it is referring to the same people there are a dozen verses stating muhammad is ONLY a WARNER/MESSENGER
then you have muhammad as a JUDGE. WTF happened why muhammad a judge all of a sudden? absolutely no reason for this change. no explanation in the quran the hadith or the sirat.
WHY? Start answering and explaining.
>quran 3:7
exactly.
verse 3.7 contradicts more than 50 verses stating the quran is CLEAR.
3.7 states the quran is unintelligible to ALL humans, and only allah can understand it.
I'll be back in a few hours to check your explanations.
Good luck finding anythign that can remotely provide an explanation.
ZERO tafsir on this moronic shit.
I am asking you but since you are being moronic One talks about "those who turn away" and the other about potential true believers, also it's always funny when the verse just before tells you everything you need to know "And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah..."
>3.7 states the quran is unintelligible to ALL humans
no it doesn't wtf?
3.7 literally states that "None knoweth the quran's explanation save Allah"
I've listed a dozen verses stating muhammad is only a warner/messenger
STOP BEING A Black person and address them
you have a dozen verses stating muhammad in NOTHING - notice the ABSOLUTE nature of the word NOTHING - BUT a messenger. Then you have verse 4.65 stating muhammad is the arbitrator of all human affairs. Once more: WHY and HOW THE FRICK DID muhammad BECOME a SUPREME JUDGE?
>One talks about "those who turn away"
>the other about potential true believers
That's irrelevant. But aren't those who turn away also potential believers?
That's literally the definition of a potential believer you dumb pedo worshipper.
Someone who has turned away from X can still turn towards X.
Fricking hell no wonder you sand monkeys worship this pedo c**t muhammad allah
>3.7 literally states that "None knoweth the quran's explanation save Allah"
First off it is talking about specific and unspecific verses. Also you are doing exactly what the verse says it's amazing subhanallah
>racism and literally lying about his leave
very christian of you
>address them
you only need two to show a contradiction in the logical form not spam, besides once more 4:64 demolishes all of your arguments
>But aren't those who turn away also potential believers?
one group is "believers" being tested for their true faith and the other outright rejected it what is so hard to understand? they are different people in that particular case
>ad hominem
it's just sad
You are useless.
>I'll be back in a few hours to check your explanations.
This time demonstrate the contradiction as per
terms and try to actually answer what you are ignoring. You have plenty of time to prepare an actual argument.
I am BUT a warner and there is no God save Allah 38:65
I am BUT a warner, and a bearer of good tidings 7:188
But thee We ONLY sent To give glad tidings And warnings 25:56
Then if they disobey thee, say: "I am free (of responsibility) for what ye do!" 26:216
Say: "I am BUT a warner" 27:92
We sent Thee ONLY to give Glad Tidings and to warn (sinners) 17:105
...they say: Why hath not a treasure been sent down for him, or an angel come with him ? Thou art BUT a warner, and Allah is in charge of all things. 11:12
We have sent thee ONLY as a (Messenger) To ALL mankind, giving them Glad tidings 34:28
If then they run away, We have not sent thee as a guard/judge over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the Message) 42:48
But if they turn away, thy duty is ONLY to preach the clear Message 16:82
I am (sent) ONLY to warn plainly in public 67:26
You muhammad are BUT a warner 79:45
Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord? Say: "The signs are only with Allah and I am ONLY a plain warner" 29:50
compare all these verse with
But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction 4:65
by the way each of these verses in the list is a separate contradiction with 4.65
>he's a man and the son of man
Became, not "is".
The verse does not say that the Logos cannot become a man.
>God is not a man
>Although God is in fact a man
You're a silly little chap with a silly understanding of your own religion. I don't think there's anymore use arguing with you; you don't even have the bare minimum level of insight to know you're contradicting yourself like a clown in every post. It's like talking to a brick wall only worse.
I like how this thread started off as OP asking why the Quran plagiarised everything, only to devolve to you having to defend the inconsistencies in your own Bible. You are a joke, just like every other christian apologist on this site.
Good riddance.
I have already proven here itt that allah is satan
There are no contradictions in the Bible.
The quran on the other hand is full of plagiarized stories and contradictions - the contradicitons in the quran damage core dogmatic beliefs of islam, and are not simply about wrong numbers.
One can be found here
and I'm not surprised all abduls avoided trying to explain it.
There are over a dozen verses in the quran clearly stating that muhammad is NOTHING but a WARNER/MESSENGER.
Yet in verse 4.65 we find the remarkable statement "But no, by your Lord, they can have no faith, until they make you judge in all disputes between them" by allah!!!
What happened and muhammad was promoted from a humble messenger to supreme judge in all things? You are welcome to use any islamic text you want. You will not find an explanation.
although allah is in fact a man
allah has hands, feet, a face, a shin, and can get a concubine pregnant and have offspring according to islamic scripture.
>I don't want a list written by an illiterate stone kisser
These aren't the words of a Muslim, but quotes from the bible itself. There isn't a single Quranic verse mentioned in this list. If you reject it still, then you are blaspheming against your own book
>He didn't author the entirety of the bible, he copied that line there because it was plagiarism clearly according to your logic.
you just don't know what plagiarizing means. quoting is not plagiarising. the stealing of ideas and formulations, repeating something as if it was your invention is plagiarising.
>repeating something as if it was your invention
The prophet never claimed to invent what he was receiving, in fact a lot of the time we are told it's the same exact message that has been passed down through the other prophets. So this whole argument is again that it's ok when Paul does it but a big no no when his Creator does. Paul even taught many things that are not direct quotes yet also still very much biblical in nature, was he stealing "ideas and formulations" in that case? Remember he was actually a learned man and could have easily accessed those works in the language he speaks
whats your point? muslims believe too that bible was inspired by the divine but got corrupted
He has no point. What little logic he had has fallen flat on its face and he's clutching at empty straws here
Can we stop pretending that any bible, anywhere, is the written word of god? It's not. If an all powerful god needed it to be written, then he would have written himself instead of letting his flawed and fallen creatures that he created write it for him.
>plagiarism
The perspective is polar opposite.
"Hidden from" implies a conscious agent other than you can make you unable to notice, because its also inside of you. The "are you a collective or an individual", both to a degree, but some are extremes.
It wasnt until after I ascended that I looked back and saw messages, events, things from the past were aliging with what I was recently diacovering, always has been/kind of.
The Quran on the pyramids:
And Pharaoh said, “O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [a fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars” (28:38).
The Tower of Babel:
Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.” (Genesis 11: 3-4)
Just another one to add to the copied pile. Mohammad was a merchant, so he likely heard tall tales from trade routes and from the stories of the israelites in Medina and cobbled them together.
>the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars
Fascinating, I think I know what this is talking about, and why Islam was a kind of 72* religion, meaning the aspect of man that naturally lies is one its supposed to correct/rebuke.
I dont read much of the Quran but sometimes would check out a random verse of it, but I do research it from a way people dont normally.
I am not familiar with this 72 idea. But if this was suppose to be a core tenant of Islam, then it fails a lot as Allah is the best of all liars and there are many practices that say lying to non-Muslims is a virtue.
I myself don't read the Quran, from what I have heard, you have to force your way through a lot of it because of its structure. I have skimmed over it and it is not something that can easily be referenced as it jumps over the place.
>then it fails a lot as Allah is the best of all liars
Yes, that is called Satanic, the seperate of God into God/Satan held to be able to point out hyperdimensional overlaps.
>there are many practices that say lying to non-Muslims is a virtue.
Yes, the people of the lie, like hearing lies, who could have guessed this had real world consequences?
>I am not familiar with this 72 idea.
Yet you have lied at some point, even within yourself youre searching for a line to rest in...72 is related to a analogous correlation" of Geometry and Cognition (Consciousness/Soul).
But 72 isnt the "lie" line per se, but something kind of like it, related to Biology/Psychology, too deep for here.
It comes up in the Bible as well, 72, but the concept of "One God" is reference to 108*, or all three hemispheres of the brain in harmony, or "wisedom/philosophy" per definitions of the Greeks that invented the world.
But its not about switching religions or anything, theyre trying to measure the same thing from vastly different perspectives, not all religions are trying to make "The Supreme Ultimate" or focus on that. Middle Eastern desert religions needed to to solve that Cognition blimdspot in the peoples related to the Book.
Because when he mentioned Moses, I think Ive met that archetype, that bloodline that survived in Israel, via Russia.
I wasnt able to study him much but I suspect he might be 36*, down to one hemiphere, as he was hyper-savant but also almost unable to fully take care of himself and live with elderly parents.
The smell of Moscow is stronk, hit like a wall when you walked in.
>I suspect he might be 36*
Which isnt bad (in normal humans) but he was supposed to be something of a prime arch, like in Warhammer.
It magnifies what you are.
And 108 started 2567 years ago. So the very idea of "plagiarism" is not applicable.
>Allah is the best of all liars
But also concealing itself in plain sight.
They dont do this occult shit for nothing.
>I think I know what this is talking about, and why Islam was a kind of 72* religion, meaning the aspect of man that naturally lies is one its supposed to correct/rebuke.
>the aspect of man that naturally lies is one its supposed to correct/rebuke
Are you for real? Islam is the definition of the lying spirit.
>lying
Your definition of this word and mine are radically different, as I follow this to the level of near Molecular.
What "lying" is in every form it could possibly take, how to lie while telling the truth, etc, and its internal, BioElectric/Phenomenological process as well, hence why I work so much in Cognition.
(I didnt explain it well but was trying to keep this in terms people could understand than "view reality invertedly from an intuitive sense of Pi" or some shit doesnt explain what "Lying" is, even if its related.)
Get your head out of your ass.