>slowly takes away marketshare from Windows and Linux market because it just works and the price isn't ridiculous on the non-Pro machines.
>makes PC laptop users insanely jelly every time a new M-series chip is announces
>Linux projects are already trying to make Linux work on these M-series chips.
>doesn't need a fan to run your daily tasks and runs circles around your hot, smelly Thinkpad
>will be even more powerful and efficient when it gets to M8 or so. Will be godlike when it gets to M10 and up.
>people are IQfy are dying for a non-Mac alternative ARM chip so they can finally have a fanless laptop that runs way better than Intel.
I gotta admit, I see a lot of people waiting to get rid of their insanely hot Intel laptops here.
When can we expect a fanless ARM laptop to replace our dinosaur laptops?
I literally don't care laptops are for losers and trannies.
I work on a Desktop like a real fricking human being not some troony remote indian worker from the Philipines or some wanna loser be hipster in Starbucks.
Holy frick if you do any coding on a laptop execute yourself with a ramstick just cut your neck artery with it.
If you use wireless internet tie a knot around that M3 laptop and throw yourself in a river and hope you die on impact.
Believe it or not there are some people on the planet that need to work in multiple locations and don't have the luxury of being a lazy neet who stays in the same place every single day.
Keep coping, whether you like it or not Apple's ARM CPUs are pretty good and versatile, and destroy any other laptop. I've tried to hate them, but I really can find a reason. I don't use MacOS, and I don't use an M1-3 CPU but I can stop coping and acknowledge that fact.
GTA V
You keep bringing up this decade old game
I think the point is that these wunderchips still can't run said decade-old game properly.
b-b-but my world spanning travel job only requires Safari
You do realise that the most serious work that we all rely on (Industrial controllers, CAD etc.) are mostly done on windows workstations, right? Those usually sit in the company buildings or the workers house and there is not need to move them around every second day. I can totally live without media production macgay but I cant live without engineers.
>Believe it or not there are some people on the planet that need to work in multiple locations and don't have the luxury of being a lazy neet who stays in the same place every single day.
holy cope, literally the same as trannies saying "but hermaphrodites exist so trans are valid".
most people don't fricking need a laptop, I'm sure you also don't, if you're terminally online and need your computer at all time then do the needful indeed.
>but I really can find a reason
I can find many of them because I actually use my fricking computer to do more than spreedsheets and pornhub.
Just because you’re a stuckathome basement dweller doesn’t mean the rest of us are. Believe it or not, some of us have to go places.
Wagie non-remote worker detected. You have my pity
>Implying remote workers don't use laptops
Holy cope. I'm literally chilling in Italy right now, gonna go to the beach after I'm done working on my comfy MacBook pro.
Cringe larp
I have been building computer systems for a long time. The ratio of most power with least noise is the holy grail. The Apple chips are the closest we have gotten to that holy grail. The M series chips being as capable as they are and being fanless is fricking incredible. Sure there are limits to fanless machines, but for everyday use it will be just fine. Not to get into the "you need more" argument....but if your use case requires more than fanless M-series chips are capable of, then you would know that and be looking for different solutions from the start.
>laptops are for losers
That's some advanced cope. Laptops are literally a prime indicator that you have a job, are well connected, have a wife/gf and have a social life if you have one.
If you don't, in 99/100 cases it means you're a NEET or a failure in life. 1/100 is ML researcher/heavy processing where a strong local machine is required, but nowadays most of this is done in the cloud too.
>heavy processing where a strong local machine is required
So you admit that Workstations have more power than those arm macbooks?
>but nowadays most of this is done in the cloud too.
There are certain industries like Computer Aided Design or Heavy Industry that strongly prefer local workflow due to how certain profesions operate. I cant Image monitoring PLCs or doing serious 3D assemblies in the cloud. Not to mention the security implications ,since when you are important part of country's supply chain, it is best to not connect every single computer to the internet.
>So you admit that Workstations have more power than those arm macbooks?
Literally nobody is claiming the opposite you absolute mongoloid. Do you really not understand that the advantage of ARM chips is in the efficiency?
I use a phone. Laptops are ancient boomer tier technology.
you have never worked a day in your life
ARM is a toy CPU, a quick GTA V benchmark will tell you that. The TRUTH is that Apple has neutered their computer with phone CPUs because they wanted to lower BoM and increase their privacy invasion on their users.
This is also why they soldered on the SSD. They REALLY REALLY don't want people to know what is being written to and especially read on them.
The whole CSA debacle ALMOST turned inti an admission of all this but apple chickened out at the last minute.
>ARM is a toy CPU
>a quick GTA V benchmark will tell you that
I don't even play GTA V anymore but the point is that porting things to ARM is like trying to pull your teeth out with tongs.
Until we see 256-bit SIMD ARM will forever remain a toy CPU. Keep in mind that I'm being EXTREMELY generous by assuming that AVX-512 won't become a widely used thing soon.
It works great for software that is actually made for it, i.e. not Gaymes
I was surprised to see the M1 gracefully handle Borderlands 2, though you have to do some configuration file frickery to get BL2 to make it not treat the M1 like an Intel integrated graphics chip, forcibly disabling every graphical feature even though the M1 can handle all of it. You won't get full performance with realtime shadows, but you'll get it with baked shadows which look very very nice (Unreal 3 shadowmaps are kinda ugly).
Really that's about the extent of what it can handle at 60 FPS with stable thermals. Impressive but it'll never be enough for modern games. There's enough negging in this thread already, so I can say that Apple's ARM is genuinely impressive tech, but I doubt it can scale much better and I wish Apple would make something with competent chassis quality and with Steam Proton compatibility.
I also wish Apple would try their hand at a portable gaming console. It wouldn't perform much better than a Steam Deck, if any better at all, but the battery life would be around twice as much given the same workload. But I don't think Apple would ever let it do anything worthwhile, they'd probably make it a walled garden that forces updoots and prevents sideloading (or prevents sideloading with JIT support) like everything else they make. Oh well.
>I also wish Apple would try their hand at a portable gaming console.
I think they are already doing that with the Apple TV by giving it a better chipset so it can do double duty as an entertainment/gaming box while making it way more expensive than most TV boxes. I think one day you're going to see Apple call their next Apple TV a gaming box when they are able to put enough gaming enhancements on the next A series chip.
The iPhone is Apple's portable gaming console.
Mobile gaming makes 3x more money than all the consoles and PC gaming combined.
All it does it browse the internet.
It shits itself when you try to run anything.
Is RAM still soldered?
Use GPU for vector operations.
Half the people in our company use laptops so that they can take them to building sites.
Programming software for GPUs is much much harder than programming software for CPUs. Otherwise SVT-AV1 would be able to encode at 1,000 FPS on an RTX 4090 while outperforming HEVC in compression efficiency.
LOL nobody cares about CPU SIMD instructions anymore. CPUs are slow for that shit
Only until games run off GPUs alone. good luck with that.
>I don't know anything
I know the POWER ISA including what was branded AltiVec. You're fricking clueless. CPUs suck at these operations and don't have to do them, period. SIMD came to exist in an age where GPUs didn't do anything except graphics pipeline acceleration. Eventually they became more general SIMD processors via the shader and new APIs like OpenCL were born. This is ancient history. What, you thought nobody considered adding SIMD to ARM? I guess because you're a genius CPU designer and everyone else is a drooling idiot?
Stop posting; it's embarrassing
LITERALLY the only single thing ARM needs to do to compete with x86 is upgrade from ancient 128-bit SIMD to 256-bit SIMD.
I don't understand why they haven't. IQfy wouldn't shut the frick up about MUH SVE2 years ago.
What the frick happened?
It's literally useless. If you want to move memory use DMA. If you want to SIMD then use a core that does that. Having it in the CPU is fricking moronic. This isn't the 90s anymore
GTA V
>SIMD
>Only used for memory operations
You have a pea for a brain, you know that?
LOL now compare it to SIMD on any fricking GPU
>comparing thousands of Black person cores to a few dozen albert einstein cores
>Comparing x86 to an overrated plagiarist who was mainly famous due to media manipulation
Actually, pretty apt. Well played
You do know part of AVX-512'ss purpose is to close the gap with GPUs? Why do you think you see stuff like vector NN and Bloat16 instructions here? There's no contest that GPUs can still outdo CPUs on a silicon area basis but the purpose is to be able to GPU things on the cheap without needing to shell out GPU money to fund Jensen's cocaine habit.
If that was it's purpose it failed miserably lol
Says the guy that is clueless.
https://medium.com/@amerather_9719/intel-optimization-at-netflix-79ef0efb9d2
LOL, if you want a legit comparison you have to compare it to Apple silicon or picrel. Intel telling people to use their shitty CPU because they can't provide other kinds of cores isn't a selling point
>conversation was about the merits of having AVX-512 and SIMD
>move to saying it isn't comparable if you don't use consumer CPUs
I consider the conversation over with your attempt to strawman and red herring me, have a horrible day.
what if I need a high precision float number that is longer than 16bit long?
>arm is a toy!
>it doesn't run my toy!
RETIRE!!!
>video games as a reference for anything
Anon once you grow up and start making money, maybe you could afford one and stop seething.
You speak like someone who takes it up the ass.
>says the gaymer
Cool story bro
Dude, you're a subhuman, no one cares about your twitter virtue signaling simulated post.
Whatever you're inhaling... I want some.
Isn't it odd that of certain servers go down, toy macbooks can't launch any software?
Haven't seen that problem, myself.
[citation needed]
>ARM is a toy CPU, a quick GTA V benchmark will tell you that
GTA V is a toy
Your favorite computer can't even play a toy then
>non-Pro machines
so Air?
that's a minimum of $1100
why not just get pic related instead?
>battery dies after 3 hours
hard nope
dies after 3 hours
Lasts about 5 hours on Linux with max brightness (this is not this model though, I'm on an i5-1240p with OLED 2.8k). Just consuming media / firefox though and stuff like that.
Inaccurate, Zenbooks are really rather quiet. They are also made of aluminium. The only disadvantage is they don't feel as premium as Macbooks. The resolution is basically identical to a Macbook Pro 14 and you can have 90hz set statically.
>opens firefox
>fans spin so fast the laptop starts hovering above my lap.
POO
It's a feature to keep your hands warm on cold environments, or maybe you are holding it wrong.
You're using it wrong! You're not supposed to use software video encoding with higher compression efficiency. You're supposed to use hardware accelerated video encoding that looks like smeared shit below 10 Mbps.
>highest temps in the history of computing
Wrong
>open youtube
>fans spin up so hard the laptop is airborne
>so much heat the airplane passengers get heatstrokes
>luckily the battery dies during the first commercial and you get to your destination in one piece
The MacBook Air lasts half a day while keeping the same performance unplugged or not and solid aluminum means no breakdowns for years
there is no doubt in my mind that you believe those (for the most part) delusions.
Imagine using a cpu with upatchable publicly known vulnerability
>slowly shits in the street
Jesus, do Apple engineers not know about limiting power draw based on thermals? And would it kill them to add one little fan?
The fanless gimmick matters more than any practical use case.
Apple is a fashion accessory not a computer you use to do actual work.
They want to honor Steve Jobs' autistic hatred for fans.
you’ll need to step up to the Pro model if you need a sophisticated fan-based cooling solution, goy :^)
my 2015 macbook pro has PL1 set to 150W by apple. so it hits 100c all the time. you need third party software to lower the power limits.
The 14 inch MacBook Pro with M3 has a fan
I would prefer that over the air because of the 120Hz screen and better speakers
Also higher resolution
>have to close lid to use more than 1 monitor
>run video render
>keycaps melt
>"user error"
It's brilliant to make money, really.
>do Apple engineers not know about limiting power draw based on thermals?
Yes but if they limited it to 5W as they should it would perform like utter dogshit (M2 is just about 3% more efficient than Zen 4) so they can't advertise performance, so they limit it 30W, yes, THIRTY WATTS, with no fan, for the mememarks.
Man. All they have to do is limit it to like, 25W. Also don't allow the thing to run with the screen closed jfc moron engineering
>All they have to do is limit it to like, 25W.
2.5W
>iToddlers
>talking shit about anything else overheating
Holy projection
Here's a laptop which I personally confirmed lets the CPU draw up to 30 watts at full load just like the Macbook Air does.
NOTICE A FRICKING DIFFERENCE?
It has a very shiny slab of pretty metal, I wonder what it's there for? Hmmmm. Makes you think.
otoh, I'm not sure what this image is pointing out.
>It has a very shiny slab of pretty metal, I wonder what it's there for?
EMI shield over RAM and SSD of dubious efficacy.
>I'm not sure what this image is pointing out.
30W CPU with tinfoil heatspreader
Anyone else made that, they'd be fricking shit on relentlessly.
Damn OP... That guy destroyed you... There can be no recovery from these arguments... It's literally over
>a phone ARM chip that melts peoples keyboard
lmao
>it just works and the price isn't ridiculous
stopped reading there
>just works
>has literally no useful software
Just say you like new and shiny stuff like some moronic bird.
I know something else that is hot and smelly but belongs to your mom
I like the smell of thinkpads
>slowly
yea so slow it's not even on the radar.
ARM chips suck for development. They are fine for regular people who just use their computer like a phone (web browsing only)
>ARM chips suck for development
Literally every developer aside from those who need resource intensive stuff (namely 3d-heavy stuff like game devs or local LM or similar) is switching to MacBooks because they're tired of winshit and/or shitty overheating bloated Intel laptops.
Shut up pajeet
who the frick is doing gamedev on their laptops?
what self respecting developer doesn't have a dedicated build machine anyway?
nah, it's fine to develop ios and macos apps too (you will need minimum the 16gb version), xcode is going to be buggy and run slow but it does the same on all hardware, and if what
say is true will also be the fastest way to melt your keyboard.
Do you have ANY idea how much of a suicide mission it is to optimize for 8 CPU cores without avx2 vs 2 CPU cores with avx2?
I said "ios and macos apps," for me apps are below proper software so it doesn't really matter, use Objective-C or now Swift and it's not hard at all to put an app together, AN APP, just made for morons, that's your target audience on apple devices anyway.
most Indians use android, Windows and linux stupid fricking trannoid
This is one of those persistent old memes on here that has never made sense and no one can ever explain, but will never die. Poos can’t afford any of this shit lol.
its 1 schizophrenic monitoring the catalog and spamming it on the sight of apple products being mentioned
yes but they are obsessed by it as a status symbol, which is the reason they call anyone who doesn't have one poor even though every 14 year old in the frost world has one
>which is the reason they call anyone who doesn't have one poor
You aren't poor you just don't have a job. Most people who can't afford a MacBook still have and use one because they get it provided by their job. Although by logical conclusion they'll be able to afford one anyway then
Long story short: you're a NEET
fanless, quiet and long battery life are all nice features for sure, but my stinkpad is already quiet in light office use and the battery lasts 9 hours, which is more than i could ever need from a laptop.
>and the price isn't ridiculous on the non-Pro machines.
you must be kidding.
>macbook air m3
>1GB RAM
>512GB SSD
>1759€
yeah price is not ridiculous... shut the frick up
>the price isn't ridiculous
Unless you want more than 8gb ram and 256gb ssd, then thinks start getting expensive really fast.
Indeed, Apple charges $400 extra for 32GB. My WHOLE computer with 32GB cost me $400.
>8gb desktop PC in 2024
good fricking god they cant keep getting away with it
>just works
Not the experience my co-workers had for actual work ¯_(ツ)_/¯
A week ago a unpatchable security flaw was found in apple shit. Mitigation will cause a major performance hit.
>A week ago a unpatchable security flaw was found in apple shit. Mitigation will cause a major performance hit.
Who cares? Nobody bought the M1 because it was basically beta-tier. People are going to buy the M7, M8, M9, etc.
I wish they'd bring back the 12 inch MacBook
Apple Silicon would solve half the problems the last 12 inch model had. Hopefully they don't cheap out so much on IO again, but I imagine they probably will.
ARM is a failure.
>ARM is a failure, says increasingly nervous NEET while Linux and Windows devs scramble to make their OSes arm-compatible
see
But to be fair getting the goyim to rent x86 computer over the internet (ie the cloud) is a pretty lucrative business. Not just for gay men but a wet dream for a police state.
Linux has been "arm compatible" for a long time, and doesn't rely on emulating x86 for much of its ecosystem, itoddler.
The problem is that the kernels and accelerated GPU drivers you brainlet, as well as software that's missing for ARM
Imagine insulting others without even knowing what you're talking about
> as software that's missing for ARM
Name it. What is the show-stopping program that is missing arm support?
>Name it. What is the show-stopping program that is missing arm support?
nobody will answer this because everybody raced to get arm support done when the M1 came out and there's even Linux projects to make the M series work for Linux and even common freetard software is doing M series support.
Even before then, the Raspberry Pi was a big target for linux package support
ffmpeg dogshit slow on arm
it has lots of x86 specific optimizations
m1 can't even beat 10 yo haswell cpus in ffmpeg
>ffmpeg dogshit slow on arm
I get pretty consistent results with Handbrake compared to Cinebench scores of the different CPUs I use. (8th Gen i3, M1, 5700x)
>not using videotoolbox
hardware encoder sucks
nah, it's good enough
Not really. It's functional if you have some sort video you want to send to a friend or just converting it into a format that your software supports but completely useless for anything you'd want to store.
And intel's been on the same process for how long? How are those minor intel performance gains working out for you?
Nobody is "jelly" over hardware unless they failed at life because anyone who wants Apple can buy one and add it to their existing fleet then use it for whatever it's useful for to them.
The price is couch money for anyone working in tech and if you're not working in tech then a computer is just a toy interchangeable with other toys. I don't even like Apple but the rivalry is teentarded and irrelevant to real life where people don't interact in meatspace and can curate their online interaction.
armshit device that apple memes with for a couple of years until they announce their next big jump to $architecture
What happens in the summer, when Qualcomm has shipping Snapdragon boxes on their new chip?
A light arm laptop to carry on for presentations that still have good enough performance doesn't sound bad, but probably they'll cost premium too.
Have you looked at the pricing of a Lenovo X1 Gen 12? That's premium for a DOS box.
https://9to5mac.com/2024/03/22/unpatchable-security-flaw-mac/
ohnonono
>price isn't ridiculous on the non-Pro machines
Asking $700+ for 8 gigs of memory and 256GB of storage without any upgrade path is downright criminal. That's what cheap chinese phones come with.
1 - Is the screen refresh (in hardware) 10 Hz? Or, is Apple Silicon lowering refresh rates when possible, to preserve battery life?
2 - the only FAA banned device was a Samsung phone.
3 - I have a MacBook Pro M1. I've yet to see a screen crack.
4 - I'm not happy about the soldered SSD, either.
normal refresh rate, but abysmal response time that makes it completely fricking pointless
Now name one practical application for it, when most content people work on is still-images, Satan?
gamezzz
POO
https://www.avsax.com/news/here-s-the-full-list-of-airlines-that-have-now-banned-the-macbook-pro
Desktop Linux lost to the Mac years ago.
Yeah it's so good that a while back and after 6 months using mac I decided to install linux on it cause macOS was fricking unbearable.
Posted from a mac mini using plasma 6 (plasma 5 was better but they'll eventually put their shit together with 6 too, still beats sonoma any day)
Linux is going to become a gaming and autism ONLY OS in the future. Macs and Chromebooks will dominate laptop computers and Windows will exist for corporations, professional work, and morons.
>Linux is going to become a gaming and autism ONLY OS in the future.
You mean Arch will become more widespread?
In the sense that Valve will publish an Arch based distro that works OOB as well as Windows, yes. If you mean that everyone gaming on PC is going to build their Arch system from the ground up, then absolutely not. The option will always exist for those people though.
The M-series processors are perfect for Mac users because outside of webbrowsing and email Mac-only users don't do actual work
I picked up an M1 Mini when they came out (to get familiar with MacOS again) and use it to remote into other machines that actual do work. I got 16GB of RAM so it isn't swapping itself to death but with a pretty base install I come into work and it has either frozen or rebooted due to a kernel panic every week or two. I run Slack/Webex softphone on it and Webex seems to make Slack beachball and crash out- I'm guessing over some conflict between the two over touching my Jabra headset.
MacOS is just as bad as I remember it over the last 2+ decades. It's amazing that finder is still the worst file browser ever made and nothing has been done to improve it. Enterprise printing basically doesn't work. Outside of all that it doesn't feel slow but I'm not doing anything besides phone/mail/chat/webbrowser on the Mac itself. I remote into Windows servers/boxes and Linux servers to do anything that might actually stress a system.
I think the Macbooks would be good if they cost 50% less. As it is, they're the same as they've ever been; status symbols for pedophiles and openstack developers (but I repeat myself). anyway delete thread
I love how finder lets you have folders on top, but only when using alphabetical sort.
why?, just why can't I have windows on top on a folder sorted by date?
also it crashes on a samba share that has more than ~1200 files on it.
and tags doesn't work on all directories, same for favorites that for some directories are quite buggy.
>Unpatchable Vulnerability in Apple MacBooks is Leaking Secret Encryption Keys
Ars Technica
>Apple MacBooks have been powered by in-house Apple silicon Arm-based M-series chips since 2020
>A newly discovered vulnerability called as GoFetch flaw in Apple's M1, M2, and M3 chips in MacBooks allows attackers to extract secret security keys from Macs, thus breaking encryption
>GoFetch is a "microarchitectural side-channel attack" and affects a part of Apple's chips called the Data Memory-dependent Prefetcher (DMP), which is used to speed up operations.
>The flaw CANNOT be fixed as it relates to the actual hardware design of these chips.
>Apple was notified of the flaw in December 2023 & it will need to make hardware changes to future M-series chips to fix the vulnerability.
>Intel's 13th generation Raptor Lake chips also have a DMP but "its activation criteria are more restrictive, making it robust to our attacks."
Enjoy getting hacked
This is unfortunate. I would think this is mitigated by not installing pirated software or being tricked into clicking installer links. That a patch hasn't been released yet? is troubling.
Only affects firecores so it should be an easy fix
Reminder that Apple makes laptops limited to 1 (one) external display.
Even the Raspberry Pi supports two external displays, both at 4k.
Only cattle buy Apple.
2 external if you close the laptop!
there's no need to close anything on the Pi...
I'll never use arm outside of a phone just like I'll never use wayland. Not using your meme tech.
>I'll never use arm outside of a phone just like I'll never use wayland.
Nobody cares about your dinosaur CPUs anymore, luddite.
>When can we expect a fanless ARM laptop to replace our dinosaur laptops?
It already has.
I CANT EVEN TALK SHIT ABOUT THEM ANYMORE
APPLE FRICKING WON
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY MONOPOLISTIC PRACTICES THE GOVERNMENT DISMANTLES
THE COMPETITION IS JUST TOO INCOMPETENT TO CATCH UP
yeah pretty much every other company just follows what they do to see if they can profit as well
>the price isn't ridiculous on the non-Pro machines
>wow, MBA is dirt cheap at 1.1k, all I need is to upgrade the storage a bit to something usable
>+800 bucks, goy
I've awaited ARM desktops since the Motorola ATRIX 4G and the Surface RT broke the seal. It's been 13 years and we're still not there, even with Apple making hipsters buy in. The future is bright and it won't be thanks to them.
M1 Mac Mini has been out for almost half a decade and it does more than 95% will ever need from a desktop.
It also has an unpatchable hardware exploit that will cost you everything you will need to buy a desktop.
>you need to install an unsigned app to be at risk
A nothingburger.
>When can we expect a fanless ARM laptop to replace our dinosaur laptops?
In about 150 years at the current rate.
read the post im replying to moron it's about pajeets
no most jobs don't provide a macbook, a buisness laptop is far more common. what fantasy job do you live in? stop projecting jobless slob
they arent taking marketshare at all with trash like this my guy
ethernet is $30 extra
>being poor
>poor
a pc with 4x the specs is the same price you mong
Not once you add a monitor as good as the ones they put in the iMac. It's still a stupid product because once the computer is obsolete the display becomes useless, but they are justified in charging that price for the complete package.
The hardware is fine but the complete package is very weird, since it's basically for receptionists and your mom due being stuck to the screen.
And once you add storage/RAM upgrades, the price becomes completely idiotic. Did they at least fix the keyboard now? M1 iMac one didn't even have backlight.
I think if you add any upgrades to an iMac you're probably buying the wrong computer. The Mac mini with the same specs is typically half the price, the iMac only exists to look nice (both the hardware and the display).
Apple's keyboards aren't backlit. I don't see that as a problem because I don't think anyone using their desktop in a dark basement is buying an iMac.
also, you dont need a backlit keyboard if you actually learn to properly touch-type
>I think if you add any upgrades to an iMac you're probably buying the wrong computer.
I mean, yeah, I agree but the pic at start of the discussion got storage and RAM upgrades.
>I don't think anyone using their desktop in a dark basement is buying an iMac.
Shit-tier excuse for not including basic ass functionality any 10 bucks keyboard has. Touch-type still requires you to locate the keyboard in the dark, so doesn't solve the problem either. Apple themselves know that it's basic ass functionality hence even Magic Keyboard for iPad has it.
Apple have a pretty clear position, they put a backlight in portable keyboards and they don't put one in desktop keyboards. I guess they assume your permanent desk will actually have lighting already.
Not too environmental of them.
Anon, does your house not already have lights
Why would I use lights when I don't need to aka. working on a computer? It's a waste of power and only attracts bugs and similar shit.
>house light attracts bugs
Rajesh detected
In what sort of paradise do you live without some shit flying around, the north pole?
I have central heating and air, thus I dont need to open my windows. If I choose to open them, they have screens on them.
Don't you want like … fresh air?
hosues do have fresh air exchange, but you can always open the windows...thats what the screens are for
You can mod a 27” 5k iMac into a monitor that’s basically the same thing as their $1600 studio display with a $150 board from aliexpress. That’s what I plan to do with my 2015 iMac when Apple gets off their ass and releases the m3 mac studio so I can finally upgrade.
Doesn't 27" only come with a useless Incel CPU?
>the least deluded macgay
Look anons you can cope and make fun of apples business model (expensive upgrades to get from the base tier to a decent machine), but if I needed a laptop that lasts long, is very performant, doesn't feel like a hot pocket in your lap, isn't clunky as frick and keeps quiet, what would you recommend instead?
Because a MacBook pro sure is one of those laptops.
If you dont do sustained workloads like rendering...you dont even really need a macbook pro. The air will do everything you need and be silent since its fanless
I need lots of RAM and decent processing power for device emulation so I do in fact need a pro
>doing non-laptop workloads on laptops
dont do this, use the right machine for the right job
And yet, my pro handles that shit without problems while not even getting hot or draining its battery within 2 hours. I feel like some people really don't understand how powerful these things are
who hurt you, anon? were you bullied by an indian dude at school? kek
Let me guess, you're a 'new friend' to Canada?
I'm going to wait for M10 before I even think of buying a Macbook Air.
>I gotta admit, I see a lot of people waiting to get rid of their insanely hot Intel laptops here.
Yeah, I'm sure they want to buy an Apple egg frier which runs at over 100C and has no cooling fan.
projects are already trying to make Linux work on these M-series chips.
Shouldn't that read "Mac users are already trying to make Linux work in these M-series chips."?
It comes with a productive BSD out of the box, I'm in no hurry to change anything. I'm still enthusiastic about Linux on them though, because once it's fully usable as a daily driver on a MacBook Pro, IQfy might be forced to admit that the hardware is actually good
I'm tired of this Apple horseshit.
What do vaxxers, round earthers, defenders of the official account of 9/11, and anti Apple activism all have in common? All of them are characterized by a welcoming acceptance of facts that they are victims of a totalitarian authority. In the case of Apple, the “totalitarian authority” are a bunch of greedy salesmen who have devoted tens of thousands of highly paid hours towards making you pay out your arse for the smallest upgrades. “Apple sucks!” is a proven theory with a basis in undeniable truth, and its supporters have spent years belittling Apple employees, developers, and users. And it’s our responsibility to never make this fricking stop.
Apple works for almost no one, and works for less people than is even possible with Linux. Most of the truthful attestations you’ve heard about that it’s cucked are just that: the blunt truth. And if you insist on living the dream, then keep hating on Apple, champ!
least schizo apple hater
>sent from my iPhone
My 14in m2 laptop is the best computer i ever owned.
i probably wasted 1y of my life trying to fix stupid linux shit.
For IQfytards who can't fathom why anybody would use a Mac, here's a short explanation:
Imagine you have a job (i know you never had one, but just imagine for a second). It's comfy, wfh but you still want to be mobile so you can work from the couch or pop into the office if needed. Also, your company pays for it.
Now you do like Linux, but all that tinkering annoys the frick out of you, it randomly crashes from time to time, plus using all the regular non dev work tools like office and teams is a pain in the ass on Linux. And winshit is an absolute nightmare to develop on as soon as you deviate from basic babby tier preset IDE projects.
What if there was an OS that has almost all of the dev advantages of Linux, but none of the headaches, AND you can use all the regular software from Windows on it as well? That's MacOS.
Now for the hardware. You need something performant, compiling shouldn't take 20 minutes. But you still want it to be a laptop, not a fricking workstation. So far you've had the experience of two types of laptops: a clunky, extremely loud and heavy one but performant, or a sleek light one but a shitbox.
What if there was a laptop that is performant enough to handle most compilation and programming related tasks very easily, from launching IDEs and dev environments to compiling massive projects, but still be quiet, sleek and light? That's a MacBook Pro.
And there you have it folks, this is why more and more devs nowadays use them.
For IQfytards who can't fathom why anybody would use a Mac, here's a short explanation:
Imagine you want an OS that has no proper window management, where the easiest way to manage multiple apps ootb is moving every window to a new desktop and you need extra 3rd party apps for every little thing that should be built in like window snapping or proper alt+tab or even have windows always on top.
Imagine you need to rename files more often than opening them so you prefer to rename using enter and open using cmd+o
imagine you don't ever want to access a samba share with more than 1200 files so you'd prefer the built in file explorer to crash in those cases.
Imagine you want to not have internet connection and Bluetooth after a a big update for no reason at all (thx sonoma)
Imagine that its "Nº1 Developers tools" have 2.5 starts from a scale of 1 to 5
And there you have it folks, this is why more and more devs nowadays use them.
Oh, no wait, I develop for it cause it's easier to get money from appletards not cause I actually like the macOS or iOS.
>Personal pain points include a software that literally nobody is forced to use and minor quirks that can be resolved by two or three "brew install" commands and 4-5 minutes of effort
The cope really is hilarious
software that literally nobody is forced to use
>If you want to publish to the store you have to use xCode.
>Having the system more broken after installing sonoma than a kde 6.0 is good.
>Having finder shit itself trying to access a samba share is great
>Finder not letting you have folders on top in any sort order except alphabetical make perfect sense
MacOS is a toy os, the only thing good is how it looks, but any other DE is more usable, windows and most linux distros are way better than it, and for some reason it's getting worse, they are removing features while still having more bugs on new releases, and that's not a personal point they already admitted it on both macOS and iOS, we'll see if they'll properly test things in the future cause there's no excuse for not doing it with such a limited hardware support.
>Microsoft properly testing things
The thing is microsoft does not properly test, yet they still have to support millions of hardware combinations.
MacOS with quite small subset of hardware don't bother to do it and you end with random restarts fricked Bluetooth no WiFi connection and couldn't use my printer till they make two minor updates after sonoma... that was great for productivity.
>mission critical but relies on Wifi/Bluetooth
>printers
>autism window management
I dont think you should be using computers at all, its pretty clear you dont know what you are doing
ethernet wasn't working either got fixed temporary by deleting all connections and creating them again, then failed again after a few minutes, at some point doing the same did the trick and started working again.
Surely i was holding it wrong.
You don't need to use xcode to publish to the app store, multiple CLI options exist (and Transporter).
I've also never had macOS just break on me during an update, but then I'm not installing 8000 autistic window management extensions
Lucky you, search on google, I tried a clean install and was still quite fricked, they had to fix a lot of stuff on minor updates after sonoma release and for me it has been the worse update ever on any OS I've used.
Had to use the mac keyboard for it cause recovery mode was getting stuck for some layout or locale issue on my usual keyboard (also fixed after a few minor updates)
I actually agree that the quality of 1.0 releases of macOS is bad these days, but if you're using one as a work machine you shouldn't install those on release anyway. Every .0.1 release has been fine.
yeah we had to update xCode can't even remember the reason and deal with the shitty update.
But turns out the apple fanboys says having your system broken is actually a great apple feature, and not being able to print is what apple intended too, go figure.
You don't need to update Xcode at release. The iOS 17 SDK only becomes required at the end of this month.
Funny thing about Samba being broken, I believe they outsourced that to Microsoft like their AD support.
Well I didn't bought my mac to Microsoft but apple, As a client I don't fricking care where apple outsources their work but I expect things to work and if they don't the responsibility if on them.
**the responsibility *is* on them.
>Imagine you need to rename files more often than opening them so you prefer to rename using enter and open using cmd+o
Imagine basing an entire OS choice on this reason.
reasons.
>advantages
none
>disadvantages
Quite a list, that's solely one of many
I also hate how you can't launch apps with arguments from the dock without shitty side effects (like having two icons in the dock or having it overwrite every time the app updates)
Bait, as a regular employee you use whatever your employer gives you and you are discouraged on using personal devices for work due to security reasons. The only kind of worker that uses it's own devices are contractors, consultants or israelitetubers, which I'm certain the LARPers shilling Apple garbage are not any of those.
Mind you, they are nothing special, just a machine with a large battery life and unix tools installed by default.
No tinkering needed on Ubuntu if you want to use it like a Mac. Been using this same install from 19.04 to 23.10.
The same tired arguments against apple because some poorgay thinks his laptop should last 20 years and will need that extra ram sometime in 2034. You can tell most of you haven't actually used a imac or mbp for more then 10 mins to appreciate how much better it is if you do anything besides play games all day.
Most of the posts here about Apple products are just advertising. There isn't much to say about them so you come and post an apple promotional image and some blurb of text then get btfo and get mad about it. Just stop posting about it here. how hard is that?
are IQfy are dying for a non-Mac alternative ARM chip so they can finally have a fanless laptop that runs way better than Intel.
this will never happen with Linux. M3 is so fast because of the many hardware accelerators available and the very tight coupling Apple has with the OS its impossible on Linux. MS also won't do it because they have a history of half assing shit for consumers.
Maybe Google could step in via Chromebooks but they are way too greedy and focus a different niche.
>MS also won't do it because they have a history of half assing shit for consumers.
They are already doing it but as you correctly recognized they will half ass it and frick it up kek
ARM Chromebooks are already pretty good.
If only Apple was a good brand... Ask Louis.
Did he ever post a correction for that time he made an hour-long angry video saying apple had secretly rolled out a CP scanner because he didn't know what mediaanalysisd does (it scans your photo library metadata for spotlight and has been there for a decade)
>fanless
lol
lmao even
you've never tried to compile chromium on something without a fan, huh buddy?
I just don't have these problems. I can't even replicate the problems people seem to have in these threads. Now samba shares and search, wtf is apple thinking. that has always been a dumpster fire.
I'm using path finder now, and same stuff finder crashes or can't do path finder does just fine, it not a great file explorer nor even fast compared to windows explorer or the myriad of file explorers on linux but still way better than finder.
I swear Apple occasionally picks something and completely fricks it up, like its almost on purpose. Samba shares, Homekit, iCloud email, lightning mouse, making the best consumer wifi router and then just exiting the market, etc. Its totally an arm chair theory, but I think they do this on certain things in order to really avoid the monopoly claims...not counting the meme lawsuit
I still don't know why they removed the hide option on startup apps, I hear that sometimes it didn't work, but then why don't fix it instead of removing it?
>see people talking in here about some weird samba thingy like it's a common use case
>read up on it
>It's some shitty ancient file sharing service between winshit and Unix
The absolute state kek
Good morning, Pookesh
Winbabs aren’t buying pajeetbooks
I know a lot of Windows users that bought a Mac and never came back. Like 1/4 of my friends have done this since the iPhone came out. The iPhone has introduced more people to the Mac ecosystem than anything else and then those people tell other people to buy a Mac. Before this, almost everybody I know had a PC but in many parts of the US, Apple has taken a good chunk of the marketshare. The only thing keeping Apple from taking more marketshare is their prices which is why they are pushing the Macbook Air aggressively.
But they kinda are though, and that's at what Windows is actually good at. It doesn't have premium stuff because the manufacturers are always fricking up some crucial part but if I just wanted to get a laptop, some cheapo AMD-book would be a reasonable option.
got a r5 5700u laptop and it does its job
NGL I'd buy one if linux worked on it properly. I tried using Mac OS and while it is very pretty, it's also the most unusable piece of shit OS I've ever seen.
>it's also the most unusable piece of shit OS
What's so unusable about it?
Its so simple to use that doing something advanced is actually more tedious than it should be
This is a really moronic response.
How about listing some things that make it unusable.
That is actually correct though. It is so dumbed down that doing something advanced takes more effort than you would need on Linux or Windows.
An example please?
Not him, but I have a few.
>In finder you can't have windows on top (or bottom) unless using alphabetical sort, it won't work on any other sorting method.
>Alt+tab in macOS is worse than alt + tab on windows 95, it's horrible for multiple windows of same app, for minimized windows and for everything else.
>Tiling windows is a mess, you have to press option and the green button and then chose, ie, right, then do the same for the other window and chose left and if now you want to give more space to the right one you have to resize the right one and then the left one too cause it wont resize both windows at the same time
>Laugh but using enter to execute a command or open an app on all places except finder feels inconsistent.
>If you want to launch an app from the dock with some arguments you just can't**
>In most software I've used that has a lot of shortcuts there's usually a filter or search, on macOS there's no search or filter for shortcuts and some of them are inside a sub-menu, it's not really bad but inconvenient.
>They removed the hide option on startup apps
>Afaik there's no way to set windows to stay on top
There's more but that are the ones that I can tell off the top of my head.
Some of the issues (and I haven't mentioned bugs just lack of features or badly implemented/weird designed ones) can be fixed using 3rd party apps, but in a work device you wont be always permitted to install them.
** I reality there's a few ways but all have its own problems
>Create a script that runs the app with arguments (you can't add scripts to the dock) convert the script to app (easy and you can set the icon to be the same as the app you want to run) looks nice but when you open the app you now have two icons one for the script one for the app.
>Modify the app package to run with your given arguments, just works but gets overwritten every time the app updates
There's no cut in finder (file manager)
If you want to tile apps in fullscreen you can just put one fullscreen then drag the other onto its left side in Expose or whatever it's called now (the thing that appears when you swipe up with three fingers or press Ctrl+up).
You can put shortcuts in the dock and those can run apps, although it doesn't solve your two icons problem. Running a GUI app with custom arguments every time is sort of niche though and I'm not sure how you'd solve it with how the dock works.
The menu shows keyboard shortcuts and you can search it from the help menu.
But why not add window snapping?, it works for windows and linux just fine It's fast and easy to use and if you don't have a better alternative is a no brainer not to add it.
Fullscreen mode exists and lets you put two apps side by side with a bar in the middle that resizes both at the same time, which solves the most common use case of maximising the visible space for two apps on a small screen.
Can I have two on one side one on the other?
No, for anything more advanced than two apps you need to go download some autistic tiling software. Rectangle can do that for free. Strangely the iPad actually has this functionality in Stage Manager but macOS does not.
That's why I said that if you don't have a better/faster way to do it is a no brainer not to just do the same that everyone else.
Is like when swift removed the ++ cause it's a Cism, so what?!
>why not add window snapping?
Macos is mostly used on laptops where the main workflow is quickly switching between windows with three fingers (quicker than alt tabbing) instead of having windows side by side. And for that there's also an option, just more hidden. For anything more advanced, you just use a third party
Maxmizing and basic window management are not intended behavior on macOS.
>Maxmizing and basic window management
Both are there. Maximizing just double click the window, left right snapping just drag it
NOT
INTENDED
BEHAVIOR
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FULLSCREEN IT
YOU WILL FULLSCREEN ZE WINDOW, GOY
What the frick are you talking about anon, stop with the shizobabble
Oh, yes the very consistent double click the window
>Macos ensures chrome superiority by default
>This is a bad thing
Nice self-defeating argument there, bucko
That's because macOS doesn't have maximize, it has "zoom", which tries to enlarge (or sometimes shrink) the window to fit the content. It's actually Chrome that's doing it wrong here by Mac conventions
There is a big green button in the corner of every window that makes it fill your screen anon.
It actually used to be substantially weirder, it was a "zoom" button and would resize the window to fit its content, except in some apps it just made them fill the screen instead
Windows were a mistake
> non-Mac ARM chip
Pffft, I'm waiting for RISK-V. Open or bust.
Enjoy waiting. You will be middle age by then.
I'm already 30. I don't mind waiting anymore. Currently waiting for my perfect monitor and second iteration of Valve VR.
You’re in for a long wait.
I turned down an upgrade from my work for m1 and m2 macbooks, still rocking the Intel version. Sorry but I don't need your arm homosexualry x86 is the goat.
>x86 is the goat.
not for long
256-bit SIMD on ARM SOON (tm)?
See
Never. The fanless macbooks are gutless low-power pieces of shit. They have long battery life and are light, that's it. If you want a mobile workstation (i.e. a laptop that you generally plug in to use, that you expect high performance from, and that you need to be able to use in different locations which is why you're using a laptop instead of a desktop), there are macbooks that fit that bill... but they have fans. And aren't as powerful as a high-end Thinkpad.
>doesn't need a fan to run your daily tasks and runs circles around your hot, smelly Thinkpad
>When can we expect a fanless ARM laptop to replace our dinosaur laptops?
I'm using a ThinkPad X13s, which uses a Snapdragon 8cx gen 3 and 16 GB ram. Running OpenSuSE Tumbleweed. It just works other than webcam.
>Snapdragon 8cx gen 3
Does that thing even match A12Z in muh iPad Pro?
why does nobody mention the fact you cant use the native resolution on a mac without literally installing 3rd party software
Because most people would never need to go beyond the normal settings. 1200p is stretching reasonable on a 14" screen.
they sell 16" macbooks now, and really its not stretching reasonable. 1080p is fine on my 12" dell and people with 13-14" macbooks LITERALLY cant even use a comprimal resolution.
You literally cannot actually display a 1920x1080 or even 1920x1200 image on a mac at native without downloading 3rd party software
thats clown world, stop defending it
Why do you have a fetish for 1080p? I play 1080p movies just fine on my Mac, but that's a terrible resolution for actual work
Not sure if joking.
It's not like someone buying a 16" has the eye-sight to go beyond retina resolutions. On the others it's fine, aside of 12", there they went a bit too limited with 1440*900 as the highest.
Though I guess you can argue that given the option to change resolution already exists, there isn't much of a point not to allow more. And it kinda goes against the huge Apple advantage of not needing 3rd party shit for most things. Just practically, most people would never care to use it anyway.
found the one guy who loves his 1366x768 laptops
Not at all, 1200p is the minimum but there is also no point to go beyond that on normal screen sizes.
x86 will finally die. Fricking insane load one-byte-at-a-time bullshit ISA should have died in the 90s but didn't because you shitty copy of TurboTax only ran on a PS2 compatible
Isn't the fix for their latest security fiasco reduce its performance by 50%?
>non pro models are cheap
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Timestamped because I know you are a moron.