So what exactly was bad about the Ottoman Empire?

They didn't force conversions to their religion, they didn't exploit the wealth of their subjugates the same way Europeans did, and they even attempted to helped the Irish. Yet they are still seen as a bane to humanity by Balkans, Levant, and Western Europeans. Why is that?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are Turks.
    That's enough reason to hate them.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing.
    They were benevolent heirs of the Roman Empire.
    Enlightened and cultured civilization.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you directing your attacks at Europeans when the main hatred against Ottomans in the modern era comes from Sunni Arabs seething about having to bow to a Turkish caliphate?

    Anyway, they weren’t brutal (as the Arab caliphates) but their leadership appeared decadent and out of touch.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know castrating 5 year olds and raping them is a good way to make people hate you

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    way past its prime when it reached its "greatest extent". The Ottomans peaked early (Suleyman's reign). After Malta the writing was on the wall. They could have still kept their Middle Eastern possessions along with the caliphate after WWI but eternal Anglo had other plans.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Balkan Nationalism mostly. For the time they weren't bad to their subjects and by that I mean they at least let them practice their religion without coercing their religion on them. But by the 19th and 20th century the Ottoman Empire was way past its age and was really backwards in everything.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They literally stole male children from their Christian subjects and raised them as islamic slaves.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I find it interesting how powerful janissaries became in Ottoman society at several points.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They become janissary and that the reason why ottoman fell too cause at one point many ottoman sultan become puppet of janissary. Christian killed Muslim empire from within.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were castrated in order to stop them from fricking muslimas

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >castrated
          that's the Unsullied from GoT and black eunuchs guarding the harem. Janissaries were never castrated. They were circumcized at the age of 7-9 though. Turks still do late circumcision for some reason, usually after first grade. Maybe it has to do with Janissary culture.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They were castrated in order to stop them from fricking muslimas

        Janissaries weren't castrated, the people who were castrated were sex slaves or to-be bureaucrats.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >slaves
      do these dudes look chained and whipped to you? They controlled the empire for over 2 centuries. Turks were often jealous of their power and privilege, even noble ones like the Sipahis. Some Turkish speakers today even argue that they were never considered slaves to begin with. Something to do with the words "kul" and "küle" being different. At any rate, they were sworn to the Porte (the dynasty) and had no qualms about getting rid of a couple of sultans who did not comply with their demands.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They become janissary and that the reason why ottoman fell too cause at one point many ottoman sultan become puppet of janissary. Christian killed Muslim empire from within.

      https://i.imgur.com/t0uE3Ou.jpeg

      >slaves
      do these dudes look chained and whipped to you? They controlled the empire for over 2 centuries. Turks were often jealous of their power and privilege, even noble ones like the Sipahis. Some Turkish speakers today even argue that they were never considered slaves to begin with. Something to do with the words "kul" and "küle" being different. At any rate, they were sworn to the Porte (the dynasty) and had no qualms about getting rid of a couple of sultans who did not comply with their demands.

      They were castrated in order to stop them from fricking muslimas

      [...]
      Janissaries weren't castrated, the people who were castrated were sex slaves or to-be bureaucrats.

      Lmao jannisarries were elites troops. These are some weird balkanoid delusionals. They even had their own special and exclusive religion which was some weird shia cult. Everyone else in the ottoman empire had to conform for hanafi sunnism

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I don't know if that justifies abducting them from their families or all of those who were castrated and/or raped...

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >all of those who were castrated
          They weren't castrated. If you're goi g to whine abkut something than at least don't lie about it. It's hard to take you seriously

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's Peruvian Mestizo mutt who got his welfare application rejected in Sweden and can't stop seething about it 24/7 what do you expect from him?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's Peruvian Mestizo mutt who got his welfare application rejected in Sweden and can't stop seething about it 24/7 what do you expect from him?

            I just pointed that out you moronic subhuman. Jesus Christ, I'm talking about the NON-JANISSARY slaves who were castrated. Frick off back to the Middle East or something.

            [...]
            Janissaries weren't castrated, the people who were castrated were sex slaves or to-be bureaucrats.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Black did you even read my reply? I know what they were, and how they fell from grace.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Search Balkangreuel by Gottfried Sieben and you'll know what was so bad about them

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing except they weren't white and Christian. Never forget that this a White world and you just live in it.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how about the massive depopulation, economic and technological stagnation and slavery?

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    According to modern standards?

    They practiced slavery.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >and they even attempted to helped the Irish
    this

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine naming your "empire" after a piece of furniture

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >impose heavy burden on local religions to the point of changing local customs (pork became more popular in greece and people turned towards the mountain to escape religious taxes and persecution)
    >kidnap and train kids to become your elite soldiers
    >let algerian and tunisian "protectorates" kidnap and resell thousand of christian slaves
    >prevent eastern europe from properly integrating Europe until the 20th century

    But if that wasn't bad enough, the ottoman empire was just in general not very interesting. It didn't try to convert the whole world to islam, it didn't have a unique and interesting ideology, it didn't progress the middle east, it was just an empire, a shitty one too.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They ruthlessly pillaged the lands they conquered, slaughtering the men, selling the women and children into slavery, and then ripped the wealth and sent back to the Sultan. Is that bad enough?

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