So what is the practical fruition of his philosophy, is the overman an unjust incompassionate tyrant? If not then what kind of man is he.
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So what is the practical fruition of his philosophy, is the overman an unjust incompassionate tyrant?
He was nothing. He was something a modern spirit dreamed up by trying very hard to make someone not like Christ but ended up very obviously very much like Christ. The overman negates the whole of Nietzsche’s preceding ramblings precisely because it’s so absurd and reveals that his whole project is a sort of a sham project.
That’s my sincere opinion.
I see, but he is this-worldly, obviously opposite to Cjrist
Christ was a human person as well as God so I’m failing to see the issue here. But besides, even an anti-Christ is Christ-like as a consequence of their relation. That’s really the absurdity of Nietzsche and his overman. “How do I overcome Christianity?” “I know, I’ll do all these things that are specifically informed by Christianity, whether for or against.” It doesn’t even make sense. A rebellion against Christ is less non-Christian and more anti-Christian. Thus, that sort of overman overcomes nothing. Even Leo Strauss pointed this out, that Nietzsche never escaped Christianity or a worldview that was necessarily Western Christian. So the whole thing amounts to nothing more than a delusional rebellion.
Where does leo strauss point this i wanna read it
It’s in an essay on existentialism, Heidegger, Nietzsche, etc. I cannot remember the name of the essay unfortunately. You can probably find it if you google around.
Dualism.
isn't the overman just a breed of human that transcended the need for meaning?
its fruits are buck broken christlarpers shitting up IQfy every time they see the word Nietzsche, there's another thread where some apologist is arguing Nietzsche is equivalent to DEI/HR department ideology despite his own religion being the grandmother of social egalitarianism and Nietzsche being a snobbish elitist who calls priests, democrats, and socialists chandala wranglers
The overman is Christ. Nietzsche's understanding of the overman just had rough edges.
>the overman is ackshually le good shepherd all along
lol
Christ was truly the Übermensch, He raised himself above all mankind through His grace.
>He raised himself above all mankind through His grace.
Or in plain English, he is literally God. And God is over-man, get it? This is such a stupid superficial gloss of the concept that you are advancing I don't even have to wonder if you've done the reading. Christer apologists not sending their best.
>t. never read nietzsche anywhere but Wikipedia
>what is [concept I’d learn if I spent 10 minutes reading the text]?
>anti-nietzsche gays filter into thread, completely misrepresent [concept] to OP and continue to do their routine anti-Nietzsche b***hing and moaning
many such cases
I think it has no defined practical purpose. It's just self-help bullshit, the ubermench is an ideal that encourages creation, destruction and repeating the cycle after synthesis. The ubermench will never exist because it is like a metaphor for improvement. Oh my science... a gay science
>overman is about cycles
Wow, amazing, something Nietzsche never said! Thanks for enlightening us since you’ve definitely read the material
No cycles, build values, destroy values, and unite them in the meantime. Or in other words, pic rel
The truth is, Nietzsche is the most misunderstood philosopher of all time, more than Kant and Hegel combined. No one has ever understood him. He did not even understand himself. He is the ultimate filter because no one can truly grasp what he meant. And the more you believe you understand him, the more you lie to yourself.
So true!
Nietzsche is the most misunderstood, incoherent, self-contradicting, pleb-filtering philosopher of all time.
He never wrote a single line of direct speech. Everything he said was coated in AT LEAST 3 to 55 layers of irony, post-irony, and even pre-irony. If someone ever says to you “Nietzsche said x,” you can rest assured they’re probably wrong, because it’s difficult to even prove that Nietzsche ever said anything.
That’s why the ONLY person you should trust is his best disciple, Walter Kauffman, who is intelligent enough to distill Nietzsche into some form that we mere untermensch may understand. If you don’t have access to a Kauffman translation, your next best chance at understanding Nietzsche is listening to an anon who clearly hates him, because the only people who TRULY understand Nietzsche are those who have never read him at all, since for every word of Nietzsche you read, you only heighten the chance that you misunderstand him.
NO ONE knows what Nietzsche meant. It’s impossible to know.
There’s nothing to understand. His “philosophy” was just his ramblings. It’s more like poetry than philosophy. That’s why Heidegger said metaphysics ended with Nietzsche. He did not even engage with metaphysics, which is to say, he did not do philosophy in the sense that we know philosophy. There’s nothing to understand because Nietzsche was not a philosopher.
So true!
Nietzsche is the most misunderstood, incoherent, self-contradicting, pleb-filtering philosopher of all time.
He never wrote a single line of direct speech. Everything he said was coated in AT LEAST 3 to 55 layers of irony, post-irony, and even pre-irony. If someone ever says to you “Nietzsche said x,” you can rest assured they’re probably wrong, because it’s difficult to even prove that Nietzsche ever said anything.
That’s why the ONLY person you should trust is his best disciple, Walter Kauffman, who is intelligent enough to distill Nietzsche into some form that we mere untermensch may understand. If you don’t have access to a Kauffman translation, your next best chance at understanding Nietzsche is listening to an anon who clearly hates him, because the only people who TRULY understand Nietzsche are those who have never read him at all, since for every word of Nietzsche you read, you only heighten the chance that you misunderstand him.
NO ONE knows what Nietzsche meant. It’s impossible to know.
Probably for the best, most of the metaphysics threads on here are populated by morons.
Embrace what you are.
this bed ridden idiot should haven given up his project when he saw how much of a shithead Wagner was.He tried to hinge it on his conversion but that's a bold face lie. There is not a single musical figure who was more destructive to the arts than that pompous silk-wearing tramp. shit is full of ambiguous, chromatic nonsense crafted to frick your neighbors wife. idc if he wad right about israelites, this dog should have been put down and not allowed to infect the arts with his autotheistic decadadent displays of babel portions.
Nietzsche conceived of the overman as "a Roman Caesar with the soul of Christ."