For those who can't bother to read the article, the central theme is that CS degrees shouldn't just be within engineering schools, but instead should incorporate humanities. The author seems to have gone to a university that offered two types of CS degrees, one which required a couple of semesters of a foreign language, and the other of which had... different requirements. I skimmed it, but I'm guessing it was more math classes. Basically, a BA vs BS in CS, and the author wants to see more BAs in CS because they might have some extra education in humanities and be less willing to do all the hyper fricked up shit that tech companies engage in.
The problem with this thinking is that all of the actual business decisions are not made by computer scientists. And the people who *do* the evil shit... usually have humanities education. They simply choose to either ignore it or use it to profit.
tbf in a perfect world all bachelor’s degrees would have a decent amount of humanities. Highly specializing for a bachelor’s is silly and it can be highly beneficial to learn stuff outside your field.
Oh course today humanities is just all homosexual shit.
Well, where I went for my bachelors, we had this shit called GURs. General University Requirements. Everyone needed a certain amount of humanities stuff, but you could pick and choose a bit, so I kinda supplemented my computer science degree with a bit of economics. It has done frick all for me, because I went on to work on a PhD (which I am close to finishing) that doesn't particularly concern itself with anything outside of CS, but it was a fun class nonetheless I guess.
>Oh course today humanities is just all homosexual shit.
This is the problem honestly, I like reading some philosophy or literature in my free time, but "humanities" courses are literally only about telling me how my existence as a straight white man is problematic.
Yes they do lmao. They've basically made a pseudoscience out of defining who is and isn't "okay" to disparage and, hilariously, it's given them a ton of common ground with neo nazis!
>For those who can't bother to read the article
It is behind a pay wall.
But enlighten us, oh intellectual who's above us plebs. >I skimmed it
STFU then.
>they might have some extra education in humanities and be less willing to do all the hyper fricked up shit that tech companies engage in.
That's a ridiculous logical jump tbh. The assumption that being educated in the humanities will make you a good person is absurd. How many serial killers and evil dictators had an appreciate for fine art and classical music? Probably more than 1.
The closest thing to "an education that ensures people won't be bad" is a RELIGIOUS education. And even that is flawed. Religious communities have high social cohesion not because of the "if you do bad thing god will punish" (though that plays a big role), religious communities have high social cohesion because of mutual trust and comradery between its members.
truth here, code monkeys on average are simply more intelligent and intelligent people are more curious and well rounded. Education plays little part. >whawhawha you can't say that
just did
Its not that humanities will make you a moral good person, but turn you into a well rounded person and not a productivity golem. College was meant to be a space for rich people to send their kids to become adults. Now its job training.
interesting. I went to the school where he was teaching when I was getting my degree, I was in the "B.A. CS degree" type program. It's called "B.S. Computational Media" and required only half the upper level CS classes that the regular CS degree required, with the other half being courses from the Communications degree they offered. I honestly don't think the extra humanities courses helped me at all post-college. They were great at padding my GPA though.
If humanities hadn’t gone to shit and degrees didn’t cost as much as a house this would make sense.
It does not make sense with the way American higher education currently works.
We have to get rid of the legal requirement to perpetually increase the (nominal) value of an investment of Ford vs Dodge Brothers, before anything like that could have any appreciable effect.
i got a ba in cs fairly recently and i'd say the humanities classes i had to take were basically useless and learning a foreign language is also mostly useless unless you have a specific reason to (ie, learning japanese to experience weebshit better)
the only useful class was a technical writing one i could have taken even if i was in the bs version of the major
MAKKUDONARUDO. NEED MORE NERDY CHUD WORKER AT MAKKU - YEAH Black person, DO COMPUTER SCIENE SHIT ON THE HAMBURGER COMPUTER, MOTHERFRICKER, AIN'T NO BODY GONNA REPLACE 'EM. OUR MAKKURUDONARUDO IS IN DEEP DESPAIR, IN NEED OF WORK.
Little IT nerds should have gone into Business and gotten a fake job where you work 2 hours a day and then read facebook for 6 hours.
Have fun crawling under the desk and smelling Chad's wiener as you fix his ethernet.
Sorry! HAHAHAHAHA
You sound mad because you got a big whiff of wiener under the desk.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. Let me know if I'm making you uncomfortable, I'll stop teasing you
1) "Business Management" have always had by far the most job availabilities, but also by far the most graduates. So I imagine that the actual job availability-to-graduate rate is much smaller than many of the other fields on that list.
2) "Business management" is a very generic degree field which doesn't teach many hard skills, it just prepares you for generic corporate work/being manager at a Denny's. It can't really be compared to the other fields since, once your career is established, you are moreso defined with your history with the company than your skills.
3) these jobs are way more highly sensitive to having good connections/going to a good school than other fields. A fortune 100 company would hire a Dev/IT guy/accountant from any podunk state school, meanwhile they would autofilter any business grad from the same schools.
4) almost all of those business jobs, except for the restaurant/store management positions, are MBA positions that require graduate work.
>We should force students who want to do useful things to take classes in our useless bombed out humanities (which they have to already)
Nope, saw it. Wrore papers about why my tiny white penis makes me so violent and genocidal, as instructed. There's nothing there, they killed it, they blew it up, STEM should actively disengage as much as possible without exception, it really is that simple, lets call a spade a spade
I'm glad I live in Germany, no moronic classes needed for my CS degree. The closest I got to a BA subject was a design class and even that is related to programming. I'm baffled that Americans have to take any courses that aren't programming or math, like languages or sociology classes.
Keep in mind that pic related was a humanities professor who tried to get a journalism student physically assaulted for covering part of protests that she didn't want them to see.
Learning a foreign language at university it utter moronic.
University education is super expensive.
I learned 3 foreign languages at "high school".
When you're young you pick up languages faster and school teachers are cheap.
If I wanted to learn more languages I would follow some online course or something, you don't need a professor telling you to memorize words.
If they're going to offer Bachelor of Arts degrees, shouldn't they call it something different than Computer Science? BA in Computer Artistry, Software Crafting or something like that.
ideally they will be employed doing some computer science such as reviewing code generated by whatever new means or perhaps even generating code by whatever means
they will make excellent drone operators and satellite imaging techs
>drone operators and satellite imaging techs
How much would that pay?
Almost enough to save for a house down payment in your 30s.
>pay
whatever standard enlisted pay is that year.
Why would AI not takeover those jobs
They should learn French right before LLMs replace all professional translators.
>They should learn to code right before LLMs replace all professional software developers
fixed that for you
Ha !
Je suis bilingue et parle déjà français !
Laissez tomber c'est déjà trop tard !
For those who can't bother to read the article, the central theme is that CS degrees shouldn't just be within engineering schools, but instead should incorporate humanities. The author seems to have gone to a university that offered two types of CS degrees, one which required a couple of semesters of a foreign language, and the other of which had... different requirements. I skimmed it, but I'm guessing it was more math classes. Basically, a BA vs BS in CS, and the author wants to see more BAs in CS because they might have some extra education in humanities and be less willing to do all the hyper fricked up shit that tech companies engage in.
The problem with this thinking is that all of the actual business decisions are not made by computer scientists. And the people who *do* the evil shit... usually have humanities education. They simply choose to either ignore it or use it to profit.
tbf in a perfect world all bachelor’s degrees would have a decent amount of humanities. Highly specializing for a bachelor’s is silly and it can be highly beneficial to learn stuff outside your field.
Oh course today humanities is just all homosexual shit.
Well, where I went for my bachelors, we had this shit called GURs. General University Requirements. Everyone needed a certain amount of humanities stuff, but you could pick and choose a bit, so I kinda supplemented my computer science degree with a bit of economics. It has done frick all for me, because I went on to work on a PhD (which I am close to finishing) that doesn't particularly concern itself with anything outside of CS, but it was a fun class nonetheless I guess.
economics is just applied statistics, causal inference is used a lot in economics and applicable to CS. So is game theory.
I’m going to report your post for being extremely low quality.
>Oh course today humanities is just all homosexual shit.
Form anon's summary, that's the point. Not enough brainwashing in cs.
Nah, that's just a waste of time.
>Oh course today humanities is just all homosexual shit.
This is the problem honestly, I like reading some philosophy or literature in my free time, but "humanities" courses are literally only about telling me how my existence as a straight white man is problematic.
the only people who can teach you to be "ethical" are your parents, university is too late for this.
why would anyone teach their children to be ethical if that's a competitive disadvantage? Anything besides muh moral high ground loser cope?
Humanities are what taught me to hate others and that ethics are flexible when the goals of activism are involved.
Humanities teach no such thing. Stop pushing your uninformed alt-right Nazi views.
It's not the 1950s anymore and no amount of gaslighting is going to make people unsee what they have seen.
>our hate is love
>your love is hate
>also israelites must die
Humanities were a mistake
Yes they do lmao. They've basically made a pseudoscience out of defining who is and isn't "okay" to disparage and, hilariously, it's given them a ton of common ground with neo nazis!
>For those who can't bother to read the article
It is behind a pay wall.
But enlighten us, oh intellectual who's above us plebs.
>I skimmed it
STFU then.
>It is behind a pay wall
Put archive.is/ right in front of the URL. Try again.
What URL?
>they might have some extra education in humanities and be less willing to do all the hyper fricked up shit that tech companies engage in.
That's a ridiculous logical jump tbh. The assumption that being educated in the humanities will make you a good person is absurd. How many serial killers and evil dictators had an appreciate for fine art and classical music? Probably more than 1.
The closest thing to "an education that ensures people won't be bad" is a RELIGIOUS education. And even that is flawed. Religious communities have high social cohesion not because of the "if you do bad thing god will punish" (though that plays a big role), religious communities have high social cohesion because of mutual trust and comradery between its members.
truth here, code monkeys on average are simply more intelligent and intelligent people are more curious and well rounded. Education plays little part.
>whawhawha you can't say that
just did
Its not that humanities will make you a moral good person, but turn you into a well rounded person and not a productivity golem. College was meant to be a space for rich people to send their kids to become adults. Now its job training.
interesting. I went to the school where he was teaching when I was getting my degree, I was in the "B.A. CS degree" type program. It's called "B.S. Computational Media" and required only half the upper level CS classes that the regular CS degree required, with the other half being courses from the Communications degree they offered. I honestly don't think the extra humanities courses helped me at all post-college. They were great at padding my GPA though.
If humanities hadn’t gone to shit and degrees didn’t cost as much as a house this would make sense.
It does not make sense with the way American higher education currently works.
We have to get rid of the legal requirement to perpetually increase the (nominal) value of an investment of Ford vs Dodge Brothers, before anything like that could have any appreciable effect.
i got a ba in cs fairly recently and i'd say the humanities classes i had to take were basically useless and learning a foreign language is also mostly useless unless you have a specific reason to (ie, learning japanese to experience weebshit better)
the only useful class was a technical writing one i could have taken even if i was in the bs version of the major
also, the ba classes were pozzed beyond belief
MAKKUDONARUDO. NEED MORE NERDY CHUD WORKER AT MAKKU - YEAH Black person, DO COMPUTER SCIENE SHIT ON THE HAMBURGER COMPUTER, MOTHERFRICKER, AIN'T NO BODY GONNA REPLACE 'EM. OUR MAKKURUDONARUDO IS IN DEEP DESPAIR, IN NEED OF WORK.
Little IT nerds should have gone into Business and gotten a fake job where you work 2 hours a day and then read facebook for 6 hours.
Have fun crawling under the desk and smelling Chad's wiener as you fix his ethernet.
Sorry! HAHAHAHAHA
dumbass, you're next after hr is finished getting fricked by ai shit.
You sound mad because you got a big whiff of wiener under the desk.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. Let me know if I'm making you uncomfortable, I'll stop teasing you
Why is CS lumped in with IT, but Software Development is separate?!
It's all the same Anon. Different points on a spectrum of computer work.
>read facebook for 6 hours
That sounds even worse than writing Enterprise Java.
1) "Business Management" have always had by far the most job availabilities, but also by far the most graduates. So I imagine that the actual job availability-to-graduate rate is much smaller than many of the other fields on that list.
2) "Business management" is a very generic degree field which doesn't teach many hard skills, it just prepares you for generic corporate work/being manager at a Denny's. It can't really be compared to the other fields since, once your career is established, you are moreso defined with your history with the company than your skills.
3) these jobs are way more highly sensitive to having good connections/going to a good school than other fields. A fortune 100 company would hire a Dev/IT guy/accountant from any podunk state school, meanwhile they would autofilter any business grad from the same schools.
4) almost all of those business jobs, except for the restaurant/store management positions, are MBA positions that require graduate work.
TOTAL CS GRAD DEATH
>We should force students who want to do useful things to take classes in our useless bombed out humanities (which they have to already)
Nope, saw it. Wrore papers about why my tiny white penis makes me so violent and genocidal, as instructed. There's nothing there, they killed it, they blew it up, STEM should actively disengage as much as possible without exception, it really is that simple, lets call a spade a spade
I'm glad I live in Germany, no moronic classes needed for my CS degree. The closest I got to a BA subject was a design class and even that is related to programming. I'm baffled that Americans have to take any courses that aren't programming or math, like languages or sociology classes.
Keep in mind that pic related was a humanities professor who tried to get a journalism student physically assaulted for covering part of protests that she didn't want them to see.
Learning a foreign language at university it utter moronic.
University education is super expensive.
I learned 3 foreign languages at "high school".
When you're young you pick up languages faster and school teachers are cheap.
If I wanted to learn more languages I would follow some online course or something, you don't need a professor telling you to memorize words.
Only nepobabies gets to work in their initial field all of their life.
Those youngsters will have to take odd jobs, like everyone else.
If they're going to offer Bachelor of Arts degrees, shouldn't they call it something different than Computer Science? BA in Computer Artistry, Software Crafting or something like that.
McDonald's doesn't want slow autistic people who will argue with everyone in the store
They won’t be getting a job. CS employment goes to street shitters these days.
>worrying about compsci grads
could never be me
so when are we nuking France into the stone age
ideally they will be employed doing some computer science such as reviewing code generated by whatever new means or perhaps even generating code by whatever means